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Blu-ray 'Managed Copy' coming next year

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 13 Jun 2009 20:12 User comments (26)

Blu-ray 'Managed Copy' coming next year Yesterday we reported that the AACS Final Adopter Agreement had been made available and surprisingly still included in the license was the controversial Managed Copy which allows owners of Blu-ray movies to make themselves one legal digital copy to be played at home.
Today, Michael Ayers, chairman of the AACS Licensing Authority, has confirmed that all discs beginning in January 2010 will allow for one full 1080p resolution copy, which will be a Windows Media DRM video file which can then be burnt once to recordable BD or DVD discs.

Unfortunately, Ayers admits, most Blu-ray owners will not be able to make the copies immediately as current players will not have the ability to make the "managed copies." Suppliers do not expect to get new players out with the ability to do so until the Q2 2010 at the earliest.

Additionally, the major studios have the ability to charge for the copy and will have full control over what kind of backups can be made.

According to VideoBusiness, "the way managed copy is expected to work is that a consumer would insert their disc in a Blu-ray player and the disc’s menu would include an option to make a managed copy or the consumer might have to press some buttons on their Blu-ray device to make a copy, Ayers said. Once they choose the option to make a copy, the Blu-ray player connects online to an authorization server, run by a studio, supplier or the AACS-LA. The authorization server then gives the go-ahead to make a copy."

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26 user comments

113.6.2009 21:15

Wow, a glimmer of sense and genuine progress, at last.

Now all they have to do is make Blu-ray burners and blank media a sane price.

Unfortunately I expect that'll take years to come to pass too.

213.6.2009 21:25

And this stops people getting AnyDVD because....

313.6.2009 22:23

Ummmm what happens if while making said copy the copying process fails, hmmm me thinks they can stick their one copy up their jacksies while i stick with fab or sly copying software

413.6.2009 23:30

Guess they want that option because it's already out there via Slysoft

Geared towards them simple folk....




I best be off to purchase $1 songs from iTunes now.

514.6.2009 2:43

Yay! Another 20 minute PS3 update coming!!!! Can't Wait!!

614.6.2009 5:12

i think i will stick with anydvd

714.6.2009 10:51

Yet another brilliant idea. Next thing that would be offered will be the cover at and the case. This is probably the most useless attempt at anti piracy.

814.6.2009 11:10

lol this is just hilarious. so you can get charged for making a digital backup of something you already purchased and you wouldn't be able to do anything unless you purchased a new machine that was capable of doing it (per se)? obviously these people don't give a crap for fair use at all. the only thing they are doing is making it harder for the average person to make backups. these decisions are what drive piracy imo. why go through the hassle of making a backup at all that will be crippled with drm when you can download a drm free copy instead of being hassled to rip it yourself? the movie companies need to learn that you cannot stop the signal :P

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914.6.2009 18:18

nope I think this is a good albeit soft move. It shouldn't be a DRM copy but free to utilise, at the end of the day everyone backs up their DVD's/Blu-Rays right (albeith slightly non-kosher depending on where you are from) They will get there eventually.

1014.6.2009 18:48

Originally posted by Serialluv:
nope I think this is a good albeit soft move.
How can limiting someone's right to fair use be a good move? Most people have their videos encoded into multiple formats for valid reasons. I play things on my laptop, on a stand-alone dvd player, and I re-encode files to watch on my Nintendo DS for when I'm at work. If I legally purchased the movie I should be able to watch it on whatever system I want. I don't want to be told I can only make one digital copy in a format of THEIR choosing and then I may have to PAY for the privilege. That's crazy. Those types of restrictions have never been a good move.

I'm not overly concerned about something like this being implemented, however. I have faith in the community. It didn't take long to break restrictions on copying hd-dvds and blu-ray discs. I seriously doubt it will take long to break this latest bout of insanity. I think it is a waste of resources for these companies to even keep trying to dictate what we can do with media we legally purchase under the guise that it will stop piracy. They fail every time and the only person who gets screwed is the average joe who barely knows how to program the dvr.

1114.6.2009 19:18

Quote:
Originally posted by Serialluv:
nope I think this is a good albeit soft move.
How can limiting someone's right to fair use be a good move? Most people have their videos encoded into multiple formats for valid reasons. I play things on my laptop, on a stand-alone dvd player, and I re-encode files to watch on my Nintendo DS for when I'm at work. If I legally purchased the movie I should be able to watch it on whatever system I want. I don't want to be told I can only make one digital copy in a format of THEIR choosing and then I may have to PAY for the privilege. That's crazy. Those types of restrictions have never been a good move.

I'm not overly concerned about something like this being implemented, however. I have faith in the community. It didn't take long to break restrictions on copying hd-dvds and blu-ray discs. I seriously doubt it will take long to break this latest bout of insanity. I think it is a waste of resources for these companies to even keep trying to dictate what we can do with media we legally purchase under the guise that it will stop piracy. They fail every time and the only person who gets screwed is the average joe who barely knows how to program the dvr.
Sorry I think you misunderstood my comment, I said "good albeit soft" They are beginning to say you can make legitimate backup copies. If you read the rest of the post I go on to say it shouldn't be DRM copy but free to use, in other words convert to any digital format for your own use. I was agreeing with the steps forward not the restrictions. I personally back up my DVD's, convert them to AVI and PSP/iPod MP4 and use them how I see fit. so quick to attack I thought I had made my stance clear enough, by saying "it shouldn't be a DRM copy"

Maybe it's just me and the way I worded it??!?!?!?!

1214.6.2009 19:42

The only thing DRM is good for is lulz, so i can make 1 copy at a price of your choice??? Well thanks so much mister but i think ill stick to anydvd and my newsgroups

1315.6.2009 1:34

lol like its needed
Ive copied 20 blu ray movies already
anydvd, dvdfab6, tsremux
recent firmare update on my panasonic player allows virtually any blue ray movie to be played copied or not

15 tdk blu ray (25gb) discs on ebay for $45
5 50gb re write for $50
(keep em on rewrite til you get fed up, or remux and use multi blu ray and dvd or 2 25gb discs)
ORRRRRR just use a really cool hi def laptop like my hp dragon and save movies to external hdd
lothors............very good point, anydvd rocks
btw how many people DONT realise that dvdfab6 WILL rip bluray??? and movie only

1415.6.2009 1:35

"lol this is just hilarious. so you can get charged for making a digital backup of something you already purchased and you wouldn't be able to do anything unless you purchased a new machine that was capable of doing it (per se)? obviously these people don't give a crap for fair use at all. the only thing they are doing is making it harder for the average person to make backups. these decisions are what drive piracy imo. why go through the hassle of making a backup at all that will be crippled with drm when you can download a drm free copy instead of being hassled to rip it yourself? the movie companies need to learn that you cannot stop the signal :P"

couldnt have said it better, I say rip off the bastards and make fecking copies

1515.6.2009 1:37

oh yea,but why dont they actually concentrate on making friggin decent movies first
the last 6 I got were so bad I threw em
taken, dark knight, yea both great, but good movies are now few and far between and not even worth a tenner

1615.6.2009 4:21

ok this may have been answered a long time ago, but.....
I have a bluray player. also have a stand alone dvd/rw.
Whats to stop me from taking the out put from the tv into the dvdr??
in thery it would work. any thoughts??? anybody tried??

1715.6.2009 8:05

lawndog, Nothing, but then it is a DVD not a blu-ray.

As usual, the media mafia closes the barn door after the horse left. They are almost laughable except that they have so much ill gotten money they can throw at 'the problem'.

1815.6.2009 12:04

I guess now they'll need to change the FBI warning. That will just be odd. "Copying the data on this disc more than once is illegal is punishable by up to 5 years in prison or a $250,000 fine."

Connect to a server to ask permission to make a copy? Wow...I can't even think of a group of people so out of touch and in their own bubble, aside from the North Korean Govt.

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1915.6.2009 13:09

Quote:
ok this may have been answered a long time ago, but.....
I have a bluray player. also have a stand alone dvd/rw.
Whats to stop me from taking the out put from the tv into the dvdr??
in thery it would work. any thoughts??? anybody tried??

Macrovision (analog copy protection)... It's been in use since VHS. The player adds a signal to the analog output. Then, the recorder detects the signal and messes-up the recording.

All VHS & DVD players & recorders are required to have the Macrovision circuits. Some "Video Capture Cards" (for computers) don't "play along". (My capture card doesn't have Macrovision, and I can record commercial VHS tapes... I've never actually tried making an analog copy of a DVD.) And, you might be able to find a box that strips-out the Macrovision signal. There used to be one called The Clarifier, but it seems to have been removed from the market.
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2015.6.2009 13:12

AAAHHHHHHHHH ok, thanks. thats ok, thats why we got anydvd ;)

2118.6.2009 9:47

Comming next year? I have Blu-ray 'Managed Copy' right now and I manage to copy BD's as much as I want. Discs can be a little expensive at $2.50 each for an ikjet printable disc but the quality is great and NO DRM!

I can even convert them to DVD-IFO if I like what a deal so why wait a year for DRM 1 copy crap?

This 'Managed Copy' crap isn't good no matter how you slice it as it moves towards limited copy rights instead of being free to protect and use you legal products.

2218.6.2009 14:25

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Comming next year? I have Blu-ray 'Managed Copy' right now and I manage to copy BD's as much as I want. Discs can be a little expensive at $2.50 each for an ikjet printable disc but the quality is great and NO DRM!

I can even convert them to DVD-IFO if I like what a deal so why wait a year for DRM 1 copy crap?

This 'Managed Copy' crap isn't good no matter how you slice it as it moves towards limited copy rights instead of being free to protect and use you legal products.
Correct. The media companies are so stupid with what they're offering and allowing. (Thank goodness that I subscribe to the AfterDawn weekly e-mail newsletter to keep up with this stuff.) I bought AnyDVD and DVDFab a long time ago, and I've updated both to copy Blu Ray movies once I get the $$ to update my PC/TV setup ($%# Recession!!) I don't need their restricted crap, and I don't want it.
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2318.6.2009 23:07

Man when will it stop. If the Movie Companies started selling good blank media they'd get what they think they lost. Let me put it this way, they'd make more money. Better yet if the Movie Stars handled the blank media they would want everyone to copy :]

2419.6.2009 15:07
alexeemo
Inactive

It never ceases to amaze me the crap these guys keep coming up with. Let me back up a bit..... I saw Dark Knight 4 times with my wife including IMAX. My local movie theaters are massive with full food courts. I spent another $25 on food besides the $17 for the movie. That's over $160 easy. Then I buy the BD disc at $25 I think. So what they are telling me is after I've invested in over $180 total just to watch and own just one of their movies, that they now want to limit me to one digital copy and pay for that too? WTF!!!! These guys are insane! That's why I have my custom built rig with multiple 1.5 terabyte drives, high def video card, and DVD Fab! I've spent enough already. These greedy retards are L U C K Y there are super movie buffs like me out there. I saw Star Trek 3 times in 4 days. I will see Transformers 2 and Potter at least 6 or 7 times between the two. If people like me didn't exist they would all be out of business! If you greedy SOB execs are listening......get with it soon! You are pissing off the very people that keep you in your mansions!

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2521.6.2009 12:11
vudoo
Inactive

You know I have the answer to all this Copy-Protection DRM and anti file sharing crap. I use to only talk about AEM but hear me out about another idea I have!! To have an internet Radio station "Legally" (chuckle) requires a Royalty License. It is a JPL (joint Performance License). Well what about a JPL for p2p. Think of each peer as a listener. You by running BT, Limewire, or anything else are a Broadcaster. The downloader would be like a listener. So if you were to set your Downloading slots to 10 and run your client 24/7 you would have to get a swcast basic tier license $13/Month. NOTE: this would be only if congress would allow this. I have a Radio station and pay Royalties (really I'm working with SWcast.net) and Yesterday I started paying my fees. p2p is in fact Webcasting. Try and paint it with any name you like, but if everyone had a swcast license for p2p (again if the law would allow) there would be no need for this copy protection crap in the first place. $13/mo for 10 listeners 24/7 is not bad and the same could go for p2p programs. When you buy a p2p program which they would have to change the laws and make utorrent, Limewire, any p2p program require a JPL/month to run. A paypal acct would suffice. I thought of this last night after I bought my JPL license to make my Internet station legal(still need SWcast's website to put my station on which their suppose to give me very soon). The second part of the law would be to make copy protection 100% illegal. That's right because all file sharers would be forced to have a JPL since they are all webcasters it pays all the damn royalties case closed and everyone can go one with life in a normal way. Until then I'll use AnyDvD, DvDFab, and any other software I need to crack/copy/convert my audio/video.

2621.6.2009 13:06

Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Ummmm what happens if while making said copy the copying process fails, hmmm me thinks they can stick their one copy up their jacksies while i stick with fab or sly copying software
I had the "RIGHT" and purchased the Special Edition "Rambo" so I could get the digital copy to my computer. Something went wrong and the transfer didn't take. Because I had already used the Security/Authorization code I couldn't try a second time to retrieve my digital copy. No amount of communication with either the studio or distributor got me any closer to a solution.

This idea works great in theory, but like the simple DVD answer they have now, the flaws are just going to migrate into 1080p. I have since refused to pay a premium price for DVDs that have a 'digital copy' included. Its nothing more than another waste of money and resources.

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