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Crytek CEO speaks out about PC game piracy, again

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 30 Jun 2008 16:49 User comments (44)

Crytek CEO speaks out about PC game piracy, again Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli is in the news again for talking about how PC game piracy has affected his company and sales of its blockbuster hit Crysis. Last month, Yerli said the company would no longer be PC exclusive because of piracy and would bring future titles to multiple platforms.
In this most recent interview, Yerli was asked what he felt were the reasons behind Crysis' "lacluster" sales and he responded with putting most of the blame on PC piracy.

"The PC industry is really, at the moment, I would say the most intensely pirated market ever. It's crazy how the ratio between sales to piracy is probably 1 to 15 to 1 to 20 right now,"
Yerli said.

"For one sale there are 15 to 20 pirates and pirate versions, and that's a big shame for the PC industry. I hope with Warhead I hope we improve the situation, but at the same time it may have an impact on [our] PC exclusivity in the future."

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130.6.2008 17:31

Piracy has been around since the 80s and ain't going anywhere soon. This chap is just making bull$hit excuses for his game that didn't sell bc of its lackluster cpu performance, bad writing, lack of artistic direction, and..well, general half-assedness all throughout the game.

Once you get past the first 20 minutes of eye candy..the rest is like chinese water torture. A big fat "EH.."

230.6.2008 17:32

Or it could be that Crysis had massive system requirements, and even though it was an awesome game, people weren't prepared to upgrade their computers for it.

I'll be buying starcraft 2 and diablo 3 when they come out and buying a new computer. no piracy there.

People probably pirated crysis to see if they could run it first and found they couldn't

330.6.2008 17:37

ha ha m'fn ha. My friend bought this game, it looked good but I figured I'd let him buy it, test it then if it looked good I would get it. Well, his exact words, "Most ever rated game I've ever gotten. And if it wasn't for the no return policy I woulda taken this game back the next day." Whats even worse, I told him tahnks for wasting your money and not mine, and told him watch, somebody will blame pirates somehow just wait.
wow think I'll change my name to Nosta...dumbass

430.6.2008 17:41
lynchGOP
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Originally posted by windsong:
Piracy has been around since the 80s and ain't going anywhere soon. This chap is just making bull$hit excuses for his game that didn't sell bc of its lackluster cpu performance, bad writing, lack of artistic direction, and..well, general half-assedness all throughout the game.

Once you get past the first 20 minutes of eye candy..the rest is like chinese water torture. A big fat "EH.."

Are you saying that the game Crysis was badly written, lacked artistic direction and was half-assed?? ARE YOU HONESTLY SAYING THAT?? I hope not because that would make you one of the juveniles out there that rag on games that are being pirated and putting shameless, nonsense blame on the fact that "a game is terrible so therefore, I'm going to steal it."

That game was AWESOME. Well written, great story line, great graphics, UNGLITCHED, fun, straight-to-the-point and next to near flawless in terms of games. Now................that's only my opinion, but as far as 1st person shooters are concerned, that epitomized them.

This is NOT my opinion, graphics were fantastic and the game ran flawlessly. Not one crash, glitch, artifact, or any problems what-so-ever. If you did experience issues..............GET A NEW SYSTEM SHMO.

How could ALL THOSE REVIEWS AND PLAYERS BE SO WRONG? Many stated that the only problem with the game is that is 'ended'.

If I misread your point of view then my bad.............if not then what is the "perfect game" or a "worthy game" of your money? 2 examples please.

530.6.2008 17:44
lynchGOP
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Originally posted by lawndog:
ha ha m'fn ha. My friend bought this game, it looked good but I figured I'd let him buy it, test it then if it looked good I would get it. Well, his exact words, "Most ever rated game I've ever gotten. And if it wasn't for the no return policy I woulda taken this game back the next day." Whats even worse, I told him tahnks for wasting your money and not mine, and told him watch, somebody will blame pirates somehow just wait.
wow think I'll change my name to Nosta...dumbass
You too lawndog.............what game is worthy of your hard-earned dollar? 2 examples please in the 1st person shooter category. My guess is NO GAME is worthy of your money. Must be rough to have such high standards that they can never be lived up to.

But please..........hopefully you'll never let anyone stop you from making up lame excuses to justify the constant and rampant stealing of software. We people with integrity that actually contribute to society call you people "leeches". Just because you have the ability and knowledge to 'take' something free and clear, doesn't mean you always should.
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630.6.2008 17:58

Why don't they do something about it,and stop the complaining?
BitDefender's got a pretty good thing going,where BitDefender has to connect tom a server to validate,ultimately putting everything from cracking to keygening out of the question.
Steam punishes pirates,not by suing them,but by locking them out of the steam system.A Steam game is not fun without updates and online play,so there's incentive.

I've always been confused by the bitter approach companies take to their consumers.Pirating is a freedom and a right,and they should prevent it instead of using their "iron fist" lawsuit methods.How hard can it be to make server-confirm required keys?

730.6.2008 17:59

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"The PC industry is really, at the moment, I would say the most intensely pirated market ever. It's crazy how the ratio between sales to piracy is probably 1 to 15 to 1 to 20 right now," Yerli said.
Cry me a river

This guy is pulling numbers out of thin air trying to make up excuses as to why they're going to abandon "pc exclusivity". They're probably going to try and tap into the console market which seems to be much more lucrative atm. The whole piracy thing will then be handled by MS and sony. Sounds like an easy way to dumb down games, sell out, and cash in.

As someone previously stated most of the pirated versions were probably used to see how well the game performed on certain pc's if at all.

I've never played crysis seeing as how my pc doesn't run on dark matter, but judging from various reviews Iíve seen the game is pretty but extremely buggy and unrefined.

830.6.2008 18:12
lynchGOP
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"The PC industry is really, at the moment, I would say the most intensely pirated market ever. It's crazy how the ratio between sales to piracy is probably 1 to 15 to 1 to 20 right now," Yerli said.
Cry me a river

This guy is pulling numbers out of thin air trying to make up excuses as to why they're going to abandon "pc exclusivity". They're probably going to try and tap into the console market which seems to be much more lucrative atm. The whole piracy thing will then be handled by MS and sony. Sounds like an easy way to dumb down games, sell out, and cash in.

As someone previously stated most of the pirated versions were probably used to see how well the game performed on certain pc's if at all.

I've never played crysis seeing as how my pc doesn't run on dark matter, but judging from various reviews Iíve seen the game is pretty but extremely buggy and unrefined.
Just completed it............I assure you.............FLAWLESS IN EVERY WAY.

Those having problems have crappy systems or are modding it.

FLAWLESS!!
My system:
{Intel Q6600, 4GB DDR 2 800Mhz OCZ RAM, ATI X1950 Pro, 1.5TB HDD, Intel 975BX2 Extreme series MB, 550W Antec True Power, Samsung SATA DVDRW DL disk drive, Sony DL disc drive. XP Pro}

I am however, an expert with networking, design, PC building and construction, and OS maintenance. So, although my methods to maintaining and fixing a computer SHOULD BE the standard, it's not and therefore a likely cause to these people's Crysis "issues"
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930.6.2008 18:17

call of duty was very enjoyable for me, and the delta force series was good,socom yet anouther, unreal tournament has been so so, so far.
And when I said get it, I did mean buy it. Don't try to catagorise everybody as a pirate. Or a blood sucking parasite as "people with integrity that actually contribute to society" like to call pirates.
Sorry since the mass corporations have been turning out games one after the other I never run to the stores and pay full price for a game anymore. I'll let a friend buy it and test run it first.

Now I know their not the same critics, but critics none the less gave praises to a movie like "Open Water" have you seen that load of junk?? That was the last time I ever listened to a critic of any source. My critic was a friend that has the same taste in games as I do. And gamer reviews are mostly people that have played the game and wanna brag about it. The ones that don't like it will very rarly take the time to write a bad review, their to bust taking the game to the store to sell it back to gamestop to get a different one.

I do kinda find your name funny though
Lynch = To inflict punishment upon, especially death, without the forms of law, as when a mob captures and hangs a suspected person.

edit below

Funny commercial just went off regarding the stat part,..."90% of stats are made up........50% of the time" kinda like 1 outta 15 or 1 out of 20

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1030.6.2008 18:24
lynchGOP
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Originally posted by lawndog:
call of duty was very enjoyable for me, and the delta force series was good,socom yet anouther, unreal tournament has been so so, so far.
And when I said get it, I did mean buy it. Don't try to catagorise everybody as a pirate. Or a blood sucking parasite as "people with integrity that actually contribute to society" like to call pirates.
Sorry since the mass corporations have been turning out games one after the other I never run to the stores and pay full price for a game anymore. I'll let a friend buy it and test run it first.

Now I know their not the same critics, but critics none the less gave praises to a movie like "Open Water" have you seen that load of junk?? That was the last time I ever listened to a critic of any source. My critic was a friend that has the same taste in games as I do. And gamer reviews are mostly people that have played the game and wanna brag about it. The ones that don't like it will very rarly take the time to write a bad review, their to bust taking the game to the store to sell it back to gamestop to get a different one.

I do kinda find your name funny though
Lynch = To inflict punishment upon, especially death, without the forms of law, as when a mob captures and hangs a suspected person.
Statement retracted. My bad and I stand corrected. You be cool.

lynchGOP = lynch the Grand Ole Party (politicians). They could only be so fortunate to have such a smooth exit out of life.

Open Water depicted a very real scenario that 2 people actually went through. Don't know how anyone couldn't appreciate that movie knowing the horror that 2 innocents went through because of a head-up-their-ass boat captain. It was frighteningly and eerily real. Freud's theory "Suspense of disbelief" is necessary though. Once I read on the theory, I looked at movies, games, stories in a whole new light. Read on it and you may too.
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1130.6.2008 18:27

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"The PC industry is really, at the moment, I would say the most intensely pirated market ever. It's crazy how the ratio between sales to piracy is probably 1 to 15 to 1 to 20 right now," Yerli said.
Cry me a river

This guy is pulling numbers out of thin air trying to make up excuses as to why they're going to abandon "pc exclusivity". They're probably going to try and tap into the console market which seems to be much more lucrative atm. The whole piracy thing will then be handled by MS and sony. Sounds like an easy way to dumb down games, sell out, and cash in.

As someone previously stated most of the pirated versions were probably used to see how well the game performed on certain pc's if at all.

I've never played crysis seeing as how my pc doesn't run on dark matter, but judging from various reviews Iíve seen the game is pretty but extremely buggy and unrefined.
Just completed it............I assure you.............FLAWLESS IN EVERY WAY.

Those having problems have crappy systems or are modding it.

FLAWLESS!!
My system:
{Intel Q6600, 4GB DDR 2 800Mhz OCZ RAM, ATI X1950 Pro, 1.5TB HDD, Intel 975BX2 Extreme series MB, 550W Antec True Power, Samsung SATA DVDRW DL disk drive, Sony DL disc drive. XP Pro}

I am however, an expert with networking, design, PC building and construction, and OS maintenance. So, although my methods to maintaining and fixing a computer SHOULD BE the standard, it's not and therefore a likely cause to these people's Crysis "issues"
The high system requirements are defiantly something that causes "bugs" and not everyone wants to buy a new system just to get the extra blades of grass or high quality clouds.I'm not going to pay $60 for a game that might not work the way I want it too,so If it doesn't run on my 502MB processor and my 5-year-old graphics card,then I don't want it,because I'm hardly going to spend $4,000 on a specialized AlienWare laptop gaming computer.
Hitman works just fine on my computer,and I don't care that the front lawn looks like a shag carpet...I buy games so I can play the plot.

If I can't be assured that this game will work on an Acer,then why would I waste money on it?

Your solution is to buy another computer so I can play this game....which is stupid for those who don't live on the hills.

1230.6.2008 18:32
lynchGOP
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"The PC industry is really, at the moment, I would say the most intensely pirated market ever. It's crazy how the ratio between sales to piracy is probably 1 to 15 to 1 to 20 right now," Yerli said.
Cry me a river

This guy is pulling numbers out of thin air trying to make up excuses as to why they're going to abandon "pc exclusivity". They're probably going to try and tap into the console market which seems to be much more lucrative atm. The whole piracy thing will then be handled by MS and sony. Sounds like an easy way to dumb down games, sell out, and cash in.

As someone previously stated most of the pirated versions were probably used to see how well the game performed on certain pc's if at all.

I've never played crysis seeing as how my pc doesn't run on dark matter, but judging from various reviews Iíve seen the game is pretty but extremely buggy and unrefined.
Just completed it............I assure you.............FLAWLESS IN EVERY WAY.

Those having problems have crappy systems or are modding it.

FLAWLESS!!
My system:
{Intel Q6600, 4GB DDR 2 800Mhz OCZ RAM, ATI X1950 Pro, 1.5TB HDD, Intel 975BX2 Extreme series MB, 550W Antec True Power, Samsung SATA DVDRW DL disk drive, Sony DL disc drive. XP Pro}

I am however, an expert with networking, design, PC building and construction, and OS maintenance. So, although my methods to maintaining and fixing a computer SHOULD BE the standard, it's not and therefore a likely cause to these people's Crysis "issues"
The high system requirements are defiantly something that causes "bugs" and not everyone wants to buy a new system just to get the extra blades of grass or high quality clouds.I'm not going to pay $60 for a game that might not work the way I want it too,so If it doesn't run on my 502MB processor and my 5-year-old graphics card,then I don't want it,because I'm hardly going to spend $4,000 on a specialized AlienWare laptop gaming computer.
Hitman works just fine on my computer,and I don't care that the front lawn looks like a shag carpet...I buy games so I can play the plot.

If I can't be assured that this game will work on an Acer,then why would I waste money on it?

Your solution is to buy another computer so I can play this game....which is stupid for those who don't live on the hills.
Agreed..........statement I made was based on the simple notion that Crysis ran perfect AND looked great on low settings. My system dragged to a 1/2 frame per second with ANY antialiasing on to name just one setting.

I upgraded ALL the components I listed for less than a grand. About 900 to be exact.

1330.6.2008 18:33

Thank you lynch...... was hoping to get a lil heated arguement. Oh well..lol.
I just hate how pirates are blamed for everything. When ever a sale of game, CD, DVD or movie comes out, it's always the "pirates" fault. Not the fact that the premise of the game or movie was exactly the same as the game before it. Or movies are just remakes of ones years ago, or the same story lines as the movie 2 months before. Games and movies are supposed to entertain us. And in my opinion they aren't anymore. Wheres the suspense, mystery and drama?

1430.6.2008 19:24

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Originally posted by windsong:
Piracy has been around since the 80s and ain't going anywhere soon. This chap is just making bull$hit excuses for his game that didn't sell bc of its lackluster cpu performance, bad writing, lack of artistic direction, and..well, general half-assedness all throughout the game.

Once you get past the first 20 minutes of eye candy..the rest is like chinese water torture. A big fat "EH.."

Are you saying that the game Crysis was badly written, lacked artistic direction and was half-assed??
You're damn right I'm saying it. The whole game was nothing but a generic, copy/paste version of run and gun FPS from..oh I dunno..the days of DOOM and Quake I? The entire game was nothing but a tech demo for top of the line cards. Run here, shoot this to obtain X objective, with no creative vision to the game at all. Maybe these asshats at Crytek ought to hire some professional writers who KNOW what character development truly entails, and how you can't just rely on "Shiney Grafix" to build a great reputation as a game developer (like say, Blizzard, Bioware, etc..now those guys know what makes a killer title).

Crytek wants to go to consoles? Fine..let them. Then us PC gamers who have been around for awhile will rid ourselves of galactically brain-dead devs who are into excuse making for their $hitty products. The actual gameplay was dumbed down anyways..I'm sure it will fit right in with the console crowd. Good riddence to them.

1530.6.2008 19:51

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"The PC industry is really, at the moment, I would say the most intensely pirated market ever. It's crazy how the ratio between sales to piracy is probably 1 to 15 to 1 to 20 right now," Yerli said.
Cry me a river

This guy is pulling numbers out of thin air trying to make up excuses as to why they're going to abandon "pc exclusivity". They're probably going to try and tap into the console market which seems to be much more lucrative atm. The whole piracy thing will then be handled by MS and sony. Sounds like an easy way to dumb down games, sell out, and cash in.

As someone previously stated most of the pirated versions were probably used to see how well the game performed on certain pc's if at all.

I've never played crysis seeing as how my pc doesn't run on dark matter, but judging from various reviews Iíve seen the game is pretty but extremely buggy and unrefined.
Just completed it............I assure you.............FLAWLESS IN EVERY WAY.

Those having problems have crappy systems or are modding it.

FLAWLESS!!
My system:
{Intel Q6600, 4GB DDR 2 800Mhz OCZ RAM, ATI X1950 Pro, 1.5TB HDD, Intel 975BX2 Extreme series MB, 550W Antec True Power, Samsung SATA DVDRW DL disk drive, Sony DL disc drive. XP Pro}

I am however, an expert with networking, design, PC building and construction, and OS maintenance. So, although my methods to maintaining and fixing a computer SHOULD BE the standard, it's not and therefore a likely cause to these people's Crysis "issues"
i'm guessing you're only playing at 800x600, maybe even 1024x768. that doesnt't cut it. people want to max out the resolution and get all eye candy and decent framerates. what good is the game if you can't max out the screen reolution.

i can run the demo on this 64x2 4600 vista prebuilt gateway, with a HD3870, 2gigs of ram, and a 19" LG monitor. all settings are at very high except shaders which is only high, and 2xAA. maxed the resolution to 1440x900, and it's pulling 15-20fps. it will dip to single digit fps when there's lots of action.

crysis is just a gpu benchmark.
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1630.6.2008 20:47
varnull
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NB>> free benchmarking programs are available::

1730.6.2008 21:28

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Originally posted by windsong:
Piracy has been around since the 80s and ain't going anywhere soon. This chap is just making bull$hit excuses for his game that didn't sell bc of its lackluster cpu performance, bad writing, lack of artistic direction, and..well, general half-assedness all throughout the game.

Once you get past the first 20 minutes of eye candy..the rest is like chinese water torture. A big fat "EH.."

Are you saying that the game Crysis was badly written, lacked artistic direction and was half-assed?? ARE YOU HONESTLY SAYING THAT?? I hope not because that would make you one of the juveniles out there that rag on games that are being pirated and putting shameless, nonsense blame on the fact that "a game is terrible so therefore, I'm going to steal it."

That game was AWESOME. Well written, great story line, great graphics, UNGLITCHED, fun, straight-to-the-point and next to near flawless in terms of games. Now................that's only my opinion, but as far as 1st person shooters are concerned, that epitomized them.

This is NOT my opinion, graphics were fantastic and the game ran flawlessly. Not one crash, glitch, artifact, or any problems what-so-ever. If you did experience issues..............GET A NEW SYSTEM SHMO.

How could ALL THOSE REVIEWS AND PLAYERS BE SO WRONG? Many stated that the only problem with the game is that is 'ended'.

If I misread your point of view then my bad.............if not then what is the "perfect game" or a "worthy game" of your money? 2 examples please.

Yea and needed Quad cores and 8800GTX's in SLI to run at max!

181.7.2008 2:27

I believe the problem with Crysis is that it was poorly optimized. If you don't believe me look at the system requirements.

They are pretty low:
A single-core Athlon 3000+/ Intel 2.8Ghz processor
A nVidia 6600 or similar graphic card
768MB RAM/1GB on Vista

Recommended is a dual-core processor (X2 or Pentium D!)
7800GTX/ATI X1800XT
1.5GB RAM/2GB on Vista

Most games run decently (i.e. 1280x768 all-Medium settings) on even just past "Minimum" equipment.

However, even on a T7300 Core 2 Duo (2x 2GHz) 2GB RAM and a 256MB 8600M GT (yeah its not great but its decent!) in XP Pro I would get an average of ~20FPS with single digit areas a commonplace.

Others who have really nice desktops can attest to this too. I believe the game could do worlds better (both in sales and performance) if it was optimized better.

191.7.2008 3:11

Wow alot of misimfermation goign on here

1 Crysis did run ok on a 7600,2GB P4 D 3Ghz meduim/meduim low settigns, I can run it fine on my 8800 610MB/2.4 C2D 2GB system, the trouble is not so much the power needed.


The game itself is a sand box shooter its main flaw is pacing after a certain point you repeat and rise and repeat X10, the game just fails apart add in the lust for not wanting it without it maxed out it just hurt sales ...which apparently did fantastic BTW.............. cry wolf much I ponder......

201.7.2008 3:35
nobrainer
Inactive

Lets break this down a little, Crytek make a completely rubbish game that relied on graphics to sell it, most pc's weren't able to handle the high specifications required to run the title in it's full glory, they Crytek blame the poor sales on piracy to save face with the investors for a game that wasn't even worth stealing.

To top it all it was completely slated by reviewers but i'm sure it will sell by the bucket load once it is released in the PS3 and 360 as kids will buy anything that has a flashy marketing campaign.

NOTE TO GAME DEVELOPERS, GRAPHICS DON'T MEAN DIDDLY SQUAT, STOP MAKING CRAP TITLES FFS!

The problem is now that graphics are what sell titles to kids you know the console brigade, but pc gamers require depth in titles as we have seen mostly every genre before and 10x better than the crap that is being marketed now.

far cry was awesome Crytek wtf happened was you brought out by EA? The gaming industry has changed and now is not about the quality of the games its about making bucket loads of money gone are the days of elite and populous, they are even charging for content that has always been free now just to take the piss even more i mean what moron would pay for a few extra maps or weapons? Games have gone the same direction as movies and music and it sucks.

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211.7.2008 3:49

Originally posted by nobrainer:
Lets break this down a little, Crytek make a completely rubbish game that relied on graphics to sell it, most pc's weren't able to handle the high specifications required to run the title in it's full glory, they Crytek blame the poor sales on piracy to save face with the investors for a game that wasn't even worth stealing.

To top it all it was completely slated by reviewers but i'm sure it will sell by the bucket load once it is released in the PS3 and 360 as kids will buy anything that has a flashy marketing campaign.

NOTE TO GAME DEVELOPERS, GRAPHICS DON'T MEAN DIDDLY SQUAT, STOP MAKING CRAP TITLES FFS!

The problem is now that graphics are what sell titles to kids you know the console brigade, but pc gamers require depth in titles as we have seen mostly every genre before and 10x better than the crap that is being marketed now.

far cry was awesome Crytek wtf happened was you brought out by EA? The gaming industry has changed and now is not about the quality of the games its about making bucket loads of money gone are the days of elite and populous, they are even charging for content that has always been free now just to take the piss even more i mean what moron would pay for a few extra maps or weapons? Games have gone the same direction as movies and music and it sucks.
Its not a rubbish game tho, it has things going for it it just dose not maintain the momentum and the pacing.

Haze is a rubbish game,its so bad they wont even port it off the PS3!
Turok is nearly complete rubbish... worse story/plot/dialog than Cryisis the pacing is better tho.....

221.7.2008 4:38
OzMick
Inactive

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Originally posted by lawndog:
call of duty was very enjoyable for me, and the delta force series was good,socom yet anouther, unreal tournament has been so so, so far.
And when I said get it, I did mean buy it. Don't try to catagorise everybody as a pirate. Or a blood sucking parasite as "people with integrity that actually contribute to society" like to call pirates.
Sorry since the mass corporations have been turning out games one after the other I never run to the stores and pay full price for a game anymore. I'll let a friend buy it and test run it first.

Now I know their not the same critics, but critics none the less gave praises to a movie like "Open Water" have you seen that load of junk?? That was the last time I ever listened to a critic of any source. My critic was a friend that has the same taste in games as I do. And gamer reviews are mostly people that have played the game and wanna brag about it. The ones that don't like it will very rarly take the time to write a bad review, their to bust taking the game to the store to sell it back to gamestop to get a different one.

I do kinda find your name funny though
Lynch = To inflict punishment upon, especially death, without the forms of law, as when a mob captures and hangs a suspected person.
Statement retracted. My bad and I stand corrected. You be cool.

lynchGOP = lynch the Grand Ole Party (politicians). They could only be so fortunate to have such a smooth exit out of life.

Open Water depicted a very real scenario that 2 people actually went through. Don't know how anyone couldn't appreciate that movie knowing the horror that 2 innocents went through because of a head-up-their-ass boat captain. It was frighteningly and eerily real. Freud's theory "Suspense of disbelief" is necessary though. Once I read on the theory, I looked at movies, games, stories in a whole new light. Read on it and you may too.
I've just got to say that Open Water sucked. Hard. The acting was terrible, the photography was terrible, and the story was only VERY loosely based upon reality but tries to pass it as fact. The "based on a real story" only goes so far as 2 people were lost at sea, and their camera was found in a shark's stomach. For what is essentially a made up story, it was pretty poor... Yes, the story deserves to be told, but that doesn't make an excuse for a poor movie when a documentary would have served better.

231.7.2008 5:01
nobrainer
Inactive

Originally posted by zippy:
Its not a rubbish game tho, it has things going for it it just dose not maintain the momentum and the pacing.

Haze is a rubbish game,its so bad they wont even port it off the PS3!
Turok is nearly complete rubbish... worse story/plot/dialog than Cryisis the pacing is better tho.....
It was absolute tosh imo zippy my friend, the only interesting mission was the one where you had to attack the village and escape up the waterfall.

It is lame with poor AI that just walk into your gunfire, kinda like a duck shoot which would suit consoles ok because of the limited interface using a controller but this has to be one of the worst games i have ever played, it was boring, slow, repetative with a poor story and script.

The graphics were amazing but this does not make a good game no matter how much the industry try to market hi-res to us all, if there is little, to no content it just won't work it can look amazing but if all you want is pretty effects rent the latest graphics fest no content film for £3 and save your cash.

don't wast your cash ppl, purchase half life, castle wolfenstein, far cry, alien vs predator 2, unreal, quake, descent, ect or even doom is a better game.

Actually don't pay as there are several games that are far superior to this rubbish from Crytek that are free if you own a PC.

Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (FREE FULL GAME)


America's Army (FREE FULL GAME)


List of free first-person shooters

Another Free First Person Shooter Games List

Don't you love PC's with free content!


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241.7.2008 12:25
lynchGOP
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Oh man....................you people who make statements like "It's just another Doom-type game, run here, shoot this should be bitch-slapped. Stop complaining, stop ragging and above all else, STOP BEING HYPOCRITES. I'd bet my bottom dollar that the majority of you 'complainers' are/did play the games you're raggin' on and thoroughly enjoyed them. THAT"S WHAT FPS GAMES ARE!!! What the Hell would impress you regarding those types of games hmmmmmm?? You want the game to understand what you're saying to it? You want it to understand and empathize with what you're feeling? Ooooh Ooooh Oooooh, how about this, the game..................SHOOTS YOU BACK! Stop complaining and justifying your rampant theft and piracy, contribute back to society by purchasing a game from time to time and enjoy.

Learn to speak German and 'KWITCHERBICHIN' !!!

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251.7.2008 12:59

Lets make a game that only NASA can run at High Detail and then complain about people not buying it... lol what a joke!

261.7.2008 14:36

Originally posted by lynchGOP:
Oh man....................you people who make statements like "It's just another Doom-type game, run here, shoot this should be bitch-slapped. Stop complaining, stop ragging and above all else, STOP BEING HYPOCRITES. I'd bet my bottom dollar that the majority of you 'complainers' are/did play the games you're raggin' on and thoroughly enjoyed them. THAT"S WHAT FPS GAMES ARE!!! What the Hell would impress you regarding those types of games hmmmmmm?? You want the game to understand what you're saying to it? You want it to understand and empathize with what you're feeling? Ooooh Ooooh Oooooh, how about this, the game..................SHOOTS YOU BACK! Stop complaining and justifying your rampant theft and piracy, contribute back to society by purchasing a game from time to time and enjoy.

Learn to speak German and 'KWITCHERBICHIN' !!!
there's no replay value, unlike doom, or even goldeneye for the n64. they may have crappy graphics by today's standard, but at least they can keep you occupied more than half an hour.

try speedrunning in crysis, with all the details on very high, 4xAA, and max resolution.
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ps2: v7 scph-39001 - independence exploit - hdloader 0.8c - maxtor 300gb hdd
(+[__]%) psp slim ta-085v1: 6.60 PRO B10
wii (powered by bootmii/priiloader): 4.1u - d2x v10beta53-alt (base 56) - configurable usb loader v70r51/devolution r188 - wd scorpio black 7200rpm 320gig w/ ams venus ds2 enclosure

got a whole lot more to list . . .

271.7.2008 15:01

As someone in the first post said, piracy has been here for a loooong time. This video might refresh some people's memory XD

Don't Copy That Floppy

Yeah, just like one of those videos you can't stop watching but your killing yourself while doing so. Damn was oregon trail fun!!

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283.7.2008 2:12

@ Lynch
I think your missing the point of alot of these peoples anger. Their not nesacarly angry about the game coming out, Their angry because The developer is accuseing cruddy sales on pirates and pirates alone.
There are many factors that could go into cruddy sales, above average PC's, and the generic game play. Wolfenstien came out what maybe early 90's, has first person shooter games really changed that much?? Heck even in that game, or doom you had to use certain door combinations, which is still a big deal in games today.
I wouldn't mind a game that had same senario as Myst, and Raven, then add the shooting element, then also add Character development like in military games(stat inprovements)
Hell, I may be wrong and your right. Everybody is just bitter and want something to complain about.
But for me what ticks me off is this dude wants to put all the blame on pirates, along with the RIAA, MPAA and others, it's not because people have gotten lazy and lost their creative edge, and the desire to entertain the masses. Everybody wants to make a quick buck and move on.
If you look at the break-out games, games that people will always remember. Most of the games first of their kind, or well advertised.
First-First person shooter= Wolfenstein (Although Doom was better advertised and had more copies hit the streets)
Myst= Was a first person game that made you actually think, and man was it a pain in the A@@ I never even finished that game.
Final Fantasy Series= One of, but not first, games to use character development, thought the whole game.
Gran Terismo=one of the first games where you can truly tune your car to your driving style
Grand Theft Auto=um never played but from what I hear it has taken the full world interaction to the extreme??

I know I missed alot, or may have made a couple mistakes, but my point is wheres the creativity in the entertainment industry?? I mean come on, Games cost $50-$60 for a single game. Which cost $0.15-$0.30 to manufactor and deliver. Yes alot of money went into development, but how many sales does it take before that price can go down?


Whos gonna make the next "come out game" what game will forever be remembered for pioneering into a new experiance instead of just fallowing in the footsteps of the ones that blazed the trails??
With todays technology you really gotta be good at anti hacking, or a really good deveoper to earn our money. I mean comon people have been copying stuff since cassette tapes came out, we used to sit with our fingers on the record button waitting for our favorite song to come on.
I'm sure MR.Cevat Yerli did the same thing.
Now I don't know this to be true but I would be willing to bet that if you looked at the code for the game, or whatever the terminology is, you might see some stuff that has been copied (aka. pirated) from other games.
And also this isn't the first time he has complained about pirates.
I think he is looking for an excuse to go into the console industry and this is the easiest way for him to convince his share holders.

Like I said I may be wrong and we're just looking for something to be bitter about......But maybe I'm right and we as gamers and people who desire to be entertained are tired of the same thing over and over again.
Or maybe we're both right...We're all bitter, but because we're tired.

293.7.2008 8:37

Originally posted by lawndog:

I know I missed alot, or may have made a couple mistakes, but my point is wheres the creativity in the entertainment industry?? I mean come on, Games cost $50-$60 for a single game. Which cost $0.15-$0.30 to manufactor and deliver. Yes alot of money went into development, but how many sales does it take before that price can go down?

the $0.30 a disc to manufacture and distribute does not even come close to the amount that is spent on development, design, marketing, and updating the game.

Lets say a company's goal is to distribute 1,000,000 copies of a game. (a high number). They sell it to walmart/best buy for $35 (yes, believe it or not, BB / Walmart are the ones that mark it up to $50-$60)

So if EVERYTHING goes well, they will gross $35,000,000

Lets check out the costs for the company over a 4 year time it takes to develop a title.

Sound Designers x3: 4yrs@$40,000 per year = $480,000 (which is LOW for a sound designer)
Computer Graphic designers x3: 4yrs@60,000 per year = 720,000
Programmers x 10: 4yrs@50,000 per year = 2,000,000
Game Music Scoring: 4yrs@60,000 per year = 240,000
Marketing department: 4yrs @ 200,000 per year = 800,000
As you can tell, these costs add up quick... This not including the salaries for the CEO, CFO, accounting etc etc.

IMO, if a game is good, it will outsell piracy 50% of the time. However, with the number of torrents I've seen with Crysis and thousands of other games, I can say without a doubt that piracy in its current stage is partially hendering development of better games.

303.7.2008 9:36

Quote:
Originally posted by lawndog:

I know I missed alot, or may have made a couple mistakes, but my point is wheres the creativity in the entertainment industry?? I mean come on, Games cost $50-$60 for a single game. Which cost $0.15-$0.30 to manufactor and deliver. Yes alot of money went into development, but how many sales does it take before that price can go down?

the $0.30 a disc to manufacture and distribute does not even come close to the amount that is spent on development, design, marketing, and updating the game.

Lets say a company's goal is to distribute 1,000,000 copies of a game. (a high number). They sell it to walmart/best buy for $35 (yes, believe it or not, BB / Walmart are the ones that mark it up to $50-$60)

So if EVERYTHING goes well, they will gross $35,000,000

Lets check out the costs for the company over a 4 year time it takes to develop a title.

Sound Designers x3: 4yrs@$40,000 per year = $480,000 (which is LOW for a sound designer)
Computer Graphic designers x3: 4yrs@60,000 per year = 720,000
Programmers x 10: 4yrs@50,000 per year = 2,000,000
Game Music Scoring: 4yrs@60,000 per year = 240,000
Marketing department: 4yrs @ 200,000 per year = 800,000
As you can tell, these costs add up quick... This not including the salaries for the CEO, CFO, accounting etc etc.

IMO, if a game is good, it will outsell piracy 50% of the time. However, with the number of torrents I've seen with Crysis and thousands of other games, I can say without a doubt that piracy in its current stage is partially hendering development of better games.
mmm no games are only abut 10$ less than the retail price, the retial mark up is 3-10$ this is why you see some 4X$ games.

314.7.2008 7:56

which equals a total of 4,240,000 out of pocket, not includeing CEO, CFO and accounting(which also handle other projects)
Which leaves a remander of #30,760,000.
And EA is has come out and said it has reached the 1 million mark for sales.
Being that this game has outsold EA's expectation http://www.incrysis.com/index.php?option...ask=view&id=612
Does this guy really have the right to piss and moon about pirates??

324.7.2008 10:08

I play BF2 & was one of the people who refused to buy another EA product because of poor support & patching. Ea & whichever software house programs the game will have to produce something awesome to make me purchase another one of thier titles. I was not alone in this stance, if you read BF2 forums you will see a lot of people who did the same as me.

334.7.2008 12:01

After playing the game I came to a different conclusion as to why sales are down and I don't think it's piracy. Aside from the fact you need a Cray supercomputer to run it above 45fps, The game basically sucked. Did have a couple of moments? sure but over all it was weak and BORING!!! No where as good as the first game. If I had paid full price and not got it on ebay I'd have been pissed. I just purcashed 2 other games used of ebay that I'm not happy with.
1)Soldier of Fortune Payback: What a piece of crap, SOF 1&2 were good.
2John Woo's Stranglehold. It's a console port that you can't re-assign the momvement keys wsad which is not the config I use to game so I can't play it. So the problem the game industry is having is piracy? How about bonehead mngt?

344.7.2008 17:56

the game sold well and made plenty of money. especially when you consider that they don't have to pay a royalty to the console manufacturer since it is on pc. they made at least $10 million more since it wasn't released on console because of that and people are going to keep buying this game for a few years because it is the benchmark game for PCs right now. The guy needs to shut his trap, when there isn't a PC out there right now that can run it at max, you are going to get a lot of pirates. Be happy with selling over one million, probably over two by the time it is taken off of store shelves considering you need the new amd card to run it on high settings, high resolution with a decent frame rate, and probably two of the new cards to get frame rates that you really need from a shooter

354.7.2008 22:07

Piracy will always happen, its how good the game is that will force get people to buy the game knowing that they deserve the money. I bet 50+% of the people that downloaded it noticed that the game is crap or that their PCs couldn't run it well at all. I'm the one who thinks the game is crap. It kept my attention for some 4 hours only.

366.7.2008 12:38

...if we're being honest here...


So I downloaded crysis, played it for all of 5 minutes on my pretty good Dell 1520 w/ nvidia 8600 video card and 4 gigs of ram. It played like crap and it felt just like farcry which I didn't like.


Luckily for me I didn't spend 50 bucks on a game that would I would've tried to resell on ebay for half of that the next day.

I don't really think it was just piracy that killed them, but the game wasn't really as great as they thought.

376.7.2008 13:04

On my computer, Q6600 @ 3.07, 4GB RAM, 6800GT it also plays like crap. Plays on around lowest-medium settings. Lowest for a constant no-lag play. Medium lags once every 10 minutes or so. I wouldn't have minded that, I just never liked the game. That game was more of a gamers benchmark then a game people played.

386.7.2008 13:14

2.4c2D 2GB ramm and a 8800GTS...ran fine on high for me 0-o
didn't make the game any better...but ti ran fine....

396.7.2008 13:16

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
2.4c2D 2GB ramm and a 8800GTS...ran fine on high for me 0-o
didn't make the game any better...but ti ran fine....

So you basically needed a $300 graphics card ;)

406.7.2008 13:21

Quote:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
2.4c2D 2GB ramm and a 8800GTS...ran fine on high for me 0-o
didn't make the game any better...but ti ran fine....

So you basically needed a $300 graphics card ;)
450..... :P
I did run it on medium on a 3.0 2 core P4 with 2 GB of ramm and a 7600 and it run fine.

I didnt have much trouble running it it was wanting to play it I had trouble with.

416.7.2008 14:31

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Quote:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I didnt have much trouble running it it was wanting to play it I had trouble with.

LMAO

426.7.2008 14:34
nobrainer
Inactive

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Quote:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
2.4c2D 2GB ramm and a 8800GTS...ran fine on high for me 0-o
didn't make the game any better...but ti ran fine....

So you basically needed a $300 graphics card ;)
450..... :P
I did run it on medium on a 3.0 2 core P4 with 2 GB of ramm and a 7600 and it run fine.

I didnt have much trouble running it it was wanting to play it I had trouble with.
same here.

436.7.2008 22:44

They make a crappy game and blame Piracy. WTF! This is a type of game that the PS3/360 needs for online, not a PC!

447.7.2008 12:43
nobrainer
Inactive

Originally posted by core2kid:
They make a crappy game and blame Piracy. WTF! This is a type of game that the PS3/360 needs for online, not a PC!
if it does get ported to either the 360 or ps3 the visuals will suffer as neither console can match either the refresh rate or resolution of a pc and that is running at dx9 standard not even dx10.

The only reason to purchase this title is for the effects, or if you are a sheep the "awesome advertising"

but i suppose only morons would be duped by that or kids on ritalin.


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