Maybe Hollywood should concentrate on the part of that equation where the movies don't suck, rather than the part where people find out how bad they are.

lmfao!!!

Lmao...Vurbal, nice line there buddy.

Let's face it, make good movies and the people will come.

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Lmao...Vurbal, nice line there buddy.

Let's face it, make good movies and the people will come.

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Make a movie worth seeing on a 50 foot screen =) That simple.

Who here hasn't heard the word "BULLSHIT".and smelled the californian variant in the same old shit?. hands up now kiddies.. I watched it before the official US premier in the UK thanks to my friends in the good ole united states of whothefucknowswhere (piraes"r"us??) I'm saving £20 on a cinema trip. cheers guys.. can spend my limited sparecash on something actually worth a wank!!.. and that isn'r Sharleen Spiteri or Jenny Craig... shite,, sorry!! (embarrassed)

I remember feeling the same way about Phantom Menace. The trailer looked divine, but yet I walked out of the theater midway through. Bad writing, terrible direction, wooden acting, etc. Fat Lucas has definitely lost his edge. I think with Star Wars..the first film that came out..well, lets just say he was VERY VERY lucky.

BWAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wait Warner 'till your God-forsaken release comes out on DVD!
Then we'll see who 'won'.

It's still making money hand over fist and there about a dozen or so camera torrents available online. I think they should just be happy this on time the movie was good enough that people felt it was worth seeing...in some cases more than once.

Why does it ALWAYS have to be about pirates and P2P? Their movie is breaking records and making a ton of money and they STILL are not happy.

Just shows how many muppets there are in the world... speaking for myself .. my arse belongs to me not WB's hand.. they can keep their superhero tired old crap.. the pratman.. yeah. he was over sometime in 1970,,,

maybe I'm a grown up.. I don't buy this cgi garbage

Oh.. I was asked a question.. it's not us commercial pirates who keep arising the stakes, its them stupid studios who haven't realised yet that it's 2008 not 1930.. lmfao!! (don't understand?? google mofo :lol:)

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great word vurbal!!
Dark Knight is great movie, i watched t on theatre and like it. the quality thats sell :D

@topic
anti piracy measure?
lol
im sure Dark Knight TS will come on torrents just as fast as the other movies, and then folowed by R5 :p

While |I seem negative.. NO.. it's a decent movie, it could have been a great movie without all the cgi and the lack of imagination.. as it is it is a pretty good film, but in the scheme of things who will be talking about it in 5 years (months even)
ultimately like the last 2 years output.. clever cgi but no actual content.. flame on.. I'm a commercial file reviewer, I get paid for watching this crap!!.

to me, this movie earned its record-breaking spot.
i'm thinking about paying another $10 to see it again,
just for the joy of seeing 1080p projection of that film.


on the subject of the movie;
i thought it was the first superhero flick to totally break out of rut.
thought skeptical beforehand with critiques i'd read, i say believe the hype.
it was more like a crime drama, to me, than a comic book movie.
once the bat was perched high in gotham, i was thinking:
"wtf...there's a guy in a cape and mask in this movie!?"
almost seemed out of place.
until the last third or so, i didn't think they were going to squeeze in big explosions and car chases.

WTF all this over batman I mean how many sequels to batman are there.If they are going to release something they should release something original.Its like watching James Bond movies if you seen one you pretty much seen them all.

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I would have to agree 100% with that comment Hollywood doesn't have anything that is worth watching.I'm constantly watching older movies,because nothing decent has came out or has been out in ages.The plots to some of the older movies are better than what we are seeing today.

This is like saying "the surge is working." Seriously, how about filming a great movie with quality acting/directing with huge buzz behind it? Do you think that had any part of it's success? This really is a disservice to Ledger, Eckhart, Bale, and Nolan. The execs are just trying to glom onto the success--Hollywood style!

as if we didn't see this coming..

ha ha ha i find this funny because most of your piraters are not from australia they are from the u.k and from russia so even if you placed measures people still got a pirated copy from some where.

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Saying this movie didn't deserve the incredible turnout at the box office is really a slap in the face to the Great Actors & Christopher Nolan as Director. This is a Damn Great Movie! Yes, I paid & watched it.
I give credit to both Marvel for the re-booted "Incredible Hulk" and DC Comics for the re-booted "Batman". Both were seriously Great! I'll buy the DVD's when released. Of course, I am a diehard comic hero fan too. As far as "Piracy" is concerned, I don't think it had any effect on the outcome of the movie. Piracy will always be around. If Man makes it, Man will find a way to copy & or exploit it. Fact of life. Live with it Hollywood! The only way to keep a movie from being copied or pirated is not to make it.
My Opinions for what they are worth.

This article is a complete lie

the true title should be

Warner execs claim piracy measures behind "The Dark Knight's" success

not mine though.

[img]http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2001/darkknightdvd1uq5.jpg[img]

There is a strong and powerful need moving in the world that can and will only be met by true globalization and the true distribution of wealth; such a distribution may best be served by making it compulsory for all citizens (and anyone else) to have single bank accounts into which ALL income must go (this includes tips, income from boot sales etc).

The monies thus collected may then be organized for equal redistribution amongst all the relevant businesses utilizing an auto-distribution and carve-up program. This way will remove the consumer entirely from muddying up the waters of wealth acquisition and maintain a short, efficient flow path from wealth generation to wealth acquisition thus ensuring a more fair and equitable sharing amongst the wealth holders and owners.

Any previously ancillary staff, for example lawyers, politicians, lobbyists and their like, will be declared no longer necessary and they may be returned to the base raw material supply pool and be fitted with basic level RFID's with all balances to be set to and showing zero. Any further contact between them and the wealth stream is to be avoided in case of adulteration. Previously garnished but now unlawful wealth shall be recovered using any means up to and including the rendering and glue factories and shall be pursued up and until 10th level relations without excuse or favour.

Warner is so wise... how did they know that I didn't want to watch The Dark Knight IMAX on my 14 inch laptop.

Its this exact line of bullshit they'll use when their lobbyists are "Glad handing" politicians on capitol hill. Then a little back door cash, some free trips to exotic locales for the corrupt politicians, and voila more copyright legislation. I guess they have to test it out on the general public first to see if we choke it down.

@Tashammer
I like where your coming from. Seems like lunacy now, but give it a few years of "slow change" where we are slowly being herded into our pens.

what a load of rubbish this film was on the pirate bay the same day, but they have to state this to convince the common folk that giving up your liberties is a good thing as Hollywood can make a few extra "million" bucks.

Nine out of ten pirates are claiming losses on their piracy efforts due to hollywoods lackluster crop of movies last year. Pirates say, and I quote, "People won't even watch that crap for free."
Many pirates are having to go back to regular day jobs because of this. Its a sad day for all.

See, we can all make up ridiculous stories. If only "average" people had a voice like the corporate controlled media?

They claim a victory? lol

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that's a closed tracker dude, try the numbers on mininova.

but seriously its about snooping powers not combating the minimal loss to pirates.

Bush Administration New Terror Front: Copyright Infringement

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pirates are terrorists are they george?

well aren't you two a couple of geniuses. Lets lead the cat, to the canary.

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? Do you not think that officials are aware of the filesharing websites? Did I give anything but a screenshot which deliberately doesn't shwop uploaders names of the website URL. It really wouldn't make a difference, some of these websites are hosted in various parts of the world, good luck getting a search warrant for there.

uh, I was giving you kudos. I liked it, I think you misunderstood.
I especially liked the new terror front. Maybe sometimes the canary is the cat.

BLABLABLABLA

i am not sure if studios still don't get it. If they make good movies people will spend cash to go see in the theaters. If all you can offer is stupid comedies with will farrell doing the same thing over and over again then is really not worth paying for it and waiting in line. I rather download it and laugh for a bit. So make good movies and stop making anti piracy excuses.. totally BULL

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While |I seem negative.. NO.. it's a decent movie, it could have been a great movie without all the cgi and the lack of imagination.. as it is it is a pretty good film, but in the scheme of things who will be talking about it in 5 years (months even)
ultimately like the last 2 years output.. clever cgi but no actual content.. flame on.. I'm a commercial file reviewer, I get paid for watching this crap!!.

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How soon we forget your high praises for the CGI-fest (but no actual content) known as "Van Helsing:"

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/13815.cfm

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Don't you think you should afford the same entitlement to everyone else?

i've been reading afterdawn for awhile now and never felt compelled to post but I have to say, this BS from warners just makes me madder 'n hell. i hope they squander all the money they make and go down like new line did with the golden compass.

idiots. all of them.

i forgot the movie already... i need to watch it again.. without using herbalism.. =]

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While |I seem negative.. NO.. it's a decent movie, it could have been a great movie without all the cgi and the lack of imagination.. as it is it is a pretty good film, but in the scheme of things who will be talking about it in 5 years (months even)
ultimately like the last 2 years output.. clever cgi but no actual content.. flame on.. I'm a commercial file reviewer, I get paid for watching this crap!!.

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Varnull..............You have just forfeited your potential of being an avid movie-goer with good taste and also forfeited your right to passing an opinion on flicks. You are seriously in the tiny tiny TINY minority of those that think the movie is "decent". Some people just should not be allowed to make recommendations or have opinions. It's because the world allows this that there are so many unjust laws, rules and corruption and "bad people" that are merely out for themselves.

TELL US ALL PLEASE. If this movie was "decent", WHAT WAS THE LAST MOVIE YOU CONSIDERED GREAT? No answer would indicate you are an unappeasable individual.

I will be anxiously awaiting your response because I'm as curious as can be about what floats your boat.


Oh and IF you are ACTUALLY a commercial "file" (whatever that is) reviewer........then YOU'RE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (regardless of the simple fact that movie critiquing and appreciation is a whole other ballgame)

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WTF all this over batman I mean how many sequels to batman are there.If they are going to release something they should release something original.Its like watching James Bond movies if you seen one you pretty much seen them all.

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I would have to agree 100% with that comment Hollywood doesn't have anything that is worth watching.I'm constantly watching older movies,because nothing decent has came out or has been out in ages.The plots to some of the older movies are better than what we are seeing today.

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And this reasoning is no doubt your lame excuse for justifying YOUR rampant stealing, downloading and pirating of movies and the fact that you probably don't and WON'T ever buy a physical DVD or even own more than 5.

Shame.................leaches and leaching does not make the world go 'round. It in fact brings it to a screeching halt. No integrity.

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Anyone that watches that crap (TS, cams etc) is ghetto and as blood sucking leechy as they get with NO TASTE. No doubt simple-minded too.

Yeah, the quality of the movie was the reason why it did so well. Nolan pulled this series out of the gutter. It's gotta be tough to write a serious drama with mature themes around a guy in a bat-suit, but these new takes on the Bat are a refreshing turn-around. Once you understand that "Begins" and "Dark Knight" are not sequels to the previous fiascos, then they become more enjoyable. These are movies that delve deeper into the human psyche. Batman is not a super hero in the typical sense. He's viewed as a criminal. He's not just fighting bad guys. He's fighting his own demons, trying to figure out right from wrong, and if he's even capable of making the right choices. The movie manages at times to find humor in the darkness of their world, without making it a campy cheese-fest. In my personal case, I found myself occasionally laughing, but almost uncomfortably due to the derranged nature of what was happening. I watched this movie with the same kind of interest as the Bourne movies. I was truly interested in the characters.

Seems like most reviews range from good to great. And that's an excellent indication as to why it did so well.

thanks lynchGop, we all take that as a compliment :)

So you want "great" films.. OK try Stalker, or Ronin, or Amilee or KillBill pt1 (all style and storytelling, but not much story.. genius n action) Irreversible, Trainspotting.. want me to go on?

Now please remember I didn't say batman was crap, only that it is respectable.. you aren't wasting your money going to the cinema to see this one.. It only stands out because of the dearth of any recent quality films to compare it to. It's just another formulaic superhero film with heaps of cgi dressing it up. Nothing challenging, no commentary on life.. nothing but another "lets stomp the bad guy" film from studios and writers who seem to have got very lazy.. or is it the financiers who have realised that any old crap sells so long as it has flashy special effects and enough hype...

guess what lynch.. I usually agree with you on stuff, but that was a step too far. get over yoiurself.. you like nobrain superhero stuff? fine.. but don't go trying to tell us grownups it's the greatest film of all time... because we will pull Casablanca and Cross of Iron on you.. and that's without going to probably the greatest film of all time and certainly the best realised and most artistically profound project Броненосец Потёмкин

Now now....let's not get our knicker in a knot. (I think that is the correct saying)

My question is why haven't the movie studios been doing all along? Why is it now a success? The answer: its not. They are using this movie to spread their "message of success". People are search on google and other search engines about Dark Knight. What a great way to get people to read your "message of success" than to associate it with a hot topic like Dark Knight.

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Sergei Eisenstien's Battleship Potemkin - restored to full black and white glory by Kino and released in a 2-disc collectors set:

http://www.amazon.com/Battleship-Potemki...KVJBW8Q04PPMAVS

One of the few regular DVD's I bought last year.

Maybe not the best film of all time (Citizen Kane is tops for me) but among the top ten IMO.

I guess I'd have to watch a "making of" because TDK didn't come off as a CGI fest to me.

Emugamer, your "review" is spot-on and the reason why this shouldn't be lumped with the usual superhero movies shilled to consumers. This is not your childhood Batman, and this is not Iron Man, X-Men, Hancock or any other those "other" movies.

Oh, and TS/CAM/R5 are all CRAP! I'm no saint to downloading stuff, but I NEVER download those horrible quality bootlegs. It's an insult to myself as a moviegoer as much as it is a slap in the face to the studios.

TDK is worth the money to go see on the big screen, and if you don't/won't/can't, then just wait for the DVD to watch it at home, because it's worth a buy.

if they made more good movies like this people would pay see them. but they keep making all these small worthless movies not worth a $1 that why sales and people going to the cinema are down. i paid see this one at the cinema and i liked it alot better then batman begins to me there on a role i liked incredible hulk movie and iron man allso. bottmline make stuff people want see or hear you will get your sales up make crap be lucky sale one copy.

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And this reasoning is no doubt your lame excuse for justifying YOUR rampant stealing, downloading and pirating of movies and the fact that you probably don't and WON'T ever buy a physical DVD or even own more than 5.

Shame.................leaches and leaching does not make the world go 'round. It in fact brings it to a screeching halt. No integrity.

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I don't have to download the movies they are crap to begin with a 5 minute preview of the movie can tell you that.The movie isn't as great as most people make it sound,and no I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon to make you all happy.Its sad when you have numb nuts paying for crap because it screws everybody else when hollywood knows they can get away with it.Sorry but your post is as useless as your comment on the subject,and when did I ever mentioned I pirated the movie.How about you get off the banana boat and get back to reality.Sorry I'm not at the toddler age where super heroes thrill me.

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I guess I'd have to watch a "making of" because TDK didn't come off as a CGI fest to me.

Emugamer, your "review" is spot-on and the reason why this shouldn't be lumped with the usual superhero movies shilled to consumers. This is not your childhood Batman, and this is not Iron Man, X-Men, Hancock or any other those "other" movies.

Oh, and TS/CAM/R5 are all CRAP! I'm no saint to downloading stuff, but I NEVER download those horrible quality bootlegs. It's an insult to myself as a moviegoer as much as it is a slap in the face to the studios.

TDK is worth the money to go see on the big screen, and if you don't/won't/can't, then just wait for the DVD to watch it at home, because it's worth a buy.

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I disagree I think Dark knight is done in the same vine of comic films as incredible hulk,Helboy, Iron man, taking the fiction as its presented and merely altering it just a tad for the times, In Dark knight's case its what Batman should be not so much a action movie but a crime drama.


Oh and I tag any half decent cam job to see if a moive is even worth trying to get in good qaulity.
POTC:worth about 10$ each
Hellboy 2 worth 20$
Dark knight worth 20$
Indiana johns crystal skull....not worth seeing again
Speed racer worth 15$
Iron man worth 15$
Incredible hulk worth 15$

Still do not like Batman beginnings enough to buy it >>

I see error5 is still being his usual prick self picking things totally out of context..as usual for the uninventive and ignorant who never ever have anything relevant to say unless it is fanboy trolling.
Van Helsing stands out as a work of art. I don't give two shits if you don't agree.. I like it and that is enough for me. I don't need to justify my taste to any dickhead on a forum. There isn't any other film quite like it. It stands alone. is liking a film because of it's artistry of direction and skill in the pacing is wrong?.. dammit.. Ultraviolet is a really classy film looked at in those terms, though I don't think anybody would say it was a great film. Plenty of style and polish, but like aeon flux.. something just doesn't quite happen to take it that little bit more and make it great. A great film can only really be judged well after the fact.. Great films stand the test of time.. bashing on and on about how something which has only just hit the screens is the greatest film of all time is as fruitless as the oscars. In 10 years have another look.. will you be able to go and buy this batman film easily like you can say buy Pulp Fiction, or a John Wayne film? Then we will know

Tell you what these current films remind me of.. propaganda films from ww2.. Formulaic and pushing the "bad guys get whupped by the all american hero" message. It's subtle propaganda, but that doesn't make it any more palatable. Captain America in a bat suit.. Captain America in a spider suit.. Captain America as a frikkin shape shifting bloody robot.. give me strength *sighs*. American Psycho is far far better... and they probably aren't looking for people downloading that as it doesn't "spread an appropriate message" ;) hehehehe.. You can have the propaganda ONLY if you pay for it.. Leave it to George XD

The message it's clear; "Make good movies and people will pay to see them" If the studios want to ignore that message and claim that the numbers are due their means to "protect" their films from piracy,they are hopeless...

varnull
but you can also point out anti caplistic themes here and again, but ya I can see the propagandaness in them but its more corporate than patriotic, or at least corporate stringing along patriots *rolls eyes*

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There is nothing new about big budget summer blockbusters having lots of hype and making alot of money at the box office. Spider-Man 3 was absolute crap and it has the #2 opening weekend/day ever and made over $300 million.

I don't buy the whole, "Its not my fault for stealing" argument. If a movie sucks, why even watch it? This is 2008. If you don't know about review sites and how to watch a trailer online, you're an idiot and its unlikely you use the internet well enough to post or browse on Afterdawn. Theres no reason to steal. If you hate today's movies there's an easy alternative: don't watch them. Why waste hours downloading and watching when you could spend 3 minutes on rotten tomatoes or a film forum and find out what people think about the movie and if its something that interests you.

Its like when people say they download songs illegaly because music is bad. Yeah, its so bad that you download it to your ipod and listen to it 20 times a week... something isn't adding up.

Quality standards have gotten insanely high. You have to be the second coming of the Beatles... or marketed to the level of the second coming of the beatles in order to have success today. "Amazing" and "Really good" isn't enough to warrant someone spending $1 on a song, $9 on a CD or $8 for a movie or $14 for a DVD.
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I still don't see whats so great about the Dark Knight. Its a comic book movie. They covered up all the violence with slapstick humor so that it seemed light hearted (saturday morning cartoons do that all the time... nothing new or innovative about that, plus people act like they've never heard of dark humor before), it still had tons of bad comic movie one liners and jokes. The entire opening sequence is one long series of crappy jokes until the Joker pulls his mask off. In reality, this movie has alot of issues the are saved solely because of how much screen time they gave to Heath Ledger's Joker... which is the only aspect of the movie not over-rated imo.

I think the movie is good (A-) but when I see people saying, "its the best movie i've ever seen"... I have to think their movie going starts and Fast and Furious and ends at Fast and Furious 3: Tokyo Drift.

They're asking for it.

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I still don't see whats so great about the Dark Knight. Its a comic book movie. They covered up all the violence with slapstick humor so that it seemed light hearted (saturday morning cartoons do that all the time... nothing new or innovative about that, plus people act like they've never heard of dark humor before), it still had tons of bad comic movie one liners and jokes.

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Did you even SEE this movie? That is totally not at all what this movie is like. Are you sure you didn't go see "Batman & Robin" by mistake?

You're totally allowed to dislike the movie, but don't misrepresent the film as some buffoon'ish slapstick comedy full of one-liners and jokes, Or even a dark comedy. That's 100% inaccurate.
And then claim anyone that enjoied the movie has no taste (as if your taste is the only that matters) as your defense.
It's obvious you have no idea what the hell kind of movie you were watching if you thought The Dark Knight was "light-hearted".

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I don't buy the whole, "Its not my fault for stealing" argument. If a movie sucks, why even watch it? This is 2008. If you don't know about review sites and how to watch a trailer online, you're an idiot and its unlikely you use the internet well enough to post or browse on Afterdawn. Theres no reason to steal. If you hate today's movies there's an easy alternative: don't watch them. Why waste hours downloading and watching when you could spend 3 minutes on rotten tomatoes or a film forum and find out what people think about the movie and if its something that interests you.

Its like when people say they download songs illegaly because music is bad. Yeah, its so bad that you download it to your ipod and listen to it 20 times a week... something isn't adding up.

Quality standards have gotten insanely high. You have to be the second coming of the Beatles... or marketed to the level of the second coming of the beatles in order to have success today. "Amazing" and "Really good" isn't enough to warrant someone spending $1 on a song, $9 on a CD or $8 for a movie or $14 for a DVD.

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I agree with you that some people tend to throw around the word "steal" and "pirate" pretty freely (ie. "Make movies/music better and I won't steal"). But I believe that it is a knee-jerk reaction to changing times and the accusations and claims from big media that have come with them. These are words that have had gray definitions to many people for years now, and the industry has only added to the confusion. The problem seems to be that there have always been legal ways to watch/listen to movies/music for free. The internet has only made these habits more noticeable. The way big media and the govt are approaching this issue infringes on so many other rights. There was no way to track how many songs my friends and I taped off our radio when we were teenagers. Little did we know that we had a hand in crippling our neighborhoods police force and in effect, becoming an accessory to murder and theft. I recorded the Godfather II on my DVR. I don't own it, but I can tell you I've watched it numerous times since then and still won't fork over the dough for a personal copy. And I've had family and friends watch it at my house. None of them own it either. I'm not paying a rental fee each time to see it. I don't belong to a movie rental club. I would laugh hysterically if the movie industry tried to claim lost sales for all of the movies I have on my DVR.

The anger people have seems to be with the way big media is bullying the consumers. If you can honestly say that suing parents for $750/song, or that FBI warnings of exhorbitant monetary penalties and imprisonment for copying a DVD are fair and just, then I see exactly where you are coming from and you are entitled to your opinion. But IMO, these are the reasons people are lashing out in anger.

Working to change the system and tools people can use to view/listen to media would be a more effective use of their time and resources than working to change people by pounding the message into them. Especially when the message has a transparent agenda fueled by greed.

Hmmmmmm... Dark Knight was a success because they were successful from preventing pirates from videotaping the movie two days before it was released in the States. Well I guess the movie Space Chimps bombed because some #$$hole recorded it and was spreading the cheap DVD copies at your local flea market the same weekend of its grand opening. Makes sense.

I'm glad my opinion matters to you all............AS IT SHOULD because I should be the final say!!!!!!!!

L-burna................Now now, justification of your rampant theft of movies is NOT AN ACT OF INTEGRITY. By the way............How many DVDs do you OWN? I'm guessing 5.

But I'm also guessing you POSSESS 500 movies.


HA HA HA HA HA HA


Varnull.........Amilee?? What the Hell is that?? Not even in IMDB. Trainspotting is good, Ronin is ok and boring and Kill Bill parts 1 and 2 were theatrically and cinematically VERY SIMILAR.

But I see a pattern here, you like flicks that are obscure because somehow you feel offended and feel like a 'sheeple' follower when you enjoy movies that most others do to. I call that a complex problem. See a psych, as he/she can help with that. There is truly nothing wrong with enjoying what most others do. Perhaps you would REALLY like to separate yourself from the rest of the world and change the color of your blood, or become a lunatic mass/serial killer. Then you won't be labeled as "one of the crowd of followers". Poor you.

If I were Christopher Nolan, I'd be suing Warner Bros. right now.

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surprisingly there was a really decent bootleg copy within like a day of release, and i watched thousands of people go download it and say F^&& the theaters they cost to much....
just go to isohunt and type in dark knight because it does not matter how good a movie is people will still bootleg it..

and everybody didn't know batman was going to be as good as it was,think about spiderman 3 we were excited about that movie and it was CRAP.plus it did good in the box office.

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I'm glad my opinion matters to you all............AS IT SHOULD because I should be the final say!!!!!!!!

L-burna................Now now, justification of your rampant theft of movies is NOT AN ACT OF INTEGRITY. By the way............How many DVDs do you OWN? I'm guessing 5.

But I'm also guessing you POSSESS 500 movies.


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Varnull.........Amilee?? What the Hell is that?? Not even in IMDB. Trainspotting is good, Ronin is ok and boring and Kill Bill parts 1 and 2 were theatrically and cinematically VERY SIMILAR.

But I see a pattern here, you like flicks that are obscure because somehow you feel offended and feel like a 'sheeple' follower when you enjoy movies that most others do to. I call that a complex problem. See a psych, as he/she can help with that. There is truly nothing wrong with enjoying what most others do. Perhaps you would REALLY like to separate yourself from the rest of the world and change the color of your blood, or become a lunatic mass/serial killer. Then you won't be labeled as "one of the crowd of followers". Poor you.

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I own more than 5 and they are ten times better than batman.I said it before and I will say it again I don't have to steal garbage.By the way pirates will always exist even after you pass away,so go jump back on the industry wrinkle stick instead of accusing people of actions they are not doing.I can name some that have been made in 5 years that are alright,but nothing in the category of greatest movie ever.If you want to see good movies watch these movies Seven,Platoon,Casualties of War,Full Metal Jacket,Scarface,The Godfather,Goodfellas,Casino,Raging Bull,Point Break,Force 10 from Navarone etc...I could keep going with movies that are better than batman that I own,and the list I mentioned are old movies by the way.The movies are not about a little nutter running around in his tights,but actually have a plot to them.Hollywood doesn't have anything that is interesting like they use to.The only movies I can think of off the top of my head that I thought are somewhat decent in the past 5 years or so are 300(good movie),Saw(its not really great,but it does have some creativity),The Passion of the Christ and hmmm...I'm stumped what is a good movie they released in the past 5 years or so,and no superheroes or some childish BS like batman.I can name probably more movies made in the past 5 years that I will never watch,and if you think they are producing great titles then something is wrong with you.Hollywood is targeting a younger audience now so this is the main reason why the movies suck.

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Originally posted by lynchGOP:

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I'm glad my opinion matters to you all............AS IT SHOULD because I should be the final say!!!!!!!!

L-burna................Now now, justification of your rampant theft of movies is NOT AN ACT OF INTEGRITY. By the way............How many DVDs do you OWN? I'm guessing 5.

But I'm also guessing you POSSESS 500 movies.


HA HA HA HA HA HA


Varnull.........Amilee?? What the Hell is that?? Not even in IMDB. Trainspotting is good, Ronin is ok and boring and Kill Bill parts 1 and 2 were theatrically and cinematically VERY SIMILAR.

But I see a pattern here, you like flicks that are obscure because somehow you feel offended and feel like a 'sheeple' follower when you enjoy movies that most others do to. I call that a complex problem. See a psych, as he/she can help with that. There is truly nothing wrong with enjoying what most others do. Perhaps you would REALLY like to separate yourself from the rest of the world and change the color of your blood, or become a lunatic mass/serial killer. Then you won't be labeled as "one of the crowd of followers". Poor you.

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I own more than 5 and they are ten times better than batman.I said it before and I will say it again I don't have to steal garbage.By the way pirates will always exist even after you pass away,so go jump back on the industry wrinkle stick instead of accusing people of actions they are not doing.I can name some that have been made in 5 years that are alright,but nothing in the category of greatest movie ever.If you want to see good movies watch these movies Seven,Platoon,Casualties of War,Full Metal Jacket,Scarface,The Godfather,Goodfellas,Casino,Raging Bull,Point Break,Force 10 from Navarone etc...I could keep going with movies that are better than batman that I own,and the list I mentioned are old movies by the way.The movies are not about a little nutter running around in his tights,but actually have a plot to them.Hollywood doesn't have anything that is interesting like they use to.The only movies I can think of off the top of my head that I thought are somewhat decent in the past 5 years or so are 300(good movie),Saw(its not really great,but it does have some creativity),The Passion of the Christ and hmmm...I'm stumped what is a good movie they released in the past 5 years or so,and no superheroes or some childish BS like batman.I can name probably more movies made in the past 5 years that I will never watch,and if you think they are producing great titles then something is wrong with you.Hollywood is targeting a younger audience now so this is the main reason why the movies suck.

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Hmmm.........pattern here as well; war movies, killing, not much in the way of imagination in war flicks......as they are whole-heartedly based on truth or actual events. Good movies, you're right but your blatant display of lack of imagination (except your invisible friend I'm sure you have) by listing off a slew of THEATRICALLY SIMILAR flicks makes me have to say................YOU ARE NOW PROHIBITED FROM PASSING AN OPINION ON MOVIES AND HAVE FORFEITED YOUR RIGHT TO SUGGEST ANY TO OTHERS.........REASON: BAD TASTE ON 50% (That's an 'F' in school, remember)! HE HE HE

And frankly, all those who complain about "Hollywood producing crap so therefore I'm going to justify my rampant stealing of movies, because Hollywood is making crap".............I'd like to see you do better! I'm confident you couldn't, wouldn't, can't and won't. And the simple fact is IT'S NOT "HOLLYWOOD" PUTTING OUT GARBAGE, Hollywood is not a club or just 1 person. You saying that is lame and suggests that EVERY SINGLE DIRECTOR,PRODUCER, WRITER stinks. Hollywood is not a conspiracy, never was never will be. I'm guessing you think the U.S. government hired Bin Laden to orchestrate 9/11 and that there really wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon because "WHERE ARE THE PIECES". Sheesh.....I'm done beating my head against a brick wall.

In short, a few select individuals who generally can see the "big picture" in life, including MYSELF have opinions that take precedent over all others. Perhaps you and many others will be fortunate enough to get an invitation to join my club of ELITE DECISION MAKERS.............probably not.

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Originally posted by lynchGOP:

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I'm glad my opinion matters to you all............AS IT SHOULD because I should be the final say!!!!!!!!

L-burna................Now now, justification of your rampant theft of movies is NOT AN ACT OF INTEGRITY. By the way............How many DVDs do you OWN? I'm guessing 5.

But I'm also guessing you POSSESS 500 movies.


HA HA HA HA HA HA


Varnull.........Amilee?? What the Hell is that?? Not even in IMDB. Trainspotting is good, Ronin is ok and boring and Kill Bill parts 1 and 2 were theatrically and cinematically VERY SIMILAR.

But I see a pattern here, you like flicks that are obscure because somehow you feel offended and feel like a 'sheeple' follower when you enjoy movies that most others do to. I call that a complex problem. See a psych, as he/she can help with that. There is truly nothing wrong with enjoying what most others do. Perhaps you would REALLY like to separate yourself from the rest of the world and change the color of your blood, or become a lunatic mass/serial killer. Then you won't be labeled as "one of the crowd of followers". Poor you.

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I own more than 5 and they are ten times better than batman.I said it before and I will say it again I don't have to steal garbage.By the way pirates will always exist even after you pass away,so go jump back on the industry wrinkle stick instead of accusing people of actions they are not doing.I can name some that have been made in 5 years that are alright,but nothing in the category of greatest movie ever.If you want to see good movies watch these movies Seven,Platoon,Casualties of War,Full Metal Jacket,Scarface,The Godfather,Goodfellas,Casino,Raging Bull,Point Break,Force 10 from Navarone etc...I could keep going with movies that are better than batman that I own,and the list I mentioned are old movies by the way.The movies are not about a little nutter running around in his tights,but actually have a plot to them.Hollywood doesn't have anything that is interesting like they use to.The only movies I can think of off the top of my head that I thought are somewhat decent in the past 5 years or so are 300(good movie),Saw(its not really great,but it does have some creativity),The Passion of the Christ and hmmm...I'm stumped what is a good movie they released in the past 5 years or so,and no superheroes or some childish BS like batman.I can name probably more movies made in the past 5 years that I will never watch,and if you think they are producing great titles then something is wrong with you.Hollywood is targeting a younger audience now so this is the main reason why the movies suck.

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Hmmm.........pattern here as well; war movies, killing, not much in the way of imagination in war flicks......as they are whole-heartedly based on truth or actual events. Good movies, you're right but your blatant display of lack of imagination (except your invisible friend I'm sure you have) by listing off a slew of THEATRICALLY SIMILAR flicks makes me have to say................YOU ARE NOW PROHIBITED FROM PASSING AN OPINION ON MOVIES AND HAVE FORFEITED YOUR RIGHT TO SUGGEST ANY TO OTHERS.........REASON: BAD TASTE ON 50% (That's an 'F' in school, remember)! HE HE HE

And frankly, all those who complain about "Hollywood producing crap so therefore I'm going to justify my rampant stealing of movies, because Hollywood is making crap".............I'd like to see you do better! I'm confident you couldn't, wouldn't, can't and won't. And the simple fact is IT'S NOT "HOLLYWOOD" PUTTING OUT GARBAGE, Hollywood is not a club or just 1 person. You saying that is lame and suggests that EVERY SINGLE DIRECTOR,PRODUCER, WRITER stinks. Hollywood is not a conspiracy, never was never will be. I'm guessing you think the U.S. government hired Bin Laden to orchestrate 9/11 and that there really wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon because "WHERE ARE THE PIECES". Sheesh.....I'm done beating my head against a brick wall.

In short, a few select individuals who generally can see the "big picture" in life, including MYSELF have opinions that take precedent over all others. Perhaps you and many others will be fortunate enough to get an invitation to join my club of ELITE DECISION MAKERS.............probably not.

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You probably don't like the movies I listed,because it takes more thought.I didn't just list war movies although most war movies are closer to the truth than lets say superheroes.Lets face it you like little kids movies with no real plot to them.I think every movie I listed has more thought put into them than batman will ever have.I don't see how you can actually say batman is better,and your club or whatever it is sounds like a bunch of preschoolers.Once again you show how young you are by creating some made up club.I wonder what you will say next is it something like I can't come to your birthday party.In your statement you pretty much contradict yourself first of all you say the movies I like have no imagination and are pretty much based on truth therefore I couldn't create an imaginary friend.I don't know where 9/11 came into play here,but that is pretty much in space just like your warped thoughts on the subject.If batman is the only movie you can think of then yeah I will have to take it as Hollywood is producing crap.Its alright lynchGOP when you go watch your movies from now on I will make sure I get you a baby sitter to tag along with you.I don't know maybe its just me,but I actually think you went out and bought some batman undies or something so ridiculous only a child would do.

wow hasn't this descended into a right mud slinging competition.

piracy is not going anywhere, it has always been here and will always be here, the provisions that the MPAA took had little effect on releases of pirated versions as they were all over the web before the film screened.

It's complete rhetoric from Darcy Antonellis to make out that tighter restrictions and the destruction of our liberties is a benefit to protect the profits of the movie industry. The worrying part is that governments are seeming to agree.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200...ret-treaty.html

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Canada seeks industry, not consumer input on secret treaty
ACTA, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement being negotiated by wealthy nations, continues to make headlines due the secrecy surrounding its drafting. Despite the fact that the agreement may include provisions like ISP filtering that are likely to affect huge numbers of people, no draft of the treaty is available. What's worse, there appears to be a worrying trend among governments to consult early and often with copyright holders and only later let the public in on the action.
That appears to be especially true in Canada, where law professor Michael Geist found that the government had put together a group of "insiders" to advise on the treaty. Included, of course, were representatives of the recording, video game, and movie businesses; not included were privacy representatives, NGOs, or digital society groups.
A previously leaked RIAA memo showed that Big Content has been leaning on negotiators for months, too

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Maybe Hollywood should concentrate on the part of that equation where the movies don't suck, rather than the part where people find out how bad they are.

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Right on Vurbal!

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Originally posted by atomicxl:

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I still don't see whats so great about the Dark Knight. Its a comic book movie. They covered up all the violence with slapstick humor so that it seemed light hearted (saturday morning cartoons do that all the time... nothing new or innovative about that, plus people act like they've never heard of dark humor before), it still had tons of bad comic movie one liners and jokes.

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Did you even SEE this movie? That is totally not at all what this movie is like. Are you sure you didn't go see "Batman & Robin" by mistake?

You're totally allowed to dislike the movie, but don't misrepresent the film as some buffoon'ish slapstick comedy full of one-liners and jokes, Or even a dark comedy. That's 100% inaccurate.
And then claim anyone that enjoied the movie has no taste (as if your taste is the only that matters) as your defense.
It's obvious you have no idea what the hell kind of movie you were watching if you thought The Dark Knight was "light-hearted".

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The joker asks a guy if he wants to see a magic trick and then slams his head on a pencil. Half the theater shrieked and the other half laughed. Then he walks out with his hands on some grenades saying, "lets not blow this out of proportion". Oh, thats dark and gritty.

He blows up an empty hospital (I guess reminding people of Oklahoma City was too much) while wearing a nurse's costume (because i'm sure the nurse dress was so good of a disguise that it made security ignore his makeup). Not only that, when he blows it up they throw in a gag about the detonator acting funny. The guy blew up a hospital, but the audience was laughing.

One of the darker scenes was goofballed out by a fat man gag of a guy with a bomb in his stomach. The only things I felt were dark was the scene with Joker and Rachael at the benefit dinner and Two-Face with the Gordon family.

People are like, "Dark Knight is one of the darkest films ever made." "There are monologues, so its the best movie ever made". I actually read a review (It was either IGN or some news paper... maybe the Atlanta Journal-Constitution), which really tainted me btw, that said it was like Silence of the Lambs with Batman. So I went in expecting that and got comic book one-liners (yes, the entire bank sequence up until joker pulls off his mask is filled with lame one liners and goofiness). To go in expecting that and getting constant jokes and dark humor... I was disappointed, but I still give it an A- cuz it wasn't bad, but it wasn't mindblowingly good either. But i've seen alot of movies in a lot of genres.

"Dog Bites Man and Cops Say Drug Laws Have Ended Drug Use. Film at 11."

So what they're saying is, "Ninety-nine percent of our movies suck. We don't want people to know that until it's too late. Thanks to our 'screw-the-consumer' technology and non-governmental, unconstitutional stormtrooper tactics we've ripped off millions of their hard-earned dollars. Yay!"

Holy crazy execs Batman, I think they've lost the plot.

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Holy crazy execs Batman, I think they've lost the plot.

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It's Hollywierd, Bubba.
Plot is irrelevant.
You just follow the formula:
1 -trendy director (trendy is defined as anyone mentioned on E! within the last week);
1 - trendy lead male (see above);
1- script of last year's blockbuster hit with the names changed;
10 - rewritten lines of hack dialogue from said script, one of which must sound good in a preview;
1 - (or more) of the obligatory stereotypes - lovable drunk, gay romance, one-sided social commentary based on infantile view of the world, pure-as-the-driven-snow-Muslim, interracial romance, wisecracking female, religious or conservative character to be derided or killed.

Mix in a blender along with multimillion dollar ad campaign and a liter of barf.
Serve chilled, at $15 a glass.

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Originally posted by Bubba1982:

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Holy crazy execs Batman, I think they've lost the plot.

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It's Hollywierd, Bubba.
Plot is irrelevant.
You just follow the formula:
1 -trendy director (trendy is defined as anyone mentioned on E! within the last week);
1 - trendy lead male (see above);
1- script of last year's blockbuster hit with the names changed;
10 - rewritten lines of hack dialogue from said script, one of which must sound good in a preview;
1 - (or more) of the obligatory stereotypes - lovable drunk, gay romance, one-sided social commentary based on infantile view of the world, pure-as-the-driven-snow-Muslim, interracial romance, wisecracking female, religious or conservative character to be derided or killed.

Mix in a blender along with multimillion dollar ad campaign and a liter of barf.
Serve chilled, at $15 a glass.

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come on give it some credit for not sucking :P

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Originally posted by mspurloc:

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Originally posted by Bubba1982:

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Holy crazy execs Batman, I think they've lost the plot.

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It's Hollywierd, Bubba.
Plot is irrelevant.
You just follow the formula:
1 -trendy director (trendy is defined as anyone mentioned on E! within the last week);
1 - trendy lead male (see above);
1- script of last year's blockbuster hit with the names changed;
10 - rewritten lines of hack dialogue from said script, one of which must sound good in a preview;
1 - (or more) of the obligatory stereotypes - lovable drunk, gay romance, one-sided social commentary based on infantile view of the world, pure-as-the-driven-snow-Muslim, interracial romance, wisecracking female, religious or conservative character to be derided or killed.

Mix in a blender along with multimillion dollar ad campaign and a liter of barf.
Serve chilled, at $15 a glass.

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come on give it some credit for not sucking :P

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I was REALLY looking forward to it, and enjoyed it right up until the point where they tried to ram some simpleton's idea of biting social commentary down my throat. And it's just my opinion, but I think Maggie Gylenhall has oral dysentery. Still, it didn't suck. It's pretty hard to screw up Batman as long as you respect the character and don't involve George Looney or disco costumes.

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I own more than 5 and they are ten times better than batman.I said it before and I will say it again I don't have to steal garbage.By the way pirates will always exist even after you pass away,so go jump back on the industry wrinkle stick instead of accusing people of actions they are not doing.I can name some that have been made in 5 years that are alright,but nothing in the category of greatest movie ever.If you want to see good movies watch these movies Seven,Platoon,Casualties of War,Full Metal Jacket,Scarface,The Godfather,Goodfellas,Casino,Raging Bull,Point Break,Force 10 from Navarone etc...I could keep going with movies that are better than batman that I own,and the list I mentioned are old movies by the way.The movies are not about a little nutter running around in his tights,but actually have a plot to them.Hollywood doesn't have anything that is interesting like they use to.The only movies I can think of off the top of my head that I thought are somewhat decent in the past 5 years or so are 300(good movie),Saw(its not really great,but it does have some creativity),The Passion of the Christ and hmmm...I'm stumped what is a good movie they released in the past 5 years or so,and no superheroes or some childish BS like batman.I can name probably more movies made in the past 5 years that I will never watch,and if you think they are producing great titles then something is wrong with you.Hollywood is targeting a younger audience now so this is the main reason why the movies suck.

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I'm sorry, but I have a hard time taking you seriously when you say that seven, 300, and saw are good movies. Yes I have seen those three, and I wish I had those hours of my life back from seven and saw, 300 was alright only because it was based on real life events but if that battle never happened and they made a movie about it, it would be the biggest load of bull I had ever seen.

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oh please...lets be truthful. what caused the success of this movie was Heath Ledger's death and morbid curiosity. 'nuff said.

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I own more than 5 and they are ten times better than batman.I said it before and I will say it again I don't have to steal garbage.By the way pirates will always exist even after you pass away,so go jump back on the industry wrinkle stick instead of accusing people of actions they are not doing.I can name some that have been made in 5 years that are alright,but nothing in the category of greatest movie ever.If you want to see good movies watch these movies Seven,Platoon,Casualties of War,Full Metal Jacket,Scarface,The Godfather,Goodfellas,Casino,Raging Bull,Point Break,Force 10 from Navarone etc...I could keep going with movies that are better than batman that I own,and the list I mentioned are old movies by the way.The movies are not about a little nutter running around in his tights,but actually have a plot to them.Hollywood doesn't have anything that is interesting like they use to.The only movies I can think of off the top of my head that I thought are somewhat decent in the past 5 years or so are 300(good movie),Saw(its not really great,but it does have some creativity),The Passion of the Christ and hmmm...I'm stumped what is a good movie they released in the past 5 years or so,and no superheroes or some childish BS like batman.I can name probably more movies made in the past 5 years that I will never watch,and if you think they are producing great titles then something is wrong with you.Hollywood is targeting a younger audience now so this is the main reason why the movies suck.

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I'm sorry, but I have a hard time taking you seriously when you say that seven, 300, and saw are good movies. Yes I have seen those three, and I wish I had those hours of my life back from seven and saw, 300 was alright only because it was based on real life events but if that battle never happened and they made a movie about it, it would be the biggest load of bull I had ever seen.

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Fair enough I never said Saw was a great movie,but it does have some creativity.I don't think Seven was bad at all,and if you wasted your time on batman then Seven would have been ten times better in my opinion.The movie 300 is partially true,and alot of it came from a comic book if that is hard to believe.I'm not going to say I like all my movies based on truth,but I would rather watch something more mature instead of the movies I've seen come out recently.

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oh please...lets be truthful. what caused the success of this movie was Heath Ledger's death and morbid curiosity. 'nuff said.

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I have seen all the batman films and can only stand 3 and I half like another, you could say DK got a 30% boost from ledgers death, but before that it was still a huge block buster.

Why is everyone beating on TDK so much? It was a good movie and is a comic book movie I can take seriously, I havn't seen a movie like it, not to mention it was good entertainment, if not critically worthy of praise. Also, Spiderman 3 isn't as bad as everyone makes it to be, it's just not as good as Spiderman 2, I thought it was on par with Spiderman(1). Hollywood, I agree, is not resealing too many good movies recently, but they still have good ones. when you watch a movie, watch it as a viewer, not a reviewer. for example, 300 wasn't critically amazing, but it was damn good entertainment. Some of you won't agree with me, but everyone is entitled to their opinion, so don;t bash this comment around, as well as any others.