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Microsoft slams Sony after February console sales figures

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 22 Mar 2009 23:32 User comments (35)

Microsoft slams Sony after February console sales figures Following Friday's release of US February console sales numbers, Microsoft product management director Aaron Greenberg has slammed rival Sony over the PlayStation 3's sales numbers, and the company's refusal to drop the price of the console, even in hard economic times.
Greenberg noted that Microsoft had a 53 percent annual sales boost for the 360 gaming console, "exceeding" its expectations. Sony on the other hand, had a year-on-year decline in sales and the director blamed that mainly on the PS3's price point, which is more expensive then the 360 and the current market share leader, the Nintendo Wii.

For February in the US, almost 400,000 360s were sold, while the PS3, despite having a strong month, lagged at 275,000. Over 130,000 PS2s were sold for the month, and Greenberg says that PS2 owners are slowly converting to the 360.

"What we're finding in our research is that a large portion of the volume we're driving with Xbox 360 purchasers is actually PS2 owners choosing Xbox for the next generation,"
Greenberg adds. "Xbox continues to head north while the PS3 is heading south. We're gaining share."

Despite the jabs from Microsoft against Sony, Nintendo continues to destroy both systems in sales, selling over 700,000 units in February with no signs of slowing down.

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35 user comments

122.3.2009 23:46

PS3 is still too expensive as of 3/22/2009, games cost too much $60!(What are you thinking Sony?), and the online gaming network of Sony is horrible compared to XBOX360(I get "Match stopped due to poor host connection" a lot!)

223.3.2009 0:18

there HDTV lineup is also about $100 to Much, perhaps people are realizing that there are better things than Sony.

move over Apple Fanboys, Sony Fanboys are coming to Give you a hand.

323.3.2009 0:24

As any intelligent person knows the main reason for this is the price point. Each console has its pros and cons. But in this economic situation that we have today price is the biggest issue for console sales.

423.3.2009 0:39

More non-news...and several days later than reported elsewhere, as usual! Single month sales are rarely anything worth basing anything on (except maybe Thanksgiving-New Years).

523.3.2009 6:13

If it were more than 1 months sale or a like for alike comparison then i would sit up and take notice - as it is it's a bit like saying " we sold more bicycles than you sold Ferraris "

Obviously in a global recession , the more expensive consoles will see their sales fall first but it's useless comparing XBox with Wii and PS3 because PS3 does so much much more and has so much more than the other 2 consoles combined. ( and no i'm not talking about games where it is no better at all )

623.3.2009 7:16

( and no i'm not talking about games where it is no better at all ) Isn't that the most important aspect when choosing a console????
Sure it has wi-fi, but if you don't need it, who cares? It has blu-ray, but it doesn't seem like there supporting too much now that they are offering streaming movies just like the 360.

723.3.2009 8:39

Originally posted by pollution:
PS3 is still too expensive as of 3/22/2009, games cost too much $60!(What are you thinking Sony?), and the online gaming network of Sony is horrible compared to XBOX360(I get "Match stopped due to poor host connection" a lot!)
um..what are you talking about here? The games are the same price on both platforms. Xbox360 games should be cheaper since its on last-gen DVD format (What are you thinking MS?). It'd be nice if you mentioned something more relevant than a false statement.

823.3.2009 9:23
warriorp
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Originally posted by pollution:
PS3 is still too expensive as of 3/22/2009, games cost too much $60!(What are you thinking Sony?), and the online gaming network of Sony is horrible compared to XBOX360(I get "Match stopped due to poor host connection" a lot!)
i only got that error message about three times since i had my ps3. plus freak xbox live. i wont pay for a connection i already have. i love the free network on ps3. it has been free since the ps2. waaaaay more features than the shidbox. lol

923.3.2009 10:56

I know a few guys who bought 360's originally and then switched to ps3, but I also know a few guys who have 360's and want to switch to a ps3 but the price tag is the only thing keeping them from buying it.

1023.3.2009 11:46

The companies price fix the games that's fair enough to say. If 360 sold their games $5 or even $10 cheaper more people would buy their system based on that, same goes if it was the PS3 selling games cheaper. So they agree to a set price and both companies make a profit on games.

I have PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360.
I used PS Home to walk around a little in the 3d environment, that was fine, annoying with the male in appearance people chasing after the mini-skirts (most probably males just getting a thrill out of other males macking on them)

Never played online until recently and I based my xbox live account on GTA 4 downloadable content (even though the add-on was horrible) but I've enjoyed live over the free services offered by PS3.

Most of my game purchases have been for Xbox 360, PS3 has a couple nice looking games, but the rest are no better than Xbox 360, I was hoping they would have been. Maybe in the future :(

Currently my PS3 is used as the DVD and Blu-ray player. My Wii is used for Mario Kart when friends come down (drinking required) and my Xbox is solely gaming (component cable and fear of third RROD reason for not having it as my full livingroom entertainment solution)


On topic The PS3 is more expensive. Is it over priced? NO! Each systems has their pros for their purposes and that is the selling point. Most gamers Pro or Beginner want a console for gaming and don't want to pay a lot, that's why the 360 sells more.

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1123.3.2009 12:22

Originally posted by chubbyInc:
The companies price fix the games that's fair enough to say. If 360 sold their games $5 or even $10 cheaper more people would buy their system based on that, same goes if it was the PS3 selling games cheaper. So they agree to a set price and both companies make a profit on games.

I have PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360.
I used PS Home to walk around a little in the 3d environment, that was fine, annoying with the male in appearance people chasing after the mini-skirts (most probably males just getting a thrill out of other males macking on them)

Never played online until recently and I based my xbox live account on GTA 4 downloadable content (even though the add-on was horrible) but I've enjoyed live over the free services offered by PS3.

Most of my game purchases have been for Xbox 360, PS3 has a couple nice looking games, but the rest are no better than Xbox 360, I was hoping they would have been. Maybe in the future :(

Currently my PS3 is used as the DVD and Blu-ray player. My Wii is used for Mario Kart when friends come down (drinking required) and my Xbox is solely gaming (component cable and fear of third RROD reason for not having it as my full livingroom entertainment solution)


On topic The PS3 is more expensive. Is it over priced? NO! Each systems has their pros for their purposes and that is the selling point. Most gamers Pro or Beginner want a console for gaming and don't want to pay a lot, that's why the 360 sells more.
I agree. They are different completely different machines offering different services. Just because the low end 360 is dirt cheap, doesn't mean you can compare it to a PS3. I wouldn't want the PS3 stripped down to bare-bones, even if it made it cheaper. XBL is not PSN and PSN is not XBL. They appeal to different crowds. Free is fine with me. My video game console is not my social interface. Who cares if Sony lags MS? They still had a good month. Aaron Greenberg slams Sony for what? Not playing the game with them? Apparantly Sony doesn't need to. If things were really bad for Sony, then we would probably see a price cut. But if people are still buying, why would they?

1223.3.2009 12:57

the ps2 owners who are buying consoles now are the sensible ones who were waiting for the price to come down, trouble is the price of the ps3 hasn't so they are going to 360 coz without backwards compatability there is no point waiting for a ps3 price drop

1323.3.2009 16:31

I think another big factor in these console sales is whether or not it can play copied games or not. The Wii is so easy hack, a sack of potatoes can do it. I usually download Wii games because most of them are worthless anyways... Same with the 360. It more or less has the same games as the PS3 (except for the best games :]) which can all be copied and played on a modded 360. Me, a kid that was raised off of Playstation (Gran Turismo FTW), might actually consider a 360 just to mod and copy multiplatform games for because they're pretty much the same as what's on my PS3, but are free*. Like, come on. Every new game regardless what it is costs $60. MGS4 was $60 and so was Killzone 2 and Resistance 2, but Rainbow 6 Vegas 2? R6V2 doesn't even compare to the first 3 games, yet I payed the same price (well yea they're all newer but it still wasn't worth my money). Those would be the kind of games I would download. Overpriced garbage (EA) that deserves to be stolen. That and I can't afford every game I want to play! The idea I have, and I'm sure everyone else has, basically if you buy a used 360 and burn 4 games you've already gotten your money's worth out of it.

If the PS3 was hacked though... Oh snap...

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1423.3.2009 16:56

you shouldn't be writing information, that tells people to go and mod their system. the game's prices are what they are, usually the SAME price for both systems.

I own all 3 Wii, PS3 and Xbox360.

For the first 2 years, the PS3 went untouched, mainly used as a DVD and Blu-Ray player, and the occasional game. Normally the 360 would be played instead, regardless if i could get the game for either systems.. most of my friends had a 360.

Lately, my 360 has been sitting on the desk, pretty useless, because I find the games for PS3 are pretty much equal, if it's available for both systems, I just prefer using my PS3, it's free online (no added cost, unlike 360), and I do think that eventually, it will be a better system. I use mine for videos from my computer, both Apple and Windows work, audio, photos, and the internet if I ever wanted to.

The ability to upgrade your hard drive in the system is pretty amazing, I pulled out the 20 that came with it, and put in a 120Gb, which can store a ton of videos, downloads, songs, and photos. All that can be easily viewed, (much prettier with the XMB[Cross Media Bar]), then the 360's interface.

With the use of digital copies coming out on DVD's now, they can be transferred on the PS3 and watched.

1523.3.2009 17:58

Originally posted by huskerboy:
( and no i'm not talking about games where it is no better at all ) Isn't that the most important aspect when choosing a console????
Sure it has wi-fi, but if you don't need it, who cares?
I take your point but I am one of those weirdos who didn't buy it as a console for playing games, that's about the only thing I rarely use it for - I bought it as ( in the following order )
1) a blu ray player
2) wi-fi internet browsing
3) divx movie playback
4) dvd upscaler
5) ability to connect external HDD and play all my music/videos through it ( connected to av receiver )
6) laughing at my holiday photos
7) Playing games ( in fact I play more PS2 games on it than PS3 mainly because I am 30 and not good enough to either play or even learn/want to play the more complicated games today )

Interestingly the X Box was featured on the BBC Watchdog programme tonight relating to faults and how they have come back to haunt the owners and Microsoft with unreliability ( although MS denied any knowledge of it ) - they reckon about 30 % of X Boxes develop a fault in the first three months of play although I can't confirm that as I don't own one.

1623.3.2009 19:11

Quote:
Originally posted by huskerboy:
( and no i'm not talking about games where it is no better at all ) Isn't that the most important aspect when choosing a console????
Sure it has wi-fi, but if you don't need it, who cares?
I take your point but I am one of those weirdos who didn't buy it as a console for playing games, that's about the only thing I rarely use it for - I bought it as ( in the following order )
1) a blu ray player
2) wi-fi internet browsing
3) divx movie playback
4) dvd upscaler
5) ability to connect external HDD and play all my music/videos through it ( connected to av receiver )
6) laughing at my holiday photos
7) Playing games ( in fact I play more PS2 games on it than PS3 mainly because I am 30 and not good enough to either play or even learn/want to play the more complicated games today )

Interestingly the X Box was featured on the BBC Watchdog programme tonight relating to faults and how they have come back to haunt the owners and Microsoft with unreliability ( although MS denied any knowledge of it ) - they reckon about 30 % of X Boxes develop a fault in the first three months of play although I can't confirm that as I don't own one.
I also saw that Watchdog very interesting indeed!

Just goes to show you get what you pay for in the end, microsoft wanted the competitive advantage of launching the 360 a year or so earlier when really they should have taken a little more time and released a decent product that customers dont have to worry about constantly.

I have neither the 360 nor the PS3, though have played both and tbh they are pretty much the same though I like the idea of the ps3 being able to play blu-ray and liek the XMB better but thats just me.

I will be getting a PS3 if the price drops soon if it doesnt I may get a 360 but only if I am confident they have fixed all the hardware issues with it!

On topic though, shock horror Microsoft sells more 360s than PS3s on its home turf and microsoft feels the need to tell everyone about it! Just as you would expect the PS3 to be outselling the 360 in Japan...shock horror again!

Though I wonder how many of those console "sales" are 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc purchases due to previous failed 360s?

1723.3.2009 21:36

I thought I posted this?

oh well

I find it funny the fail60 slamming anyone the hardware is a joke despite high sales rate.

Sure the PS3 has issues but they are mostly due to it being a late bloomer with prices that did not have 5 years to fall..... at elast they have not wankered the hardware much with their cost saving measures unlike MS...

1823.3.2009 21:53

i dunno what u guys talking crap about but i paid over 600 for my 60gb ps3 and i love it. the machine is a beast and it finally getting AAA games. sure 360 is good but how can you backed up all claims specially when you talk shit about sells on the ps2? seriously if you wanna play the same game then ps2 130000 and xbox 1 = 0. people just do not get that the ps3 is not the only bussiness sony is running. add ps2 , add psp, add all blueray gains, plus ps3 bussiness. they are everywhere !! sounds brutal but is true and that y very unlikely they will never be out of bussiness.

1923.3.2009 21:56

Originally posted by cartucho:
i dunno what u guys talking crap about but i paid over 600 for my 60gb ps3 and i love it. the machine is a beast and it finally getting AAA games. sure 360 is good but how can you backed up all claims specially when you talk shit about sells on the ps2? seriously if you wanna play the same game then ps2 130000 and xbox 1 = 0. people just do not get that the ps3 is not the only bussiness sony is running. add ps2 , add psp, add all blueray gains, plus ps3 bussiness. they are everywhere !! sounds brutal but is true and that y very unlikely they will never be out of bussiness.
Minus the PS2 bit since they took BWC out....

2023.3.2009 22:17

Originally posted by cartucho:
i dunno what u guys talking crap about but i paid over 600 for my 60gb ps3 and i love it. the machine is a beast and it finally getting AAA games. sure 360 is good but how can you backed up all claims specially when you talk shit about sells on the ps2? seriously if you wanna play the same game then ps2 130000 and xbox 1 = 0. people just do not get that the ps3 is not the only bussiness sony is running. add ps2 , add psp, add all blueray gains, plus ps3 bussiness. they are everywhere !! sounds brutal but is true and that y very unlikely they will never be out of bussiness.
Same for Microsoft. They got the portable music market with Zune, they got practically a monopoly on operating systems, since pretty much every computer at any school, government building, and office runs on Windows. Sure there's linux and mac's, but 1% don't matter. They also have another just about monopoly on office programs. Again it seems like all schools, government buildings, and offices run Microsoft Office, even though there's the free and open source alternative of open office.

Nintendo is the one in trouble. All they have is video games. If the DS and the Wii were doing bad, don't you think that could be the end of nintendo?

2123.3.2009 22:35

Quote:
Originally posted by cartucho:
i dunno what u guys talking crap about but i paid over 600 for my 60gb ps3 and i love it. the machine is a beast and it finally getting AAA games. sure 360 is good but how can you backed up all claims specially when you talk shit about sells on the ps2? seriously if you wanna play the same game then ps2 130000 and xbox 1 = 0. people just do not get that the ps3 is not the only bussiness sony is running. add ps2 , add psp, add all blueray gains, plus ps3 bussiness. they are everywhere !! sounds brutal but is true and that y very unlikely they will never be out of bussiness.
Same for Microsoft. They got the portable music market with Zune, they got practically a monopoly on operating systems, since pretty much every computer at any school, government building, and office runs on Windows. Sure there's linux and mac's, but 1% don't matter. They also have another just about monopoly on office programs. Again it seems like all schools, government buildings, and offices run Microsoft Office, even though there's the free and open source alternative of open office.

Nintendo is the one in trouble. All they have is video games. If the DS and the Wii were doing bad, don't you think that could be the end of nintendo?
Not really since they have not lost billions on keeping up with the johne's, sure they make that money back but jsut in time to spend it all away when a new console is launched.

MS has lost money on vista yet still makes enough money off their OSs to stay in the game no matter what little profit their game system brings in , its the same for sony they have movies to sustain them.

Nin has made more off the WII than both the 360 and PS3 put together to this date so they don't have to worry abotu a slow ins ales because they have already made their money and can release a new console at any time now unlike MS who can;t even build one right or Sony whos wishing they did not cock up like they did..

2223.3.2009 23:25

Sony could Use a little brushing up by rivals. MS is using taunting tactics for better or worse.

as I've said so many times before Xbox's Heat issues can be resolved by the user, and its a dying shame MS won't do it themselves.

2323.3.2009 23:30

I'm surprised they don't come out with a revised console like Sony always does... Like maybe one with better ventilation and such, maybe make it smaller? Sony did it with the PS2, significantly, and it still ran cool and whatever... Well maybe not cool but mine never overheated after hours and hours of play, and it felt like a hot pan :S

2423.3.2009 23:30
varnull
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Actually.. they were interested in liquid cooling around the time the console was first released, but rejected it on cost and complexity grounds.

As said.. the heat problems can be solved by the user being aware that these things run a bit hot and using some sense where they put them. I don't think M$ care that much.. the failure rate is well within accepted industry percentages for electronics. Only about 2 more years for this console then they will roll out something else.. why bother with a radical redesign?

2523.3.2009 23:44

Originally posted by varnull:
Only about 2 more years for this console then they will roll out something else.. why bother with a radical redesign?
I donno... If they come out with a new console in two years that basically matches the PS3 (could it be that much better after like 5 years? I think it won't be a jump like a PS2 game to a PS3 game this time around), I think the PS3 would have a huge advantage because there already will be tons of games for it and it will be cheaper then the new Xbox (a brand new console $200 off the bat?), which will have like nothing because it's new.

Kinda like how the Dreamcast was lost... It was put out too late where it had like the best graphics and everything but then the PS2 came around 2 years later or whatever and kicked ass with even better graphics and stuff... If they come out with a console too soon, or if Sony doesn't release one with them, it will fail. Unless the graphics are just that much better (which I doubt at this time) and it's cheap, and it works, but there's no such thing as perfect...
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2623.3.2009 23:50

Originally posted by beanos66:
the ps2 owners who are buying consoles now are the sensible ones who were waiting for the price to come down, trouble is the price of the ps3 hasn't so they are going to 360 coz without backwards compatability there is no point waiting for a ps3 price drop
Yada...yada...yada. Keep reach back and up in there for SOMETHING useful!

<COUGH>tard<COUGH>

2723.3.2009 23:52

I got a 60GB for the BWC... Do I ever use it though?

No.


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2824.3.2009 11:57

Sony can release a new console in 2 years as long as they stay true to form with how they handled the PS2 - producing games for 2 years alongside the PS3. I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon though. But I'd be happy holding on to the PS3. It's just a large investment to turn around in such a short time. I didn't spend as much on it though. $400 for the 40GB model. $42 for a second controller recently. Through coupons and promotion codes, I upgraded to a 320GB HDD for $50. I scored a USB-PS2 adapter for free and am able to use my Logitech wireless PS2 controller for a third controller. If friends come over, I always ask one of them to bring 1 PS3 controller. Works out fine. I feel like I spent the least amount I was willing to, for a solid machine that covers my gaming needs and my interest in bluray. Depending on how tech changes, I would drop another $500-$600 in a few more years.

2924.3.2009 12:02

Sony needs a price drop to shut Microsoft up.

3024.3.2009 12:18

Originally posted by emugamer:
Sony can release a new console in 2 years as long as they stay true to form with how they handled the PS2 - producing games for 2 years alongside the PS3. I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon though. But I'd be happy holding on to the PS3. It's just a large investment to turn around in such a short time. I didn't spend as much on it though. $400 for the 40GB model. $42 for a second controller recently. Through coupons and promotion codes, I upgraded to a 320GB HDD for $50. I scored a USB-PS2 adapter for free and am able to use my Logitech wireless PS2 controller for a third controller. If friends come over, I always ask one of them to bring 1 PS3 controller. Works out fine. I feel like I spent the least amount I was willing to, for a solid machine that covers my gaming needs and my interest in bluray. Depending on how tech changes, I would drop another $500-$600 in a few more years.
Why they have no reason to release a new console one of the reasons the PS3 is so expensive is the technology behind it. it also happens to be its drawback.

3124.3.2009 12:36

Quote:
Originally posted by emugamer:
Sony can release a new console in 2 years as long as they stay true to form with how they handled the PS2 - producing games for 2 years alongside the PS3. I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon though. But I'd be happy holding on to the PS3. It's just a large investment to turn around in such a short time. I didn't spend as much on it though. $400 for the 40GB model. $42 for a second controller recently. Through coupons and promotion codes, I upgraded to a 320GB HDD for $50. I scored a USB-PS2 adapter for free and am able to use my Logitech wireless PS2 controller for a third controller. If friends come over, I always ask one of them to bring 1 PS3 controller. Works out fine. I feel like I spent the least amount I was willing to, for a solid machine that covers my gaming needs and my interest in bluray. Depending on how tech changes, I would drop another $500-$600 in a few more years.
Why they have no reason to release a new console one of the reasons the PS3 is so expensive is the technology behind it. it also happens to be its drawback.
I was just addressing a comment that was made that Sony will probably release a new console in 2 years anyway - which I don't happen to agree with. But, if they did, for whatever reason, then my above comment would hold. Like you, I personally don't see a reason why they would and don't expect it.

Done are the days that I buy a system the same year it's released anyway. I waited a year after the PS3 release. Any "next-gen" from this point on will probably be a longer wait. I do miss the days when it was just Mario vs Sonic.
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3224.3.2009 12:43

I bet if Microsoft were to release a new console in 2 years, Sony will just come out with a redesigned PS3 with a cheaper price tag. I'm sure that would have lot's of sales just because it's "new". Every other console redesign for whatever always seem to do well...

3324.3.2009 13:02
varnull
Inactive

I just work on M$ and the way they go about things... 5 years life on a console.. then a new product.

People have very short memories.. a little research into the history of gaming consoles will show up some startling facts and links between the "big 3"

3424.3.2009 14:27

M$ was the last Corporation, i expected To fill the Void left by Sega.

in anycase the life of a Gaming Console has about 7 years before the next Gen.

3524.3.2009 19:45

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by emugamer:
Sony can release a new console in 2 years as long as they stay true to form with how they handled the PS2 - producing games for 2 years alongside the PS3. I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon though. But I'd be happy holding on to the PS3. It's just a large investment to turn around in such a short time. I didn't spend as much on it though. $400 for the 40GB model. $42 for a second controller recently. Through coupons and promotion codes, I upgraded to a 320GB HDD for $50. I scored a USB-PS2 adapter for free and am able to use my Logitech wireless PS2 controller for a third controller. If friends come over, I always ask one of them to bring 1 PS3 controller. Works out fine. I feel like I spent the least amount I was willing to, for a solid machine that covers my gaming needs and my interest in bluray. Depending on how tech changes, I would drop another $500-$600 in a few more years.
Why they have no reason to release a new console one of the reasons the PS3 is so expensive is the technology behind it. it also happens to be its drawback.
I was just addressing a comment that was made that Sony will probably release a new console in 2 years anyway - which I don't happen to agree with. But, if they did, for whatever reason, then my above comment would hold. Like you, I personally don't see a reason why they would and don't expect it.

Done are the days that I buy a system the same year it's released anyway. I waited a year after the PS3 release. Any "next-gen" from this point on will probably be a longer wait. I do miss the days when it was just Mario vs Sonic.
I don't see a need for a new Sony console either as the price of the current PS3 250-350 is abotu the price of a new system. The PS3 has enough horse power to last 8 years or more. SO the main problem is Sony buckling down and doing what is needed to get the console in position to make money and that's reduce the price and a take a profit hit on the front end that's the only thing they can do with the business model they chose.

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