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PS3 is a 'sinking ship', says CNNMoney

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 13 Dec 2008 21:48 User comments (110)

PS3 is a 'sinking ship', says CNNMoney Citing yesterdays disappointing November hardware sales, CNNMoney has called the Sony PlayStation 3 a "sinking ship."
The numbers show that the PS3 sold 19 percent less consoles year-on-year from the same period in 2007, and CNNMoney believes that a substantial price cut is necessary if the console wants to see a growth in sales anytime soon.

After being outsold 840,000 to 380,000 for the month by its main rival the Xbox 360, many analysts have agreed that a price cut is necessary before the console falls behind by an "insurmountable margin."

The CNNMoney article also attributed the slow down in sales to three specific reasons. The high price tag (All Xbox 360 models are cheaper than cheapest PS3), the fact that no one cares about Blu-ray, and the lack of strong selling titles for the platform.

We can all agree that price is an issue, but the other two issues CNNMoney brings up are a bit, for lack of a better word, iffy. Blu-ray player sales and Blu-ray movie sales continue to grow exponentially and show similar numbers to that of DVD when it was the "new" format in the late 90s and early 2000s.

Sony has had some hot selling exclusive titles such as Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBIGPlanet, Resistance 1 and 2, and Uncharted but software sales arent as strong as that of the Xbox 360, from most accounts. Whether it needs more exclusive titles is up for debate however.

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113.12.2008 22:07

I truly want to know if these figures are sales as a console versus sales as a Media Player

If so this is my thoughts:
If you want to compare sales figures from XB359 to PS3 you must also compare the sales figures as each system being a Media Player. I'm assuming that as a Media Player the PS3 outsells the XB359 in very large numbers.

213.12.2008 22:08

Most consumers could go either way with consoles, so they just choose the 360 b/c of it's lower price. Curse MS and their immoral market practices to take the market by lowering prices. PS3 FTW! (Just Kidding, I own a 360, but a PS3).

313.12.2008 22:48
HeretikSa
Inactive

Wow, "...the fact that nobody cares about Blu-Ray." This just shows the quality of reporting and ignorant generalized statements this site provides.

413.12.2008 23:17

Originally posted by HeretikSa:
Wow, "...the fact that nobody cares about Blu-Ray." This just shows the quality of reporting and ignorant generalized statements this site provides.
Did you even read the article? I dont think you did or you would have seen that CNNMoney said that, and we refuted it. Crawl back to your hole please.

513.12.2008 23:32

Im useing bluray no one cares HA... i use it and it looks way better good example is the batman dvd.. on a big screen it looks 10 times better in bluray then dvd had it side by side and ran it on 2 tvs at work same bluray player played both same tv and i showed people the diffrence and you could see a clear diffrence..

613.12.2008 23:36

Keep in mind CNNMoney (like MOST financial sites) is mostly a bunch of stodgy, out-of-touch old men who JUST figured out how to set the time on their 20yo VCR and were claiming HDTV was bunk LAST year.

713.12.2008 23:56

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I'm assuming that as a Media Player the PS3 outsells the XB359 in very large numbers.
Is this denial? b/c is seems to be a statement to overlook the point of this article and change the view relating to sales of the PS3 console.

I think most people know i have been preaching and will continue to say that the PS3 is overpriced. Regardless of what you get and what a great bargain some think it may be it is overpriced and that is the bottom line. Even after the release of some great titles the price hold the PS3 back. Sales prove that the majority of the world thinks their are better deals out there. Please dont mistake me for saying the PS3 is not a great console b/c i am not downing the console or even comparing them no further than the prices.

Average Prices
Xbox360----$199
Wii -------$249 (No need 2 lower price, Sales are great)
PS3 -------$399

Has anyone ever wondered that had sony chosen to leave out the blueray drive if the PS3 would not have outsold the Xbox360 by now already? I am willing to bet that if they had waited on the BR and had a lower more reasonable price that the sales numbers would be diff. Lots of people have to money to spend but steer clear of that pricetag.

If the price of the PS3 was a deciding factor in what console you purchased please post your opinion.
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814.12.2008 0:21

Originally posted by ads:
Im useing bluray no one cares HA... i use it and it looks way better good example is the batman dvd.. on a big screen it looks 10 times better in bluray then dvd had it side by side and ran it on 2 tvs at work same bluray player played both same tv and i showed people the diffrence and you could see a clear diffrence..
I think the meaning was that the majority dont care about blueray and I agree. DVD is still the media of choice. Again price is an issue here as well as with the PS3.

Oops i just found this on a sony site telling basically that most feel the same way i do. Overprice, blueray isnot hot are my opinions but the article talks about PS3 lacking must have titles and even goes as far to say that PS3 Home isnot helping sales. I disagree and think they have some great must have exclusives.

http://www.sonyinsider.com/2008/12/12/co...sales-way-down/
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914.12.2008 0:35

when they get under a $1.00 USD to copy a bluray for a backup without all the garbage and just the plain movie come talk to me

On A Side Note IF The PS3 was moddable it would increase sales

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1014.12.2008 0:54
artguy03
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I've waited patiently to buy a PS3, but have held off for a number of reasons. The price is the major factor. In a market where Blu-ray players can be found for $100-$150 (and falling rapidly), having a built-in player is no longer a huge value factor. Another issue is backwards compatibility. I resent doling out 400-plus dollars for a system that won't play the numerous PS2 games I've invested in and enjoyed over the years..why in the hell should I have to hook up TWO Sony game systems to play my games (or spend $500 on a 60gb PS3)?! Sony will continue to marginalize itself if it doesn't address these issues. I will continue to wait until I can buy a PS3 in its present configuration for $250 or less.

1114.12.2008 1:02

Originally posted by artguy03:
I've waited patiently to buy a PS3, but have held off for a number of reasons. The price is the major factor. In a market where Blu-ray players can be found for $100-$150 (and falling rapidly), having a built-in player is no longer a huge value factor. Another issue is backwards compatibility. I resent doling out 400-plus dollars for a system that won't play the numerous PS2 games I've invested in and enjoyed over the years..why in the hell should I have to hook up TWO Sony game systems to play my games (or spend $500 on a 60gb PS3)?! Sony will continue to marginalize itself if it doesn't address these issues. I will continue to wait until I can buy a PS3 in its present configuration for $250 or less.
Good points. I gave my PS2 to my teenage cousins and was going to buy another one. Then i heard about the PS3 release and decided to wait b/c i would be able to play all my PS2 games on PS3. The killed that with the newer models.

1214.12.2008 1:41

Well I bought the 60gb PS3 so I could play my 200 ps2 games and a few ps3 titles and do you know how many times I have played the ps2 games? Once! It's like going back to play on a 1982 Space Invaders after playing on PS3. The Blu-ray player sounds great but like many I don't actually have any blu-ray discs as they are way too pricey still. But there is another big plus for PS3 which many of my xbox friends are very jealous of - the free online play. We have a Wi but it is gathering dust as let's be honest it's complete rubbish after the novelty wears off (2 weeks in my case). Another reason for buying Sony was that after years of computer blue screens of death which have returned again as if they had never briefly left in the last years of XP with my hideously bug infested Vista computer. Decades of selling stuff that doesn't work seems to have been overlooked. Why would I buy something made by Microsoft ? It'll be a sad day if we end up with a monopoly in gaming like in computers. We'll see how long the 200 USD xbox lasts when that happens!

1314.12.2008 1:47

Um..OK, I already have an e8400 cpu so why do I need a ps3 for blu-ray when I can just grab a few remux vids of the movie only at hd-bits? And 500 gig drives are 50 bucks now!

Sony needs excellent games that are ps3 exclusive and fast. At LEAST 10 games this year that are triple AAA titles not available for ANY other system..honestly, why should I shell out money when my PC will give a superior experience? Bioshock, Fallout 3, Devil May Cry, etc. And drop the price.

And where the HELL is FF13?! And ICO 2? Shadow of the colossus 2? God of War 3? These games should have been out by now! Too little, too late.

1414.12.2008 2:55

I'm not sure that I agree with DVDBack23 about the wonderful future for Blu-ray. Yes, among tech fans there may be great interest, but sales data from this year don't back up the idea that the general public will be dumping DVD's soon. Search around the web for data yourself, but I offer some examples of why I'm a somewhat of a skeptic.

>>Look at Google Trends -- which does a good job of telling what consumers are interested at this time. Try this search for Blu-ray and DVD. As you can see, amongst the general public, for every single search about Blu-ray, there are at a minimum 30-40 searches for DVD.

>>New York Times article from November. Look closely at the graph included in the article and you will see that Blu-Ray sales are not even 5% of the sales of DVD's.
Now with that graph in mind, consider that Mr. David Bishop who is the president of Sony Pictures Home Entertainment can be seen in an interview just last week (Dec 4) projecting that the annual growth of Blu-ray sales will be between 150% and 300%. Even annual tripling growth of Blu-ray sales will still leave them far in the dust of DVD sales for at least 3-4 years. This is in line with industry projections earlier this year which didn't have Blu-ray passing DVD's until 2012.

So even if this rate of growth is faster than DVD sales growth was in the 90's, what's different now is the possibility of Hi-def Video-on-Demand. I will probably buy a Blu-ray player, but I'm not in a rush to do so. I am anxious to see just how good the price and convenience of HD On-demand will be, and I'm thinking I'll have the opportunity to find out well before 2012.

1514.12.2008 4:39

While I am kind of surprised that CNNMoney attacked the PS3, I am glad that they said a substantial price cut is necessary for the PS3 to catch up.

I've thought about buying one sometime but can't justify the price at the moment. Maybe if a few bigger media outlets mention a price cut would boost sales then a price cut may actually happen.

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The high price tag (All Xbox 360 models are cheaper than cheapest PS3), the fact that no one cares about Blu-ray, and the lack of strong selling titles for the platform.
Apparently CNN thinks the same price is a synonym for cheaper because according to Gamestop's website the cheapest non-refurbished PS3 is the 80GB model for $399.99, which is the same price as the Xbox 360 Elite, which is the most expensive model.

As for the "hot selling exclusive titles", according to this article, the only PS3 exclusive to break the top ten was Resistance 2, which sold 385,000 units.

BigLittlePlanet sold 141,000 units in November and 215,000 in its launch month of October. Those are not bad numbers, but they are not really great ones either.

MGS4 sold well for the first week. After that it dropped to only 68,000 units for week two according to Kotaku.

Call of Duty: World at War sold pretty well in November for the PS3 though, checking in at 597,000 units sold.

Peace

1614.12.2008 4:43

It seems like every year around Christmas time we get a rush of the same old articles based on weekly numbers that don't mean anything, especially NPD numbers which only account for sales in North America, and not even all of N. America at that.

2 months ago we were hearing that the XBox360's lifecycle was coming to an end when PS3 out sold it 6 out of 8 weeks in September & October. Only a month later we're hearing PS3 is dead.

The truth of the matter is; NPD is a useless method of tracking VideoGame console sales. Worldwide numbers are the only numbers that count and NPD discounts them. Total sales (worldwide) for 2008 will start surfacing at the end of January/beginning of February 2009.

I suggest all the fanboys & girls wait until then.

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1714.12.2008 5:53

The PS3 Titanic IS a sinking ship. Even if you don't follow the news you know it. I hope PS3 has enough lifeboats. Anyways, I'm really disappointed in the games. Blu-ray may be a nice bonus, but I rather play games, not movies. I have a stand-alone for that. There's only a handful of games I like for PS3 and there's 4 times that I play regularly for XBOX360. Online gaming is the deal breaker. Even though PS3 is free online I spend more time on XBOX live simply because more of my friends own XBOX. Why? They refuse to shell out money for the pricey PS3. I don't think anyone can say more of their friends own a PS3 versus owning XBOX. For me, there's nothing better than owning my friends online. Love it. I just think more users equals more money for XBOX. More users also means a steady flow of games being developed for XBOX. Price tag is the killer, even though I still bought my PS3 at $499. My PS3 doesn't gather dust, but it doesn't get quality workout sessions either.... it also doesn't get red rings (at least 3/4 of my friends experienced it)..... but if people can still buy XBOX knowing about that red ring of death, Sony has problems. Drop that price SONY!!!!!! Take the hit on the front end, but reap rewards with more users who will buy games for it.... just think like a drug dealer, get em hooked first and watch em flock... maybe even charge for online play when you have a huge following. But what do I know, I'm just Joe Gamer. I'll leave the marketing strategy to the experts.

BTW - The WII is a killer for parties. And it's the only thing most girls will touch that involves video games. Top it off with your favorite drinking game and get some personal time in with the ladies and your WII! Ha! I blame that little system for putting a few of my buddies on lockdown. They will be missed for happy hour.

1814.12.2008 7:00

Reading none of the above posts, I gotta say that PS3 needs a price cut. A month or two ago I was saying no to that idea but if Sony wants to catch up at least a 50 price cut would help probably a lot.
Seeing that the Home beta is pretty useless right now, there's nothing that'll make gamers want to buy a PS3 when a 360 is so cheap.

1914.12.2008 7:06

CNN always talk crap - their obsession with having a reporter from every country, every language and every ethnic background possible shows how they repeatedly ignore quality to focus on poitical correctness.
If they think the PS3 is a sinking ship then what do they think of -

1) world stock markets
2) GM , Ford and Chrysler
3) world housing/property markets
4) major banks worldwide
5) retail giants in the high street

has anybody actually told CNN what has been going on over the last 6 months ? I think they need to know as they obviously seem to know nothing at the minute. Of course the cheapo X Box is going to outsell the PS3 in its home base of the USA especially in a credit crisis - did CNN even bother to research world sales of each console or do they consider just because it is not # 1 in the states that it is therefore doomed to global failure ? Sorry CNN - there is more to the world than the states.

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2014.12.2008 7:34

It don't shock me to hear crap like this if they really did there research they would know that PS3 sells are up over last year.Sony is worrying about Sony not everyone else which i think is great idea.Because PS3 isn't outselling the other two don't mean its a sinking ship that's the most stupid statement Ive heard this year.For those that say it need a price drop your wrong it don't need one at the moment.You can't buy a Mercedes for a Honda price.PS3 is a highend console with a lot to offer can we say that about the other two consoles ? which is going to be dead in two or three years.Sony plan is simple longevity which mean you will get a return on your investment in the long run.I can think of a lot of reason to own a PS3 & very little to own the other two consoles(i got a Wii which is collecting dust at this time).

2114.12.2008 7:53

Several things stand out about this article, first and foremost they neglect to mention the current state of the economy as a factor for decreased sales. 2nd, blu ray is lackluster? Really? Where did they get that data from?

2214.12.2008 8:28

Haven't made any comments in a LONG, LONG time...Have a European and a US PS3. Great technology but hampered by Sony's paranoia about 'Piracy'. I am concerned about Blu-Ray's chances. After 2 years I still am not getting the variety of titles/programs that I had expected would be available. Two out of Three times I go to a store looking for the Blu-Ray disc without finding it. The regular DVD is available but I refuse at this point to buy any more DVD's. So, I go home, money saved. I also don't think a 50% higher price for Blu-Ray versions is going to fly...

2314.12.2008 8:42

To assume XBOX and WII will be dead in two or three years is crazy. Would you be willing to bet on that? Anyways, it still comes down to money. Business is business. Anyone know how much money Sony has made with the PS3 line? Is it enough to pump a fair amount of cash to develop a next gen PS? In two or three years, XBOX and WII will be looking to upgrade with profits made. Think how how much better technology will be in 3 years. Electronics are getting cheaper to make as well. I just don't see Sony turning it around enough to be considered a contender in the next few years. The PS3 may just be left in the dust. I'm no fanboy, but I play whats fun. PS2 was my system of choice, now it just so happens to be XBOX. If Honda made a console that murdered PS, XBOX, and WII in overall fun I'd buy it and it wouldn't cost as much as a Mercedes.

2414.12.2008 9:36

Originally posted by blackmack:
To assume XBOX and WII will be dead in two or three years is crazy. Would you be willing to bet on that? Anyways, it still comes down to money. Business is business. Anyone know how much money Sony has made with the PS3 line? Is it enough to pump a fair amount of cash to develop a next gen PS? In two or three years, XBOX and WII will be looking to upgrade with profits made. Think how much better technology will be in 3 years. Electronics are getting cheaper to make as well. I just don't see Sony turning it around enough to be considered a contender in the next few years. The PS3 may just be left in the dust. I'm no fanboy, but I play whats fun. PS2 was my system of choice, now it just so happens to be XBOX. If Honda made a console that murdered PS, XBOX, and WII in overall fun I'd buy it and it wouldn't cost as much as a Mercedes.
Wii is already dead to developers because they've decided not to make games for it, for the most part. You'll see Nintendo releasing the bulk of the Wii games other than a few half-baked ports of top sellers like Madden, etc.

Microsoft has released 4 completely different versions of the 360 game console since 2005 (Premium, Core, Elite, Arcade), all of which have completely different functions. To make matters worse, the XBox game division is operating at almost a $9 Billion dollar loss.

If that's not enough, the XBox360 is currently on fire-sale (a la HD-DVD) in order to make room for the new XBoxHD which is on it's way Q4 2009 - Q1 2010.

This war with Sony is sure costing Microsoft a bundle:
-$150 Million (HD-DVD Paramount/Dreamworks debacle)
Cha-Ching
-$1.5 Billion (Red Ring of Death Warranty extension)
Cha-Ching
-$3 Billion (Original XBox & Core Leftovers)
Cha-Ching
-$50 Million (GTA IV DLC)
Cha-Ching
-$2 Billion (RROD Repairs before 07' Warranty extension)
Cha-Ching
-$2 Billion (HD-DVD Technology, Advertisements, various incentives)

I'm sure there are more that weren't reported.

So, like I said in my previous post; NPD numbers are as useless as t*ts on a bull. Worldwide numbers for the year will be release at the end of January 2009. Wait until then.
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2514.12.2008 9:37

I will first state that I own a PS3 and not an Xbox, however I won it in a contest, so I did not have to shell out the $400 for it. That being said, I believe price has everything to do with the fact the PS3 is not selling well. And it is from all angles, there is no economy model so its basically all or nothing. For people who aren't hardcore gamers, the added Hard drive and online play means nothing to them, and is not value added. Also to me it seems the price of the majority of PS3 titles are more expensive than Xbox titles. I know when first released both Xbox and PS3 titles are $60, however, since the Xbox has more titles, there seem to be a lot more older games around $20. So if someone is buying a new system and wants to get a catalog started they can spend $120 on 5-6 games with xbox, or 2-3 with PS3. One thing people do not seem to be talking about is the youth market, people buying a system for their kids. Most kids, 7 to say 14, do not care about blue-ray, or Hard drive space, all they care about is games, and parents care about the price of those games, as well as the price of the system. So until Sony drops the price of both, they will be sitting in the background.

2614.12.2008 9:44

Originally posted by bvz:
I will first state that I own a PS3 and not an Xbox, however I won it in a contest, so I did not have to shell out the $400 for it. That being said, I believe price has everything to do with the fact the PS3 is not selling well. And it is from all angles, there is no economy model so its basically all or nothing. For people who aren't hardcore gamers, the added Hard drive and online play means nothing to them, and is not value added. Also to me it seems the price of the majority of PS3 titles are more expensive than Xbox titles. I know when first released both Xbox and PS3 titles are $60, however, since the Xbox has more titles, there seem to be a lot more older games around $20. So if someone is buying a new system and wants to get a catalog started they can spend $120 on 5-6 games with xbox, or 2-3 with PS3. One thing people do not seem to be talking about is the youth market, people buying a system for their kids. Most kids, 7 to say 14, do not care about blue-ray, or Hard drive space, all they care about is games, and parents care about the price of those games, as well as the price of the system. So until Sony drops the price of both, they will be sitting in the background.
until a month ago the PS3 was outselling the xbox 360 in all territories.

Worldwide numbers is all that matters.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/29/worldwide-ps3-sales-beat-xbox-360-in-q2
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2714.12.2008 9:47

What I can't understand is that poor PS3 sales figures mean a whole bunch of people have to comment on the amount of dust thats on their Wii system (get a hoover).

These two systems are totally different if its gathering dust sell it now just before Christmas, its the ideal time.

I have a Wii and bought it for my kids and wife to use and it serves its purpose. Its graphically poor but is still adequate to play games some of which are good and can take 20-30hrs still to finish.

Now I'm interested in a next gen console too but have been put off by the 300 PS3 price tag and put off by XBox 360 reliability. I will get one eventually but either need PS3 to be 200 or XBox 360 Jasper to be freely available before I go ahead.

At the moment I can only see myself going for the XBox the price difference of 150 is too big to ignore.

2814.12.2008 10:07

Quote:
until a month ago the PS3 was outselling the xbox 360 in all territories.

Worldwide numbers is all that matters.

www.joystiq.com/2008/10/29/worldwide-ps3-sales-beat-xbox-360-in-q2/
You are correct, the PS3 outsold Xbox worldwide, but only by 230,000 units, and only for the quarter. Even in the article you quoted, it stated

"That puts Sony at 16.84 million PS3s in the world compared to Microsoft's 24 million 360s."

So they may have gained a quarter million, but they are still down by 7 million. And this was from July-Sept, before the Xbox price drop.

2914.12.2008 10:25

Quote:
Quote:
until a month ago the PS3 was outselling the xbox 360 in all territories.

Worldwide numbers is all that matters.

www.joystiq.com/2008/10/29/worldwide-ps3-sales-beat-xbox-360-in-q2/
You are correct, the PS3 outsold Xbox worldwide, but only by 230,000 units, and only for the quarter. Even in the article you quoted, it stated

"That puts Sony at 16.84 million PS3s in the world compared to Microsoft's 24 million 360s."

So they may have gained a quarter million, but they are still down by 7 million. And this was from July-Sept, before the Xbox price drop.
Umm... With a year head start it's 7 million. Also remember that 360 shipped 5 million at launch. PS3 shipped under 140,000 at launch and wasn't readily available on a consistent basis until Summer 2007.
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3014.12.2008 10:52

Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
Keep in mind CNNMoney (like MOST financial sites) is mostly a bunch of stodgy, out-of-touch old men who JUST figured out how to set the time on their 20yo VCR and were claiming HDTV was bunk LAST year.
Give this man a prize. If I am correct they also said that HD-DVD was to be the choice to go with and then a few weeks later we all know what happened.


Originally posted by Pop_Smith:
While I am kind of surprised that CNNMoney attacked the PS3, I am glad that they said a substantial price cut is necessary for the PS3 to catch up.
You shouldn't be at all surprised by CNN attacking the PS3 this is not the first time from my understanding.


Originally posted by Pop_Smith:
As for the "hot selling exclusive titles", according to this article, the only PS3 exclusive to break the top ten was Resistance 2, which sold 385,000 units.

BigLittlePlanet sold 141,000 units in November and 215,000 in its launch month of October. Those are not bad numbers, but they are not really great ones either.

MGS4 sold well for the first week. After that it dropped to only 68,000 units for week two according to Kotaku.

Call of Duty: World at War sold pretty well in November for the PS3 though, checking in at 597,000 units sold.

Resistance 2 came out in the US at an earlier date and the EU a few weeks ago so those numbers are not a correct overview of how it has really sold (yet).

LittleBigPlanet has sold 1 Million World Wide. I fail to see how something that sells that amount is downplayed by most sites yet Fallout3 has sold the same (last info I have seen) and is heralded as a better success (yet it's a multiplat)?

MGS4 has sold more than 3 Million. Nothing more needs to be said other than Kotaku is widely known more as a site for the Xbox crowd.


Originally posted by gleone:
It seems like every year around Christmas time we get a rush of the same old articles based on weekly numbers that don't mean anything, especially NPD numbers which only account for sales in North America, and not even all of N. America at that.

2 months ago we were hearing that the XBox360's lifecycle was coming to an end when PS3 out sold it 6 out of 8 weeks in September & October. Only a month later we're hearing PS3 is dead.

The truth of the matter is; NPD is a useless method of tracking VideoGame console sales. Worldwide numbers are the only numbers that count and NPD discounts them. Total sales (worldwide) for 2008 will start surfacing at the end of January/beginning of February 2009.

I suggest all the fanboys & girls wait until then.

I can understand and agree with part of what you said (outside of the fanboy comment...please refrain from that even if it is a "passing" indirect comment). NPD is undoubtedly the best place to get nubers from for the US but I agree there is too much "selective information gathering" in the media. Here are some monthly totals from NPD (US) & Media Create (JP)




It shows the 360 & PS3 are REALLY close and from preliminary information the PS3 has sold slightly better in the EU but we shall see as I still think the 360 probably will edge it out because of it's price point. While on price point I have to add this comment I came across that makes a very clear perspective of things

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The unit that the 360 is priced with, the Wii is killing it....Come on folks. Its like yeah, we get it, a cheaper 360 sells more than the expensive PS3. but-big-but. I mean, its a price war right now.. The 360 is getting second for being less expensive than the wii.. and the ps3 is third at double the price.
I can't understand how the media portrays all this selective "doom & gloom" information without an open perspective on how things REALLY sit. Either way even if the 360 takes 2nd for the year (as I feel it most likely will) it is not without a huge mark against it being that it priced lower than the Wii and half the price of a PS3 only to sell slightly better than the PS3.


Originally posted by gleone:
Wii is already dead to developers because they've decided not to make games for it, for the most part. You'll see Nintendo releasing the bulk of the Wii games other than a few half-baked ports of top sellers like Madden, etc.

Microsoft has released 4 completely different versions of the 360 game console since 2005 (Premium, Core, Elite, Arcade), all of which have completely different functions. To make matters worse, the XBox game division is operating at almost a $9 Billion dollar loss.

If that's not enough, the XBox360 is currently on fire-sale (a la HD-DVD) in order to make room for the new XBoxHD which is on it's way Q4 2009 - Q1 2010.

This war with Sony is sure costing Microsoft a bundle:
-$150 Million (HD-DVD Paramount/Dreamworks debacle)
Cha-Ching
-$1.5 Billion (Red Ring of Death Warranty extension)
Cha-Ching
-$3 Billion (Original XBox & Core Leftovers)
Cha-Ching
-$50 Million (GTA IV DLC)
Cha-Ching
-$2 Billion (RROD Repairs before 07' Warranty extension)
Cha-Ching
-$2 Billion (HD-DVD Technology, Advertisements, various incentives)

I'm sure there are more that weren't reported.

So, like I said in my previous post; NPD numbers are as useless as t*ts on a bull. Worldwide numbers for the year will be release at the end of January 2009. Wait until then.

Very good points but in all fairness Sony has taken quite a few hits lately with expenses and the economy being the way it is isn't helping them (or any company). Here are 2 additional reportings to add to that list ~ MS lost 11 Billion USD on Vista and who knows what on the Zune (if anyone has any figures please post). I have to wholeheartedly agree to wait until January to REALLY make any culmination of "who is where at what stage" properly. As for the Wii's lackluster shovelware titles...you couldn't have said it any better (though I think I kind of said it worse or is it better...oh forget it, lol). Here are 2 very good reads over at IGN about this years PS3, 360 & Wii titles (exclusive & Multiplat), their scores and such

http://au.games.ign.com/articles/937/937519p1.html

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/937/937569p2.html

I have to commend them on not including any PC versions of any titles because it is not an exclusive if it is available to anyone someway else. But there is no way anyone can say the Wii has the "better" games which is a shame because of the total market domination they have currently.

But to end on topic, there is way too much biased or half truth information going around when it comes to Sony's PS3. It's getting to be ridiculous how sites (news or gaming) & people pick and choose what they want to read into without the overall picture not being held in account. It's all about hits and shocking titles instead of proper reporting and open perspectives.
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3114.12.2008 11:00

I have waited 1 year to buy a PS3, waiting for the price to come down.

In the meantime, standalone blueray players have dropped to Sfr. 200 (about $150) so I have bought a stand-alone player, and instead of the PS3 I have bought a WII 3 weeks ago. The WII is much cheaper and so are the games for it. The more serious games I'll continue to play on PC.

If PS3 price would have dropped, I would have bought one. PS3 will go down if sony remains so arrogant.

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3214.12.2008 11:14

Originally posted by plmuon:
I have waited 1 year to buy a PS3, waiting for the price to come down.

In the meantime, standalone blueray players have dropped to Sfr. 200 (about $150) so I have bought a stand-alone player, and instead of the PS3 I have bought a WII 3 weeks ago. The WII is much cheaper and so are the games for it. The more serious games I'll continue to play on PC.

If PS3 price would have dropped, I would have bought one. PS3 will go down if sony remains so arrogant.

It is not arrogance. They keep the price where it's at because of it's stockholders and the pursuit of being profitable/not taking more unnecessary losses. All information is pointing to a March/February price cut.
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3314.12.2008 11:24

I think people should complain less about the price and more about the limited amount of good games.

If PS3 brought out some quality exclusive games that would give more people the reason to buy the system.

Currently my PS3 is being used as a Blu-ray/DVD player and my xbox is the gaming machine.

3414.12.2008 11:59

The "no good games" view went out a long time ago.

Quote:
Metal Gear Solid 4
Uncharted
LittleBigPlanet
Valkyria Chronicles
Folklore
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Resistance 2
Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm
Heavenly Sword
Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction
Motorstorm
Resistance
Warhawk
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Siren: Blood Curse
Disgaea 3
Tekken 5: DR
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
Socom: Confrontation
WipEout HD


INCOMING for 2009:

KillZone 2
Yakuza 3
Heavy Rain
Gran Turismo 5
Final Fantasy XIII:versus
White Knight Chronicles
God of War 3
InFamous
Uncharted 2
Quantum Theory
Final Fantasy XIII
Demon`s Soul
MAG
Agency
Ico 3
Wardevil
Eyepet
Heavenly Sword 2

And that doesn't even include multiplatform titles which can be added. Did you read the 2 links I posted chubby?
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3514.12.2008 12:04

Dang!!!...What happens in the dark will always come to the light. I posted lastnight about the PS3 price and i am not going to count how many people have posted basically saying the same thing. Also i noted that a lot of people seem to have wanted a PS3 originally as their first choice just as i did.

I am also glad microsoft's dirt came to the light as well b/c it doesnot make sense to sell a product that you knew was originally defective. (RROD) At least they admitted and honor their extended warranty though. The next issue Microsoft needs to address is that lousy d-pad they released on their controller. It makes it hell to play 2-d fighting games like MK series, SF Series etc... It isnt well built. I would rather use a SNES controller with those types of games rather than miss an uppercut or fireball move when it counts most.

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So, like I said in my previous post; NPD numbers are as useless as t*ts on a bull. Worldwide numbers for the year will be release at the end of January 2009. Wait until then.

I understand what you are saying but HONESTLY... if you had to bet your next months salary on who would sale most as the years end an educated guess would say that Wii will be in first, Xbox360 will be number two, and PS3 will most likely be last.

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I think people should complain less about the price and more about the limited amount of good games.

good games can only take the PS3 so far when the masses agree a price cut of the console is necessary.

3614.12.2008 12:13

Originally posted by chubbyInc:
I think people should complain less about the price and more about the limited amount of good games.

If PS3 brought out some quality exclusive games that would give more people the reason to buy the system.

Currently my PS3 is being used as a Blu-ray/DVD player and my xbox is the gaming machine.

Where you been hiding the last year to make a crazy & foolish statement like that.....lol.
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3714.12.2008 12:18

Originally posted by plmuon:
I have waited 1 year to buy a PS3, waiting for the price to come down.

In the meantime, standalone blueray players have dropped to Sfr. 200 (about $150) so I have bought a stand-alone player, and instead of the PS3 I have bought a WII 3 weeks ago. The WII is much cheaper and so are the games for it. The more serious games I'll continue to play on PC.

If PS3 price would have dropped, I would have bought one. PS3 will go down if sony remains so arrogant.

Its isn't Arrogant right now the cost to Sony to make a PS3 is 300 bucks so where can they give the price cut.Sony going to make one next year around March which is the end of there year end cycle.

3814.12.2008 12:42

Isn't sony already taking a huge hit by selling the ps3 at 400 usd? If they drop the price anytime soon that's going to be a red flag that they are getting desperate. They really have to approach this issue carefully, instead of trying to improve everything on the ps3 at once they should focus on one aspect at a time eventually making a well rounded media center/console and then tweaking all the different little things.

I know this has been repeated time and time again but the emphasis on blu-ray movies helped them in the beginning and now is hurting them. They haven't focused as much on the other aspects of the console. I remember all of those firmware updates seemed to be for audio/video codec's and tweaking blu-ray playback. I really want the ps3 to fair well in this current-gen battle but it still seems like an uphill struggle considering how much they've invested in this console and the 10 year plan that has been laid out.

3914.12.2008 13:15

Originally posted by redux79:
Isn't sony already taking a huge hit by selling the ps3 at 400 usd? If they drop the price anytime soon that's going to be a red flag that they are getting desperate. They really have to approach this issue carefully, instead of trying to improve everything on the ps3 at once they should focus on one aspect at a time eventually making a well rounded media center/console and then tweaking all the different little things.

I know this has been repeated time and time again but the emphasis on blu-ray movies helped them in the beginning and now is hurting them. They haven't focused as much on the other aspects of the console. I remember all of those firmware updates seemed to be for audio/video codec's and tweaking blu-ray playback. I really want the ps3 to fair well in this current-gen battle but it still seems like an uphill struggle considering how much they've invested in this console and the 10 year plan that has been laid out.
Sony has said that they where to be profitable with the PS3 by end of quarter 2008 and had been rumored to be at breaking even a few months back. I think someone here already said the BD laser was like $90 to make in the beginning and is now at $9 currently or something to that effect. I really can't see how something that is 2x the price in the US and about 4x the price in the EU selling equal numbers to it's direct HD competitor that has a current entry level price of $199 and having a 1 year head start "failing" or to be looked at as bad? I am sorry but I cannot agree with that.
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4014.12.2008 13:56

Quote:

God of War 3

I really do hope we see that next year. Probably the only game I would ever go to buy in stores on launch night haha

4114.12.2008 14:28

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God of War 3

I really do hope we see that next year. Probably the only game I would ever go to buy in stores on launch night haha
Checkout Spike TV tonight they are going to show actual in game footage tonight....Cmon DVD what about Killzone 2 ?
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4214.12.2008 14:37

Watch the SpikeTV VGA's tonight @ 9pm EST Andre for some real time gameplay footage...though looking at the trailer I somehow don't doubt this is actually in game http://www.videogamer.com/videos/god_of_war_iii_trailer.html . If you you don't have SpikeTV available in your area you can watch in online here http://www.spike.com/event/vga/page/live-camera


Edit: ah you beat me to it NexGen while I was sourcing the links and video.

Killzone 2...<drools> I am pissed I didn't get into the mp beta! It was the only one I missed so far.

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4314.12.2008 14:38

In defense to the PS3, in order to get the Xbox 360 to be anything like the PS3 as far a features, you end up spending more than what the 160GB PS3 sells for. The Xbox doesn't have wireless built in, or a High Definition player, (the HD-DVD player is extra). The PS3 is WI-FI ready, and already has Blu-Ray built in. Plus the Xbox is pretty much running at capacity as far as hardware is concerned. The PS3 has an 8 core processor that is only using 7 cores. The GPU on the Xbox is also running a shared RAM system, unlike the PS3. Give it time, and the PS3 will be wiping the floor with XBOX due to the lacking hardware. Xbox will have to come out with a new system just to keep up.

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4414.12.2008 14:47

Originally posted by Fab_Rat:
Plus the Xbox is pretty much running at capacity as far as hardware is concerned.
I believe I actually said that last year (maybe even a bit earlier)! But you can't really say it's a slouch...I mean look at Gears 2 you have to give it it's due credit, though I have to throw a jab at it in that it is not a vast difference in graphical advance over the first. But that is more of a testament to the Unreal engine showing it's age and not really the 360. Hopefully MS can come up with something inhouse that extends their "power" inside.

4514.12.2008 14:51

Quote:
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God of War 3

I really do hope we see that next year. Probably the only game I would ever go to buy in stores on launch night haha
Checkout Spike TV tonight they are going to show actual in game footage tonight....Cmon DVD what about Killzone 2 ?
Thanks guys, and yeah Killzone looks great too but I'm more of a fan of 3rd person adventure/action games over FPS, and GOW 2 was my favorite game ever. :)

4614.12.2008 14:59

Then if you watch the VGA's tonight you will also get a sneak peek at Uncharted 2 for your TPS fix!

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4714.12.2008 15:11

Originally posted by Oner:
Then if you watch the VGA's tonight you will also get a sneak peek at Uncharted 2 for your TPS fix!
They're showing Uncharted 2 gameplay already? They just announced though?


4814.12.2008 15:40

Lower the price and i will buy one,simple as.The way things are at the moment i just can not afford one.

4914.12.2008 16:42

well idk but, i also own all three consoles, and i love the ps3 only for its bluray capabilities, i love watching hi def movies..my 360 is the gaming machine i use everyday though. The fact is.. ps3 needs to come up with better games and most importantly, lower the console price!. I mean look at the 360...only $200 for the arcade plus $40 for a 20gb hard drive, and a controller: http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Refurbish...roductDetail.do
I also have waaaay more friends on 360 than on ps3, so i play 360 more. Oh yeah, and the wii... just sucks.. never use it.

5014.12.2008 16:59

Look, I think it should be considered a "sinking ship" due to the graphics! It worse then the PS1 & PS2! The firmware in the PS3 is 1.50% and the PS1 & PS2 is 1.80%.

5114.12.2008 17:04

Originally posted by Aaron4451:
Look, I think it should be considered a "sinking ship" due to the graphics! It worse then the PS1 & PS2! The firmware in the PS3 is 1.50% and the PS1 & PS2 is 1.80%.
Is this an attempt to flame the PS3..? It's obvious that the PS3 has the best graphics. It's almost the same as the 360, but when you can choose the best settings PS3 has better graphics.

5214.12.2008 17:20

Originally posted by kikzm33z:
Originally posted by Aaron4451:
Look, I think it should be considered a "sinking ship" due to the graphics! It worse then the PS1 & PS2! The firmware in the PS3 is 1.50% and the PS1 & PS2 is 1.80%.
Is this an attempt to flame the PS3..? It's obvious that the PS3 has the best graphics. It's almost the same as the 360, but when you can choose the best settings PS3 has better graphics.
Can anyone attempt to decipher what in the hell was meant by Aaron? Because I sure don't get it...but anyway ~ Uncharted 1, GT5P, MGS4 & Killzone 2 (to name a few) all say HI!
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5314.12.2008 17:35

Originally posted by Oner:
Can anyone attempt to decipher what in the hell was meant by Aaron? Because I sure don't get it...but anyway ~ Uncharted 1, GT5P, MGS4 & Killzone 2 (to name a few) all say HI!
Sounds like he equated the firmware version to the graphics for some reason.

Personally, I have never seen a firmware upgrade improve graphics in a game and newer technology is bound to have better graphics with a lower firmware version (for the most part) simply due to it being younger.

5414.12.2008 21:05
Globe08
Inactive

Originally posted by Fab_Rat:
In defense to the PS3, in order to get the Xbox 360 to be anything like the PS3 as far a features, you end up spending more than what the 160GB PS3 sells for. The Xbox doesn't have wireless built in, or a High Definition player, (the HD-DVD player is extra). The PS3 is WI-FI ready, and already has Blu-Ray built in. Plus the Xbox is pretty much running at capacity as far as hardware is concerned. The PS3 has an 8 core processor that is only using 7 cores. The GPU on the Xbox is also running a shared RAM system, unlike the PS3. Give it time, and the PS3 will be wiping the floor with XBOX due to the lacking hardware. Xbox will have to come out with a new system just to keep up.

I dont think so if that were the case the wii would be getting their asses kicked and obviously they are not.

5514.12.2008 21:34

Finally back after like a year... My old name was vinny13... Who knows what happened to that account >:

Anyways, I've still been viewing the site with my mouth shut, and I find it funny how I remember so many people would beg for a price drop and complain until it happened, and then when it finally did, everyone was happy for ONE day. Then the next day after the drop the same people would go back to complaining and say they'll buy at the next drop.

Just stupid.

Soon enough the PS3 will be $200 and no one will buy it because by then it'll be old technology, and I doubt it'll end like the PS2 sadly, unless it gets that cheap with that many games that aren't crappy EA ports ;)

Basically there's no use in waiting anymore. It's not like it's launch date anymore with no good games and a high price tag. Buy it while the good stuff is fresh.

And when the next price drop comes, probably like $350, I can't see to many people complaining about that because that's what most people spent on a defective easy-bake oven (I don't mean to flame but most of the people that complain about the price rave about other or their console and how much cheaper it is, both ways) lol

Console prices aren't issues for me, it's about the games. I just bought a brand new Super Nintendo for $90 :)

5614.12.2008 23:52

ps3 needs to sink. u can get a BluRay player for 159 now. sooo. that advantage alone isn't a bargining chip.

and MGS4 came out in april. who the hell cares about that game now. its old as balls!

LBP didn't move any systems. the game looks retarded and from what i read the user created states are moderated to the point of nonexistence!

Sony has to drop the price on that thing down to 299 to at least compete. sinking 400 dollars in this lousy economy for a system that's not doing as well as 360 in terms of games, wont last to long.

thats just what i think.

Resistance 1 and 2 and another Uncharted game just arent gonna sell enough systems. just not gonna do it. how are you gonna go up against Gears Of War 2?

anyway. as long as they keep the PSP alive. i can give to schitts about the PS3.

5715.12.2008 1:47

The one thing that really pisses me off is the fact that Sony is using their PS3 to push blu-ray in hopes to gain hardware sales. No one cares about Blu-ray, not for the time being at least. That's their biggest problem and it's too damn expensive. I have a PS3 because it was given to me as a gift, but I wouldn't buy another with my own money.

Commercials about blu-ray this, blu-ray that, PS3 internal blu-ray player, ECT on and on. We know that Sony beat HD-DVD, now they need to cool it and drop their ad campaigns of blu-ray. We understand that the PS3 has an internal blu-ray player, they are just becoming too predictable. What they should be focusing on is on expanding their library and producing quality games. Anyone can mass produce games, but are they worth wasting our time in playing and buying them? Quantity will beat quality sometimes, but the 360 has proven that quality will surpass quantity. I'm not talking about the 360's RROD. I'm mainly talking about the software. Everyone knows that the 360 has a high hardware failure rate, but that doesn't stop them from buying one. Games, it all comes down to the quality of games. That's why I own a 360. I'm not a fanboy. I'm just saying it how it is, whether we like it or not its the truth.

5815.12.2008 2:06

Quote:
In defense to the PS3, in order to get the Xbox 360 to be anything like the PS3 as far a features, you end up spending more than what the 160GB PS3 sells for. The Xbox doesn't have wireless built in, or a High Definition player, (the HD-DVD player is extra). The PS3 is WI-FI ready, and already has Blu-Ray built in. Plus the Xbox is pretty much running at capacity as far as hardware is concerned. The PS3 has an 8 core processor that is only using 7 cores. The GPU on the Xbox is also running a shared RAM system, unlike the PS3. Give it time, and the PS3 will be wiping the floor with XBOX due to the lacking hardware. Xbox will have to come out with a new system just to keep up.


all those reasons you listed are the reasons the ps3 is priced so much higher than its competitors and the reason why they are not selling ps3's like hotcakes.

Reality check..........u do a lot of talk about the cell processor and what is written down on paper but I like see less talk of capabilities and more performance shown. Really don't care about the graphics but I am tired of people saying the ps3 is more powerful. Note.....wasnot the saturn more powerful than the psone? Yep but bad design made it hard to program for the saturn. When ps3 games look so great that its like comparing the graphics on ps3/xbox360 to the lesser capable graphics of the wii, then tell me about what the ps3 can do.
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5915.12.2008 3:37

What and AWESOME RELIABLE source!

CNN is owned by Time Warner Company
Microsoft has 25% of Time Warner Company stock

You guys can connect the dots (^_^)

6015.12.2008 5:03

Originally posted by gleone:
"WII is already dead to developers because they've decided not to make games for it, for the most part. You'll see Nintendo releasing the bulk of the WII games other than a few half-baked ports of top sellers like Madden, etc."
Which developers is it dead to? Those that cater to the hardcore? Probably. I think over 25 million units worldwide and still selling isn't something to overlook. They're NOT gonna run out of developers. The WII isn't "Hardcore" it's in another league and not worth comparing to XBOX and PS3. I'm going to assume most people don't play it everyday. It's mostly put away or gathering dust.. but when you have guests of different ages and backgrounds that's where it shines. I have the cheesy little WII sports game and bust-a-move. That's it. It all just sits quietly below my plasma next to my giant collection of XBOX games and a few PS3 games. But I find that when I have guests over, most want to play bowling on the WII. So I dust that baby off, fire it up, and we all swing that controller like idiots. I'll even show grandma what's up. She deserves no handicap so I drop strikes on her like Baghdad. Anyways, the stupid gimmicky WII name actually fits it's purpose.

I'm hardcore with the XBOX, less on PS3, and people friendly with the WII. Still, my weapon of choice is XBOX for killing friends online and talking s**t to them at work/school after. I only play PS3 online to own people I don't know personally because nobody owns it. OK, I have a few friends that own a PS3, but they never have any of the games I play online. PS3 is a sinking ship compared to PS2. I like some of the games, but for me I rather play co-op or against somebody I know and XBOX so far dominates online.

6115.12.2008 8:24

Originally posted by kyo28:
What and AWESOME RELIABLE source!

CNN is owned by Time Warner Company
Microsoft has 25% of Time Warner Company stock

You guys can connect the dots (^_^)
I was going to say the same thing...

6215.12.2008 8:38
Globe08
Inactive

Originally posted by kyo28:
What and AWESOME RELIABLE source!

CNN is owned by Time Warner Company
Microsoft has 25% of Time Warner Company stock

You guys can connect the dots (^_^)
Their views may be expressed in a biased way but their numbers their using to make their judgements out not lying(ndp gathered the info their basing their aritcle off). I do agree to those who said just a few months ago it was a battle between the 360 and ps3 and now its dead and over for the ps3. Its too early to say that and their views are exxagerated but the ps3 isnt looking so hot with its poor sales during peak sales season. Nothing matters in reference to the poor sales. High price is just an excuse for poor sales. As is the poor economy. The way i see it excuses satisfy the people who make them. All of the big 3 started on an equal playing field with the same goal and that is too sell the most console and make the most money. MS dicked up RROD trying to rush it out first that is their fault and nobody elses. PS3 misjudged the consumers wants and want to pay for the "premium" technology and Nintendo set out to do what they did. People need to stop excusing poor sales for the ps3 and referencing the rrod and other flaws of other consoles.If you want to talk about the wii sucking if thats your opinion (i agree), if you want to talk about the rrod and how unacceptable it is then do so(i agree) but dont sit here and say the numbers are cooked and so forth and so on. Because for some reason the only people saying that are saying in takin a stand for the ps3. It is what it is the ps3 is in last due to price and a slew of reasons that we could argue til we turned blue in the face. Its sony's job to figure out why it has poor sales and our right to talk about why it is that way. But its pointless for us bloggers/posters to say these numbers are cooked. 98% of information we recieve in life is filtered its a little over the top to go conspiracy theory on the console war.

END RANT

6315.12.2008 9:30

I once had a visit from Sony telling me to stop chipping their consoles cause it was losing them money. In those days they were top of the pile and making loads of money.

They can't blame the likes of me now. I'd suggest they leak a chip for the ps3 and watch it shoot to the top of the charts once again.

Oh they can come and see me again with an apology ;)

6415.12.2008 9:33

Quote:
Originally posted by kyo28:
What and AWESOME RELIABLE source!

CNN is owned by Time Warner Company
Microsoft has 25% of Time Warner Company stock

You guys can connect the dots (^_^)
Their views may be expressed in a biased way but their numbers their using to make their judgements out not lying(ndp gathered the info their basing their aritcle off). I do agree to those who said just a few months ago it was a battle between the 360 and ps3 and now its dead and over for the ps3. Its too early to say that and their views are exxagerated but the ps3 isnt looking so hot with its poor sales during peak sales season. Nothing matters in reference to the poor sales. High price is just an excuse for poor sales. As is the poor economy. The way i see it excuses satisfy the people who make them. All of the big 3 started on an equal playing field with the same goal and that is too sell the most console and make the most money. MS dicked up RROD trying to rush it out first that is their fault and nobody elses. PS3 misjudged the consumers wants and want to pay for the "premium" technology and Nintendo set out to do what they did. People need to stop excusing poor sales for the ps3 and referencing the rrod and other flaws of other consoles.If you want to talk about the wii sucking if thats your opinion (i agree), if you want to talk about the rrod and how unacceptable it is then do so(i agree) but dont sit here and say the numbers are cooked and so forth and so on. Because for some reason the only people saying that are saying in takin a stand for the ps3. It is what it is the ps3 is in last due to price and a slew of reasons that we could argue til we turned blue in the face. Its sony's job to figure out why it has poor sales and our right to talk about why it is that way. But its pointless for us bloggers/posters to say these numbers are cooked. 98% of information we recieve in life is filtered its a little over the top to go conspiracy theory on the console war.

END RANT
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I agree as you stated all the consoles have their flaws comprimising sales.

Wii ---Lower end graphics and lacking some of the ps3/xbox360 games
xbox360---rushed and poor hardware design resulting in legend of RROD
PS3---Plagued by overpriced view of what sony thinks consumers want
caused by the Blueray drive, and cellprocessor(the most overhy-
ped chip to date)

6515.12.2008 9:44

The same could be said about certain opinions which have no proof or basis behind them while others provide links, articles and valid numbers....me, I'd the rather proof whether it be actual sales figures (trusted on top of that) that support was is said or even if with my own eyes that with titles like Uncharted, MGS4, GT5P & Killzone 2 that definitely shows quite a bit of advancement over the competition. And yes that is directly because of a supposed "overhyped" processor ;) but to each his own.

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6615.12.2008 15:23

Originally posted by Oner:
The same could be said about certain opinions which have no proof or basis behind them while others provide links, articles and valid numbers....me, I'd the rather proof whether it be actual sales figures (trusted on top of that) that support was is said or even if with my own eyes that with titles like Uncharted, MGS4, GT5P & Killzone 2 that definitely shows quite a bit of advancement over the competition. And yes that is directly because of a supposed "overhyped" processor ;) but to each his own.
I guess that depends on what your definition of "quite a bit" is. You cant tell me that sony didnot hype that cellchip up saying how much more powerfull it was than the 360's processor. They didnot make it like it was just a bit more powerful but as they said a lot that is was almost twice as powerful.. None of those games you listed shows quite a bit of advancement that proof any of that to the extent that sony would have made the consumers believe.
I am not saying PS3 graphics on those particular titles are not better, they very well may be but sony hasnot proved themselve to the extent that they boasted. Please dont ask me to find proof that sony has stated that the PS3 would be almost twice as powerful as the xbox360 b/c you know it can be easily found from reliable sources. All i am saying is that as of this present date, sony stretched the truth b/c you know and everyone else out their that is a realist that the graphics on the two consoles are still comparable. I am not saying what might be down the road a year from now but if the graphics are not comparable(meaning close) and you can show proof that i am wrong i will surely admit my mistake and eat this entire laptop i am typeing on. LOL

Also wanted to note that Killzone 2 hasnot been released yet and usually we expect newer games to be released that may be better graphicwise than previous title dont we? Those other titles you listed, GT5P, uncharted, were both said to have beatiful graphics i agree, I did the research but not better than Gears of War. And as i stated earlier i am a realist and i have played MGS4 with my own hands and eyes in 1080p on a phillips HDTV and i admit i was impressed. I told my cousin those were the best graphics i had seen on a console to date. I keep it real, i am not going to lie about that. I just want you to do the same. But at the same time with me not playing those other titles in person i have read online from countless sites, reviews, people just like you saying they agreed that MGS4 was PS3 best graphics to date. I personally experience MGS4 for a week so i can say i have seen and played PS3's best graphics to date. Do you have any opinion that would argue with that?...........With that said MGS4 is still a comparable game to some of xbox360's best. It is not a huge leap in graphics but i keep it real enough to say i loved the graphics and to me they were cleaner, crisper and more detailed than anything i had seen period. That includes all PS3 games and xbox360 games. Those other title you listed, besides the unreleased killzone2, have great graphics but dont show an advancement over the competition as you stated. They are not on MGS4's level.
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6715.12.2008 15:53

I have all 3 systems. I know some people may have seen post this before. I play my PS3 daily, I also used to play my 360 daily, and as for the Wii since the 3rd week I owned it. I haven't touched it. I can agree with most on that Sony should put their console in a better price range of may $250 - $350. They don't need to keep upping the hard drive when people can purchase their own and put it in. It defeats the purpose of giving consumers that option. As for the PS3 online play, I enjoy it. Free is just for me period. I know some will agree and others will find some way that Free = crap. Most of the time the lags online are from whom ever is hosting that game. If they are using a connection that's in use else where in their local network then you'll see a drop off and it's not the servers fault or Sony's.

As for my 360 it has it's perks but between the RROD and pay M$ for gaming online. I haven't played it as hard as before. Yes there are more users on M$ XBL but that doesn't always mean because you pay it's better. All in all I like my PS3 better. I don't see the system sinking as the article said but I do believe Sony needs to be smart entering the new year. M$ already has the year lead. They need to get away from the Blu-Ray promotion and promote the console better.

6815.12.2008 16:19
susieqbbb
Inactive

I have to agree.

I own a nintendo wii and a xbox 360.

I don't see a use for a ps3 at all.

Not only for blu-ray.

But for games as well.

I find it funny that this quote unquote console says it is the most powerful machine around if that where true then we wouldn't have to install 6 and 8 gig files on the hard drive of the console to get the performance from the software for that console.

Sure microsoft's xbox 360 gives you the option of installing the games to the hard drive using the nxe but you dont have to.

Where with the ps3 you have to.

6915.12.2008 16:30

The PS3 has used only a small chunk of it's power where as the 360 is already maxed out is it not? From what people say...

According to Gamespot,"KillZone 2 has the best graphics of any console game to date".

The only problem with the PS3 is that programing for it is harder because of new tech. 360 apparently uses old stuff that the devs know how to work, like a pimped out PS2?

Then you have the lazy-ass devs like EA and some other losers that port their crappy games and make them look even crappier on a PS3 which makes the console look bad.

And just about every gaming site is biased towards 360 too...

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Above^

Originally posted by susieqbbb:

I find it funny that this quote unquote console says it is the most powerful machine around if that where true then we wouldn't have to install 6 and 8 gig files on the hard drive of the console to get the performance from the software for that console.

Sure microsoft's xbox 360 gives you the option of installing the games to the hard drive using the nxe but you dont have to.

Where with the ps3 you have to.
Well on the PS3 there's room to install the games and on most 360s there isn't. I don't see the problem.
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7015.12.2008 19:07

Originally posted by susieqbbb:
"I find it funny that this quote unquote console says it is the most powerful machine around if that where true then we wouldn't have to install 6 and 8 gig files on the hard drive of the console to get the performance from the software for that console.

Sure microsoft's xbox 360 gives you the option of installing the games to the hard drive using the nxe but you dont have to.

Where with the ps3 you have to."
This argument is getting as pathetic as RROD. RROD has in fact decreased, and an 120GB 2.5" HDD is as cheap as $60. At least I don't have pay $160 for the same size, and trust me, if I do happen to get a 360, I'll want the biggest HDD possible cause I'll be storing a heap load of games on it. And that for me is mandatory. Who knows, I might get a solid state drive for my PS3 in the future to see load times for some games decrease.
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7115.12.2008 20:32

Originally posted by lxhotboy:
Originally posted by Oner:
The same could be said about certain opinions which have no proof or basis behind them while others provide links, articles and valid numbers....me, I'd the rather proof whether it be actual sales figures (trusted on top of that) that support was is said or even if with my own eyes that with titles like Uncharted, MGS4, GT5P & Killzone 2 that definitely shows quite a bit of advancement over the competition. And yes that is directly because of a supposed "overhyped" processor ;) but to each his own.
I guess that depends on what your definition of "quite a bit" is. You cant tell me that sony didnot hype that cellchip up saying how much more powerfull it was than the 360's processor. They didnot make it like it was just a bit more powerful but as they said a lot that is was almost twice as powerful.. None of those games you listed shows quite a bit of advancement that proof any of that to the extent that sony would have made the consumers believe.
I am not saying PS3 graphics on those particular titles are not better, they very well may be but sony hasnot proved themselve to the extent that they boasted. Please dont ask me to find proof that sony has stated that the PS3 would be almost twice as powerful as the xbox360 b/c you know it can be easily found from reliable sources. All i am saying is that as of this present date, sony stretched the truth b/c you know and everyone else out their that is a realist that the graphics on the two consoles are still comparable. I am not saying what might be down the road a year from now but if the graphics are not comparable(meaning close) and you can show proof that i am wrong i will surely admit my mistake and eat this entire laptop i am typeing on. LOL

Also wanted to note that Killzone 2 hasnot been released yet and usually we expect newer games to be released that may be better graphicwise than previous title dont we? Those other titles you listed, GT5P, uncharted, were both said to have beatiful graphics i agree, I did the research but not better than Gears of War. And as i stated earlier i am a realist and i have played MGS4 with my own hands and eyes in 1080p on a phillips HDTV and i admit i was impressed. I told my cousin those were the best graphics i had seen on a console to date. I keep it real, i am not going to lie about that. I just want you to do the same. But at the same time with me not playing those other titles in person i have read online from countless sites, reviews, people just like you saying they agreed that MGS4 was PS3 best graphics to date. I personally experience MGS4 for a week so i can say i have seen and played PS3's best graphics to date. Do you have any opinion that would argue with that?...........With that said MGS4 is still a comparable game to some of xbox360's best. It is not a huge leap in graphics but i keep it real enough to say i loved the graphics and to me they were cleaner, crisper and more detailed than anything i had seen period. That includes all PS3 games and xbox360 games. Those other title you listed, besides the unreleased killzone2, have great graphics but dont show an advancement over the competition as you stated. They are not on MGS4's level.

Morreale basically explained what I would have but as for Uncharted







And those where captured using a digital camera OFF of an HDTV...there where quite a few gaming sites that said it was the best graphically & gameplay wise on ANY system at the time (yet somehow it didn't win anything).

And some for GT5P which hands down there is absolutely nothing that comes close to that on a console, hell I would even go as far as PC...but I know I will get reamed for that remark ;)







Now that is not to say these games (even MGS4) are way beyond anything in comparison as I have seen faults in them (and many other titles for all platforms) but it is hard to agree with how these titles have been "downplayed" so much.
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7215.12.2008 20:35

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by kyo28:
What and AWESOME RELIABLE source!

CNN is owned by Time Warner Company
Microsoft has 25% of Time Warner Company stock

You guys can connect the dots (^_^)
Their views may be expressed in a biased way but their numbers their using to make their judgements out not lying(ndp gathered the info their basing their aritcle off). I do agree to those who said just a few months ago it was a battle between the 360 and ps3 and now its dead and over for the ps3. Its too early to say that and their views are exxagerated but the ps3 isnt looking so hot with its poor sales during peak sales season. Nothing matters in reference to the poor sales. High price is just an excuse for poor sales. As is the poor economy. The way i see it excuses satisfy the people who make them. All of the big 3 started on an equal playing field with the same goal and that is too sell the most console and make the most money. MS dicked up RROD trying to rush it out first that is their fault and nobody elses. PS3 misjudged the consumers wants and want to pay for the "premium" technology and Nintendo set out to do what they did. People need to stop excusing poor sales for the ps3 and referencing the rrod and other flaws of other consoles.If you want to talk about the wii sucking if thats your opinion (i agree), if you want to talk about the rrod and how unacceptable it is then do so(i agree) but dont sit here and say the numbers are cooked and so forth and so on. Because for some reason the only people saying that are saying in takin a stand for the ps3. It is what it is the ps3 is in last due to price and a slew of reasons that we could argue til we turned blue in the face. Its sony's job to figure out why it has poor sales and our right to talk about why it is that way. But its pointless for us bloggers/posters to say these numbers are cooked. 98% of information we recieve in life is filtered its a little over the top to go conspiracy theory on the console war.

END RANT
\

I agree as you stated all the consoles have their flaws comprimising sales.

Wii ---Lower end graphics and lacking some of the ps3/xbox360 games
xbox360---rushed and poor hardware design resulting in legend of RROD
PS3---Plagued by overpriced view of what sony thinks consumers want
caused by the Blueray drive, and cellprocessor(the most overhy-
ped chip to date)


the question what does rrod stand for.

7315.12.2008 20:45

Originally posted by Oner:
And some for GT5P which hands down there is absolutely nothing that comes close to that on a console, hell I would even go as far as PC...but I know I will get reamed for that remark ;)






I forgot about GT5P lol

I showed my dad and my friends (diehard 360 fanboys, jealous of my PS3 ;]) the game and they thought the cars in the intro movie and in-game were real :P

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7415.12.2008 20:49

Originally posted by wolf123:
the question what does rrod stand for.
Red Ring of Death

7515.12.2008 20:52

Originally posted by Morreale:
I forgot about GT5P lol

I showed my dad and my friends (diehard 360 fanboys, jealous of my PS3 ;]) the game and they thought the cars in the intro movie and in-game were real :P
You liked those then you will like these...



















Sorry for the size of the pics but I just found them.
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7616.12.2008 0:10

LOL now I know why this page took forever to load... those are some great screen shots, I can't really tell if those are in-game or cinematic.

When I eventually buy a ps3 I'll most likely only get the ps3 exclusive titles, and leave the multi-console releases for 360.

7716.12.2008 4:19

Since when was a news network game smart there sure is alot of ps3 hatin goin on now i've notice more than usual

7816.12.2008 8:24

@Oner

Damn Oner, Those are some nice screenshots. I will have hotsauce on with my laptop now and a little bit of lemonpepper. LMAO

Been wanting a PS3 for a while to play uncharted but i dont see paying that much for it. Plus i am tired of wanting to play a game but i cant b/c my 5year old is hogging the 360 playing NFS. They need to get that price drop done in a hurry.

7916.12.2008 9:28

Originally posted by redux79:
LOL now I know why this page took forever to load... those are some great screen shots, I can't really tell if those are in-game or cinematic.

When I eventually buy a ps3 I'll most likely only get the ps3 exclusive titles, and leave the multi-console releases for 360.
Naughty Dog uses "in-game" for everything from the gameplay to the cinematics, no bullshots or retouches...what you see is what you get. If you get a chance to experience Uncharted 1 (if it is your type of game) on an HDTV you will understand & really appreciate it :)

You also might want to do some research on multi-console releases on a 1 by 1 basis since titles like Call of Duty 4, Dead Space, Burnout Paradise & others are actually better on the PS3. Especially now that more and more devs are seeing that it is more effective & economical to start on the PS3 and port over to the 360. You get a much more equal product or sometimes better while ending up improving sales overall for them. Plus you get free multiplayer & a more reliable platform to use it on.

Now that obviously isn't for all titles. As I do agree most multiplatforms have been better on the 360 but that has been changing and it can only get better. I personally prefer being able to use a console that won't break on me (which will be the 4th time when it will happen again) even if the difference in the overall game is "less"; to me that becomes negligible since I have the peace of mind that comes with the reliability & free multiplayer capabilities/aspect.

8016.12.2008 9:41

Originally posted by TBandit:
Since when was a news network game smart there sure is alot of ps3 hatin goin on now i've notice more than usual
I have to agree. Between

CNN ~ who, when it comes to gaming are out of the loop, misinformed & oddly report partial half truths instead of the whole information

Gamespot ~ for Gerstmann Gate

GameTrailers ~ for using PS3 video as 360 footage to then say the PS3 version looks worse & not implementing proper settings for PS3 captures

Metacritic ~ whose parent company CBS/Viacom has a $500 Million dollar deal with MS & how they pick and choose review sites instead of ALL for their data/averages

It really is quite comical. I know it sounds like conspiracy theory stuff but I don't at all mean it to be. It is just stuff that is widely known and somehow gets a "pass" in the media for some reason.
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8116.12.2008 9:52

So where do I start? Let's talk about hardware and software in general in my opinions.

Above all, the PS3 was/is a trojan horse for Blu-Ray. Now that trojan horse concept is catching up with them. The R&D and tech put into the PS3 severely handicapped it from the beginning. The development of the system pushed it out the gate a year later than the 360, and the monster lying in the shadows, the Wii, overtook everyone's momentum and continues to sell like it's going out of style. A true successor to the PS2, without the launch day flaws and marketing hysteria of Blu-Ray, bundled with a lower entry cost, may have given Sony the gold medal in this race right away. The PS2 is king, and consumers are typically brand loyal, Sony and PlayStation both being household names. Imagine the PS3 with a competitive chip and DVD media, launching at $300 and selling for $50-100 less now, and you get my drift.

Plenty of things went wrong for Sony. Alot of the hardcore audience got their next gen fix by hopping aboard the Xbox bandwagon a year early. The first Xbox was a nice machine, offering LAN, a HDD, replacing the "Duke" controller and eventually Xbox Live's launch. Over time, the Xbox 1 was a polished gamer's dream, complete with better graphics and built in features that the PS2 didn't offer out of the box (until the slim came and offered the network adapter built in; however it still lacked 4 controller ports.)

Unfortunately softmodding and a "need" to beat Sony to the store shelf in the next gen caused MS to kill Xbox 1 and shove the 360 out the door early: most of us bit on it with familiar features from the first system and upgraded for the HD era of graphics. (Let's be honest; most of the 360 launch titles were underwhelming, but the GFX got us excited. Anyone feel King Kong or PDZ is/was a classic? Or the feature stripped Madden 06.)

Spring of next year, MS has unloaded X amount of 360's and Nintendo still hasn't shown us a controller for the Revolution yet, which is rebadged as the Wii. The Wiimote is unveiled and there is a buzz around it. Sony pushes the PS3 back to November, 2 days before the Wii's launch.

Launcy Day: Blu-Ray was still an unproven "winner" in the upcoming format war with HD-DVD. Bundle those concerns with negative press over everything from upscaling movies/games to the funky syncing of controllers between systems, poor visuals from 360 ports and BWC snafus, the general feeling on the PS3 may have been a "wait and see approach".

Now it really seems like I'm crapping on the PS3, but I still think it has a lot of potential, however, the way it was brought to market and the continuing mess with Sony PR makes it hard to invest in the larger price tag. We were told for the longest time that this is the "Ferrari" of entertainment. Different models of the system showed wild concepts such as 2 HDMI ports (for 2 HDTV side-by-side gaming, which was "the future") and 3 gigabit ethernet ports. Before it even came out, the system had features stripped to cut cost, but still came out with a hefty price tag of $500-$600. The controllers also lacked the "rumble" feature, which was dimissed by Sony suits as "unnecesarry" and "dated", only to have the DualShock 3 come over a year later, due to popular demand.

The PS3 has started to dig itself out of the software mess, but Sony continues to flip-flop. PS Home is the latest of promised tech that continues to be delayed. What was once the "added value" of the built-in Blu-Ray capabilities (and always an added cost for the console) has turned the PS3 from an "affordable" BD player to an "expensive" BD player at a time where BD players have dropped into the sub-$200 range.

The 360 on the other hand, has conflicted views in the market, looking like the Sega Genesis of this generation, with multiple SKUs and constant hardware changes and add-on periperal devices. The saving grace for MS is it's revenue generated through Xbox Live.

As for the Wii, it appeals to everyone in general, and is something that you can take home, plug in and play, without the worries of load times, hard drives, Blu-Ray, LAN, etc. If you want internet browsing or online play, it's there (though not mature) and it's target market is more interested in just playing the game, which one just happens to be included in the box (added value?)

I think I made enough valid points about each system without going into fanboy territory. I think the fanboy comments such as "it collects dust" is mainly attributed to a lack in software design creativity. Nearly every game in this generation of consoles is a sequel or spinoff of a tried and true concept, ie. a safe bet to generate profits for the devs. Almost every title is a "Part 2" (or 3, or 4; MGS4, GTAIV, COD4, etc.) The hype is over for many anticipated titles: Metal Gear, Mario, Halo, Gears, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros., Madden, SOCOM and many more are out the gate, and the majority is stuff we've already seen before, just with a different spin (better graphics, motion controls, etc.)

In order to truly dust off the consoles, the industry needs shaken up. Of course, for fitness fanatics or gamers who scream kill-kill-kill, the gaming business seems to be doing just fine.

8216.12.2008 10:47

There are only 2 things I find difference on Prodigy and 1 that I think is a typo

1) Sony has always offered "more" in their consoles as part of their draw. PS1 CD for Video/Audio & more, PS2 CD/DVD etc, PS3 CD/DVD/BD/HDD/PSP integration plus Digital Download, WiFi etc. there has always been an upgrade or them pushing the bleeding edge of technology to again offer "more"

2) The DS3 issue where Sony said it was unnecessary and dated, only to have the DualShock 3 come over a year later, due to popular demand is a bit off in 2 ways a) Sony didn't want to pay off a company that was obviously just suing them & b) Sony was later approached by Immersion as they (Immersion) knew they where losing out on profits because of the omitance of rumble in the SixAxis.

3) This one I think is just a typo where you said

Quote:
PS Home is the latest of promised tech that continues to be delayed.
but Home is out and available now.
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8316.12.2008 11:45
Globe08
Inactive

This crap about gamin sites being bias to the 360 is so childish. Think they may be catering to a MAJORITY of its readers and most of them own the 360. The wii is not a console with a hardcore rep so its assumed their fans arent on gaming sites reading articles an dposting away. Tell sony to get there sales up and they'd get some more love til then quit the whining.

8416.12.2008 12:20

Originally posted by Oner:
There are only 2 things I find difference on Prodigy and 1 that I think is a typo

1) Sony has always offered "more" in their consoles as part of their draw. PS1 CD for Video/Audio & more, PS2 CD/DVD etc, PS3 CD/DVD/BD/HDD/PSP integration plus Digital Download, WiFi etc. there has always been an upgrade or them pushing the bleeding edge of technology to again offer "more"

2) The DS3 issue where Sony said it was unnecessary and dated, only to have the DualShock 3 come over a year later, due to popular demand is a bit off in 2 ways a) Sony didn't want to pay off a company that was obviously just suing them & b) Sony was later approached by Immersion as they (Immersion) knew they where losing out on profits because of the omitance of rumble in the SixAxis.

3) This one I think is just a typo where you said

Quote:
PS Home is the latest of promised tech that continues to be delayed.
but Home is out and available now.
I can budge on those comments.

Home is available, but still in Beta form, after being oft-delayed.

Yes, I was aware of the Immersion suit and royalty issue, and probably should've mentioned that, though Sony PR still blew it off as "old/unwanted" tech.

Sure, Sony has always offered "more" on their consoles, but I'm not sure that Blu-Ray had to fit into these plans. At the height of DVD's adoption phase, the PS2 was a second or third DVD player in the home, and not the primary player, as is the case with Blu-Ray. Also the competition with HD-DVD gave everyone a bad taste with the PS3 being an overpriced "trojan horse" IMHO.

With that said, if a PS4 were in the works, how does Sony "better" itself, with Blu-Ray being the defacto standard in the PS3 at the moment?

8516.12.2008 13:17

all sony has to do to make this console kill everything is open firmware up to 3rd party developers ... update the console to stream and decode everything known to man (like the popcorn hour a110), and release a legit branded infared remote receiver ... maybe add wireless n too as well as add the ability to make it a media server for other wireless devices on the network.... a networked bluray drive would be a benefit for free.... which i could go on and on to the benefits of minor tweaks to add much more value.


if they did all of this ...they would dominate not only the gaming market, but also be king of media tanks as well.

Oh ..maybe that was the idea behind the linux ...but it sucks ... make it easy to use ..right from the get go out of the box ... click ... and presto ...

im not a fan of the iphone, but i would bet more than half the total sales of iphones are to carriers that dont support it officially... ironically ... apply officially doesnt support jailbroken iphones ... and is dead against it, but behind the scenes you can bet Steve Jobs salary bonus is positively effected by the 3rd party world ... you think he doesnt know that? Iphones cost more than the ps3 and have sold many many more units.. open your eyes sony ... duh

Sony needs to step up ... get with the times ... and swallow its pride with all the drm crap ... and gee when you actually give consumers what they want ... instead of trying to tell us what we want ... you might actually make some cash.

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8616.12.2008 14:30

I don't have BlueRay and really not interested for now cuz i like the lower prices of movies of regular DVDs.I'm buying Dvds as low as $4.00 for older movies and $6.00 for newer ., uncoming release for $19.00( and if you wait a month you get the movie for aprox.$7.00), at Columbia house so who needs BlueRay.

8716.12.2008 17:03

Originally posted by Globe08:
This crap about gamin sites being bias to the 360 is so childish. Think they may be catering to a MAJORITY of its readers and most of them own the 360. The wii is not a console with a hardcore rep so its assumed their fans arent on gaming sites reading articles an dposting away. Tell sony to get there sales up and they'd get some more love til then quit the whining.
That's just plain stupid. BS even. If a game is crap then it's crap. You don't give it a better rating because more people buy it. All about sales... MGS4, Halo 3 and GTA4 have all received 10s from Gamespot and high scores from other sites. Which one actually deserves a 10?

"Sure this is the sh*ttiest game ever made but because so many people bought it we're gonna slap a 10 on it :)"


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Originally posted by SProdigy:
Sure, Sony has always offered "more" on their consoles, but I'm not sure that Blu-Ray had to fit into these plans. At the height of DVD's adoption phase, the PS2 was a second or third DVD player in the home, and not the primary player, as is the case with Blu-Ray. Also the competition with HD-DVD gave everyone a bad taste with the PS3 being an overpriced "trojan horse" IMHO.

With that said, if a PS4 were in the works, how does Sony "better" itself, with Blu-Ray being the defacto standard in the PS3 at the moment?
MGS4 on a DVD?

Blu-Ray might not have been too necessary NOW surely it adds onto the lifespan of the system. Blu-Ray is just extra space for expansion. There isn't a limit for content or detail. 360 is already maxed out and with limited or no HDD space on a majority of their sold consoles they can't really do much about it... The upcoming game Rage is supposed to look noticeably better on the PS3 because on the 360 they are splitting it onto 2 DVDs and that still isn't enough room. Microsoft is charging the devs too much for a third disc apparently. That's just one random game but that kind of situation is bound to become more common.

A 360 is more of a static console where as the PS3 is more dynamic, if you know what that means.

Why do people always look at Blu-Ray as a movie player instead of a big disc with tons of room?
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8816.12.2008 18:35
Globe08
Inactive

Quote:

That's just plain stupid. BS even. If a game is crap then it's crap. You don't give it a better rating because more people buy it. All about sales... MGS4, Halo 3 and GTA4 have all received 10s from Gamespot and high scores from other sites. Which one actually deserves a 10?

"Sure this is the sh*ttiest game ever made but because so many people bought it we're gonna slap a 10 on it :)"
Quote:

I wasnt saying the games on 360 deserve a better rating because they sell more and please dont play stupid while spouting intellegence in other areas of you post. Its been damn near proven games that release multiplat are better on the 360 due to ease for devs and difficulty for the ps3. If they arent any better than you tell me why the ps3 version gets its ass wiped with and the 360 is king of the town i.e madden, call of duty SERIES,Gta and so on??? I was refering to people whining when an article is posted about sony doing poorly all their loyal fans come a crying that the tabloids have it out for them. Thats what i was talking about in refernce to people saying sites prefer MS over Sony so try not to infer what i meant without asking. Last gen when sony had hella hardware issues you didnt see all this publicity not even 1/10th of it so please let us not pity Sony and their arrogant selves. I dont pity MS when crap goes wrong for them. They all are insanely rich and dont need us wimpering and whining for them like tragic heroes.I just dont understand why the sony fans/consumers are defending their mistakes. Does the ps3 have great games?Yes, Graphics? Yes, blu-ray? yes, dead last in the console race? YES. Their fans have this subserveant attitude of not accepting their product not being in first and they start making excuses. Cooked numbers,dumb consumers,needs more time to meet potential,price, and the list goes on. NDP doesnt have it out for sony they report the info and that info states they arent doing as well as they predicted.BOO HOO you like it play it and enjoy im not stressing. This insanity of the debate over this site isnt that and this site isnt this and cnn doesnt know crap. All that only holds true til they praise sony or the ps3. The ps3 is a great gaming machine its just not succeeding. Its too pricey for what people want.People keep saying how much of a deal it is and if you had to take the 360 and go feature for feature the 360 would cost more. thats apples to oranges. It doesnt matter how good of a deal sony may be offering its not good enough. Example to compare to the price analogy for the ps3. Theres a great amazing deal on a trip to cancun you can go to all the bars you want and drink free, you can have all these perks, free food to some of the local resturaunts, so on and so on for 2000 bucks(random number) or you can get this other package trip to cancun for 1300 where by you get free food to some local resturaunts(less than the more expensive package), free booz at only 8 bars in cancun and a little less perks. The first deal is great and has more value but its perks too some are exraneous and it costs MORE. Who cares if its a good deal and the company is losing money to provide them to you if its too much its too much. Bad analogy but the points there. The ps3 is the collectors edition of gaming. Not worth the extra cash for the extra things you get... its the art book i could do without...

8916.12.2008 18:52
Globe08
Inactive

The 360 is "peaking" supposedly at is 3-4year mark here i still dont think its just finished yet. The average console lifespan is 5-7 years roughly although the ps2 is still kicking but its not on peoples minds. So if thats true and The 360 peaks at the end of november of 09 then they can coast the final 2-3 years like most consoles with very limited breakthroughs technologically and when the ps3 is in its POTENTIAL amazing form we all hear about MS will be ready to pop out another console blowing away what sony concocted 6 years prior. The tech in the ps3 will be deemed old obviously and SOny thus is forced to make another console.People dont care about how much money each company is making they care about the braggin rights that come with owning the most desireable gaming machine to the majority of their peers hence people dogg the wii.

The ps3 in many ways have already unleashed some of its biggest punches with few to follow. They've put out some of their killer exclusives MGS,Uncharted which i envy ps3 owners for haiving(no sarcasm looks like game i would love), Home is out and people could seem to care less, blu-ray has been unleashed on the world. They have GOW3 and killzone to be released next year and I absolutley love the GOW series so yeat again that is something i envy ps3 owners for having but people are nuts for thinking the leaps in tech the ps3 will showcase will be something that will blow you away.

9016.12.2008 23:37

I say... make the PS3 pirate-able.. and sales will JUMP

9117.12.2008 1:59

Originally posted by sailow:
I say... make the PS3 pirate-able.. and sales will JUMP
Console sales will jump, but profits would drop by a large ammount.

9217.12.2008 3:57

Maybe I'm showing my age here, but it seems to me that PS3 is becoming the Atari Jaguar of our time. Too advanced for its own good with only a few titles available.

I also agree with the people who said that using the PS3 to win the format war has backfired. I myself thought about getting a PS3 as my Blu-Ray player, but I'm not a gamer. It would subconsciously nag me that I have this great piece of hardware, and I'm not using it to its full potential. Now player prices are coming down and the PS3, although a great bang for the buck, its not the cheapest player out there. Now there are options for those who don't want a gaming machine.

9317.12.2008 9:08

I own 3 Playstation 2's. Never owned an Xbox of any type. Haven't owned a Nintendo system since the SNES. I'll be buying a Wii. Three factors:

1) I have kids and I'd rather see them up and moving around playing video games rather than slumped over on the couch

2) Price

3) I like to run emulators and homebrew stuff...PS3 is too locked down

9417.12.2008 9:29

Originally posted by Globe08:
I wasnt saying the games on 360 deserve a better rating because they sell more and please dont play stupid while spouting intellegence in other areas of you post. Its been damn near proven games that release multiplat are better on the 360 due to ease for devs and difficulty for the ps3. If they arent any better than you tell me why the ps3 version gets its ass wiped with and the 360 is king of the town i.e madden, call of duty SERIES,Gta and so on???
Incorrect. Call of Duty 4 & GTA4 is equal/better on the PS3 (less pop in, quicker load times, same gameplay) as well others. The only ones that are just slightly less equal on the PS3 are Madden & COD 5 and again as well some others. And for the titles that are "better" it is not by a vastly huge "ass wiped" that people make it out to be. Again reliability and free online play make up any difference there might be so your point is actually moot.


Originally posted by Globe08:
I was refering to people whining when an article is posted about sony doing poorly all their loyal fans come a crying that the tabloids have it out for them. Thats what i was talking about in refernce to people saying sites prefer MS over Sony so try not to infer what i meant without asking. Last gen when sony had hella hardware issues you didnt see all this publicity not even 1/10th of it so please let us not pity Sony and their arrogant selves. I dont pity MS when crap goes wrong for them. They all are insanely rich and dont need us wimpering and whining for them like tragic heroes.I just dont understand why the sony fans/consumers are defending their mistakes. Does the ps3 have great games?Yes, Graphics? Yes, blu-ray? yes, dead last in the console race? YES. Their fans have this subserveant attitude of not accepting their product not being in first and they start making excuses. Cooked numbers,dumb consumers,needs more time to meet potential,price, and the list goes on. NDP doesnt have it out for sony they report the info and that info states they arent doing as well as they predicted.BOO HOO you like it play it and enjoy im not stressing. This insanity of the debate over this site isnt that and this site isnt this and cnn doesnt know crap.
I don't see anyone whining here. Just people including me giving PROPER VALID links and proof of what is going on in the media and giving the additional information that is conveniently omitted of which you say doesn't matter (do I REALLY need to post links to support the TRUTH of the 100% known issues with GameTrailers, Kotaku & others?). No one ever said NPD is wrong, but you can't just go by NPD. That is the issue. It seems you are taking or making this personal by flinging insults at people here because you aren't willing to see the information for which it clears up and explains to give the FULL overview and not just picked and chosen to fit 1 specific point. I would also take heed in not insulting anyone else (even if indirectly) from this point forward and just discuss your point without the diggs you have made in the last 2 or 3 posts. If you have something to say just say it. It can be done without the dramatics.


Originally posted by Globe08:
All that only holds true til they praise sony or the ps3. The ps3 is a great gaming machine its just not succeeding. Its too pricey for what people want.People keep saying how much of a deal it is and if you had to take the 360 and go feature for feature the 360 would cost more. thats apples to oranges. It doesnt matter how good of a deal sony may be offering its not good enough. Example to compare to the price analogy for the ps3. Theres a great amazing deal on a trip to cancun you can go to all the bars you want and drink free, you can have all these perks, free food to some of the local resturaunts, so on and so on for 2000 bucks(random number) or you can get this other package trip to cancun for 1300 where by you get free food to some local resturaunts(less than the more expensive package), free booz at only 8 bars in cancun and a little less perks. The first deal is great and has more value but its perks too some are exraneous and it costs MORE. Who cares if its a good deal and the company is losing money to provide them to you if its too much its too much. Bad analogy but the points there. The ps3 is the collectors edition of gaming. Not worth the extra cash for the extra things you get... its the art book i could do without...
You say it isn't succeeding but yet the PS3 had outsold the 360 in terms of relative time to what was sold. It is 100% fact the PS3 sold at a FASTER rate and sold MORE than the 360 in the same time it took MS to sell 17 Million. THAT IS FACT and not "cooked numbers" that you like to say. Just because YOU don't want to beleive it and can't realize that does not make it so. And yes the PS3 did this all while being more expensive.

Am I saying something that is not true? Nope. You cannot refute that nor downplay any of those FACTS. So again how is the PS3 under performing when it has year over year shown an increase over the previous year? Isn't that what is true? Isn't that what matters in business? That there is always GROWTH and not this "doom & gloom" of which the mass media likes to glamorize and sensationalize? How is 60% more sold in 2008 over 2007 in anyway shape or form bad. If anyone can (or would even try to) explain that I would be amazed.

In all honesty I don't get how people defend MS so vehemently? I myself have never said nor would agree that their games are bad. Their ability to offer great and fun games in conjunction with LIVE! is extremely on point. Nor do I beleive that the PS3 is going to have the most sales vs the 360 THIS YEAR. I have ONLY really taken issue with their absolutely horrible, problem riddled hardware with the 360 and wonder why/how they get a pass in all of this! My guess is everybody looks at it as of expectance from their past history with originally ripping off Windows, their piss poor OS'es over the years (95, ME, Vista) and even the first Xbox having issues with RROD.

But enough of that, the fact is if anyone is going to have a discussion then don't they need ALL of the information and not just bits and pieces or parts of a whole? Seriously, for a company to have sold over 300 Million consoles (PS1, PS2 & PSP) to be lambasted so 1 sidedly is just a false representation of their standings. Especially since their latest product has only been out for 2 years. How is it that you never hear or rarely hear the fact that the PS2's sales are in essence offsetting any "losses" of which are being endured with the PS3? Does that mean anything to people? I guess not. All they want to do is read the headlines and come to an instant decision without having to bother with the rest...


Edit: Here is a GAMING site that supports what I have said about the media and Sony/PS3. Mind you that is coming from someone who themselves have been pretty vocal about Sony's mis-steps. He also talks about TIME Magazine (which I forgot to add) and how they too provide false journalism information.

And another one
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9517.12.2008 9:39

Originally posted by IguanaC64:
I own 3 Playstation 2's. Never owned an Xbox of any type. Haven't owned a Nintendo system since the SNES. I'll be buying a Wii. Three factors:

1) I have kids and I'd rather see them up and moving around playing video games rather than slumped over on the couch

2) Price

3) I like to run emulators and homebrew stuff...PS3 is too locked down
Excellent choice and not a bad one for your family. But as for emulators and homebrew on the PS3, you can have that in the Linux side of it here are just a few

MAME
Gameboy
Gameboy Advance
NES
SNES
Sega Gamegear
Sega Master System
Sega Genesis
Turbo Graffix 16
NeoGeo
Ultimate Doom PC

And all of that does NOT violate a warranty. I already have YDL 6 on my PS3 but haven't really added any Emu's yet since I am waiting for YDL 6.1 to be available as has the introduction of ps3vram functionality which enables use of PS3 video RAM for temporary storage/swap.

Playstation 3 running Super Nintendo, Genesis, TG-16, NES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqP_NXN3-ak

Playstation 3 running MAME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q24AXU0o3I8

Playstation 3 running Gameboy Advance Gameboy NeoGeo SMS Gamegear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO5Oukbq1Qk

Other Emulators on PS3 Linux
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y8WrkDRMuI&feature=related
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9617.12.2008 10:43

I knew about YDL on PS3, but that stuff is really cool. If the console drops in price a bit more, and Blu-Ray releases are in the $15-20 range of current DVDs, I'll probably bite and get one. The AVCHD playback and network capabilities, all with a remote, are killer features for me. (It sure beats a keyboard and mouse running from my laptop; plus it would also beat my 3.5 headphone out to a Y-stereo cable with audio concerned.)

As for the 360 having limitations, I think MS obviously addressed this with the new NXE install to HDD feature, though I'm still not sure if all of that disk space is a necessity or lazy devs. Afterall, there is only ONE Wii game on a DVD-DL and the rest are single layer, still offerings tons of levels, sound, easter eggs, etc. Plus UMD and DS cards, WiiWare, PSN and Xbox Marketplace games all show what can be done with 25mb to 256mb of storage, a far cry from DVD media.

With all that said, sure Blu-Ray enhances a game like Metal Gear. Could the content have been compressed? Who knows? And still, some of the games need a partial installation with Blu media because of the seek times, so it's far from ideal. (Besides, we are talking about Metal Gear, which has always had more content than what could fit on a disc!)

9717.12.2008 15:11
Globe08
Inactive

Quote:
Originally posted by Globe08:
I wasnt saying the games on 360 deserve a better rating because they sell more and please dont play stupid while spouting intellegence in other areas of you post. Its been damn near proven games that release multiplat are better on the 360 due to ease for devs and difficulty for the ps3. If they arent any better than you tell me why the ps3 version gets its ass wiped with and the 360 is king of the town i.e madden, call of duty SERIES,Gta and so on???
Incorrect. Call of Duty 4 & GTA4 is equal/better on the PS3 (less pop in, quicker load times, same gameplay) as well others. The only ones that are just slightly less equal on the PS3 are Madden & COD 5 and again as well some others. And for the titles that are "better" it is not by a vastly huge "ass wiped" that people make it out to be. Again reliability and free online play make up any difference there might be so your point is actually moot.


Originally posted by Globe08:
I was refering to people whining when an article is posted about sony doing poorly all their loyal fans come a crying that the tabloids have it out for them. Thats what i was talking about in refernce to people saying sites prefer MS over Sony so try not to infer what i meant without asking. Last gen when sony had hella hardware issues you didnt see all this publicity not even 1/10th of it so please let us not pity Sony and their arrogant selves. I dont pity MS when crap goes wrong for them. They all are insanely rich and dont need us wimpering and whining for them like tragic heroes.I just dont understand why the sony fans/consumers are defending their mistakes. Does the ps3 have great games?Yes, Graphics? Yes, blu-ray? yes, dead last in the console race? YES. Their fans have this subserveant attitude of not accepting their product not being in first and they start making excuses. Cooked numbers,dumb consumers,needs more time to meet potential,price, and the list goes on. NDP doesnt have it out for sony they report the info and that info states they arent doing as well as they predicted.BOO HOO you like it play it and enjoy im not stressing. This insanity of the debate over this site isnt that and this site isnt this and cnn doesnt know crap.
I don't see anyone whining here. Just people including me giving PROPER VALID links and proof of what is going on in the media and giving the additional information that is conveniently omitted of which you say doesn't matter (do I REALLY need to post links to support the TRUTH of the 100% known issues with GameTrailers, Kotaku & others?). No one ever said NPD is wrong, but you can't just go by NPD. That is the issue. It seems you are taking or making this personal by flinging insults at people here because you aren't willing to see the information for which it clears up and explains to give the FULL overview and not just picked and chosen to fit 1 specific point. I would also take heed in not insulting anyone else (even if indirectly) from this point forward and just discuss your point without the diggs you have made in the last 2 or 3 posts. If you have something to say just say it. It can be done without the dramatics.


Originally posted by Globe08:
All that only holds true til they praise sony or the ps3. The ps3 is a great gaming machine its just not succeeding. Its too pricey for what people want.People keep saying how much of a deal it is and if you had to take the 360 and go feature for feature the 360 would cost more. thats apples to oranges. It doesnt matter how good of a deal sony may be offering its not good enough. Example to compare to the price analogy for the ps3. Theres a great amazing deal on a trip to cancun you can go to all the bars you want and drink free, you can have all these perks, free food to some of the local resturaunts, so on and so on for 2000 bucks(random number) or you can get this other package trip to cancun for 1300 where by you get free food to some local resturaunts(less than the more expensive package), free booz at only 8 bars in cancun and a little less perks. The first deal is great and has more value but its perks too some are exraneous and it costs MORE. Who cares if its a good deal and the company is losing money to provide them to you if its too much its too much. Bad analogy but the points there. The ps3 is the collectors edition of gaming. Not worth the extra cash for the extra things you get... its the art book i could do without...
You say it isn't succeeding but yet the PS3 had outsold the 360 in terms of relative time to what was sold. It is 100% fact the PS3 sold at a FASTER rate and sold MORE than the 360 in the same time it took MS to sell 17 Million. THAT IS FACT and not "cooked numbers" that you like to say. Just because YOU don't want to beleive it and can't realize that does not make it so. And yes the PS3 did this all while being more expensive.

Am I saying something that is not true? Nope. You cannot refute that nor downplay any of those FACTS. So again how is the PS3 under performing when it has year over year shown an increase over the previous year? Isn't that what is true? Isn't that what matters in business? That there is always GROWTH and not this "doom & gloom" of which the mass media likes to glamorize and sensationalize? How is 60% more sold in 2008 over 2007 in anyway shape or form bad. If anyone can (or would even try to) explain that I would be amazed.

In all honesty I don't get how people defend MS so vehemently? I myself have never said nor would agree that their games are bad. Their ability to offer great and fun games in conjunction with LIVE! is extremely on point. Nor do I beleive that the PS3 is going to have the most sales vs the 360 THIS YEAR. I have ONLY really taken issue with their absolutely horrible, problem riddled hardware with the 360 and wonder why/how they get a pass in all of this! My guess is everybody looks at it as of expectance from their past history with originally ripping off Windows, their piss poor OS'es over the years (95, ME, Vista) and even the first Xbox having issues with RROD.

But enough of that, the fact is if anyone is going to have a discussion then don't they need ALL of the information and not just bits and pieces or parts of a whole? Seriously, for a company to have sold over 300 Million consoles (PS1, PS2 & PSP) to be lambasted so 1 sidedly is just a false representation of their standings. Especially since their latest product has only been out for 2 years. How is it that you never hear or rarely hear the fact that the PS2's sales are in essence offsetting any "losses" of which are being endured with the PS3? Does that mean anything to people? I guess not. All they want to do is read the headlines and come to an instant decision without having to bother with the rest...


Edit: Here is a GAMING site that supports what I have said about the media and Sony/PS3. Mind you that is coming from someone who themselves have been pretty vocal about Sony's mis-steps. He also talks about TIME Magazine (which I forgot to add) and how they too provide false journalism information.

Oner,

i dont agree with hardly anything you said but i can see your point as to my insults but i would like to see it noted i responded in kind to my post being called stupid which should fall in line with the insult catergory so that should be met across the board. I dont see where what all this banter back at the cnn reports isnt seen as whining. 90% of all post were responded in a positve manner towards the cnn artcle. Most of all you posts at least from what ive seen have a pro ps3 slant. Im not knocking nor insulting you just stating it. To me what you and most posters have done is the equivalent of me going into an article where they are talking about how MS knew of the faulty discs drives and providing all this irrelvant information putting the 360 in a good light while it is my right as a poster it shows a lack of direction and clear favoritism. Fact is ps3 is in dead last and theres no need for anyone to try and spin things to how close it is or how great its potential might be. ISnt MS getting hammered on every site about knowing about the rrod,the faulty disc drives and so on? Its the media and its fair game their are always going to be favorites out there and thats just how it is. Sony had its pass with the ps2 and its hardware issues is all im saying.


As far as the ps2 sales offsetting some losses i answered that in another post and the answer is yes people dont care about the money side of it all. they like i said care about having the most desirebale console amongst their peers. WHy should we care about their pockets? rich or poor they(nintendo,ps3,MS) still let us down with desgin flaws,delays and so forth. its moot to argue the money side of it all with 90% of the people so post in gaming forums. AS long as the companies are in business and not in danger of going out of business its not that important to most. Who cares if Sony or MS is maiking slightly more money but doesnt have as good as product as the other. These are all just my views and i see myself as an educated layman. i dont intend to offend anybody i just beleive a little bit of debate and spice shake things up. I ionly thought the average poster could take a few diggs if they dish them out. I wasnt trying to get out of hand and dont think i did so. I didnt go out with malice and try to break down the psyche of some 8 year kid i read the content of the post and try and make educated judgements based off that.edn my ramble...

How in gods name is the 360 getting a pass in the media they are getting slammed every other day for something they did pertaining to their neglegence of their faulty hardware? I think MS should be getting slammed as they are,just go to generic sites such as gamepro.com or teamxbox and they are ripping them there. I dont see the need to post sites on trivial things like that the people on here should be up to date on the info its not a posters job to educate others. Providing links is something to do when one is being questioned or has vauge information or you want to show people stuff.
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9817.12.2008 15:38

MAME ? Whats that but the games look hot.

9917.12.2008 16:05

Originally posted by Globe08:
Oner,

i dont agree with hardly anything you said but i can see your point as to my insults but i would like to see it noted i responded in kind to my post being called stupid which should fall in line with the insult catergory so that should be met across the board.
If there are any problems within posts or threads at anytime please feel free to report it or PM me/any other moderator so we can assist. But rest assured that what I said goes towards anyone & everyone.


Originally posted by Globe08:
I dont see where what all this banter back at the cnn reports isnt seen as whining. 90% of all post were responded in a positve manner towards the cnn artcle. Most of all you posts at least from what ive seen have a pro ps3 slant. Im not knocking nor insulting you just stating it.
I cannot see why you would label it as whining. Honestly what does CNN & Time have to do with gaming? Especially when they have 100% wrong information or omit items that don't give the full account (that just proves my point)? As for my preference towards the PS3. Yes I do have one. Because it works when I want it to, amongst any number of other things that the Playstation brand does in stark contrast to it's competition does plus more for free. And they arguably have the much better exclusives. Now with that said I will reiterate that I ONLY take issue with the 360's poor hardware. And that's it. I might not like certain games on the 360 but ALWAYS give credit where credit is due.


Originally posted by Globe08:
Fact is ps3 is in dead last and theres no need for anyone to try and spin things to how close it is or how great its potential might be.
And I would agree for the most part in that yes they are dead last. But you fail to mention certain key facts which cannot be denied. The 360 was released 1 year ahead and 1.5 years in the EU & they have ALWAYS had a less expensive console in market. If you track/look at the numbers in comparison for when they where launched respectively you cannot deny that the PS3 did better (first 2 years vs each other). That is no small feat under those circumstances but people like you and MANY others continually downplay that of fail to acknowledge those facts.


Originally posted by Globe08:
Sony had its pass with the ps2 and its hardware issues is all im saying.
That is only partially true. You cannot compare the percentages and totals for them respectively.

2-3% of 125 Million is 2.5-3.75 Million ~ PS2

33+% of 25 Million is 8.25 Million+ ~ 360

So yes Sony deserved any and all "heat" they got but the comparison is seriously weak in that MS is getting away with something MUCH larger.


I have to run out but I will be back, but I think I got to what I wanted to discuss real quick.
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10017.12.2008 16:30
Globe08
Inactive

Quote:

That is only partially true. You cannot compare the percentages and totals for them respectively.

2-3% of 125 Million is 2.5-3.75 Million ~ PS2

33+% of 25 Million is 8.25 Million+ ~ 360

So yes Sony deserved any and all "heat" they got but the comparison is seriously weak in that MS is getting away with something MUCH larger.
Quote:


Oner,

tisk tisk how could you be so inconsiderate of my intellegence? You took the liftime amount of ps2 consoles sold over a almost 9 year period and compared it to the 3 year lifespan of the 360. That is a chidlish comparison and truly weak stuff. The ps2 corrected its ISSUE after a class action lawsuit, it would be a better representation to state the amount of affected consoles during the early stages of the ps2 when the problem was at its peak not after its all said and done and fixed 6 years later. Its like lets be real here. When the 360 is finally rid of the rrod and 5 years from now they sold lets say 85 million consoles or what have you could be less could be more... probably less. The amount affected will be hugely diminshed and thus be a better picture of things. i know the numbers probably arent available for the ps2 numbers during the disc read error but the point is you know better to mislead like that. And yes we dont know for certain the rrod will be fixed and what MS will end up selling but the point is that comparison was WAY OFF.


Yes you prefaced your statement but thats like a jury being told to disregard gruesome facts in a murder case...the seeds already planted

Quote:

And I would agree for the most part in that yes they are dead last. But you fail to mention certain key facts which cannot be denied. The 360 was released 1 year ahead and 1.5 years in the EU & they have ALWAYS had a less expensive console in market. If you track/look at the numbers in comparison for when they where launched respectively you cannot deny that the PS3 did better (first 2 years vs each other). That is no small feat under those circumstances but people like you and MANY others continually downplay that of fail to acknowledge those facts.
Quote:

I will acknowledge the ps3's feat when people come to terms that the ps3 starts with a huge advantage. They have the most loyal fans in the consumer market, they have the advantage of an installed fan base from the ps1, they have the japanese market in their favor in general, and lastly all said they set their release date nobody else did, they intended on being ahead of the 360 and as you put it they are trailing a console with the biggest hardware failure in gaming history!Their internet is FREE MS' is not,their system as you and others have said its a better deal,they have superior technology and is vastly more versatile.All said why should people congratulate Sony for failing in what they set out to do with all those advantages? the only disadvantage they had they had complete control over and that the release date. they set production and manufacturing dates and so forth. Thats like me asking you to not downplay MS' despite the rrod, the rrod was nobodys fault but MS' so i would not expect one to see what they've done as a feat but a mistep in a market they could have crushed Sony in and they blew the opportunity.
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10117.12.2008 17:32

You seem to be taking this a bit personal for some odd reason so I think it is best I leave this alone from here on out. Since it is obvious you only see what you want to without reason. Especially after reading what you said about the differences in the percentages. Even if the PS2's DRE percentage was higher it still would not equal the abysmal numbers the RROD has. I have explained and re-explained my views and how I feel I need not go any further.

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10217.12.2008 17:42
Globe08
Inactive

Oner,

Im not taking it personal dude im just posting my opinions and having a bit of fun. The everyday grind gets a bit monotonous so im just dicking around. I mean i stand behind my views and all but in no way shape or form am i taking the ongoings of a video game forum personal. I thought i was a friendly debate which tends to go back and forth last time i checked but ahhhhhhhhhhh well never the mind.


But it was a nice touch the whole your going to leave it alone while chucking that last jab at me about seeing only what i want to. See to me its obvious we both have a preference and their made extremely clear to a fault. You provide more links and facts behind some of your views but still end up seeming a bit bias. I on the other hand prodvide mostly obvious facts guised as opinion such as ps3 being in last place. At any rate im not trying to be a problem child so you point is taken...

10317.12.2008 18:02

Originally posted by NexGen76:
MAME ? Whats that but the games look hot.
Are you pulling my leg NexGen! You have to be!

Quote:
MAME is short for Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator

It is an emulator application designed to recreate the hardware of arcade game systems via software
From simpler Arcade titles like Pong & Pacman on up to more powerful ones like Marvel vs Capcom & any NeoGeo title (King of Monsters, Samurai Showdown & The Metal Slug series) are playable on the DC, PS2, PS3, PSP, Dreamcast & Original Xbox (hacked or via Linux) but the PC undoubtedly has the best support, capabilities & "power" to run them the best.

Check it out man. If you where being serious, there is a lot you need to catch up on!
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10417.12.2008 22:00

Quote:
Originally posted by NexGen76:
MAME ? Whats that but the games look hot.
Are you pulling my leg NexGen! You have to be!

Quote:
MAME is short for Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator

It is an emulator application designed to recreate the hardware of arcade game systems via software
From simpler Arcade titles like Pong & Pacman on up to more powerful ones like Marvel vs Capcom & any NeoGeo title (King of Monsters, Samurai Showdown & The Metal Slug series) are playable on the DC, PS2, PS3, PSP, Dreamcast & Original Xbox (hacked or via Linux) but the PC undoubtedly has the best support, capabilities & "power" to run them the best.

Check it out man. If you where being serious, there is a lot you need to catch up on!

I'm dead serious i didn't know what it was til i seen it on you tube.I want to run YDL on my PS3 is there a working guide because i want to play SNES games on it because Sony blocked the AVCHD route.

10517.12.2008 22:16

Here is where I found most of my info and help

You can also send a message to the Youtube poster if need be (though he is on the site I posted above. As I said I am waiting on YDL 6.1 which was supposed to actually be available for download today for free via Fixstars server mirrors but they haven't updated yet :( I am quite anxious to see how much better performance (if any) they have squeezed out of the PS3's vram for swap....

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10619.12.2008 17:19

I think Oner gets checks from sony.

10719.12.2008 19:05

And for that you get 2 days off. If you or anyone else wants to continue with these out right lies and BS insults then go ahead. I have no more patience for it and am tired of the assumptions/false accusations of which are ABSOLUTELY baseless. If you don't agree, then you don't know anything about me or what I have done for the scene early on.

I think my world wide known PS2 tutorial (even being ripped off by PS2NFO) along with all the documented help I have provided in the PS1, PS2, PSP, Wii, Xbox & Xbox 360 section forums here on how to diagnose modding problems and bypass restrictive DRM for fair use; let alone my long standing post history here at aD is more than proof enough.

Do not question what I am about or even ATTEMPT to think you know anything about me. Because you don't know a God Damned thing. This is proof positive of that old saying about people who make assumptions...



Edit: Here are 2 rules of which people need to heed very closely.

1) The whole thing ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/380660

2) #6 ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487

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10824.12.2008 3:12

it doesnt matter if PS3 is a sinking ship or not. when people like myself can afford it, then we'll get it. if it came with some extra neat feature that we all MUST HAVE, then we'd all make whatever necessary sacrifice to get one. personally, i dont care who outsells the other. i dont care about the 'next gen??' graphics or fancy hi-def quality video. the only thing i care about is great games that i will continue to suck at. but i want them at reasonable prices... i think i already told some people that i would probably not get a ps3 until 2010 because i figure the price will be where i want it to be. i'll miss out on the 'features' that the early models have, but i assume that by the time i get mine, there will be other advances in other areas that will totally make up for what i MIGHT be missing out on.

10924.12.2008 7:54

Originally posted by SuperXL:
it doesnt matter if PS3 is a sinking ship or not. when people like myself can afford it, then we'll get it. if it came with some extra neat feature that we all MUST HAVE, then we'd all make whatever necessary sacrifice to get one. personally, i dont care who outsells the other. i dont care about the 'next gen??' graphics or fancy hi-def quality video. the only thing i care about is great games that i will continue to suck at. but i want them at reasonable prices... i think i already told some people that i would probably not get a ps3 until 2010 because i figure the price will be where i want it to be. i'll miss out on the 'features' that the early models have, but i assume that by the time i get mine, there will be other advances in other areas that will totally make up for what i MIGHT be missing out on.
There may be a small price drop in 2009 because of different hardware.
Sony will be using a new power brick and it will be smaller so the new PS3s (when they use the new power bricks) will be slimmer (by a little bit). So there's a little confirmed news.

11024.12.2008 11:20

Originally posted by SuperXL:
the only thing i care about is great games that i will continue to suck at.
LOL you and me both buddy, although I hope that overtime I can get good enough to have the annoying tweens stop trash talking me online.

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