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Blu-ray external drive coming very soon for Xbox 360?

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 09 Oct 2008 12:28 User comments (75)

Blu-ray external drive coming very soon for Xbox 360? According to an Xbit Labs report, the popular Xbox 360 console will be getting an external Blu-ray disc drive, and "soon."
The report says that Toshiba-Samsung Storage Technology Corp. has been contracted by Microsoft to begin manufacturing the drive and that it will sell for the cheap price of $100-150 USD, in an effort to stay competitive with the Sony PlayStation 3, which has a built-in Blu-ray drive.

Of course this isn't the first time that we have heard of Xbox 360 Blu-ray rumors but it is the first since June.

Microsoft did not comment on the report and has always maintained that their business model was geared towards digital downloads.

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75 user comments

19.10.2008 13:08

So what. Sony will always be better than Microsoft!

29.10.2008 13:10

haha, this way, that way, it will, it wont... they did approach sony for the technology a while back, then liteon and then something..uknown happens.. and it wont and they tell us the future of contents online...gosh they have changed their stance on this more times than a person standing on an ant hill.

Well i guess there light at te end of the tunnel for the 360 users, but will it be BD+ compatible?

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39.10.2008 13:27
atomicxl
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I'll buy this day one. I haven't purchased a DVD movie since Blu-Ray and HD-DVD came out cuz I knew eventually i'd get a player and i'd rather pay for quality than spend money on crummy version.

$100-$150 is a more than reasonable price.

49.10.2008 13:29

I think Sony had the right idea of what was needed in this gen's console which MS lacked on its Xbox360. People can disagree with me but face it, bit by bit MS is making Xbox360 becoming more like a PS3. PS3 is the console MS wish they made. I think MS should just forget about Blu-ray til next gen and just focus on its strongest point which is XBL.

59.10.2008 13:33

and the flamewar begins in....

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Hope everyone has their sources links ready to cut and paste!

... And lots of gas

69.10.2008 13:46

Rip off.

For $50 bucks more you could get a blu-ray WRITER!

79.10.2008 13:57

there are a crap load of people who want to get blue ray but don't have it.

I'd personally KILL for a Blu ray player on the 360.

I was going to get a stand alone for 249 wally world has on special but that's still to much for just a movie player.

however if the 360 could get it I'd hit that like a 747.

and don't even start with just get ps3 for a blu ray if i am not going to spend 249 i am defiantly not going to spend 399.

89.10.2008 14:03

Originally posted by Aeikozz:
there are a crap load of people who want to get blue ray but don't have it.

I'd personally KILL for a Blu ray player on the 360.

I was going to get a stand alone for 249 wally world has on special but that's still to much for just a movie player.

however if the 360 could get it I'd hit that like a 747.

and don't even start with just get ps3 for a blu ray if i am not going to spend 249 i am defiantly not going to spend 399.

The PS3 is not just a Blu Player so the 399 price is well worth it.

99.10.2008 14:53

Hope this is true. I'd be interested in buying one. Then maybe a writer, though I'm not sure, maybe when prices of BR-Rs come down.

109.10.2008 15:15

Personally I don't get why this is causing a flame war, maybe idiots saying 'the PS3 is the consol M$ always wanted to make', might start it, but it clearly isn't. If they wanted to make a PS3, then they'd have made one. Instead they concentrated on the gaming side, with an amazing games library and great online.

Facts: 360 does have the better games library, peopel can't deny it!

PS3 is the more future advanced console! Fact!

They each have different markets, if you liek the occassional game and want a BR player you buy the PS3. If you want a great games library, good online and an upconverter, you buy a 360!

With 360 now having a BR drive it doesn't make it like a PS3. I wont play BR games; only movies! It gives the consumer the option and possibly makes the PS3 seem a little less attractive as it has lost probably its only key selling point!

Enjoy your flame war. This is good for competition, I'm glad 360 has a BR addon. It means the market will be more competitive!

119.10.2008 16:38

Originally posted by MrXenu:
Personally I don't get why this is causing a flame war, maybe idiots saying 'the PS3 is the consol M$ always wanted to make', might start it, but it clearly isn't. If they wanted to make a PS3, then they'd have made one. Instead they concentrated on the gaming side, with an amazing games library and great online.

Facts: 360 does have the better games library, peopel can't deny it!

PS3 is the more future advanced console! Fact!

They each have different markets, if you liek the occassional game and want a BR player you buy the PS3. If you want a great games library, good online and an upconverter, you buy a 360!

With 360 now having a BR drive it doesn't make it like a PS3. I wont play BR games; only movies! It gives the consumer the option and possibly makes the PS3 seem a little less attractive as it has lost probably its only key selling point!

Enjoy your flame war. This is good for competition, I'm glad 360 has a BR addon. It means the market will be more competitive!


Very well said but im sure someone will attack your opinion

129.10.2008 17:32

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Originally posted by Aeikozz:
there are a crap load of people who want to get blue ray but don't have it.

I'd personally KILL for a Blu ray player on the 360.

I was going to get a stand alone for 249 wally world has on special but that's still to much for just a movie player.

however if the 360 could get it I'd hit that like a 747.

and don't even start with just get ps3 for a blu ray if i am not going to spend 249 i am defiantly not going to spend 399.

The PS3 is not just a Blu Player so the 399 price is well worth it.

In the US, most games are on both consoles. There are really only a handful of exclusives for each console. So if you already have one console, then there is no real purpose of getting the other console. Not untill more exclusives come out. Even if a person were to say the price difference is justified, that doesn't mean that person can afford to pay that price difference. People get impatient, they don't want to wait. $100-$150 is not much. But $400 for a Blu-ray player (ps3) that does the same exact shit as the console he already has, is not worth it. You'd be paying a difference of $250-$300 just for the difference in exclusives. That's a pretty damn steep price difference.

139.10.2008 18:05

ahhhhhhh the flames!! Ahhhhhhh !

149.10.2008 18:06

Considering Sony owns a large portion of Bluray technology. This only means that for every Bluray player Microsoft is able to sell, Sony will get a portion of the profits. So all the 360 owners who hate Sony, be prepared to throw them your money.

159.10.2008 18:43

Before this gets out of hand let's keep it on topic about the 360 and a possible rumor of a BD add-on. K, Thanx.


169.10.2008 19:02

Personally I think Blu Ray took too long to win the format war. I don't see it lasting as long as DVD has. What maybe another 5 years or something? At the rate and pricing that storage space is moving I wouldn't be surprised if we started getting media on flash drives or just DLing them and storing them on some mass storage device.

179.10.2008 20:11

Originally posted by Bad8511:
So what. Sony will always be better than Microsoft!
This is the deepest, most thought out comment i have ever read. True fanboyism in the flesh.


On topic, i think this is a good move for Microsoft. I probably wont invest in one too soon b/c i dont buy movies. Well, at least i wont buy one untill i get a blueray burner that is. He he hee;)
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189.10.2008 20:17

I love this one, every couple of months it pops up.

So, why would Microsoft do this?

It would have nothing to do with games cos most XBox 360 owners need DVDs to operate.

So it would only be for a relative handful to watch movies using their XBox?

So, again, why would they bother?

Who's for betting nothing comes of this, again?

(and when nothing happens this time that it still pops up again in a few months time as another new rumour)

199.10.2008 20:19

we need an expert totally neutral opinion on this potential switch from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray for the X-Box - where is that guy Hugh Jars ? I miss his net neutrality :)

209.10.2008 20:29

I'm just glad to hear that it's external, that would give all those who already have an Xbox the chance to purchase this add-on, instead of just offering a new system with internal blu-ray. I'm happy with my external HD-DVD player for the xbox and already have the blu-ray player on the PS3. Wonder if this external can hook up to the PC like the HD-DVD that would make it a worthwhile purchase for my laptop. :)

219.10.2008 20:40
varnull
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Hearsay.. why the hell are Xbit labs?.. oh yeah.. something to do with chipping and flashing.

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So what. Sony will always be better than Microsoft!
Nope.. they are both exactly the same.. Global corporations with a vested interest in screwing over their customers.

229.10.2008 21:11
spamual
Inactive

some people do not like capitalism? lol

mmm the blue ray adon sounds good, but as long as it is quiet, i still hate playing dvds on my xbox, due tot he attrotious sound lol.

239.10.2008 22:46

Ixnay on the flame fodder!



249.10.2008 23:30
H08
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Originally posted by domie:
we need an expert totally neutral opinion on this potential switch from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray for the X-Box - where is that guy Hugh Jars ? I miss his net neutrality :)
hughjars? he was neutral??? On every HD-DVD And Blu-Ray News Thread he would post on how blu-ray is bad how HD-DVD is the best thing ever to exsist on earth. Ohh And Hes Been Inactive ever since blu-ray won.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10946.cfm

2510.10.2008 3:26

Personally, I think an external blu-ray drive for 360 is a waste of money, because the 360 wasn't built from the start to be a HD-multimedia device, rather a game console with a few multimedia possibilities.

The point is that while the 360 can output HD video (1080p), it can't handle HD audio (7.1 tracks). So you're actually missing out on half of the experience.

If I didn't have a PS3, I'd rather buy a standalone blu-ray player (1080p, 7.1 audio and Profile 2.0 enabled) than get this addon. What's the point in having a blu-ray collection with lots of lossless audio movies, when your player can't output the lossless audio tracks?

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2610.10.2008 6:30

I have a 7.1 set-up with a recent bitstreaming HD receiver.

Most high def (Blu or HD DVD) movies do not come with a true 7.1 audio track(s) - my receiver can matrix this but that is not the same thing.

I would say that anyone with a half-decent 5.1 set-up is not missing out on anything and in the few instances where there is a real 7.1 track you'd be pushed to tell the difference - the overall quality of your kit would be of far more importance, not the number of audio channels.

IIRC the XBox 360 HDMI connection is to the HDMI 1.2a spec.
That is good enough for the transmission of 5.1 audio up to SACD & DVD-Audio standards.
That doesn't seem to me to be a shoddy option at all.

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The add-on makes a brilliant & extremely cheap ROM drive on your PC (which is why I would like to see them bring out a Blu drive at a very inexpensive level).
I just don't see any reason for them to do it.

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2710.10.2008 6:57

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The PS3 is not just a Blu Player so the 399 price is well worth it.
I bet you have one don't you???

2810.10.2008 13:35

Interesting, though its still a rumor. I wouldn't really be surprised either way if they released one or not at this point, it would be nice to use it as a cheap bluray drive on a pc as Interestx said though the price of bluray roms are dropping rather quickly; you can find them under 100 bucks now if you look hard enough.

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The PS3 is not just a Blu Player so the 399 price is well worth it.

I bet you have one don't you???
So what if he does or doesn't? Stop trying to start a fight, this is the only console news article I've seen in a long time that hasn't turned out to be a complete flame fest and I don't want to see it ruined.
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2910.10.2008 14:46

I don't believe anything until I see it

Kinda like Midnight Club Los Angeles.

Originally posted by http://www.wikipedia.com:
It was officially announced for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on May 16, 2007 by Rockstar Games.
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3010.10.2008 14:49

I was looking at a standalone around Christmas time, $200 is the sweet spot, and I wanted BD-Live plus on board decoding for HD audio (my AV receiver will do pass-through but it can't decode)

Can anyone actually confirm that the current 360 will never be able to handle HD audio? Just like the PS3 can't bitstream HD audio.
Cause if its going to be the same as the HD DVD add-on, I'd rather get the standalone. (Or a PS3 if I find a sweet deal)

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3110.10.2008 15:00

Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
Can anyone actually confirm that the current 360 will never be able to handle HD audio?
From the now ex-MS spokesman himself:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889

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Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).
So no bitstreaming or decoding of Dolby True HD or DTS HD Master Audio - unless they change the motherboard.
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3210.10.2008 16:16

I think $100 for an external Blu-ray player for Xbox360 would be the real sweet spot for an add-on accessory. (and even add in a few bonus Blu-ray movies) At my local Wal-mart and Bestbuy, they have those cheap brand Blu-ray stand alone players for $199 and probably has more functions than this add-on if its anything similar to the HD-DVD add on Xbox360 had. I think this would do well for Sony to help spread Blu-ray.

3312.10.2008 1:58

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In the US, most games are on both consoles. There are really only a handful of exclusives for each console. So if you already have one console, then there is no real purpose of getting the other console. Not untill more exclusives come out. Even if a person were to say the price difference is justified, that doesn't mean that person can afford to pay that price difference. People get impatient, they don't want to wait. $100-$150 is not much. But $400 for a Blu-ray player (ps3) that does the same exact shit as the console he already has, is not worth it. You'd be paying a difference of $250-$300 just for the difference in exclusives. That's a pretty damn steep price difference.
Extremely bad defense right there.

Yes, $100-150 is not much.
But is the xbox 360 magically going to come to me?
$299 for the cheapest 360 (NO HDD) + $100 = $399.
Ohh look at that, the same price as a 80GB PS3.
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3412.10.2008 6:40

Quote:
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In the US, most games are on both consoles. There are really only a handful of exclusives for each console. So if you already have one console, then there is no real purpose of getting the other console. Not untill more exclusives come out. Even if a person were to say the price difference is justified, that doesn't mean that person can afford to pay that price difference. People get impatient, they don't want to wait. $100-$150 is not much. But $400 for a Blu-ray player (ps3) that does the same exact shit as the console he already has, is not worth it. You'd be paying a difference of $250-$300 just for the difference in exclusives. That's a pretty damn steep price difference.
Extremely bad defense right there.

Yes, $100-150 is not much.
But is the xbox 360 magically going to come to me?
$299 for the cheapest 360 (NO HDD) + $100 = $399.
Ohh look at that, the same price as a 80GB PS3.
Actually, the cheapest 360 is $199 not $299.

3512.10.2008 11:48

MS would be better off putting the BR drive in the 360,unlocking the HDD and thinking about getting the 360 to last another 5ish years......
Plus with alil more ramm in it the new games could use it making them run better its all win to keep the 360 going.

3613.10.2008 15:12

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Originally posted by domie:
we need an expert totally neutral opinion on this potential switch from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray for the X-Box - where is that guy Hugh Jars ? I miss his net neutrality :)
hughjars? he was neutral??? On every HD-DVD And Blu-Ray News Thread he would post on how blu-ray is bad how HD-DVD is the best thing ever to exsist on earth. Ohh And Hes Been Inactive ever since blu-ray won.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10946.cfm


please don't tell me that my very obvious low level sarcasm was lost on you ? oh boy , seems like it was ;)

3715.10.2008 0:17

Quote:
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In the US, most games are on both consoles. There are really only a handful of exclusives for each console. So if you already have one console, then there is no real purpose of getting the other console. Not untill more exclusives come out. Even if a person were to say the price difference is justified, that doesn't mean that person can afford to pay that price difference. People get impatient, they don't want to wait. $100-$150 is not much. But $400 for a Blu-ray player (ps3) that does the same exact shit as the console he already has, is not worth it. You'd be paying a difference of $250-$300 just for the difference in exclusives. That's a pretty damn steep price difference.
Extremely bad defense right there.

Yes, $100-150 is not much.
But is the xbox 360 magically going to come to me?
$299 for the cheapest 360 (NO HDD) + $100 = $399.
Ohh look at that, the same price as a 80GB PS3.
Actually, the cheapest 360 is $199 not $299.
Ohh crud!
I forgot about the price drop!
Well, depending the price of the add-on, it could be an investment, but for someone like me who hates all these extra add-ons, I would take the PS3.

3815.10.2008 5:29

Hey, what about the thousands and thousands of people who bought the failed HD-Drive for Xbox 360? Is Microsoft going to give them a price cut? Will they be able to trade their HD-Drive in for in order to get a BD-drive for a lessor price?.......

I think NOT!

So all who paid the money for the HD-Drive just got screwed again.

Don't you just love it. (Being Sarcastic)

3915.10.2008 8:59

Originally posted by lxhotboy:
Originally posted by Bad8511:
So what. Sony will always be better than Microsoft!
This is the deepest, most thought out comment i have ever read. True fanboyism in the flesh.


On topic, i think this is a good move for Microsoft. I probably wont invest in one too soon b/c i dont buy movies. Well, at least i wont buy one untill i get a blueray burner that is. He he hee;)
You're an idiot for posting that you are a pirate!

4015.10.2008 9:06

Originally posted by o0cynix0o:
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The PS3 is not just a Blu Player so the 399 price is well worth it.
I bet you have one don't you???
Yeah and I bet you don't!

4115.10.2008 9:46

I read somewhere microsoft have said they won't be doing it after this latest rumour. The best thing they can do is enhance the streaming on the 360 to allow more file types.

Anyway who cares about sony they are one of, if not the most expensive company out there. All because they stick there four letters on the front. And people think lets get a sony product its the best when its not really.

Before anyone says about me being a fanboy, i'm not. I'm more Anti-Sony.

4215.10.2008 13:04

Sony and MS, apples and oranges, can't really compare the two. In the past, maybe, because Sony is electronic hardware, and MS is just Windows. But now a day, hell, everybody got their own agendas... I don't like both of them, but yeah, i use their products (who doesn't?). Well, one thing for sure, the external Xbox 360 BD player will be an abomination... Regardless it will be inexpensive or beautifully designed, it will not do well in the Xbox community.

4325.10.2008 5:17

Humph, why is this all such a storm in a teacup? Aren't there more important things to bicker about? M$ and $ony are both members of the same cartels that produced DRM and HDCP certification bullcrap, both are full of hype. If you drew up a side by side list of their pros and cons they'd end up being more or less even.

From one point of view a Blu-ray/DVD player for the X360 is good for owners who want to go down that path. Naysayers don't factor in that this will save wear and tear on their main optical drive and it ain't that an expensive proposition.

4425.10.2008 12:17

For people wanting to invest in a 360 + BluRay rather than a PS3 or vice versa:
Xbox 360 Side
System: $199 (No HDD)
BluRay External $125 (since it could be $100-$150)
Remote: Should be included with BluRay external.
Wireless Adapter $99 (For BD Live if you do not have ethernet)
Other Factors
No Backwards Compatibility
No HDMI Port (I think, correct me if I am wrong)
Audio Limitations
Loud (But I think thats only the internal DVD-ROM so it doesn't really matter)
RROD Problems (Though almost eliminated)
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Total $423 ($498 to $448)

PlayStation 3 Side
System: $399 (Cheapest 80GB)
Remote: $25
Other Factors
PS1 backwards compatibility
Bluetooth (can't use 3rd party remotes without adapter)
Wifi (BD Live built in)
Laser problems (Though almost eliminated)
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Total $424

-Both systems need HD Cables

So if you don't care about BD Live, then the 360 is a better choice, or a 3rd party BD Player. If you do want BD Live, they are the same price. Take a pick. I don't see why the external BluRay player for the 360 would not include BD Live.

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4525.10.2008 12:21

Xbox360 has backwards compatibility - although a patch download is required to play i believe.

Depending on model the 360 has HDMI.

The 360 has optical audio out.

Also microsoft upped the warranty to 3 years i believe for RROD

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4625.10.2008 13:06

core2kid can you please provide me a link concerning the "almost eliminated" laser assembly problems of the PS3- it the first I've heard of it!! Good to see you acknowledge it tho. It was never dealt with on the PS2. In fact I play my PS2 games off an HDD (my second PS2) in an effort to stave off the inevitable, and because it's so much faster.

Backwards compatibility has been a load of bollocks on both machines imo. For example the PS2 games looked awful on the PS3, just better to stick with the original consoles.

I have HDMI on my X360- utterly wrong, you are corrected.

Wireless isn't necessary to play games live. In fact I don't recommend it. I have enough problems dealing with the OS server's lag in Oz with out excessive re-sent data packages.

With this solution owners would have TWO players. Playing movies off their external drive would save wear and tear on their internal one.

Importantly, you neglect to mention that X360 owners can in the near future play their games off the HDD- preventing wear, noise RRoD etc. Everyone I know with a X360 machine is excited about this development. If the PS3 follows suit I'd get one sooner than the two years I plan on- or even sooner if I can get a dudded one off fleabay and fix it's drive assembly (I'm waiting till the floodgates open).

Your list, whilst good intentioned, is not comprehensive enough.

People forget it's about the games- why not make your choice on the basis of that.

4725.10.2008 13:15

Woops. I edited out this because it wasn't relevant. Sorry.

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Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


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4825.10.2008 13:17

For the failure, The 40GB had problems and since the 80GB is a 40GB with a bigger hard drive I said that.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=40g...gh+failure+rate
I am not talking about the 80 with B/C but the one without.

Overall, I was comparing the two systems mainly about BluRay playback and not gaming. If comparing in Gaming, I feel that PS2 B/C does look better on the PS3 with some games, not all. As for playing games off the HDD, the PS3 already does that.

In your opinion, don't use Wifi for gaming. It is though an added advantage for PS3 owners who are unable to get a ethernet cable behind their TV. I use PS3 wifi and I see no lag at all. I played the Resistance 2 Beta yesterday for about 2 hours off the HDD. The system fans were at low level and I didn't lag or disconnect even once.

For HDMI on the 360s, I know the premiums have them but do the arcades since I was comparing that model. Lowest PlayStation 3 along with the lowest 360.

About having two players, an Internal and External. I guess it can be a pro and a con. A pro because it saves on the internal drive but a con because it takes up more space along with external wires for power and USB.

I was not trying to be biased in any way. I was stating the facts that I knew, mainly about BluRay playback since this thread is about an external BluRay drive for 360 and BluRay playback.

4925.10.2008 13:28

At this point in time you can play demos and arcade games from the 360 HDD it was not viable to have full games on HDD as the HDD was smaller originally

5025.10.2008 13:34

Originally posted by Bradderss:
At this point in time you can play demos and arcade games from the 360 HDD it was not viable to have full games on HDD as the HDD was smaller originally
Since MS locked the HDD and didn't think it needed a media ready console.

MS screwed up its design.

The PS3 is slightly flawed but better designed.

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5125.10.2008 13:37

core2kid fair enough, and I stand corrected on a few points. lol.

You're right, in terms of Blu-ray playback, it was comprehensive enough. I hope you don't consider that I was calling you biased- because I didn't think you were.

Thanks for the link btw.

The lag is crap in Australia, I'm am sick of pimply American kids abusing me, because I've stood behind an opponent blasting a shotgun shells into the back of his head with him turning around- "oh you there, pow!" ROFL

Yes, I have the arcade model with HDMI and the extra piped heatsink.

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Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


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5225.10.2008 13:47

No, I wasn't saying that you were calling me biased. I just wanted to say in general. I didn't want another gay fanboy fight to start.

For HDMI on arcade, I never knew that. I guess we both stand corrected on different points.

I don't have a 360, I have a PS3 and I like the features of it. Some features though that the 360s had for ever just came out on it like a shutdown timer, lol.



5325.10.2008 14:00

Originally posted by Bradderss:
At this point in time you can play demos and arcade games from the 360 HDD it was not viable to have full games on HDD as the HDD was smaller originally
Thanks for clearing that up, so no different in that regard. I look forward to full game implementation on the PS3.

For the record, I believe both consoles are poor excuses as multi-media devices. I build a little silent PC for the lounge. Blu-ray drive, HDMI out, terabyte raid, wireless peripherals... it's the bomb. But it's not everyone's option I acknowledge.
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Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


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Zilog Z80 CPU, 32KB RAM (16K+16K cartridge), video processor 6847, 2KB video RAM, 16 colours (text mode), 5.25" FDD

5425.10.2008 14:12

Originally posted by Jemborg:
I look forward to full game implementation on the PS3.

Already has it. You can buy certain games from the PlayStation Store right to the hard drive.

5525.10.2008 14:20

Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
I look forward to full game implementation on the PS3.

Already has it. You can buy certain games from the PlayStation Store right to the hard drive.
No, I meant in the sense of downloading your game disk to the HD for playback. Games can be downloaded for the X360 in the same way, eg the games Black (Xbox1) or Braid, there seem to be dozens and dozens all varying in quality. Hate the points system.
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5625.10.2008 15:22

Mmm a simple DRM program to put a game on the HD from the retail disc and then though a simplistic key system lock it to account, you coudl easily have full new games on disc.

For downloading you'd need a a proper receipt system to make sure you may re download it at any time FYI thats not what current DRM systems are for.

First off we need a DRM system that can easily track sale numbers and accounts and "re give" the product purchased whenever the consumer wants it the trouble is current industry is leaning heavily in a "renting" setup where everything is placed on the consumer and their money. Sure you can offset re getting with a small fee but industry is going to have to re learn its place first.

Another thing we are going to need is family accounts more than 1 system under 1 account and also use the micro transfer system to make account buddies where you can take your live shizzle to another system for awhile for a small fee, innovation dose not come from stagnation if the bastards do not see the money that could be made over what they expect to make...


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5725.10.2008 15:48
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This whole subject annoys me.. M$ are idiots. If they had either stuck a hd-dvd drive in the 360 at realese or got the addon to market then we would have hd-dvd now not BD.

M$ had a lot of leverage against the media companies.. They could have easily said "we support hd-dvd on our console, so Hollywood and the rest of you dinosaur mpaa/riaa idiots.. you either release on this format or we will not support any of your DRM BS schemes in our XP and Fista OS. We will release patches to remove or override the DRM systems for our customers".

But they are another corporation who believe in the past and shafting every single penny out of customers.. NB should add MS and Apple to his DRM scumbag cartel lists.

Anyway as before stated many times.. The 360 makes too much noise to be a serious quality multimedia player unless you shove it out of the way under the stairs or in another room.

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5825.10.2008 15:50

Originally posted by varnull:
This whole subject annoys me.. M$ are idiots. If they had either stuck a hd-dvd drive in the 360 at realese or got the addon to market then we would have hd-dvd now not BD.

M$ had a lot of leverage against the media companies.. They could have easily said "we support hd-dvd on our console, so Hollywood and the rest of you dinosaur mpaa/riaa idiots.. you either release on this format or we will not support any of your DRM BS schemes in our XP and Fista OS. We will release patches to remove or override the DRM systems for our customers".

But they are another corporation who believe in the past and shafting every single penny out of customers.. NB should add MS and Apple to his DRM scumbag cartel lists.

Anyway as before stated many times.. The 360 makes too much noise to be a serious quality multimedia player unless you shove it out of the way under the stairs or in another room.
My PC is louder 0-o
:P

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5925.10.2008 16:08
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I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0

Hi Zipp.. The post before last was a bit coherent.. feeling a bit off colour this week mate? ;)

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6025.10.2008 16:10

Originally posted by varnull:
I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0
Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

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6125.10.2008 16:23

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by varnull:
I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0
Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

I have an Antec HDD Cooler. It's very quiet if not silent.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?h...image#ps-seller

6225.10.2008 16:27

Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by varnull:
I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0
Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

I have an Antec HDD Cooler. It's very quiet if not silent.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?h...-seller


Have no room for 5 1/2 drive oens I need bottom fans that attach to the drive that have real bearing fans in them.. or just real bearing fans as I have about 10 dead sets of dual 60X60 or single 80X80 HDD fans.... I have 4 5V bearing nice and quite but I feel if I get 4 more it would be to much of a strain on the 5V rails ><

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6325.10.2008 16:39
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I take them apart and use a little lithium grease on the sleeves. Or how about a forced blow system with a big fan in a box and trunking? I use that system on the cluster because it makes it possible to hear yourself think in the server room.
For running fans and hdd's I tend to use old at psu's.. the ones with the power switch on some wire, and either run them from the extra monitor outlet on the pc or individually powering them up a few seconds before the main system.. Seems to speed the boot because all the drives have already spun up... and saves strain on the pc psu as that's just running the mobo items.

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6425.10.2008 16:41

Originally posted by varnull:
I take them apart and use a little lithium grease on the sleeves. Or how about a forced blow system with a big fan in a box and trunking? I use that system on the cluster because it makes it possible to hear yourself think in the server room.
ya..if I want them to last another week before stopping that works great...a proper bearing fan will last 2-3 years before needing to be replaced...

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6525.10.2008 16:44
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Lots of my fans are over 10 years old now ;) I have a sample jar of irrigation pump grease.. omega lubricants brand.. It is a paraffinic grease with micro particles in it.. Seems very good and non creep. Must be 25 years old now.. I only use a tiny amount every so often.

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6625.10.2008 16:46

Originally posted by varnull:
Lots of my fans are over 10 years old now ;)
bah! girls and their "lubrication" :P

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6725.10.2008 16:48

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by varnull:
I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0
Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

I have an Antec HDD Cooler. It's very quiet if not silent.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?h...-seller


Have no room for 5 1/2 drive oens I need bottom fans that attach to the drive that have real bearing fans in them.. or just real bearing fans as I have about 10 dead sets of dual 60X60 or single 80X80 HDD fans.... I have 4 5V bearing nice and quite but I feel if I get 4 more it would be to much of a strain on the 5V rails ><
At this stage of the game Zipp- why not just go for a new case? Like the Antec 900? I've dicked about with making ducts and all for the main, works good but still bloody noisy, now I just feel like buying one of those myself. Big fans are the best in the long run. It's the previous model so it might even be really cheap for a damned Yankee. :D

I don't know if it helps but Noctua fans are great- hydrodynamic bearings. I bought a NF-S12 for the multimedia mATX. Can't hear it. Anything under 20 db is good.





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6825.10.2008 16:48
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I would rather spend my money on beer than fans XD

6925.10.2008 16:52

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by varnull:
I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0
Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

I have an Antec HDD Cooler. It's very quiet if not silent.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?h...-seller


Have no room for 5 1/2 drive oens I need bottom fans that attach to the drive that have real bearing fans in them.. or just real bearing fans as I have about 10 dead sets of dual 60X60 or single 80X80 HDD fans.... I have 4 5V bearing nice and quite but I feel if I get 4 more it would be to much of a strain on the 5V rails ><
At this stage of the game Zipp- why not just go for a new case? Like the Antec 900? I've dicked about with making ducts and all for the main, works good but still bloody noisy, now I just feel like buying one of those myself. Big fans are the best in the long run. It's the previous model so it might even be really cheap for a damned Yankee. :D

I don't know if it helps but Noctua fans are great- hydrodynamic bearings. I bought a NF-S12 for the multimedia mATX. Can't hear it. Anything under 20 db is good.
If I had 100$ to buy a case I would and even if I did I do not run my HDs 24/7 without fans, I do not like them to go above 35C >>

I do like my daibolic mintouer case but mini towers are FTL custom mini towers with peculiar tooless er..."features" are even mroe a pain ><

Originally posted by varnull:
I would rather spend my money on beer than fans XD

and thus why you are a forum goddess. *lick*
even if I hate beer :P

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7025.10.2008 17:09

Oh whatever Zippy, it was just a suggestion. I don't think it's as bad as you seem to make out, it will fit 6 HDDs ordinarily and looks nice too-

http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/cases/antec900/index_2.shtml

The only real pain might be with the power cables' length.

Originally posted by varnull:
I would rather spend my money on beer than fans XD
Won't that short the equipment ?? ;P

How about Teflon sprays/lube? I've got stuff going again that I thought never would.
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7125.10.2008 17:16

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Oh whatever Zippy, it was just a suggestion. I don't think it's as bad as you seem to make out, it will fit 6 HDDs ordinarily and looks nice too-

http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/cases/antec900/index_2.shtml

Originally posted by varnull:
I would rather spend my money on beer than fans XD
Won't that short the equipment ?? ;P

How about Teflon sprays/lube? I've got stuff going again that I thought never would.

If I had money I would not be getting crappy fans :P

I am loving the magnetic bearing fans myself but they do not make a slim model for HDDs ;_;

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7225.10.2008 17:18

Yeah, floating magnetic bearing sound really nice.


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7325.10.2008 17:21

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Yeah, floating magnetic bearing sound really nice.
I is in love with these fans and use them as much as I can

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&saf...snum=1&ct=title


The only problem I have found is.....for HDDs...external or other wise....you want.... a inch or 2 of clearance.... ><

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7425.10.2008 17:34

Yes, stuff the new case, I might just replace the existing 80mm jobs with these.

Thanks for the link.

Hmmm, time you pulled out the drill mate and got a bit creative with external placements. :D


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7525.10.2008 17:39

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Yes, stuff the new case, I might just replace the existing 80mm jobs with these.

Thanks for the link.

Hmmm, time you pulled out the drill mate and got a bit creative with external placements. :D
I don;t really run my USB HDDS alot so I only put fans on thos I get for others unless I know its strictly for backup with limited run time.

If you don't get a enterprise class drive and want to max your life span of HDDs and general electronics heat is a big issue to deal with, I love the quite and longevity of the mag based fans but they are tricky for HDDs or mag sensitive devcies.

I need to get a new mobo and case ...but I no haz the funds >< and wont for awhile best I can do manage with what I got for another year.

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