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Sony cuts price of PS2

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 31 Mar 2009 16:19 User comments (63)

Sony cuts price of PS2 Sony America has announced that they will be cutting the price of the aging PlayStation 2 console by over 20 percent to $99.99 USD beginning tomorrow.
The company hopes the new deal will help push the lifespan of the console, which has sold almost 140 million units since its launch in late 2000.

The PS2 will now retail for $300 USD less than the cheapest PlayStation 3 model, which analysts and consumers alike agree, needs a price cut. Sony notes however that the company still loses money on every console sold, so a price cut would deepen current losses.

Sony is currently undergoing a major restructuring and is expected to announce their first net loss in 14 years.

Recently, Microsoft product management director Aaron Greenberg slammed Sony over their console sales figures, saying: "What we're finding in our research is that a large portion of the volume we're driving with Xbox 360 purchasers is actually PS2 owners choosing Xbox for the next generation. Xbox continues to head north while the PS3 is heading south. We're gaining share."

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131.3.2009 16:30

Um...Okay your a bit late though Sony, it next gen already.

maybe you could lower the price of the PS3.(the idea suddenly fades as the sound Sony Executive's laughing hysterically in the background are heard)

231.3.2009 16:33

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Sony is currently undergoing a major restructuring and is expected to announce their first net loss in 14 years.

LOL when I first read this, I thought that it meant, "Sony is currently undergoing a major restructuring and is expected to announce their first net loss 14 years from now." I was scratching my head for a few minutes before I finally got it. :-D

331.3.2009 16:48

first net loss for when? quarter 4 figures were already out for 2008 and they were positive, do you mean for this quarter?, because i remember afterdawn saying the same thing about a month or two ago.

431.3.2009 16:57

Originally posted by korgoth3:
first net loss for when? quarter 4 figures were already out for 2008 and they were positive, do you mean for this quarter?, because i remember afterdawn saying the same thing about a month or two ago.
For the fiscal year ended March 31. :)

531.3.2009 16:58

News Flash! Microsoft to counter Sony's move by reintroducing the Xbox!

631.3.2009 18:28

Originally posted by spartybob:
News Flash! Microsoft to counter Sony's move by reintroducing the Xbox!
Why would they do that....they have no reason to, xbox was discontinued the moment the 360 showed up.

731.3.2009 18:52

Jeeze, what was the previous price of the PS2? I remember back in January 2006 I bought my 2nd PS2 cause my original one died. I remember it being something like $120. I thought these things were just $90 for the past year? I guess not.

831.3.2009 19:01

i buy used, i had a SCPH10001 when it first came out it lasted 3 years till the mystical thief fairy made it magically disappear. then i bought a slimline and it broke in the first 3 months. slimline's are landfill waist not even worth 50 bucks. i then bought a used SCPH39001 and its worked 3 years and counting.

931.3.2009 19:12

Yeah Xbox owners kinda got hosed when M$ dropped Xbox right away when the 360 hit. A four year lifespan is pretty low whereas the PS2 might last nine or even ten years. It's no surprise that the PS2 is still ticking. The PS2 has an amazing gaming library that you might not be able to play with certain versions of PS3. If you don't have a PS2 already, you might as well drop $100 so that you have access to the PS2 library before Sony discontinues the console. It's nice to go back and play older gen games on occasion anyway. Sony could have dropped the PS2's price earlier but the sales were so good up until now at $130 that they probably didn't see a need to do so.

1031.3.2009 19:14

I can't believe it. Im a fan of both systems as I have a PS3 & 360 elite. Microsoft was very smart about phasing out the original XBOX within the first year of the 360 release. PS2 should have been GONE over 2 years ago.

1131.3.2009 19:25

Originally posted by Blackloz:
I can't believe it. Im a fan of both systems as I have a PS3 & 360 elite. Microsoft was very smart about phasing out the original XBOX within the first year of the 360 release. PS2 should have been GONE over 2 years ago.
There was no need to phase out the PS2, they used the PS2 to soften the blow of the PS3's Loss Per unit. it also provided the chance for devs get some good games out. while they where busy trying to figure out how to code for that overpriced Nuclear Missile Tracking System.

Sad part is allot of devs didn't quite get it or was to expensive to develop for so the PS2 Still lives.

1231.3.2009 20:29

I have been awaiting a good reason to supplement my pc gaming by getting a PS3..and Im not seeing any such reason. There are only a handful of exclusive PS3 titles that are "must-have" and sadly, Sony is not realizing that we are in a recession now. PS2? Who the hell needs a price reduction for the pS2???

PCSX2 (ps2 emulator) runs FF12 at 1920x1200 on my e8400..something that even the PS3 cant do! Unless Sony gets off their fat Japanese asses and lowers prices drastically..they are TOAST.

131.4.2009 0:55

Fat...Japanese...no way...

141.4.2009 4:52

WARNING: Possible April Fool's joke -- There MAY be a Sony press release today saying that the 80GB 'base' model has been discontinued but will sell for $299.99 starting 4/6 until they sell out and a new 160GB model w/ the return of software-based PS2 backward compatibility (~80%) will soon be available for the $399.99 price (possibly bundled w/ RESISTANCE 2).

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151.4.2009 8:13

Originally posted by windsong:
I have been awaiting a good reason to supplement my pc gaming by getting a PS3..and Im not seeing any such reason. There are only a handful of exclusive PS3 titles that are "must-have" and sadly, Sony is not realizing that we are in a recession now. PS2? Who the hell needs a price reduction for the pS2???

PCSX2 (ps2 emulator) runs FF12 at 1920x1200 on my e8400..something that even the PS3 cant do! Unless Sony gets off their fat Japanese asses and lowers prices drastically..they are TOAST.
Does it run flawlessly? As far as I was aware, there is no PS2 emulator that can run any commercial game perfectly and by perfectly, I mean no voice glitches, no rendering issues etc. AT ALL! :-)

If it indeed can, I may need to revisit this emulator... Otherwise I would prefer to play it on my PS2 console. I much prefer the graphical improvements my PC can make when rendering PSX, N64 games via emulators over the original console but last time I tried a PS2 emulator they were still far too buggy. I prefer to play a game without bugs rather than one that looks nicer WITH bugs.
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"Great minds discuss ideas... Average minds discuss events... Small minds discuss people"

PS3 compatible video creation thread... mkv2vob, tsMuxeR etc.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/621809
The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346

161.4.2009 9:37
pphoenix
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Sony have, as per usual decided to rip off Great Britain!

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/31/sony_ps2_price_cut/

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Sony has treated PlayStation 2 buyers in North America and Europe to a console cost cut. But the electronics giant has confirmed that UK consumers won’t see any reduction.

A spokesperson for Sony Computer Entertainment told website MCV that “neither [the European or North American price cuts] affect the UK – the price will remain the same here”.

Sony hasn’t given a reason for its decision not to cut the PS2’s price in the UK, which currently carries a recommended sale price of £95 ($136/€102).

In North America the price has been cut from $130 to $100 (£70/€75). The aging console will now also cost €100 (£93/$133) in continental Europe.
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171.4.2009 11:14

Sony heres a clue...."Ur doingz it wrong!!"
If anything they should have raised the cost of the PS2 to 150 or 170, and lowered the price of the PS3.....

181.4.2009 11:41

Pretty pointless.

And to make it worse, this price drop is excluded from the UK.
Was seriously hoping for a PS3 price drop.
All my friends are heading towards the 360 because of money problems.

191.4.2009 13:30

THAT THING SHOULD COST LIKE 20 BUCKS ALREADY

201.4.2009 13:31

I wonder if sony ever gets out of the gaming business. who will take there place Apple or will Sega Comeback To give it another Go.

i find it very ironic Sega was brought down by bad timing, Sony picked a bad time to release a Power House Console so will the same happen to them.

211.4.2009 16:13

Sony didn't pick a bad time... It was a little late but they're picking up ok...

Sega picked a really REALLY bad time lol

221.4.2009 17:27

Even if Sony drops the PS3 price now, how many fence sitters are left for Sony to pick up now? It's too little, too late. Didn't this gen reach 100 million consoles faster than last gen? And most consumers only get one console per gen.

231.4.2009 17:48
varnull
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Know your history.. sega got well and truly crapped on by sony after doing 90% of the development on the ps1

241.4.2009 19:37

Originally posted by inagasake:
Even if Sony drops the PS3 price now, how many fence sitters are left for Sony to pick up now? It's too little, too late. Didn't this gen reach 100 million consoles faster than last gen? And most consumers only get one console per gen.
No, like I have a PS3 and a Wii and I'll be getting a 360 just to hack and save some money on multiplatform games...

Many people this generation have more then one console, or all of them. They're all very different and close. Last generation was a different story cause PS2 was superior.

251.4.2009 19:50

Originally posted by varnull:
Know your history.. sega got well and truly crapped on by sony after doing 90% of the development on the ps1
Yeah...So whats your point?.

regardless of history lessons, the Dreamcast Was a pinnacle of engineering cast out by very bad timing.

261.4.2009 20:10

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Sony America has announced that they will be cutting the price of the aging PlayStation 2 console by over 20 percent to $99.99 USD beginning tomorrow.
This is a massive price difference to what i paid back in the day. I wish the ps3 prices drop faster than the ps2 mind u i bought mine recently so it wont make a difference for me.

271.4.2009 22:12

Originally posted by DXR88:
i buy used, i had a SCPH10001 when it first came out it lasted 3 years till the mystical thief fairy made it magically disappear. then i bought a slimline and it broke in the first 3 months. slimline's are landfill waist not even worth 50 bucks. i then bought a used SCPH39001 and its worked 3 years and counting.

Original slims sucked. The new ones actually work.

281.4.2009 23:31

Originally posted by core2kid:
Original slims sucked. The new ones actually work.
i dunno the first one i had left a bad taste for them. it also feels like i im not getting my moneys worth in the slims

292.4.2009 9:10
ak472009
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i still like ps2 but the price needs to be down for ps3

302.4.2009 11:05

Quote:
Originally posted by varnull:
Know your history.. sega got well and truly crapped on by sony after doing 90% of the development on the ps1
Yeah...So whats your point?.

regardless of history lessons, the Dreamcast Was a pinnacle of engineering cast out by very bad timing.
sigh...I miss my Dreamcast..even the Saturn wasnt as bad as everyone made it out to be...

312.4.2009 20:57

LOL... Dreamcast was a good system but i am afraid that the Saturn was only as bad as Sega made it be.....They hyped up the console as the most powerful of the two (ps1 and saturn). Then they drove off all the developers with their design making it steeply priced and diff to program for leaving a poor selection of games and bad, choppy, unclean polygon texturing.
I walked in on my cousin playing tomb raider years ago and asked what the hell was wrong with his tv picture. Then i looked and saw the saturn and the controller he was holding and realized he wasnot playing the PS1 version that i owned. Their was a big noticeable diff in graphics. I hope this doesnot turn out to be ditto with the PS3 programming as well. Would be a shame to see power of a console never get utilized b/c of bad design.

PS2 will probably always be my favorite console. They have so many titles to choose from and i can just remeber the classics from the PS2 beginning era that blew my mind. Tekken, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Streetfighter alpha. Those were good times.

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322.4.2009 21:53

Originally posted by lxhotboy:
PS2 will probably always be my favorite console. They have so many titles to choose from and i can just remeber the classics from the PS2 beginning era that blew my mind. Tekken, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Streetfighter alpha. Those were good times.

+1
Couldn't agree more.

332.4.2009 22:26

Let me know when the headline reads 'Sony cuts price of PS3'...

342.4.2009 22:31

Originally posted by avoidz:
Let me know when the headline reads 'Sony cuts price of PS3'...

come back in 2 years, lol.

352.4.2009 23:08

Quote:
Originally posted by avoidz:
Let me know when the headline reads 'Sony cuts price of PS3'...

come back in 2 years, lol.
Thing is, you're not joking :)

362.4.2009 23:17

I have the MGS 80GB PS3 bundle. I'll know that I never spent too much on it because I am one of the few who have backwards compatibility. I don't know why they took it out. Does it actually cost them money to put it in the systems? It was software emulation.

373.4.2009 4:15

Originally posted by core2kid:
I have the MGS 80GB PS3 bundle. I'll know that I never spent too much on it because I am one of the few who have backwards compatibility. I don't know why they took it out. Does it actually cost them money to put it in the systems? It was software emulation.
If its nto the 60GB unit ti dose not have full BWC, the 80GB units have a crappy software emulation that dose not work for 30% of ps2 titles....

383.4.2009 6:34

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Originally posted by core2kid:
I have the MGS 80GB PS3 bundle. I'll know that I never spent too much on it because I am one of the few who have backwards compatibility. I don't know why they took it out. Does it actually cost them money to put it in the systems? It was software emulation.
If its nto the 60GB unit ti dose not have full BWC, the 80GB units have a crappy software emulation that dose not work for 30% of ps2 titles....

70% b/c is still better than 0. And the 60GB heats up faster and has a higher failure rate than the 80s. You win some you lose some.

393.4.2009 8:35

Originally posted by varnull:
Know your history.. sega got well and truly crapped on by sony after doing 90% of the development on the ps1
Um...I don't know where that "information" is based off, but it is completely incorrect. The true history is that Nintendo tried to screw Sony but Sony turned it around and the Playstation was born.


Originally posted by DVDBack23:
sigh...I miss my Dreamcast..even the Saturn wasnt as bad as everyone made it out to be...
Definitely agree. I still have my launch day DC (but got rid of my Saturn after a week...still kicking myself in the ass for that one).


Originally posted by avoidz:
Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by avoidz:
Let me know when the headline reads 'Sony cuts price of PS3'...

come back in 2 years, lol.
Thing is, you're not joking :)
A couple more months tops.
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403.4.2009 9:04
varnull
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Unfortunately.. I have followed the history of games consoles since the Atari Jaguar XD .. unlike way to many people around here.

They fell out over the name and some part of the licensing.. resulting in the ps1 and the saturn.. instead of the one machine which should have been up against the dreamcast.

I still to this day think the saturn was the better system.

Anyway.. I have promised Andre that I won't get into any more arguments with the abusers of power on this site so that's all I'm saying.. If people can't be bothered to do some simple research into the history of the screwing over of others by their commercial sponsors then that's fair enough.

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413.4.2009 9:13

Looks to me like when you are proven wrong you immediately run and get on the high horse to act as if my title = abuse (as usual) trying to change the subject instead of admitting you where wrong to begin with. A simple wiki supports my truth vs consistent misinformation (not to mention nearly 30 years of gaming experience...that's before the Atari 2600) -> Proof always prevails over "words/talk"


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Source ~ from Wiki link provided above ;)

The first conceptions of the PlayStation date back to 1986 in Japan where it was created. Nintendo had been attempting to work with disc technology since the Famicom, but the medium had problems. Its rewritable magnetic nature could be easily erased (thus leading to a lack of durability), and the discs were a copyright infringement danger. Consequently, when details of CDROM/XA (an extension of the CD-ROM format that combines compressed audio, visual and computer data, allowing all to be accessed simultaneously) came out, Nintendo was interested. CD-ROM/XA was being simultaneously developed by Sony and Philips. Nintendo approached Sony to develop a CD-ROM add-on, tentatively titled the "SNES-CD". A contract was signed, and work began. Nintendo's choice of Sony was due to a prior dealing: Ken Kutaragi, the person who would later be dubbed "The Father of PlayStation", was the individual who had sold Nintendo on using the Sony SPC-700 processor for use as the eight-channel ADPCM sound synthesis set in the Super Famicom/SNES console through an impressive demonstration of the processor's capabilities.[12]

Sony also planned to develop another, Nintendo compatible, Sony-branded console, but one which would be more of a home entertainment system playing both Super Nintendo cartridges and a new CD format which Sony would design. This was also to be the format used in SNES-CD discs, giving a large degree of control to Sony despite Nintendo's leading position in the video gaming market.
The DualShock controller.

The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.

After the collapse of the joint project, Sony considered halting their research, but ultimately the company decided to use what they had developed so far and make it into a complete, stand alone console. As a result, Nintendo filed a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and attempted, in U.S. federal court, to obtain an injunction against the release of the PlayStation, on the grounds that Nintendo owned the name. The federal judge presiding over the case denied the injunction and, in October 1991, the first incarnation of the new Sony PlayStation was revealed. However, it is theorized that only 200 or so of these machines were ever produced.
PlayStation Memory Card.

By the end of 1992, Sony and Nintendo reached a deal whereby the "Sony Play Station" would still have a port for SNES games, but Nintendo would own the rights and receive the bulk of the profits from the games, and the SNES would continue to use the Sony-designed audio chip. However, Sony decided in early 1993 to begin reworking the "Play Station" concept to target a new generation of hardware and software. As part of this process the SNES cartridge port was dropped and the space between the names was removed.

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423.4.2009 9:28

Originally posted by varnull:
Unfortunately.. I have followed the history of games consoles since the Atari Jaguar XD .. unlike way to many people around here.

They fell out over the name and some part of the licensing.. resulting in the ps1 and the saturn.. instead of the one machine which should have been up against the dreamcast.

I still to this day think the saturn was the better system.

Anyway.. I have promised Andre that I won't get into any more arguments with the abusers of power on this site so that's all I'm saying.. If people can't be bothered to do some simple research into the history of the screwing over of others by their commercial sponsors then that's fair enough.

I have followed gaming since the NES, with some experience with the Atari 2600, the Saturn was a nightmare more difficult to code for than the PS3, less support by sega than the PS3 by sony which meant it had a hand full of titles most of which sucked....kinda like the PS3...but I digress.

I'd say the Genisis was better even though I loveed the SNES it had cost issues and most of the titles I wanted didnt get ported over to the states...

For the 32bit Era (PSX/N64/Saturn) I'd have to side with the N64 for the first 4 years and the PSX for the rest. For the next generation of PS2/DC/GC/Xbox I'd have to side with the DC for the first couple of years by that time the PS2 was doing alot better.

The newer the console gets the less staying power it has as the industry shift to more mainstreamized influences wanking on qaulity....


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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433.4.2009 9:37
varnull
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*yawn* .. do you have a life?

443.4.2009 9:42

Originally posted by varnull:
*yawn* .. do you have a life?

As much as you it seems.


:P

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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464.4.2009 0:07

Originally posted by varnull:
Unfortunately.. I have followed the history of games consoles since the Atari Jaguar XD .. unlike way to many people around here.

They fell out over the name and some part of the licensing.. resulting in the ps1 and the saturn.. instead of the one machine which should have been up against the dreamcast.

I still to this day think the saturn was the better system.

Anyway.. I have promised Andre that I won't get into any more arguments with the abusers of power on this site so that's all I'm saying.. If people can't be bothered to do some simple research into the history of the screwing over of others by their commercial sponsors then that's fair enough.
Oh lord you have powder milk on your breath. I have been following gaming since before the Atari 2600 as they had earlier models before its debut. You may need to follow a little closer in your history lessons in video gaming history b/c Oner is right. I thought everyone knew that Sony and Nintendo had the fallout that led to the release of the PS1 and eventually N64.

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The Sega Saturn, although the most technically advanced console of the generation, suffered from poor marketing and comparatively limited third-party support. Sega's decision to use dual processors was roundly criticized, and some wrongly believe the second CPU was added as a "panic" response to the PlayStation's specifications.[citation needed] Regardless of their reasons for including it, only Sega's first-party developers were ever able to use the second CPU effectively.[verification needed] The Saturn was far more difficult than the PlayStation to program for, and the 3D graphics on its 3rd party games often lacked the luster of the PlayStation or Nintendo 64 (N64), a severe disadvantage at the dawn of 3D games.

Sega was also hurt by the plan to have a surprise four-month-early US launch of their console. This head start failed for several reasons. One of the major reasons being there were few software titles ready. Also, the fact that the Sega Saturn was US$100 more costly than the PlayStation pushed many potential buyers into purchasing the cheaper PlayStation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_...fth_generation)

As far as the PS1 and Saturn, i question your memory of history again as i dont see how Saturn was any better than PS1. With the next-gen consoles of today(PS3 & Xbox360) the games look basically the same at this time. Pretty much identical from both version of recent games like Resident Evil 5. But back then their was a huge noticable diff in graphics on PS1 and saturn. Not to mention the saturn was $399 in US at launch while PS1 was $299. As everyone knows then Saturn did actually have more hardware muscle under the hood. Saturn had a V-10 and PS1 on a V-8 engine. LoL But i guess with all the bad coding for the saturn you could say the PS1 was more efficient with producing horsepower with it fuel even with a smaller engine. Also i remember a weak lineup of games for the Saturn when compared to the PS1 so as much as i respect your opinion i really think you should rethink this one. It would be best to just admit you made a bad call on this one as we all goof sometimes.

Does anyone remember coleco vision? I played Burgertime for hours back then.
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474.4.2009 1:42

The Saturn Was 10 times the machine Playstation ever was, when coded for properly(even Sega couldn't get it right, and they built the dame thing)it was years ahead of its time(PS3 anyone)Sega shot themselves in the foot at the same time by locking the second core to first party developers leaving 3rd party devs with blocky looking games (Virtual fighter anyone).

anyhow the more i think about it the more the PS3 reminds me of the Saturn.

the most of us knew the DreamCast was going to be short lived when the PS2 hit the stores. Sega had made major mistakes mostly on the consumer end which lost them a sizable fanbase they gathered from the Geneses/x32 SegaCD. so when dreamcast came around only the diehard fans where intersted.

the Saturn was there undoing, and a bad release date for the dreamcast was the final nail in there coffin.

484.4.2009 4:21
leady
Inactive

a lot of stores have already sold this machine for 100.....months ago

494.4.2009 6:36

Originally posted by DXR88:
The Saturn Was 10 times the machine Playstation ever was, when coded for properly(even Sega couldn't get it right, and they built the dame thing)it was years ahead of its time(PS3 anyone)Sega shot themselves in the foot at the same time by locking the second core to first party developers leaving 3rd party devs with blocky looking games (Virtual fighter anyone).

anyhow the more i think about it the more the PS3 reminds me of the Saturn.

the most of us knew the DreamCast was going to be short lived when the PS2 hit the stores. Sega had made major mistakes mostly on the consumer end which lost them a sizable fanbase they gathered from the Geneses/x32 SegaCD. so when dreamcast came around only the diehard fans where intersted.

the Saturn was there undoing, and a bad release date for the dreamcast was the final nail in there coffin.
Sega spent to much money on hardware, the DC was perfect in many ways but due to their previous losses they decided to pull out, the DC was making money but akin to the Xbox Sega didn't have the money for full production+debt aired from the Saturn and other bad decisions, unlike MS how has more money than bwainz 0-o.

Hell the DC was supported in Japan even making new units for about 5 or so years after they pulled it from the international market. Even a few games were made for it in that time frame.

The 32X and the bad mistakes with the Saturn is what did the most damage to them.

504.4.2009 9:50

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
The 32X and the bad mistakes with the Saturn is what did the most damage to them.
Along with the SegaCD add-on & SegaCDX standalone. These REALLY helped it along because of no consumer interest whatsoever. I really wish Sega would have never made certain choices back then because it would have been a much better fight between Ninty, Sega & Sony actually PUSHING technology and home gaming/entertainment instead of unstable, over priced, standard off the shelf components with exorbitant accessories and online MP fees...but I digress.

As for the Saturn - PS3 connection, I can see & understand some of the similarities but the current amount sold (PS3), numerous studios support and track record Sony has in the console region totally negates any small connection those certain aspects compare. Yes anything can happen but it is extremely unlikely. If anything people should be more worrisome about MS & their losses incurred from the original Xbox (4+ Billion) and the current losses (1+ Billion & counting) from RROD (the original 3 lights and current E74, 1 light on the supposed NEW "RROD proof motherboards").

On topic though I don't see the PS2 going away anytime soon for multiple reasons:

1) Continued studio support, remember 140+ Million PS2's have been sold to the public...that is a HUGE consumer base for businesses to tap.

2) New expansion in territories like India & Russia with big incentives for new studios in their respective locales (open source/platform for these areas Source 1, Source 2)

3) Sony still profiting off the PS2 (and PSP) which DEFINITELY helps to off set any losses from the PS3. Although they are close to, or already are, breaking even or very slightly profiting off the PS3 currently; because of manufacturing costs being cut from the jump from 90nm to 65nm and the removal of BC (Source 1, Source 2, Source 3) add that to the 08 fiscal year earnings/sales/profits and there isn't as much doom & gloom as people love to make it out to be.

514.4.2009 10:31

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
The 32X and the bad mistakes with the Saturn is what did the most damage to them.
Along with the SegaCD add-on & SegaCDX standalone. These REALLY helped it along because of no consumer interest whatsoever. I really wish Sega would have never made certain choices back then because it would have been a much better fight between Ninty, Sega & Sony actually PUSHING technology and home gaming/entertainment instead of unstable, over priced, standard off the shelf components with exorbitant accessories and online MP fees...but I digress.

I dunno the Sega CD was not sooo bad...but whatever issues it brought the 32X did made things worse.

Well MS was doing something new and needed the money for infrastructure since they were bleeding money building the brand.

I don't think any of them could have implemented a free online system at that time.


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As for the Saturn - PS3 connection, I can see & understand some of the similarities but the current amount sold (PS3), numerous studios support and track record Sony has in the console region totally negates any small connection those certain aspects compare.

I disagree the compressions are stark, Issues with design(hardware/code) and price, Issues with dev support and issues with slow sales.

Sony if they were paying attention learned some things from it and managed to try and do more with dev support but they still have a ton of issues and alot of damage from the price and design, but unlike Sega they have enough of a world wide fan base to muddle through until it takes off. Sony has yet to post a profit on the PS3.


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Yes anything can happen but it is extremely unlikely. If anything people should be more worrisome about MS & their losses incurred from the original Xbox (4+ Billion) and the current losses (1+ Billion & counting) from RROD (the original 3 lights and current E74, 1 light on the supposed NEW "RROD proof motherboards").

4B on the Xbox that got paid off before the 3B loss on the RROD, MS is a lulz fest indeed.

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On topic though I don't see the PS2 going away anytime soon for multiple reasons:

1) Continued studio support, remember 140+ Million PS2's have been sold to the public...that is a HUGE consumer base for businesses to tap.

2) New expansion in territories like India & Russia with big incentives for new studios in their respective locales (open source/platform for these areas Source 1, Source 2)

3) Sony still profiting off the PS2 (and PSP) which DEFINITELY helps to off set any losses from the PS3. Although they are close to, or already are, breaking even or very slightly profiting off the PS3 currently; because of manufacturing costs being cut from the jump from 90nm to 65nm and the removal of BC (Source 1, Source 2, Source 3) add that to the 08 fiscal year earnings/sales/profits and there isn't as much doom & gloom as people love to make it out to be.
Most support for the PS2 will wane off in 3 or less years as most companies can not afford just selling a game to the PS2, PS2 and WII maybe and that just might push more life out of the PS2 but frankly with Sony and their new 2K dev kit that can port most of the code to the 360 I see more effort on PS360 in the coming years unles there is a huge change in the industry..
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524.4.2009 11:34

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Sony has yet to post a profit on the PS3.
While on paper or lack of confirmation you are correct, you have to look at the information provided by them about their cost cutting measures and how it has helped profitability for the Playstation line of products as a whole. It's well known that they are close to or already are breaking even with the PS3 since the sources I provided are quite a few months old already. Not a definitive yes, but Sony is after profitability over market share in these financial times (Source 1, Source 2) and we all know Sony are in it for the long haul with a 10 year plan which is prefaced by the success of the PS2's near decade dominance.


Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
4B on the Xbox that got paid off before the 3B loss on the RROD, MS is a lulz fest indeed.
From my understanding they have never gotten past the 4 Billion debt incurred by the original Xbox (and where never expected to so it was just absorbed and swept under the carpet). Could you post any links/info that shows different? Also for the 3 Billion in RROD, as all my searching and info has always had it at 1+ Billion and counting.



Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Most support for the PS2 will wane off in 3 or less years as most companies can not afford just selling a game to the PS2, PS2 and WII maybe and that just might push more life out of the PS2 but frankly with Sony and their new 2K dev kit that can port most of the code to the 360 I see more effort on PS360 in the coming years unles there is a huge change in the industry..
I absolutely agree with the 3 years or less time frame (which is not anytime soon ;) but that could be different in less developed territories that still want/need an inexpensive option. I also agree about the new dev kits and their pricing helping ease the current state of ports and coding for PS360 multi plat titles. It's a no brainer for a business to cover as much of an audience as possible in these financial times (I won't even get into the cost saving benefits of dev'ing on the PS3 first to port over to the 360 here).

The only huge change in the industry I see happening is MS dropping the 360 in the next 1-2 years coming out with their "NextBox" and shafting their customers again just as they did with the Xbox after only 4 years of support. Planned Obsolescence comes to mind in this situation...

534.4.2009 11:55
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That's the line with M$ .. "planned obsolescence"

They never release anything cutting edge to market. It's always old code and old tech... Keeps the sheeple buying.

544.4.2009 11:56

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Sony has yet to post a profit on the PS3.

While on paper or lack of confirmation you are correct, you have to look at the information provided by them about their cost cutting measures and how it has helped profitability for the Playstation line of products as a whole. It's well known that they are close to or already are breaking even with the PS3 since the sources I provided are quite a few months old already. Not a definitive yes, but Sony is after profitability over market share in these financial times (Source 1, Source 2) and we all know Sony are in it for the long haul with a 10 year plan which is prefaced by the success of the PS2's near decade dominance.

I dunno the 360 has dominated well in the US and the EU and from what I have heard they did make a profit off unit sales of the 360 at least before the RROD thing came up.

Sony should do well in the days ahead mostly in another year or 2, the 360 is aged and the WII if limited if it dose not start focusing on real games.

The WII still rules them all they have more profit than the PS360 combined, but that's mostly due to profit off unit sales even if they wane they have made more than most consoles do in a 3-4 year time frame so they are set.

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From my understanding they have never gotten past the 4 Billion debt incurred by the original Xbox (and where never expected to so it was just absorbed and swept under the carpet). Could you post any links/info that shows different? Also for the 3 Billion in RROD, as all my searching and info has always had it at 1+ Billion and counting.

I'll have to do some digging in my links I might have it I did some research on the 360 RROD thing but from what I recall they were making a profit before or as the RROD thing was coming to light.



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I absolutely agree with the 3 years or less time frame (which is not anytime soon ;) but that could be different in less developed territories that still want/need an inexpensive option. I also agree about the new dev kits and their pricing helping ease the current state of ports and coding for PS360 multi plat titles. It's a no brainer for a business to cover as much of an audience as possible in these financial times (I won't even get into the cost saving benefits of dev'ing on the PS3 first to port over to the 360 here).

Sony is getting it and MS is sticking to their ineptitude but they still has a large fan base witch will serve them well..

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The only huge change in the industry I see happening is MS dropping the 360 in the next 1-2 years coming out with their "NextBox" and shafting their customers again just as they did with the Xbox after only 4 years of support. Planned Obsolescence comes to mind in this situation...
I have been told that was a licensing issue with nivida when they jumped to ATI, that and time constraints did not allow them to to make it BWC, its better than oh snap lets rip it out because we fcked up. :P

I believe that the nextbox will have better BWC look at Windose 7 they are learning!! :P

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554.4.2009 15:57

Originally posted by varnull:
That's the line with M$ .. "planned obsolescence"

They never release anything cutting edge to market. It's always old code and old tech... Keeps the sheeple buying.
I couldn't have said it any better myself.


Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I dunno the 360 has dominated well in the US and the EU and from what I have heard they did make a profit off unit sales of the 360 at least before the RROD thing came up.

Sony should do well in the days ahead mostly in another year or 2, the 360 is aged and the WII if limited if it dose not start focusing on real games.

The WII still rules them all they have more profit than the PS360 combined, but that's mostly due to profit off unit sales even if they wane they have made more than most consoles do in a 3-4 year time frame so they are set.
US yes, but the EU is definitely not a clear lead for the 360 (despite a 16 month lead Source 1, Source 2, Source 3 and while that info is a bit old the overall sales in the EU for Sony month after month since then has been consistently topping MS) in JP the PS3 is hands down above MS and the same goes for the Aussies so in the world wide stage the standings are clearer when looked at like this

US
1) Wii
2) 360
3) PS3

EU
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360

JP
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360

AUS
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360

#1 - Wii with 4 top spots
#2 - PS3 with 3 2nd place spots & 1 3rd place
#3 - 360 with 3 last place spots & 1 2nd place

Even if you where to say that the EU is a toss up or to play fair a tie (because of a lack of "NPD-Famitsu/Chartget" so we have to go by the 3 console makers numbers themselves for bean counting) that still keeps the standings the same. But you throw in RROD "estimates" worldwide and the PS3's rock solid 0.5-2% sub industry standard failure rate...well, it makes for a great discussion to say the least!
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564.4.2009 17:08

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by varnull:
That's the line with M$ .. "planned obsolescence"

They never release anything cutting edge to market. It's always old code and old tech... Keeps the sheeple buying.
I couldn't have said it any better myself.


Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I dunno the 360 has dominated well in the US and the EU and from what I have heard they did make a profit off unit sales of the 360 at least before the RROD thing came up.

Sony should do well in the days ahead mostly in another year or 2, the 360 is aged and the WII if limited if it dose not start focusing on real games.

The WII still rules them all they have more profit than the PS360 combined, but that's mostly due to profit off unit sales even if they wane they have made more than most consoles do in a 3-4 year time frame so they are set.
US yes, but the EU is definitely not a clear lead for the 360 (despite a 16 month lead Source 1, Source 2, Source 3 and while that info is a bit old the overall sales in the EU for Sony month after month since then has been consistently topping MS) in JP the PS3 is hands down above MS and the same goes for the Aussies so in the world wide stage the standings are clearer when looked at like this

US
1) Wii
2) 360
3) PS3

EU
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360

JP
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360

AUS
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360

#1 - Wii with 4 top spots
#2 - PS3 with 3 2nd place spots & 1 3rd place
#3 - 360 with 3 last place spots & 1 2nd place

Even if you where to say that the EU is a toss up or to play fair a tie (because of a lack of "NPD-Famitsu/Chartget" so we have to go by the 3 console makers numbers themselves for bean counting) that still keeps the standings the same. But you throw in RROD "estimates" worldwide and the PS3's rock solid 0.5-2% sub industry standard failure rate...well, it makes for a great discussion to say the least!
Well I mean by dominate pre ps3, the WII dose not quite effect the 360 market at least not at first.

You can lower the 360 numbers by 30% world wide and distribute the numbers out everywhere evenly and the 360 still has alot of support.

Its pretty clear the 360 is slipping in its place as both the WII and PS3 mature its only a matter of time before the 360 dies in some fashion.

What should really be interesting to see if the 360 starts losing devs/exclusives(particularly Jrpgs) to the PS3 since sony released their new 2K dev kit.

I think Sony leveled the playing field with that manuver now if they drop the price 100$ they will have a flood of people coming to them.

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574.4.2009 18:49

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
What should really be interesting to see if the 360 starts losing devs/exclusives(particularly Jrpgs) to the PS3 since sony released their new 2K dev kit.

I think Sony leveled the playing field with that manuver now if they drop the price 100$ they will have a flood of people coming to them.
Losing them is not even that big of a deal...kinda, as they don't have much support anyway! Comparative to Ninty & especially Sony. Just look at how sparse 08's lineup of games where for MS and how 09 is looking even worse.

I believe a price drop is exactly what the PS3 needs to REALLY get things moving but I don't see that happening at least for a few more months while manufacturing cost drop even more and the ramp up for the holiday season 09 + AAA titles get released like Modern Warfare 2, Uncharted 2, GT5, MAG, Heavy Rain, GoW3 to name just a minimal few that are coming for later this year. Though there might just be a drop to $350 way before the holiday season but that is a slim possibility.

The bottom line is that there are too many variables and possibilities for all console manufacturers at any one time! And while certain things I say have an anti MS ere to them; it's just that their business model & practices since day one starting with Windows screw EVERYONE over (especially consumers so I have an inherent disdain for them ;) that I think anyone on aD can agree with lol). But the honest truth is you can't underestimate a company with an ungodly VAST amount of money behind them who are absolutely dead set on controlling our living rooms and the content that is tied to that device that they can profit on by any means necessary...
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584.4.2009 18:55

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
What should really be interesting to see if the 360 starts losing devs/exclusives(particularly Jrpgs) to the PS3 since sony released their new 2K dev kit.

I think Sony leveled the playing field with that manuver now if they drop the price 100$ they will have a flood of people coming to them.
Losing them is not even that big of a deal...kinda, as they don't have much support anyway! Comparative to Ninty & especially Sony. Just look at how sparse 08's lineup of games where for MS and how 09 is looking even worse.

I believe a price drop is exactly what the PS3 needs to REALLY get things moving but I don't see that happening at least for a few more months while manufacturing cost drop even more and the ramp up for the holiday season 09 + AAA titles get released like Modern Warfare 2, Uncharted 2, GT5, MAG, Heavy Rain, GoW3 to name just a minimal few that are coming for later this year.

The bottom line is that there are too many variables and possibilities for all console manufacturers at any one time! And while certain things I say have an anti MS ere to them; it's just that their business model & practices since day one starting with Windows screw EVERYONE over (especially consumers so I have an inherent disdain for them ;) that I think anyone on aD can agree with lol). But the honest truth is you can't underestimate a company with an ungodly VAST amount of money behind them who are absolutely dead set on controlling our living rooms and the content that is tied to that device that they can profit on by any means necessary...
Don't they(and games lie them that are starting to come out on the the 360 first or only) fire up the Asian market?

MS dose well in the US with its mindless twitch fests dose so so in the UK but those JP and Asian deved games( secondary or no) tend to do better in the somewhat vital Asian markets, the 360 has been making some ground in that respect but sony has set them up the bomb once it goes off the 360 will be buried under a mountain.

Every little bit of momentum lost for the 360 is one more nail in its coffin.

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594.4.2009 21:08

the 360 isn't going anywhere, its backed by a multi billion dollar giant. MS and Sony will be At it till one falls or gives up, and Sony is looking really grim.

I don't even use my 360 that much anymore since i upgraded my computer.

i do use it however for those really bad ports. im looking forward for the new Star Ocean on 360



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605.4.2009 8:35

Originally posted by DXR88:
the 360 isn't going anywhere, its backed by a multi billion dollar giant. MS and Sony will be At it till one falls or gives up, and Sony is looking really grim.

I don't even use my 360 that much anymore since i upgraded my computer.

i do use it however for those really bad ports. im looking forward for the new Star Ocean on 360
Its not a port though :P

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616.4.2009 9:41
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627.4.2009 1:40

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it's just that their business model & practices since day one starting with Windows screw EVERYONE over (especially consumers so I have an inherent disdain for them ;) that I think anyone on aD can agree with lol). But the honest truth is you can't underestimate a company with an ungodly VAST amount of money behind them who are absolutely dead set on controlling our living rooms and the content that is tied to that device that they can profit on by any means necessary...
I believe you typoed there, that is Apple...the most anti-consumer company on the planet.

637.4.2009 8:19

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
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it's just that their business model & practices since day one starting with Windows screw EVERYONE over (especially consumers so I have an inherent disdain for them ;) that I think anyone on aD can agree with lol). But the honest truth is you can't underestimate a company with an ungodly VAST amount of money behind them who are absolutely dead set on controlling our living rooms and the content that is tied to that device that they can profit on by any means necessary...
I believe you typoed there, that is Apple...the most anti-consumer company on the planet.
You're right in that, but Apple (and even Sony to an extent) has been more of an issue in recent years. More so than MS (since the early 80's) with their business model of stealing/copying/ripping people off and screwing consumers with blatantly crappy products without any accountability.

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