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Sony sued over Blu-ray patents, again

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 30 Aug 2008 14:47 User comments (15)

Sony sued over Blu-ray patents, again Sony is at the heart of another Blu-ray patent lawsuit, this time by Orinda Intellectual Properties USA.
According to an August 20th court filing, Orinda is claiming that Sony infringed on patent 5,438,560 which is a patent pertaining to different methods of recording and reproducing information via Blu-ray optical discs.

Orinda made sure that all subsidiaries of Sony were included in the suit, including Sony Electronics, Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Computer Entertainment America.

Orinda wants a full injunction on manufacturing, sales and distribution of Sony Blu-ray standalones, computer drives and the PlayStation 3. Orinda also wants royalty payments.

"Orinda has been and will continue to be damaged as a result of Defendants' infringing conduct," the company said in the filing. "Defendants' infringing conduct will continue unless permanently enjoined by this court."

Last May, Sony was sued in a similar fashion by Target Technology but the suit was eventually thrown out.

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130.8.2008 17:34

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Orinda wants a full injunction on manufacturing, sales and distribution of Sony Blu-ray standalones, computer drives and the PlayStation 3. Orinda also wants royalty payments.

Everyone wants free money.
Like they are REALLY going to stop the global manufacturing of Blu-Ray players by every electronics brand on the planet as well as stop the building of PS3's just to make these assclowns happy. Get real.

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Last May, Sony was sued in a similar fashion by Target Technology by the suit was eventually thrown out
As will this one too. I seriously hope it's after Orinda Intellectual Properties USA gets it's balls in really, really deep in debt with their lawyers in legal fees first.
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230.8.2008 18:29
japhy
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Got to love the patent trolls.

PLEASE we need patent reform. So stupid things like this that were developed independently don't have to deal with patent trolls

331.8.2008 8:52

does the "Intelectual properties" in the name mean they don't actually make anything ?

41.9.2008 15:15

Originally posted by beanos66:
does the "Intelectual properties" in the name mean they don't actually make anything ?
It means they bought the patent rights of some little company that tanked and now years after the company folded they are resurrecting patents that should be considered common place or common works or whatever the term is in patentese. They are making millions of the sweat of other people much like the recording industry does to artists.

51.9.2008 15:17

uh, didn't sony invent blu-ray. how would this company have the patents

61.9.2008 16:48

Thats a misinformation Sony Did not invent Blu-ray, they had a stake in its invention Much like MS had a stake in HD-DVD.

Also as much as i hate Sony way's, i despise the patent system even more so.

intellectual property is just that Patenting an Idea, which should not be aloud, it should be you can patient a product only, intellectual property patent should only remain in effect of 1 month until you can provide a product to patient with your idea. after 1 month and you do not have a product to show for the patent should be wiped and have a 6 month grace period before the patent can be reapplied.

but thats not how it work, i could patent that if a baby is born with the head tilted to the right, i can receive a royalty for every baby born looking toward the right make up some retarded name for it and patent the name then im done.

kinda like ADHD and ADD you know those are prime medical terms of patent system failure. Those terms only accomplish 2 thing Holding people back with ADHD & ADD, and using drugs to effect mental Regiment
of people labeled with those terms.

71.9.2008 17:12
waycoluis
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G wiz sony has really been in the heat lately

first it seems to be all the leaks they incorperate into the psp that allow for the system to be hacked, second compatibilitys made by sony via psp firmwares 1.50 and 1.51 that allow a almost universal compatibility of playing game ISOs directly off the memory stick. Third making the PSP to be used with unsigned code via pandoria or Tool (battery exploit) also using the same format in the UMD games that is used with a standerd DVD rom drive. (thats right UMD is another word for tiny DVD rom) Fifth using and out right steeling the Patent rights to BLUE RAY?

HEY SONY IF YOU ARE LISTENING>.... HELLO! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!!!!

I mean how hard is it to cover a few exploits. seems you frown on the hacker trying to hack his/her own system yet you seem to enploy those that would DELIBERATLY make these exploits in your own factory!!


Heres a help!

ONE dont steel US PATENTS!!!!!

to if you dont want an indvidual to use a particular format try a file encrypter. and make games require a hidden security password.
also change the formats to one that is not curently in use. forth if it is written in LUA or C++ sombody is going to edventually hack it!!!

but if your on the verge of bankruptcy twenty million others would thank you for the help Your Help in finding aproxx 7+ ways to hack the psp.

come on!!! battery is UNSIGENED TO USE TOOL!!!! (0xFFFFFFFF) change it if you have a problem it is because you dont that every one is scared to do buisness with you seeing bankruptcy in your future.

You are as GUILTY of allowing theese hacks as thoughs you accuse of making them.

I mean why not change the name of the PSP to PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

perfect example is the X box uses an x86 compatible 633-733 mhz processor and no one has manipulated this system to be any thing other then an X-BOX yet it DOES use a PC processor.

yet a kid can throw a battery severe one pin and WAMO you have a back door into a PSP!!!

AS GUILTY AS THOSE YOU ACCUSE AND MORE!!!!

and even worse to use BLUE RAY in many machines KNOWING FULL WELL YOU HAD INFRINGED IN THE PATENT RIGHTS OF THE INVENTOR????

People have a right to modify any thing they own wether it is using an old TV for target practice, changing a lamp into a flower vase, or making an electronic item do something that the company had origionaly intended.

Nintendo never had these problems and still dont yet they have used unsigned games in almost every game they made!!!!! Maby it is because they go with the flow!!!! and adding the touchscreen to the DS to make perfect emulation of the new games practily inpossible!!
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Injunction means they get a hand in the manufacers wallet for all things using the BLUE RAY DISK foramt, even though they do not manufacter the BLUE RAY drives. this can be possible because the inventor got a patent for the IDEA of a blue ray drive and the technology was stolen by the sony manufacturer using the inventors ideas. (probily from his own pattent taken off the us pattent offices web sight of listed US pattents and is AS BAD AS HACKING ANOTHERS MACHINE AS WELL AS ILLIGEL in essence the inventor could sue for the entire sony company!, sony is lucking out that all they are being sued for is a small royalty percential of each BLUE RAY item sold.)

81.9.2008 17:12
waycoluis
Inactive

G wiz sony has really been in the heat lately

first it seems to be all the leaks they incorperate into the psp that allow for the system to be hacked, second compatibilitys made by sony via psp firmwares 3.50 and 3.51 that allow a almost universal compatibility of playing game ISOs directly off the memory stick. Third making the PSP to be used with unsigned code via pandoria or Tool (battery exploit) also using the same format in the UMD games that is used with a standerd DVD rom drive. (thats right UMD is another word for tiny DVD rom) Fifth using and out right steeling the Patent rights to BLUE RAY?

HEY SONY IF YOU ARE LISTENING>.... HELLO! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!!!!

I mean how hard is it to cover a few exploits. seems you frown on the hacker trying to hack his/her own system yet you seem to enploy those that would DELIBERATLY make these exploits in your own factory!!


Heres a help!

ONE dont steel US PATENTS!!!!!

to if you dont want an indvidual to use a particular format try a file encrypter. and make games require a hidden security password.
also change the formats to one that is not curently in use. forth if it is written in LUA or C++ sombody is going to edventually hack it!!!

but if your on the verge of bankruptcy twenty million others would thank you for the help Your Help in finding aproxx 7+ ways to hack the psp.

come on!!! battery is UNSIGENED TO USE TOOL!!!! (0xFFFFFFFF) change it if you have a problem it is because you dont that every one is scared to do buisness with you seeing bankruptcy in your future.

You are as GUILTY of allowing theese hacks as thoughs you accuse of making them.

I mean why not change the name of the PSP to PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

perfect example is the X box uses an x86 compatible 633-733 mhz processor and no one has manipulated this system to be any thing other then an X-BOX yet it DOES use a PC processor.

yet a kid can throw a battery severe one pin and WAMO you have a back door into a PSP!!!

AS GUILTY AS THOSE YOU ACCUSE AND MORE!!!!

and even worse to use BLUE RAY in many machines KNOWING FULL WELL YOU HAD INFRINGED IN THE PATENT RIGHTS OF THE INVENTOR????

People have a right to modify any thing they own wether it is using an old TV for target practice, changing a lamp into a flower vase, or making an electronic item do something that the company had origionaly intended.

Nintendo never had these problems and still dont yet they have used unsigned games in almost every game they made!!!!! Maby it is because they go with the flow!!!! and adding the touchscreen to the DS to make perfect emulation of the new games practily inpossible!!
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Injunction means they get a hand in the manufacers wallet for all things using the BLUE RAY DISK foramt, even though they do not manufacter the BLUE RAY drives. this can be possible because the inventor got a patent for the IDEA of a blue ray drive and the technology was stolen by the sony manufacturer using the inventors ideas. (probily from his own pattent taken off the us pattent offices web sight of listed US pattents and is AS BAD AS HACKING ANOTHERS MACHINE AS WELL AS ILLIGEL in essence the inventor could sue for the entire sony company!, sony is lucking out that all they are being sued for is a small royalty percential of each BLUE RAY item sold.)

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91.9.2008 17:42

(@waycoluis) the US patent system is so f*cked up right now it ain't funny. why don't you make a Something have your blood and sweat poured into something, some company sues you to get some revenue off your product, only to find that the idea not a solid product was patented by them. can u sit there and say screw Sony, if it was you you wouldn't be saying that.

there a multi billion dollar company sure, but they cant help if the us patent system is so Screwed up.

Don't give me an idea to patent give me a product to do with.

101.9.2008 18:09
waycoluis
Inactive

Originally posted by DXR88:
(@waycoluis) the US patent system is so f*cked up right now it ain't funny. why don't you make a Something have your blood and sweat poured into something, some company sues you to get some revenue off your product, only to find that the idea not a solid product was patented by them. can u sit there and say screw Sony, if it was you you wouldn't be saying that.

there a multi billion dollar company sure, but they cant help if the us patent system is so Screwed up.

Don't give me an idea to patent give me a product to do with.
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WAYCOLUIS SAYS:

us patent office lists patents not that they can be stolen but rather so the ideas can be purchesed and as it stands I AM AN INVENTOR!!!! Sony looked up the idea to BLUE RAY and Stiffed the inventor of his/her rights to market the idea. in aspects if sony wanted to use BLUE RAY they should have proposed a contract with the inventor to use his/her patent every other company that uses the BLUE RAY technology would and the contracts are usaly a small percintial of the products retail value payed to the inventor of the said product. truth is sony could have leagely gotten around this if the company had made an inprovement to the idea or modified to make better the inventors patent. this is how I have made some of my inventions get a basic IDEA and inprove upon it and submit a patent

IE batterys and there chemestrys: carbon zinc vs lithum ion.

carbon zinc battery is a battery and so is the lithium ion but the carbon zinc battery can not be recharged the lithium ion can hold far more power in the same size weigh less and is rechargible

and in another example glasses vs bi focal's

112.9.2008 12:27

You still don't know where im coming from, in patenting an idea you stifle the inventors Market, with an idea not a product.

Sony Made it they have a working product, using her/his idea's. patenting an idea like patenting thin air. there's no market in idea's only lawsuits.

To many products are idea's, not even on the market. Mr/s Orinda Owes me cash for stifling competition and destroying the inventors market.

122.9.2008 12:38
varnull
Inactive

I really hope they sue the crap out of sony, who do more of this stifling of innovation by anti-competitive motives (remember sandisk?) And keep on and on and on like the big businesses do to smaller competitors rightly or wrongly. Lots of small software companies have been killed by malicious and flawed lawsuits from the big boys which they couldn't afford to defend themselves from.

http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/index.html



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132.9.2008 17:47
waycoluis
Inactive

Originally posted by DXR88:
You still don't know where im coming from, in patenting an idea you stifle the inventors Market, with an idea not a product.

Sony Made it they have a working product, using her/his idea's. patenting an idea like patenting thin air. there's no market in idea's only lawsuits.

To many products are idea's, not even on the market. Mr/s Orinda Owes me cash for stifling competition and destroying the inventors market.
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WAYCOLUIS SAYS:
OK, now I see where you are coming from.

your right in the fact that the product dont necessacerly have to work to get a patent, but if indeed that is the case, the $3000 - $15,000 they spend on a non functionial patent will be lost, and the one who modifies that idea can then submit the plans to a patent using the modifications that inventor "B" came up with to make that patent work and get his/her own patent all you need is two or more claims of the changes in the patent you used to get it to work.

also it is up to the technition of larger electronics corps to test wether the IDEAs are fesable to use in there product or not and if the patent is for a bogus product it is going to be difficult to try to manfucture that bogus product into an item of quality seeing it cant technicaly work.

I do agree with you to a small extent on that, one should only submit patents that have been proven to work.

this would keep bogus products from appearing.

a good example of bogus products that have made there way to the market and never should have is the cell phone antana sticker that claims to boost range.
as well the rid-x product that is truly an over glorified night light
(it dont have any effect in repelling pests at ALL)
but you do have a not so aware public that puts faith and swares that they do work (placibo effect?)

in all truth these inventions should have never hit the market as well as in being sued for false product advertising.

another problem I my self expierence is with batterys actualy holding their listed capicity. yet the general public would buy one that holds ten percent of raited capicity and sware it was holding its full potential being non the wiser. This is what hurts the moderen inventor the most I think.

I agree fully in that aspect, products should be tested to see if they function proir to being patented...or sold.......

will be looking forward to your next post and opions on this subject.

ps. I think the people that are sueing sony had the first working blue ray disk as well as drives they were a small company that was working with the technology and inproving upon it since sonys release
of blue ray other companys have inproved upon it making the dual layers up to 20 layers in thickness raising the data storage efectively from 40-50 GB to 200+ GB. the original inventors may have also been working on this to perfect it for a final release.

who realy knows how many data layers can be used.

the blue ray technology is a work of genious actualy using a holigraphic image to store thousands of times the data where a single bit would have been on a cd or dvd disk.

target also sued sony a while back on a similar subject claiming that a protective surface that was invented by them found their ways into BLUE RAY disk without there permissions. and the psp SKYPE calling feature is also stolen from a psp homebrew coder that was under the free GPL (general public licence) copy right. All they did was change the name! The first was "Furikup v0.1.12" that alowed skype calling from any SIP SERVER of your choice only playable on homebrew psp they stiffed this guy of all his hard work calling him a HACKER in the process yet he owns the originial source code and made it viewable to the general public via [url=http://dl.qj.net/Furikup-PSP-SIP-Phone-v0.1-PSP-Homebrew-Applications/pg/12/fid/15622/catid/189 ][/url] a few months later sony stole the idea and incorperated it into there psps. this guy should have the right to sue sony as well for each psp product that uses his software code with out permissions from the author. and because psps are updatable to moderen firmwares that uses the skype app this would be all psp's modern and slim that potentialy could be updated to firmwares that use this SIP program.

the sony corperation is a bunch of thieves stealing many ideas and actual products that many other people have put a lot of hard work into making or worse thinking up to make functional.

I as an inventor have run into similar problems my self as I INVENTED THE WHITE SOLAR POWERED PATHWAY LIGHTS. I had these for a year and a half before they hit the market in which they were literaly stollen from my yard hitting the market only 3 months after they were stollen.

coleman did it to me as well. I invented a lantern that used 9 watts of power and generated 60 watts worth of light. some homeless guy stole it and now the product is marketed.

and others that have been stolen that I am still waiting to hit the market!

I have an IQ of 143 and dont have a #@*& thing to show for it.

IDEAS have meaning I mean the idea for a light bulb was around before light bulb. Thomas edision found over several hundred ways to "NOT MAKE A LIGHT BULB" before he invented a version that actualy worked.

his idea was basic in princible find a wire that will not melt and will glow bright when an electrical curent is passed through, some lights were preshurized while others were in a vacume he noted that the componets used in a vacume would last longer then the ones that were in an oxygen atmosphear.

IDEAS MAKE PRODUCTS.

though in some aspects things should be reviewed to make certain the idea works before a patent is obtained. I mean all my products did work and worked rather well but as for pattents I never had the moneys to get one for there extream costs which have resulted in many of my inventions being stolen, BUT HEY I HAVE ONE IDEA THAT MIGHT BLOW YOUR SOCKS OFF AND MAKE THE HOVER CAR AND INTER STELLER SPACE TRAVEL A POSSIBILITY all I have to do is make a prototype and or get the moneys necessary to submit a patent.

another challenge though is inventing something that someone else had invented. when I was 13 I had inadverently invented an ION PROPULSION ENGINE that N.A.S.A. has been using for the past 30 years in space probes. IE. VOYAGER 1.

Imagine my suprise when I saw some thing I drew in ignerence,(without the knoweledge that it was in use by nasa) on a NASA websight that they had been using for years!

this is why it is importent to patent the IDEA so someone else dont take your idea and call it theres.

if sony wanted blue ray they could have had it by simply purchising the patent rights from the inventor or by giving the inventor an agreed upon royality settlement (contract to use the patent rights of the inventors ideas or products giving an inventor a small amount of monny in percintials for the said products retail value) example
royality payments of 5 percent is $50 on a $1000 BLUE RAY PLAYER where as the $50 is payable to the inventor for the products value for each thousand doller unit sold.

and yes sony made the product but so did the small company that is sueing sony and it all came from an idea of an inventor or a group of scientiests.

these ideas are worked on to try to manufacture the product so that a product is made, or the product made by one inventor can be stollen by a thief, who claims to be the inventor though isn't!!

and the inventor sleeps in a ditch cause he never got any of the credit that was due him for his/her inventions that others stole and marketed.
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143.9.2008 12:39

i use Furikup v0.1.12 on my phat psp. i know also know how Sony does business. if i took a hex editor to there software im sure 80% would be copied or stolen from somebody else. Sony has never been a real player in the software industry so they don't no jack about it.

on another note when a company folds there patents idea's should be released,to public domain for viewing to see if anybody else wants to continue what they could not.

if they had a working product before they folded then they should get payed a fee. i will agree with that but i highly doubt it.

Sony got sued for blu-ray in the following order

first it was the laser diode

then it was the coating

now its recording methods

155.9.2008 13:15
1bonehead
Inactive

Originally posted by DXR88:

Sony got sued for blu-ray in the following order

first it was the laser diode

then it was the coating

now its recording methods

Just LOL !!!

The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.

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