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RIAA allegedly seeking piracy tax on internet access

Written by Rich Fiscus (Google+) @ 14 Jun 2008 3:56 User comments (30)

RIAA allegedly seeking piracy tax on internet access The folks at the Digital Freedom website are hearing whispers of a new tax some RIAA lobbyists are trying to get enacted which would be applied to every internet account in the US. The so-called Piracy Tax would be used to "compensate" record labels for internet piracy.
Although this report doesn't conclusively show that the RIAA is actually working on such a proposal, they clearly started laying the groundwork for something along the same lines earlier this year.

Leaving aside the obvious issue of being innocent until proven guilty, and the fact that even the RIAA doesn't claim everyone in the US with an internet connection is using it to infringe on their copyrights, there's still the issue of calling this a tax. Last time I checked being ordered to pay money for breaking the law was called a fine, not a tax.

And then there's the issue of what rights would go along with it. If the RIAA gets to start charging what amounts to royalties on each internet account they're likely to find that people expect to get something for their money. After all royalties are for licensing content. Logically if you're paying royalties, albeit government mandated and collected royalties, that should entitle you to some copyrighted content.

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114.6.2008 4:04

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Logically if you're paying royalties, albeit government mandated and collected royalties, that should entitle you to some copyrighted content.

No one EVER accused the mafiaa of being logical!

As for the "tax" unless this is passed quietly watch how fast the general public gets up in arms over it.

214.6.2008 4:50

This is just another case of the media mafia at work. Even if this came to light it would have zero effect on the amount of lawsuits for downloading music.

In fact, I could see an increase happening if such a monthly fine was added to my internet bill, in exchange for a small monthly fine I get to download all the copyrighted music I want. This sounds fair to me other than that is not how this would work.

Instead they would still sue people while attempting to line their pockets and use this to make up for the paycut due to a dying business model.

314.6.2008 7:35
tripplite
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what corporate piggies.......this is just a testimony to their ability be fat little piggies!!!!!!

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414.6.2008 8:33

What in the hell is going on folks. These companies are out of order, well out of order!!! Its like the tax on blank media, how did they get away with it. Times are changin and its for the worst at this moment in time. What can we do folks? In fact what will we do? How can we convince the general public that this is all wrong, and what paper/tv station is gonna help put the true message accross. The message being " we are all being ripped off and we're not gonna stand for it"
This is truelly sad, very sad indeed.
Pink floyd said "welcome to the machine" and that was many years ago. Looks like they were right all along.

Edit: Maybe we can say " Welcome to the dark-nets "

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514.6.2008 9:49

Honestly if it would make the whole industry shut up and drop all their court cases etc. I'd pay an extra 5-10 bucks a month.

614.6.2008 11:16

^ I don't think it would make a difference. I don't think it would shut them up.

They're really just groping for any kind of money they can squeeze from any kind of excuse they can formulate.

714.6.2008 11:22

canuckerz: that is exactly what they are wanting you to think, so that's one person the RIAA's won over.

Can't you see this is essentially them wanting to sue (i.e. get money from) EVERYONE who uses the internet, regardless of whether they even "pirate" or not? This is the latest example of how they're criminalizing the WHOLE of society, sounds scary at first but I laugh because actually, almost everyone does pirate now and it will only increase, making their claims look increasingly absurd, desperate and embarrassing.

Pirate tax, can you believe it? Reminds me of Robin Hood - classic example of pure greed. RIAA's record executives are used to roping in millions of dollars in revenues, living lives of opulence from nothing but the hard work of the artists represented under them, and now technology has changed and made them obsolete. Go on, have a cry. Such an outrageous proposal, if true, will not be accepted by Society, I'm afraid.

814.6.2008 11:27

I like the eida of a net tax for media but only if fair use is made as so you can copy and share anything with in acouple years, freedoms can be balanced with a tax but until they understand that consumer IP/CP infrengment is not a crime things will never end.

914.6.2008 11:40

in some ways i woulod tend to agree with canuckerz, in the fact that i wouldnt mind paying them $5 a month extra if it shut them up but only if it also allowed me to download whatever the hell i wanted withought having to go to court which is very unlikely. all the pirate tax will go on is funding more lawsuits.

lets say for a second they implement a pirate tax and all the lawsuits and fines stop, everyone with an internet connection would start downloading their tunes for free which would then mean the riaa would want more tax.

if this ever goes through then they have won. if everything stays the same (lawsuits and fines) then the people not dopwnloading music illegally would be paying for all those that are downloading and at the same time nobody would be getting anything in return for their taxes, think about every other tax you pay, local taxes provide you with things like a police and fire service, road taxes give you a road to drive on, school taxes allow your children to go to school (kinda unfair on those without kids but oh well education is more important than music). basically if they dont stop all the fines then we are paying a tax without any public gains, if they do stop all the fines then everyone will use the service and the riaa will demand more and more and more until we are all at a point where we are paying them more in taxes per month than we ever would spend on music.

and one last thing, what about deaf people? surely they shouldnt be made to pay a pirate tax on their internet connection.

1014.6.2008 11:47

Perhaps if this tax is enacted, the RIAA will stop suing everybody.

1114.6.2008 11:50

Originally posted by canuckerz:
Honestly if it would make the whole industry shut up and drop all their court cases etc. I'd pay an extra 5-10 bucks a month.
I agree but i don't think thats going to stop them.But it would be nice & i would be for it to shut them the hell up.

1214.6.2008 11:54

The media mafia will have to learn to share and not sweat over every little thing and that will never happen...

1314.6.2008 12:00

Originally posted by NexGen76:
Originally posted by canuckerz:
Honestly if it would make the whole industry shut up and drop all their court cases etc. I'd pay an extra 5-10 bucks a month.
I agree but i don't think thats going to stop them.But it would be nice & i would be for it to shut them the hell up.
It would be nice. I don't see it happening. A group like that is always on the prowl for anything that could line their pockets.


1414.6.2008 12:38
fgamer
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Quote:
Originally posted by canuckerz:
Honestly if it would make the whole industry shut up and drop all their court cases etc. I'd pay an extra 5-10 bucks a month.
I agree but i don't think thats going to stop them.But it would be nice & i would be for it to shut them the hell up.
What in the hell makes you think people are actually gonna accept paying 5-10 bucks more a month for internet when some of us like me already pay $57 a month. I highly doubt a large tax like that would be implemented. Maybe something like .80 or $1.00. And I really don't see this being able to pass anyways, if the RIAA gets to have a tax on their behalf the Microsoft should be able to have a tax for all the computer owners out there due to there Operating System being pirated. It just sets up the table for other companies alike to introduce their own tax for passing...so I HIGHLY doubt this so- called "tax" will even see the light of day!

1514.6.2008 13:28
atomicxl
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Well, I don't mind this if it means that music p2p is now a legal thing.

1614.6.2008 13:32
tripplite
Inactive

they'll never legalize it:P



1714.6.2008 16:00

If downloads became legal, apple would lose a number of customers. Example- Why pay to download .99 cent tracks when its already payed for with the tax. Ten bucks a month to me is a lot of money for the music that I dont listen to, but the 1-2 bucks would be ok.

1814.6.2008 16:08

Originally posted by sssharp:
If downloads became legal, apple would lose a number of customers. Example- Why pay to download .99 cent tracks when its already payed for with the tax. Ten bucks a month to me is a lot of money for the music that I dont listen to, but the 1-2 bucks would be ok.
Not really, for profit ventures will have to wise up stop the price fixing and offer not only better qaulity but a border range of music grenes, because they will have to compete with non profits for they will have to shape the fck up or get out of the business.


Media should not be over protected but have a clear 20-50 month lead time to make a profit off the newest vesion of the product they are selling leaving lower bite rates,older versions and unpublished stuff free to share and trade.

1914.6.2008 23:43

where would it end then...every corporation put a new tax on there product and calling everyone thieves...*bleep* them whoever supports that.

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2015.6.2008 6:59

tecbot - let's keep the foul language off the forums in future.

2115.6.2008 13:38

The RIAA needs to pay a fee to each and every internet service account holder. Call it a Whining Tax. If we have to listen to their constant crying and moaning, we should get paid for it.

2215.6.2008 16:15

Originally posted by ivymike:
Perhaps if this tax is enacted, the RIAA will stop suing everybody.

Not a chance. Even if a tax was passed, the riaa would still sue everyone (they think double,triple dipping is rightous)

"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition


2315.6.2008 23:04

Originally posted by iluvendo:
Originally posted by ivymike:
Perhaps if this tax is enacted, the RIAA will stop suing everybody.

Not a chance. Even if a tax was passed, the riaa would still sue everyone (they think double,triple dipping is rightous)
Exactly. Let's face it, if that can dip in consumer's pockets and still dig for infringement and possibly take money there as well, why not? It's just one more way to line pockets, and not ours.


2416.6.2008 12:40

They need to first of all stop calling it piracy. Call the tax an "internet sharing tax." Because then people can't complain about being taxed since they are not "pirates." Call it a sharing tax or a p2p tax and you are telling people that they are being taxed for the right to share freely. I'll pay $5/month. But that should enable me to download whatever I want from the internet.

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2516.6.2008 13:30

It's a done deal.
The RIAA/MPAA and the trial lawyers are closely aligned with the Democrats, so expect this to go into effect in early 2009.

As for appeasing the industry Mafia by giving them this tax, that is ridiculous, based on all available evidence. Give them an inch and they'll take the whole map.

2616.6.2008 13:41
lynchGOP
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The RIAA should be dismantled, and shut down, both morally, ethically, and righteously.......................PERIOD!!

2716.6.2008 23:43

Quote:
It's a done deal.
The RIAA/MPAA and the trial lawyers are closely aligned with the Democrats, so expect this to go into effect in early 2009.
Sources for this statement?


2816.6.2008 23:47

Originally posted by 7thsinger:
Quote:
It's a done deal.
The RIAA/MPAA and the trial lawyers are closely aligned with the Democrats, so expect this to go into effect in early 2009.
Sources for this statement?
Makes some sense lawyers want to sue everything not "PC" enough and the republicans want to maintain the status quo of low borne anal probing....

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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2916.6.2008 23:48

Sure it makes some sense.

I'm just ever curious. :)



3016.6.2008 23:51

Originally posted by 7thsinger:
Sure it makes some sense.

I'm just ever curious. :)
:P

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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