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Obama appoints RIAA lawyer to Department of Justice

Written by Rich Fiscus (Google+) @ 10 Jan 2009 2:10 User comments (61)

Obama appoints RIAA lawyer to Department of Justice Earlier this week US President Elect Barrack Obama announced his selections for some key positions at the Department of Justice. One of the names on his list drew a lot of attention among people who have been watching the RIAA's lawsuit campaign against file sharers.That's because his choice for Associate Attorney General happens to be a long time RIAA lawyer who has worked on some of their highest profile P2P lawsuits.
Tom Perrelli has been working with the RIAA as far back as the Napster lawsuit. He was involved in the landmark 2002 case in which the RIAA attempted to write their own subpoenas without any judicial oversight. He's also done work for SoundExchange, and seems to have been instrumental in pushing through draconian internet radio royalties.

It's entirely possible that the appointment has nothing to do with Perrelli's work for the recording industry. He was already a well respected Washington DC lawyer before he began working on RIAA cases and even worked in the Justice Department during the Clinton administration.

However it's also worth noting that Obama's Vice President, Joe Biden, is on the record in favor of involving the Attorney General in file sharing cases.

In any case it seems somewhat ironic that Perrelli's responsibilities will include being the top civil rights official in the US.

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61 user comments

110.1.2009 2:18

I guess that Obama is subliminally saying that he is against p2p users

210.1.2009 3:02

Meh politicians are so full of crap you never know what they are going to do.

I'll hold off playing the imperial march (since I broke the machine in the bush years) hust yet and see whitch way Bama will march his troops..who knows he might let them chooses thier own colors(green,pink,purple, tie dye...ZOMG hipper storm troopers, muh lazers r 4 smoking mmaaannnnnnnnn) and not trounce public rights so hard....

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310.1.2009 4:31

I'd normally avoid jumping to conclusions and freaking out, but I'm just going to go ahead and put this out there:

Beginning of the f***ing end.

410.1.2009 5:32

What the heck is this crap? I thought he was pro net neutrality and tech savvy?

510.1.2009 5:45

When is a new party coming into play with politics,because I'm already hating both parties.Its clear neither party can get the job done,and I don't even want to get started on all these bailout plans.





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610.1.2009 6:01

Originally posted by L-Burna:
When is a new party coming into play with politics,because I'm already hating both parties.Its clear neither party can get the job done,and I don't even want to get started on all these bailout plans.
Meh All in all it could be worse.... we could have more neo cons running things fully into the ground...not the dims get to try and skid things aground.....but the fires are still burning and its going to take years for the smoke to clear so we can see the real damage... so all we can do is take things one at a time.

Focusing on infrastructure and appeasing the vikings in big business so that some movement on the lending front can start up...would be nice if hapuos corpus was reinstated.....and the DMCA neutered... as well... would also be nice if bush.co was impeached but frankly politics being what they are today even Nixon would not have had to resign....

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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710.1.2009 6:15

I don't know ZippyDSM recently I heard Larry Flynt and the guy off girls gone wild are requesting a bailout.





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810.1.2009 6:17

"In any case it seems somewhat ironic that Perrelli's responsibilities will include being the top civil rights official in the US."

Good choice for civil rights official... Bye bye civil rights.

910.1.2009 6:24

Originally posted by L-Burna:
I don't know ZippyDSM recently I heard Larry Flynt and the guy off girls gone wild are requesting a bailout.
LOL
Frankly the bail out is a sham, give each working US citizen 100-250K and guess what the financial industry would instantly fall over itself to restructure itself to seek out and offer services for that money, becuse money dose most certainly trickle up and outwards.

But no the status quo and the continuation of noble bureaucracy comes first and what comes from that is breaking the old rule of making money from nothing...er...sorry that's what they do....I mean government printing money out of nothing.... because of the system in play you have to let the bullies and robbers in on deals to try and smooth out the lending ciotuation that stops business nation wide from operating at optimal performance...or some jaiv like that.

I can see a reason to bail out the car insutry but only so much..I just hope they wont want to go hybred and battery car nuts..thos things pollute more than low MPG models ever will...we need real 50+ MPG vehicles not hybreds that sht dead batteries.... we need a solid middle step to a workable non fake low gas usage vehicle.....

I could rant more...but its 6AM >< zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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1010.1.2009 7:44

I was going to refrain from this but what the hey...

imperial music playing in background...

Yes we can turns into No YOU can't

1110.1.2009 10:22

Change WE Dont Need.

Screw obama, mccain is the way to go.

1210.1.2009 10:24

Originally posted by Leningrad:
Change WE Dont Need.

Screw obama, mccain is the way to go.

Sorry, but the election is over. I just live with it.

"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition


1310.1.2009 10:27

well yeah, but that doesn't change the fact who would make a better president.

Why obama sux

- Stem cell research
- Abortion

1410.1.2009 10:29

Neither is the way to go, I think that's clear...please vote Ron Paul

1510.1.2009 11:24

reason why i never vote for these scum bag politicians form both partly

THEY ALL LIE THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEM FREAKING SELF

obama got a strike he not even in office yet?

1610.1.2009 11:54

Originally posted by L-Burna:
I don't know ZippyDSM recently I heard Larry Flynt and the guy off girls gone wild are requesting a bailout.
Yes, that is true, but they won't get anything. That's not an industry that provides a lot of honest jobs. The car industry, for example, directly affects several million jobs. If the porn industry went under (which it won't), then it wouldn't be anywhere near as devastating. It would probably get replaced by an entrepreneur with a video camera and a website.
Obama hasn't really done anything yet as he is not officially President yet. As far as choosing people to be in his cabinet, everyone that he chooses will have some dirt. This is that lawyer's dirt. It doesn't mean that Obama agrees, unless he starts lobbying for laws against file sharing. If he does, then we should start the bitchin'. Right now it's a little early.

1710.1.2009 12:36

Lets not forget playboy had to stop DVD production and more to a "DLC" model.

1810.1.2009 12:57

Quote:
Originally posted by L-Burna:
I don't know ZippyDSM recently I heard Larry Flynt and the guy off girls gone wild are requesting a bailout.
Yes, that is true, but they won't get anything. That's not an industry that provides a lot of honest jobs. The car industry, for example, directly affects several million jobs. If the porn industry went under (which it won't), then it wouldn't be anywhere near as devastating. It would probably get replaced by an entrepreneur with a video camera and a website.
Obama hasn't really done anything yet as he is not officially President yet. As far as choosing people to be in his cabinet, everyone that he chooses will have some dirt. This is that lawyer's dirt. It doesn't mean that Obama agrees, unless he starts lobbying for laws against file sharing. If he does, then we should start the bitchin'. Right now it's a little early.
I said that as a joke and yeah its true but wasn't intentially meant for anything.Larry Flynt hates the government so much that he requested a bailout to give a statement.I'm sure we all know it will never happen,but think of it this way bailouts are in effect even when Obama is not in office yet.In my honest opinion nobody deserves bailouts,just because they run big corporations doesn't mean they are entitled to taxpayers money.They invested wrong and should suffer the consequences just like everybody else.Its true the automobile companies would crumble,but who is to blame for that in the first place.Its not rocket science we all want fuel effecient cars and not some gas guzzler.If these companies want to build gas guzzlers let them do it,but don't get me to support them.When I'm forced into something like everybody else I've got a reason to be pissed off.

1910.1.2009 13:03

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by L-Burna:
I don't know ZippyDSM recently I heard Larry Flynt and the guy off girls gone wild are requesting a bailout.
Yes, that is true, but they won't get anything. That's not an industry that provides a lot of honest jobs. The car industry, for example, directly affects several million jobs. If the porn industry went under (which it won't), then it wouldn't be anywhere near as devastating. It would probably get replaced by an entrepreneur with a video camera and a website.
Obama hasn't really done anything yet as he is not officially President yet. As far as choosing people to be in his cabinet, everyone that he chooses will have some dirt. This is that lawyer's dirt. It doesn't mean that Obama agrees, unless he starts lobbying for laws against file sharing. If he does, then we should start the bitchin'. Right now it's a little early.
I said that as a joke and yeah its true but wasn't intentially meant for anything.Larry Flynt hates the government so much that he requested a bailout to give a statement.I'm sure we all know it will never happen,but think of it this way bailouts are in effect even when Obama is not in office yet.In my honest opinion nobody deserves bailouts,just because they run big corporations doesn't mean they are entitled to taxpayers money.They invested wrong and should suffer the consequences just like everybody else.Its true the automobile companies would crumble,but who is to blame for that in the first place.Its not rocket science we all want fuel effecient cars and not some gas guzzler.If these companies want to build gas guzzlers let them do it,but don't get me to support them.When I'm forced into something like everybody else I've got a reason to be pissed off.
I believe the financial meltdown happened do to lenders being able to mis lead about loans that become so rancid over time people had to get out of them, this created a profit bubble and a rush to gain profit through loop holes. The system broke down due to the captains of industry letting their lieutenant rape the staff while they robed the ship blind.....

2010.1.2009 13:16

Well yeah I agree,but that doesn't change the fact the automobile companies could have changed the way they manufactured vehicles.I can tell you from experience that Ford,Chevy etc.. build hundreds and hundreds of trucks,suvs etc...My question of concern is do they really need to manufacture all these gas guzzlers.Its a big loss on their part considering how gas price gauging was in effect,but some blame should be directed at them as well.I don't want to see a slap on the hand and then tell them to get back to work.The fake loans granted is another story all together,but seriously what do we gain from this.If a major corporation fails we should hold their hand and guide them out of trouble.The CEOs running these corporations make millions,and should be able to run these corps without any problems.If they can't get the job done then who is to blame for this mess,and do we really have to bail them out if they are tossing money around like its nothing.





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2110.1.2009 13:23

Originally posted by Leningrad:
well yeah, but that doesn't change the fact who would make a better president.

Why obama sux

- Stem cell research
- Abortion

That's your own personal opinion & lets not get on this BS subject because some people on this board can't read clearly.He was a Lawyer for the RIAA.He was hired to do job for them this doesn't reflex his views so give the guy a chance before you hang him out to dry.

2210.1.2009 13:46

Originally posted by L-Burna:
Well yeah I agree,but that doesn't change the fact the automobile companies could have changed the way they manufactured vehicles.I can tell you from experience that Ford,Chevy etc.. build hundreds and hundreds of trucks,suvs etc...My question of concern is do they really need to manufacture all these gas guzzlers.Its a big loss on their part considering how gas price gauging was in effect,but some blame should be directed at them as well.I don't want to see a slap on the hand and then tell them to get back to work.The fake loans granted is another story all together,but seriously what do we gain from this.If a major corporation fails we should hold their hand and guide them out of trouble.The CEOs running these corporations make millions,and should be able to run these corps without any problems.If they can't get the job done then who is to blame for this mess,and do we really have to bail them out if they are tossing money around like its nothing.
Sorry they simpley cost to much not only in up front price but all the repairs that have to be done over the years to keep up planed obsolescence so they can push more widgets is fcking breaking them, we need a majority of low cost(5-20K) vehicles that can get 40-80MPG and last 10-20 years, instead of making them to break do what the tech industry dose entice people with new better designed low cost(5-20K) vehicles. The car industry currently is over saturated in not only vehicles but dealers as well its a compeltel mess, sure at one time it could afford to be a cocaine line snorting business.

If you want a larger vehicle be ready to pay 40-70K for it for the multitude of the lower middle class to lower class populace we need cheap and efficient cars and the car industry needs to go into rehab and change its business model.

2310.1.2009 15:06

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Sorry they simpley cost to much not only in up front price but all the repairs that have to be done over the years to keep up planed obsolescence so they can push more widgets is fcking breaking them, we need a majority of low cost(5-20K) vehicles that can get 40-80MPG and last 10-20 years, instead of making them to break do what the tech industry dose entice people with new better designed low cost(5-20K) vehicles. The car industry currently is over saturated in not only vehicles but dealers as well its a compeltel mess, sure at one time it could afford to be a cocaine line snorting business.

If you want a larger vehicle be ready to pay 40-70K for it for the multitude of the lower middle class to lower class populace we need cheap and efficient cars and the car industry needs to go into rehab and change its business model.
Well here is another problem most patents created for fuel effeciency vehicles are bought by oil companies.The oil companies want gas guzzlers its pretty much a big chain that screws us.I read an article not that long ago talking about a car created that could run off water.When it was created a patent was as well,and the oil industries bought it for billions to keep themselves in business.Its very possible with the knowledge the automobile industry has they could create fuel effecient vehicles as you mentioned.They also want to keep oil companies in business or the vehicles they produce are worthless and they can't sell them.When you get the chance search on google for hydro powered cars.I could have sworn I seen videos of these engineers building vehicles that don't run off gas,but other fuel sources.I'm more worried about the blue collar workers than the big wigs running the automobile industries.They really are scum man and would fire thousands in a heart beat.

2410.1.2009 15:14

Originally posted by zztrevd:
Neither is the way to go, I think that's clear...please vote Ron Paul
That's probably the best thing I've heard on this board in a long time!

2510.1.2009 15:35
warriorp
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Quote:
Originally posted by zztrevd:
Neither is the way to go, I think that's clear...please vote Ron Paul
That's probably the best thing I've heard on this board in a long time!
yep because no one want to become some communist north american union. cause if we ever join with mexico im getting all the automatic weapons i can get to protect whats mine. i already got a head start on that now. you guys should do the same.

2610.1.2009 17:15
spamual
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oh no obama is against piracy, therefore obama = bad president...!


/sarcasm


so what if he did that. you choose a government based on taxes, or how they can help the country, who gives a damn about if they are affiliating with the RIAA. what if he decided to intraveen and end the gaza attacks? you'll still be against him?

2710.1.2009 17:38

Originally posted by spamual:
oh no obama is against piracy, therefore obama = bad president...!
Theres a difference between against piracy and the tactics the corporations use.

Originally posted by spamual:
what if he decided to intraveen and end the gaza attacks? you'll still be against him?
That's the United Nation's business not America's, America is not the world's police. Especially in religion based wars.

2810.1.2009 21:07

Try Blue! It's the new Red.

2910.1.2009 21:40

Originally posted by MrGrimace:
Try Blue! It's the new Red.

Whats the color of bureaucracy or fascism?

Some shade of purple I'd wager...

3010.1.2009 22:43

After people like Bush, & Palin, isn't it obvious by now that any bozo out there can be in politics, especially some prick from the RIAA; who are known for their stupid actions like suing 9-year olds and old grandma's?

3111.1.2009 5:50

Let's face it, folks....I don't think that ANY politician in this day and age will support internet piracy. It's very similar to the issue of legalizing Marijuana. It makes sense to legalize pot (or in this case, piracy) if you want a lower crime rate (or innovation, in this case) but politicians are not known for making sense.

3211.1.2009 7:49
varnull
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You have already joined with Mexico.. and Canada..

Check out the "amero" and see how far these lies go XD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_an...f_North_America

Purple is for people like me Zipp.. The fascists only believe in red and black.. or more likely red white blue and black.

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3311.1.2009 8:27

This is "Change" you can believe in...

At what point will liberals be happy with the further erosion of freedom in the US?

3411.1.2009 9:32

Originally posted by Leningrad:
well yeah, but that doesn't change the fact who would make a better president.

Why obama sux

- Stem cell research
- Abortion
funny, those are the 2 reasons why I think he's great. By the way, you forgot to add his belief in climate change and better access to healthcare....I'm assuming you're against those things as well.

3511.1.2009 14:07

Originally posted by L-Burna:
If a major corporation fails we should hold their hand and guide them out of trouble.The CEOs running these corporations make millions,and should be able to run these corps without any problems.If they can't get the job done then who is to blame for this mess,and do we really have to bail them out if they are tossing money around like its nothing.

That statement in itself is the big problem here. Does anyone need, require, or deserve that kind of salary. Including all of the bonuses on top of that. Lets face it the heads of the large corporations (banking and auto industry alike) caused these problems themselves. They are the ones to blame for all of the economic problems we have now. Yet we the everyday working class are the ones that have to deal with it. I say there should be a national salary cap of some sort imposed. Anyone making over a certain amount of money a year (say 1.5 mil). Anything after that goes directly into the national debt. Hell if something like that was done our national debt would be erased in about three years.
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3611.1.2009 17:19

Originally posted by zztrevd:
Neither is the way to go, I think that's clear...please vote Ron Paul
I still wear my "Ron Paul 2008" sticker on my jacket.

3711.1.2009 17:26

Originally posted by varnull:
You have already joined with Mexico.. and Canada..

Check out the "amero" and see how far these lies go XD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_an...f_North_America

Purple is for people like me Zipp.. The fascists only believe in red and black.. or more likely red white blue and black.
In the states you have the 2 parties, red and blue, reaper and dim, they color the world in "purple" disarray :P

3811.1.2009 17:49

Originally posted by L-Burna:
My question of concern is do they really need to manufacture all these gas guzzlers.
sorry, but i will take my gas guzzling 13 mpg truck and my 20 mpg suv over my some-what non gas guzzler 30 mpg car. i would much rather drive something where i can see whats in front, behind, to the side of me, and if God forbid, i get into a wreck, i know i will survive and not be killed in.

but i do agree with you that no-one should have been given bailouts, especially ones they aren't going to pay back.

and my theory on the whole situation is the fact that banks and lending companies had to make all these ridiculous loans out to people that they knew werent ever going to pay them back due to not having a job that makes anything, but God forbid you tell them , hey sorry, your to poor to get the loan, or we know you wont have the money to pay us back down the road; and get sued or violating the equal opportunity lending act.

as racist, evil, or rude as that may sound, oh well, some people are just not meant to own a house, or a car, or whatever they wanted the load for. that is why we have people with rental houses, or apartments, and car leases instead of purchases.

3912.1.2009 10:38

Quote:
Originally posted by L-Burna:

but i do agree with you that no-one should have been given bailouts, especially ones they aren't going to pay back.


I agree and what really pisses me off is when i read about these damn corporations using the bailout money to finance vacations in lush hotels such as AIG did. Yet AIG asks for more mmoney and gets it too. I also read that our money is being used to pay bonuses to employees. Yet we, the middle and low class americans get nothing.

4012.1.2009 10:50

Quote:
Originally posted by L-Burna:
My question of concern is do they really need to manufacture all these gas guzzlers.
sorry, but i will take my gas guzzling 13 mpg truck and my 20 mpg suv over my some-what non gas guzzler 30 mpg car. i would much rather drive something where i can see whats in front, behind, to the side of me, and if God forbid, i get into a wreck, i know i will survive and not be killed in.

but i do agree with you that no-one should have been given bailouts, especially ones they aren't going to pay back.

and my theory on the whole situation is the fact that banks and lending companies had to make all these ridiculous loans out to people that they knew werent ever going to pay them back due to not having a job that makes anything, but God forbid you tell them , hey sorry, your to poor to get the loan, or we know you wont have the money to pay us back down the road; and get sued or violating the equal opportunity lending act.

as racist, evil, or rude as that may sound, oh well, some people are just not meant to own a house, or a car, or whatever they wanted the load for. that is why we have people with rental houses, or apartments, and car leases instead of purchases.
Unfortunately the car companies can not afford to build such things anymore, at least not with the 5-10 year life span they have in mind, mind you I realize these vehicles can last 20 years but for the first 5ish years they cover the warranty and the short life span they focus the build quality on them the more money they will have to spend to repair them. This creates the need to build more to be able to keep up with the up keep.

The car companies are going to have to focus on cheap 2-4 seaters that max out at 60-80MPH and can use 50-80MPG, they need to be easier to repair and cost no more than 5-20K.

The current liens of larger more feature rich vehicles need to be their limited secondary product line and priced at 40-70K or 50-100% more than they are now.

With the blue collar base losses in the US it can not sustain any car company in the coming years that builds larger inefficient vehicles.

4112.1.2009 10:53

gnovak1

when quoting people, make sure to quote the correct person, as l-burna did not state that, i did.

4212.1.2009 21:54

Originally posted by mike.m:
After people like Bush, & Palin, isn't it obvious by now that any bozo out there can be in politics, especially some prick from the RIAA; who are known for their stupid actions like suing 9-year olds and old grandma's?
Heh, now thats funny. Obama's RIAA fatcats will make the Bush legacy look like Doris Day and Mary Poppins. Think it is bad now..just wait. While Bush was an oil-chasing MBA from Harvard..Obama and the RIAA are ALL filthy lawyers who would gut your spouse in their sleep without batting an eye.

4313.1.2009 19:59

I wonder how this whole thing will play out. I hope that the people the Obamha elects in position do not cause his downfall that is the only thing that i will see that would work against president elect.

4415.1.2009 1:23

He's a lawyer he's paid to lie, twist the truth,or do whatever it takes to see his clients win,there is no such thing as an honest lawyer.

It's win or lose. for a Soldier its kill or be killed, Just because they have blood on there hands doesn't make them evil.

The number one issue is are non-conservative approach to everything
like What happens to old totaled cars, instead of striping the usable steels we crush it and stick it in a land fill. are old Military items
they dumped 30 Usable F-4 phantoms off a ship into the ocean. Same with old tanks instead of reusing valuable resources we waist them.
Steel may be the next Wootz ore if we don't stop waisting it.


the number two problem in America is they don't know when to stop making new stuff, the automotive industry is the number one all time contender to this problem every year the make a supposed new Automobile when in fact there has been no major Automobile improvement Since 2005's new fuel efficiency models.

America is in deep Crap, other Non-NATO Nations are gearing up for something and it ain't gonna be pretty.

4516.1.2009 14:41

If there were any doubts left, this should prove we're quickly headed towards a nazi germany style fascism. Only this is likely to end up on a global scale, not merely national or continental.
And don't forget, Hitler got elected the same way, and lead with the exact same charismatic style and misdirection.
If you doubt, read:
http://www.freep.com/article/20090115/NEWS07/90115015
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/washington/16fisa.html?_r=1

Can we say thought police, brown shirts, and confidential informants?

4616.1.2009 17:13

Tarsellis
Not just yet no....

And Hitler ran on a Xenophobic Nationalism beat more like Bush.co did...only...he was not as inept.....

4720.1.2009 8:05

Well Yanks get it while you can! The RIAA was able to relax its law suits because they knew happy days are here again.

Obama will throw money at the detroit crooks. The greedy unions have them unprofitable and management was only interested in how big they could make cars. The Hummer is a good example.

4820.1.2009 11:41

=offtopic=

the Hummer was an icon, the H1 was based on the HMMWV. some of the older H1's still had the armor mount points for the armor kits deployed by the military.

H2 and H3 are horrific examples of trying to make a great vehicle smaller. H1's are diesel and make a great bio diesel vehicle.

=on topic=

you people must see the future, Obama this Obama that. y'all weren't tooting the same tune when George dubya Dumbass went into office. you haven't even given this man a chance yet, when he does do something stupid your free to bitch moan and groan all you want.

4920.1.2009 13:03

DXR88, I thought that was the jest of this thread. We were complaining about him electing a lawyer from the RIAA for the justice dept. AD members like to complain. He has taken a very thankless job. Even if he gets it mostly right there will always be people to complain. You need to get used to it.

I personelly, will figure he did a great job if we don't get into a bigger depression than we are now.

5020.1.2009 13:19

i suppose, but i see present tense flying around like he Screwed up some how when he's just walking threw the door.

The thing is its just a lawyer, hell every well established lawyer, is bound to have some nasty little secrets and politics love there little secrets.

the depression is going to get worse, you can bet your shiny silver ring on that. i foresee a lot of dead thief's in my life.

5120.1.2009 14:07

Remember, even greatest Presidents in history were mocked all the time in office. The truth of it is no one is smart enough to know how good a president is until 15-20 yrs after they are out.

Remember Obama like most presidents are politicians. The last non politician we had was Ike in the 50s. He sucked as a president because he wasn't slippery enough to out - fox the congress and senate.

5220.1.2009 20:04

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funny, those are the 2 reasons why I think he's great. By the way, you forgot to add his belief in climate change and better access to healthcare....I'm assuming you're against those things as well.
1. Stem Cell can be done with out killing babies- no problems with that.

2. I thought it was 'Global Warming'? Oh that's right, the scientific community can not agree on weak scientific facts so we have to call it something else because the empirical data does not back it up. Most of our meterorologists can't even predict the next 24 hours accurately for snow/rain. They can't strongarm the true scientists who won't play the fascist fearmongering with that piece of contrived crap.

3. Better access to healthcare. Hahahahahah. I've got three letters to sum up when the government gets involved in something for you- T.S.A. The last thing anyone should want is our government handling healthcare. It's accessible and it's the best on the planet. I.E. Canada and England have socialized healthcare and the people that can, come here to get well. Otherwise, if it costs too much, your going to die sucker. Unless of course you want to get your healthcare in Cuba. Now there is some cutting edge medical research going on there baby.

4. RIAA lawyers in the Dept. of Justice. Wow! Now isn't that an oxymoron. They should be able to wipe ALL of the 'fair-use' clauses out now that they are right there on site. Wait until the jackboots kick in your door for ripping 'The Dark Knight' off your new BlueRay 10 minutes after you've finished. WTF?!

I wish Obama all the best of luck, he's going to need it to lead the sorry bunch of media brainwashed idiots we got around here.

Good luck with all that blue, red, purple-gay $#!^ you indocrinated-lazy-socialist-tards.

"Hahaha, your all gonna' die and you voted for that guy" Keith Morris, 1983.
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5321.1.2009 1:19

i got a question for you KapKirk. its a simple one really. did you sign up to Afterdawn just to post your rant?

Stem cell research can be a bloody nightmare, or a cure.

killing babies in an already overpopulated world, its not such a bad idea. orphanages are already full to the brim. if you don't want dead babies don't drop your trousers to every tom dick and hairy.

and Forget the fact he worked for the RIAA, Whats that make him still the lying for trust and justice they all bring to there clients.

yeah, he'll need it.

Don't dis the colors, if you don't like them thats too dame bad why don't you go back to your own country if there really that bad.

5421.1.2009 11:12

The scientific community is in agreement that the CO2 is way up. In the last 50 year the CO2 has risen 10 times faster than it did the previous 50 years. CO2 concentration and the sun's strength are the two most powerful forces that shape how hot the earth is. They are not in agreement with the exact details of how severe the effect will be. Some sientists believe we may see a decrease in the sun's heat like the ones that produced the ice ages. The sun's strength is not constant. There are other factors that effect global heat as well. Still 9 out of 10 of the hottest years for the last 100 were in the last 10. It would take a indocrinated-lazy-tard to laugh that one off to just chance.

5523.1.2009 11:27

1) Xenophobia : did we not see how the conservatives, or anybody who disagreed with the messiah obama was the enomy that must be defeated?
2) natoinalism : did we not see how the nationalism turned into globalism? did we not see his majesty campaigning for president of the world in europe? did we not see the turn to nationalism just before the election in a last ditch grab for votes?

These, however, are not the main points. It's the lies and mirror syndrome (this 'hope and change' that is whatever YOU want it to be) coupled with incredible charisma for the sole purpose of gaining power and serving himself that I compare obama to hitler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51kAw4OTlA0&
I pledge to serve the president?!?!?!?!?!
Since when do the people serve the man? Is it not the job of the position of office to serve the people? Did I read the wrong constitution?

Come on sheep, time to wake up while we can. you're not going to like it when you wake up in the new world, and find out that obama is not in fact the messiah.


Oh, and Global Warming?! Um, actually, the temperature has gone DOWN the last 10 years. Did we not see these records set all over the earth this year for COLD!
And as if the meager 1/100th of 1% of co2 that we contribute to the atmosphere makes a difference. Especially when 0.03% of the atmosphere is c02 anyways. Lets also just ignore that every year volcanos put out a thousand times more co2, sulpher, etc than man does. Let's also ignore that the ocean leaks out 1000 times more methane than we and our animals make. Lets also ignore that every year 6 times more crude oil seeps into the sea naturally than all of our tanker and oil spills combined.
Sure, I suppose I'm willing to destroy the american and world economy and pay trillions a year more in taxes to save the earth from this man made global warming. After all, the prophet al gore says its true, and silences any dissent

5623.1.2009 13:39

Tarsellis, global warming is not like religion where you can just make things up to suit your self. CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by over 30% since 1700. That is a far cry from meager 1/100th of 1%.
Did you get that info from a complete moron or did you just make it up because you assume the world is a stupid and as uninformed as you?
You must have gotten this from that same source.

Quote:
Oh, and Global Warming?! Um, actually, the temperature has gone DOWN the last 10 years. Did we not see these records set all over the earth this year for COLD!


As for Obama, he DOES make me nervous but the US has been going downhill since the 50s, I'll give him 4 years. He canít do much worse than Bush. The war with Iraq was a world class blunder. Even though Saddam Hussein was a truly evil man, he stabilized that part of the world by constantly waging war with Iran. Getting rid of him was the biggest blunder a president has made since WWII. In that part of the world they appear to be consumed with so much hate they have to be killing someone. Iran and Iraq balanced one another. Iran has no counter balance. I assume they will make atomic bombs and they will be set off in the US. Thanks GWB!

Now someone else has to deal with Iran. I certainly hope there can be piece in the Middle East but I do not expect to see it any time soon.

Oh, by the way you ought to look up the meaning of xenophobia. It means the fear of outsiders. It has nothing to do with the echonomy or Obama unless you figure he is a Foreigner. He couldn't be one and be president. That is the law! Oh thats right, you make up EVERYTHING as you go along! What do YOU think xenophobia means?
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5723.1.2009 14:02

There's no point in arguing with brainwashed zombies who can't think for themselves.

However, if anybody else wants to come to their own conclusions, try reading both sides of the argument, and stop depending on the lies and photo-shopping of "an inconvenient truth". Starting here are some small examples to get people thinking: (and still not on the extreme opposite side)
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Mon...rticle10866.htm
http://pesn.com/2007/03/19/9500463_Global_Warming_Swindle/
http://www.wagtv.com/programme/The-Great...er=type_Singles

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5823.1.2009 18:05

Thanks for posting the articles I miss-judged you but it looks like you read some propaganda. I really thought you were nuts. I donít now. Any smart person without a scientific background could be taken in by some of that malarkey. I canít understand why someone would write trash like that but why do persons refute evolution. If you can ďprove thatĒ you can ďproveĒ anything.

I read all the articles to be fair. I canít rightly argue with out reading them. The first article was a bunch of double talk. CO2 changes the reflectivity of infrared or heat waves. It acts just like glass that reflects hence the name greenhouse effect. The article claims it canít be a green house because there is no physical barrier. The barrier is only part of why green houses are so warm. The other part is glass does not reflect visible light but reflects infrared (heat) waves. That article is like claiming breathing is bad for your health because no one can live after breathing for 150 years. The truth is you will die if you donít breath much faster than that.

The third drew faulty assumptions from valid info.

The second and last did have their fact straight and did not make any miss statements I could catch not that I am all that much of an expert.

Not valid - http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
Valid - http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Mon...rticle10866.htm
Not Valid - http://pesn.com/2007/03/19/9500463_Global_Warming_Swindle/
Valid - http://www.wagtv.com/programme/The-Great...er=type_Singles

The reality is, the energy from the sun is the most powerful force heating the earth. The heat is not always constant. We know there have been ice ages and mini ice ages. These have been due to the reduction of the sunís energy. Just because the world was colder does not mean the greenhouse effect is bunk. The greenhouse effect still kept us warmer than if the CO2 levels were at 1700 concentration. This year the greenhouse effect was helpful. If we are going into another ice age the greenhouse effect will literally be a life safer. We may want to burn up more fossile fuel in that case.

The reality is, man does not have as much control on his environment as many of us think.

It is good debating with you.

5925.1.2009 13:59

I dont usually post things here but "climate change"? It takes a big headed liberal to suggest that they can predict our climate when they cant even tell when its going to snow or not snow a few days in advance much less predicting the demise of Earth!
And better access to health care, surely you jest! We have the best system in the world and you want to make a welfare state of it?
Get a grip all of you kool-aid drinkers before it is too late!
I liked the below quote.
"Hahaha, your all gonna' die and you voted for that guy" Keith Morris, 1983.

6026.1.2009 10:06

Good point Ken. I am just about 'talked out'. I do like to take the other side and defend the 'idiots' if I feel like it.

Predicting snow would seem to be easy but it is not since extreme cold does not allow for moisture in the air. A good snow fall usually occures at about the freezing point. Snowfall actually heats the air since creating ice from water vapor releases heat. The more is snows the warmer the air. This would be in fractions of a degree not in degrees. Still, snow can sabotage itsself.

Predicting climate change is actually easier as long as only one factor, the CO2 contant changes. The heat from the sun has been fairly constant for centuries. The last time there was a major change was during the reign of Henry the VIII. That was short lived. The English channel froze. It is pretty safe to assume that the sun's heat would continue to hold steady. Anytime you assume something you are taking a risk however small. I am assuming that is why there was a drop in temperature this year.

I guess there is some arrogance being so sure of your self. I think the weather is a safer bet than health insurance. What scares me even more, is making multiple major changes to the US at once. That scares me a great deal.

6127.1.2009 10:37

I re-read the valid articles. They were just more clever propaganda. For instance, yes, last year was the coldest year in the decade. However, what was not stated is it was still one of the hottest years in the century. It was only that the rest of the decade was so hot that 2008 looked cold in comparison.

Here is information that appears to be neutral. Their temperature chart starts at 1850 not 2007. That alone is an eye opener unless you believe the World Meteorological Organization is out to destroy the world by tricking us into burning less fossile fuel. If you think that, what would be their motive?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

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