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Sony goes all out at GamesCom: Slim PS3, Firmware 3.0, price cuts, VOD, PSP Minis

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 18 Aug 2009 15:58 User comments (80)

Sony goes all out at GamesCom: Slim PS3, Firmware 3.0, price cuts, VOD, PSP Minis Today at their press conference during the GamesCom 2009 event, Sony has announced the long hyped Slim PS3, along with across the board price cuts on current models, a PlayStation Network update and the addition of Firmware 3.0.

Price Cuts



The price cuts are $100 USD on current models, including 160GB bundles and will be effective in North America as of tomorrow and already effective in the EU.

Firmware 3.0



Firmware upgrade 3.0, set for a September release, will include a lot of aesthetic changes to the XMB as well as the addition of "What’s New, Status Indicator, Friends List, PlayStation Store Shortcuts, Personalization and improved Trophies."

For more information on the upcoming firmware upgrade, watch the official Sony video on it:



Slim PS3



The real big news for the day however, was the launch of the oft-rumored Slim PlayStation 3. The new model will include a 120GB HDD and will launch on September 1st with a pricetag of $299 USD/ 299 EU/ £249 / 29,980 YEN.

The Slim will feature a 32 percent smaller and 36 percent lighter form factor and will also consume 34 percent less power. Notably, the Slim removes the otherOS ability (addition of Linux on partition) but adds Bravia Sync so users can control the PS3 via their Sony HDTV.






PSP News



Beginning October 1st, Sony will be launching PSP Minis, small games (100MB and under), that looks like direct competition to Apple and iPhone App Store. Sony says their will be 50 titles available by the end of the year.

Additionally, the PSP will get a "Digital Reader" by December, that will allow users to read comic books on their handheld from Marvel.
Pic via Gamespot:


Video on Demand



Finally, Sony announced the launch of a Video on Demand service for the PS3, which will allow gamers in France, Germany, Spain and the UK to download movies straight to their console or handheld.

The service will go live in November with content from 20th Century Fox, Disney-ABC-ESPN Television1, Lionsgate2, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. (MGM), Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Starz Media2, Universal2, and Warner Bros.

Some of the titles available at launch will be Angels and Demons; Bruno; The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe; Crank 2; The Dark Knight; Dead Space: Downfall; Gran Torino; Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix; National Treasure; Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl; Public Enemies; Star Trek; Terminator Salvation; Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen; Valkyrie; and X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

Renters have 14 days to watch the film, and 24 hours to complete watching the film once they have started it.

“PlayStation is becoming the home of entertainment from games to music channels, from creative platforms to virtual pets,” added Andrew House, President and CEO, SCEE. “The addition of the PlayStation Network video delivery service for PS3 and PSP provides a simple way for PlayStation owners to access movie content and enjoy the latest blockbuster whenever and wherever they choose.”

To make buying movies easier, Sony has also launched PSN voucher cards, in €20 and €50 denominations, making it easier for gamers without credit cards to enjoy the services.

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80 user comments

118.8.2009 16:48

Sounds good lets just hope there's no delays :D

218.8.2009 16:57

The new model will include a 120GB HDD and will launch on September 1st with a pricetag of $299 USD/ 299 EU/ £249 / 29,980 YEN.

So the 80GB large version will be $399, but the new slim version will be $100 cheaper? I was waiting for the price cut to buy a PS3 and I figured the slim version would be around $399-499, but $299? Is there a detailed list of specs for it yet? I have a funny feeling that more than just the ability to run linux has been removed.

318.8.2009 17:01

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Notably, the Slim removes the otherOS ability (addition of Linux on partition) but adds Bravia Sync so users can control the PS3 via their Sony HDTV.
Stupid move Sony the is hack motivation

418.8.2009 17:29

When it has modchips available..then I will purchase one.

518.8.2009 17:49

no mention of mkv playback in the firmware update :(

618.8.2009 18:23

No mention of Software PS2 Emulation either :(

718.8.2009 18:26

I just bought the ps3 maybe a month ago 80gb for 200 used. I'm rather ... at a loss for words at how I feel about the price point for the slim,

818.8.2009 18:47

Originally posted by 21Q:
I just bought the ps3 maybe a month ago 80gb for 200 used. I'm rather ... at a loss for words at how I feel about the price point for the slim,
Don;t feel down you got the better version!

918.8.2009 19:17
H08
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i wonder how many sales this will get once its released

1018.8.2009 19:21
H08
Inactive

Originally posted by sciascia:
The new model will include a 120GB HDD and will launch on September 1st with a pricetag of $299 USD/ 299 EU/ £249 / 29,980 YEN.

So the 80GB large version will be $399, but the new slim version will be $100 cheaper?
No the price of the Fat 80gb will be $300 and the fat 120gb will be $400 starting tommorrow. i wouldnt be suprised if you could find some for $250 or less if there still any when the slim is released

1118.8.2009 19:27
obla
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Can the PS3 still be hacked? Are there any modchips available for it to play backed-up games? I want to get a PS3, but if it can't get modded, then I'll have to buy an xbox 360, which can be modded.

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1218.8.2009 19:32

A lot of relatively useless features in the update, and premium avatars is a little over the top but I guess now that means its concrete that we'll never be able to use our own images if they're gonna start having ones you have to buy. At least they got rid of that stupid info bar though I'm not sure if what they replaced it with is any better. With the dynamic themes I wounder if they now have the functionality for gifs.

I'm curious about the ps3 slims specs, its cooling system, etc... Also the fact that they gave Linux the axe is stupid, the only reason not many people used it was the stupid restrictions they put in place combined with their lack of a customizable format option so you're not limited to 10gigs under Linux or the PS OS. Now that they're axing it I guess we're never gonna see the day of full linux functionality on the ps3, which tbh annoys me much more than them getting rid of ps2 bwc.

1318.8.2009 20:04

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Notably, the Slim removes the otherOS ability (addition of Linux on partition) but adds Bravia Sync so users can control the PS3 via their Sony HDTV.
Stupid move Sony the is hack motivation
Not to mention there were PS3-based Linux clusters being sold...taking that away will kill that market. It doesn't make sense either that the slim wouldn't have it because that's a FIRMWARE function, not hardware. Maybe they'll let people selling the PS3 Linux clusters have a special firmware to override this??? Will 3.0 kill it on older PS3s?

1418.8.2009 20:31

Maybe they got rid of the OpenOS because it left the PS3 too vulnerable? I think we just have to look a little harder...

Anyways, great to see a price drop and the slim, my friends are gonna be happy :P

1518.8.2009 20:57

I prefer my big and shiny PS3 :D, but I can't wait for the new Firmware to come in, it looks like an ok improvement.

1618.8.2009 21:18

So after firmware update 3.o we still wont be able to change the color of the font and style? Backward compatibility? VCD playback? The video just looks like a little big planet and god of war advertisement. Who the hell cares about lint being blown along with a horizontal whirlpool? And as for the slim ps3 which btw I'll be getting, I hope I'll somehow be able to transfer the old game save data to it so I dump the ps3 mini van for family use.

1718.8.2009 21:20

Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
Will 3.0 kill it on older PS3s?
VERY good question.

1818.8.2009 22:14

Originally posted by canuckerz:
Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
Will 3.0 kill it on older PS3s?
VERY good question.
Not that it's been particularly useful to most people, but totally removing the capability after having it for 3 years kinda sucks. I can see if some people messing with settings and not paying attention to warnings inadvertently losing everything on their HD due to reformatting it for OtherOS use and Sony wanting to make sure that doesn't happen to the clueless hordes out there. However, if something like that is the case, instead of removing it entirely, maybe make it a 'hidden' option that makes sure only people who know what they're doing can use it.

I also wonder what happens if you put a HD set up for this on an earlier PS3 into the new slim model??? Does it just ignore the OtherOS partition? Does it allow booting from the OtherOS partition??? Does it say the drive needs to be reformatted???

1918.8.2009 22:25

people love bitching about something or another dont they?

$100 price drop, still not happy.

who cares if they removed linux, ANYONE who wanted linux anyway, has a PC with it. im sure 99% of PS3 owners couldnt give a damn, i sure as hell dont, i installed ubuntu once and forgot about it.

half the thickness with the slim :), but shame about the small reduce in hieght being made up by a wider platform, though its still smaller and NO EXTERNAL POWER BRICK!, which is pretty impressive.

also the 120GB HDD is removeable aswell which is FTW :)

the only reason for people to realistically choose one or the other is they can find the older one with games for the same price, or they prefer the 80GBs looks (which IMO i <3 shineyness)

2018.8.2009 22:33

I highly doubt they'll be removing it from the older PS3s. I'm thinking that it'll be similar to the situation with newer PSPs. When the slim came out after the fat PSP, it couldn't play homebrew based on the 1.50FW because it never had it, but with these new PSPs out and newer FW updates (3.71FW I think was the first slim FW) the fat ones could still play, they never lost it regardless.

2118.8.2009 23:26

299 PS3

Now i have a choice pic one up now for 299 or wait for the slim

2219.8.2009 0:05

Quote:
Originally posted by canuckerz:
Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
Will 3.0 kill it on older PS3s?
VERY good question.
Not that it's been particularly useful to most people, but totally removing the capability after having it for 3 years kinda sucks. I can see if some people messing with settings and not paying attention to warnings inadvertently losing everything on their HD due to reformatting it for OtherOS use and Sony wanting to make sure that doesn't happen to the clueless hordes out there. However, if something like that is the case, instead of removing it entirely, maybe make it a 'hidden' option that makes sure only people who know what they're doing can use it.
Linux on the ps3 could have been great if sony let us access more of the ps3's potential, not necessarily all of it but certainly more than we had. Now like I said that its given the axe that's not going to happen as I doubt they'd bother as now the ps3 phats are no longer produced.

2319.8.2009 0:45

Hmmm...$299 would be a great price if it could run linux...making it a very affordable PC that also plays the latest games. Personaly, I don't use linux on mine much since Netflix moved to silverlight...but this is enough to keep me from wanting a slim unit (even if it was an even trade).

Still, I think this is great news. This will lead to modchips and homebrew software...it's about time sony forced the hand of some very tallented programmers. Linux ends up on just about any device with the theoretical capability to run an operating system...it will end up on the PS3slim even if sony does not like it.

2419.8.2009 1:05

Originally posted by Morreale:
I highly doubt they'll be removing it from the older PS3s. I'm thinking that it'll be similar to the situation with newer PSPs. When the slim came out after the fat PSP, it couldn't play homebrew based on the 1.50FW because it never had it, but with these new PSPs out and newer FW updates (3.71FW I think was the first slim FW) the fat ones could still play, they never lost it regardless.

They answered it...OtherOS will still work with newer firmware releases on older PS3s, but I guess the firmware will just disable the option on the Slim PS3 models. I still wonder if they're going to make any special arrangements for people selling/building PS3 Linux clusters, though.

2519.8.2009 1:14

Originally posted by shaffaaf:
who cares if they removed linux, ANYONE who wanted linux anyway, has a PC with it. im sure 99% of PS3 owners couldnt give a damn, i sure as hell dont, i installed ubuntu once and forgot about it.

There are thousands of PS3s out there being used as Linux server clusters by scientists as a cheaper alternative to buying far more expensive supercomputers. This is the main issue w/ them dropping the ability to do so. Anyone who was making money by building/selling/supporting these clusters is now gonna be f-ed (unless they end up getting some option from Sony not available to the general public.

Doing it on your own on a single PS3 at home to mess around is just a geeky thing to do and play around with (though you can rip BDs with it if you don't have a BD drive on your computer!).

2619.8.2009 3:04
pphoenix
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Price Cuts are always welcomed but with the gaming publishers telling to drop the price, or face the possibility of the ps3 being excluded from some future game releases did they have any choice?

Firmware 3.0 it's all a bit lol, the friends list is handy maybe a tie in to windows live messenger would be better.

Slim PS3 is it keeping the full functionality & hardware of the larger model?

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Notably, the Slim removes the otherOS ability (addition of Linux on partition) but adds Bravia Sync so users can control the PS3 via their Sony HDTV.
Stupid move Sony the is hack motivation
it's called "lets see how we can make anyone that purchases anything sony, only purchase sony".

Remember the SD card that most camera companies used, then sony had the memory stick duo at around three times the cost of the SD for the same size.

propertarian lock-ins = monopolies.

2719.8.2009 6:31

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Price Cuts are always welcomed but with the gaming publishers telling to drop the price, or face the possibility of the ps3 being excluded from some future game releases did they have any choice?

Firmware 3.0 it's all a bit lol, the friends list is handy maybe a tie in to windows live messenger would be better.

Slim PS3 is it keeping the full functionality & hardware of the larger model?

Quote:
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Notably, the Slim removes the otherOS ability (addition of Linux on partition) but adds Bravia Sync so users can control the PS3 via their Sony HDTV.
Stupid move Sony the is hack motivation
it's called "lets see how we can make anyone that purchases anything sony, only purchase sony".

Remember the SD card that most camera companies used, then sony had the memory stick duo at around three times the cost of the SD for the same size.

propertarian lock-ins = monopolies.

Actually, this generation, Sony has been very open-ended:
- You can put any HDD of any brand in your PS3 that you want
- You can use any sort of memory card on the 60GB: SD, MMCards, etc
- You can connect any headset you want from any brand, provided is works on Bluetooth
- You can connect various USB-devices and they will work

Now compare that to the Xbox360 which only accepts propritary HDD's, Memory cards and headsets. This has frustrated me to no end. I could put a Western Digital HDD of 320GB in my PS3, but for my 360 I'm stuck with the (overpriced) HDD's sold only by Microsoft.

It's true that in the past, Sony has been very proprietary as well, especially with notebooks and cameras that only accepted Memory Sticks. But the PS3 is just the opposite: it's the most open-ended console I've ever bought in my life.
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2819.8.2009 6:36

Originally posted by oneguy:
So after firmware update 3.o we still wont be able to change the color of the font and style? Backward compatibility? VCD playback? The video just looks like a little big planet and god of war advertisement. Who the hell cares about lint being blown along with a horizontal whirlpool? And as for the slim ps3 which btw I'll be getting, I hope I'll somehow be able to transfer the old game save data to it so I dump the ps3 mini van for family use.
Oh no you can't change the colour of the font or style! How will you ever survive!
And firmware can't make backward compatibility possible. Pretty sure it is hardware.

2919.8.2009 6:53
chris4160
Inactive

I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 28 Aug 2009 @ 21:58

3019.8.2009 8:20

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You can put a western digital hard drive into an xbox 360 and they work fine. PS3 is the most proprietary console of the next gen... both xbox and wii's can be hacked to play backups.
Perhaps, but it certainly isn't advertised as such. The PS3 has a step-by-step guide on how to put a different HDD form any brand in. I'm not tech-savvy so I wouldn't know how to get started on opening and inserting a different brand of HDD in my 360's HDD casing.

Look, if you want to play the 360-fanboy that's your choice and I certainly won't try to convince you to buy this or that console. But your remark about the PS3 being proprietary is plain out wrong! For once we have a console that is the most open-ended any console has ever been, and still fanboys like you feel the need to twist it around.

The facts are there: PS3 works with any HDD and peripheral that matches the necessary specs (2.5" HDD, Bluetooth devices, etc) and the 360 doesn't, or at least isn't advertised as such. The reason is simple: MS earns good money on overpriced peripherals. I paid nearly 10.000 Yen for my 360 HDD which is a pretty steep price.

Hacking has nothing, but then again nothing to do with being open-ended. Blocking hacks is necessary because otherwise too many gamers would just pirate games instead of buying them.

PS3 accepts any brand's HDD, bluetooth device, memory card (SD, Memory Stick, MM) and USB compatible device and you still try to uphold it's the most closed system of this generation? I'm at a loss for words ...

This is exactly why I don't like discussing pros and cons of consoles. No matter what console I talk about and whether it's positive or negative points, the fanboys always jump all over it. It's just so hard to have a logic discussion with fanboys who go "360 sucks!" or "PS3 sucks!" Just acknowledge the facts instead of trying to spin it until it fits in your fanboyish views.


Back on topic. I don't think I'll switch my 60GB launch PS3 for a slim model but I think it's nice people have the choice and the price drops for future buyers.

I also would have liked .mkv support but it seems we'll have to wait little bit longer. Since the PS3 is a DivX certified machine and Divx official adopts .mkv, I would except .mkv support to be added further down the line ... the sooner the better so I won't have to keep converting my .mkv's to .mp4's.
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3119.8.2009 9:14

Aw what the hell is up with the plastic finish on the slim. I'm willing to lean more towards the shiny one but that's too bad no word on backwards compatability. I'm sure if people wait long enough they can get the slim in a different finish like the MGS4 ps3.

3219.8.2009 12:31

The only time that I see my PS3 is when i'm putting a disk in it. Dont realy care what it looks like. Guess some people must mount the PS3 on the front/center of their TV Screen.

3319.8.2009 12:31

Originally posted by TBandit:
Aw what the hell is up with the plastic finish on the slim. I'm willing to lean more towards the shiny one but that's too bad no word on backwards compatability. I'm sure if people wait long enough they can get the slim in a different finish like the MGS4 ps3.
It's cheaper :P

3419.8.2009 12:46
H08
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Quote:
You can put a western digital hard drive into an xbox 360 and they work fine. PS3 is the most proprietary console of the next gen... both xbox and wii's can be hacked to play backups.


How is the PS3 the most propietary console? MS makes you buy there hardrives if you ever want more than a few a megabytes on there system. While PS3 uses 2.5in SATA Hardrive. And How does modding your console make them not propietary?

3519.8.2009 13:39

I remember folks griping about the old one being Glossy and dust showing up on it. Cant please everyone.

3619.8.2009 18:49

I'm so sick of people putting down the importance of the OtherOS because Sony decided to drop it. "Pfft, why not just run Linux on a PC!?" That defeats the entire purpose! That feeling of satisfaction you get when you have it all set up, get some emulators on it, and play some Zelda and Mario on a Sony console. Or, God forbid, get some use out of it away from gaming. I can't tell you how much my productivity on school assignments went up when I could just sit on my couch with a wireless keyboard and type a paper out without sitting at a computer desk or having a laptop on my lap.
Any idiot can get Linux and emulators on a PC, that's not nearly as rewarding, I've been doing it for ten years!


And, yes, the price drop will help sales, the PS3 needed that... But, honestly, I'd rather pony up the extra hundred for an old 60GB with full PS2 BC and OtherOS. The Slim PS3 is one hundred dollars cheaper because it's just not worth as much as the good version of the console.

3719.8.2009 19:16
chris4160
Inactive

I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.

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3819.8.2009 19:28

lol you call piracy on a console "open" haha

also that is the reaosn the DC (which IMO is probably the best console ever) lost it all.

3919.8.2009 19:34
chris4160
Inactive

I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.

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4019.8.2009 20:56

Quote:
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
lol you call piracy on a console "open" haha

also that is the reaosn the DC (which IMO is probably the best console ever) lost it all.
No, I call the companies knowing there is a vulnerability in the system that is being exploited and not doing anything about it "open" (like the wii and the bootloaders).

And backup games are not piracy, it is a legal right (in most countries) to make backups of your original games.
Sure, you can back up them up "legally," but it is ILLEGAL to modify the console to play the backups.

4120.8.2009 1:26

Originally posted by chris4160:
No, I call the companies knowing there is a vulnerability in the system that is being exploited and not doing anything about it "open" (like the wii and the bootloaders).

And backup games are not piracy, it is a legal right (in most countries) to make backups of your original games.
Keep burying your head in the sand :|

On a serious note, Sony should REALLY reconsider adding Other OS support. I don't see it being a hardware side lock, so maybe a future update should open the Other OS feature up again. This reminds me of the PS2 slimline, when they removed the HDD slot for good (V13+).

My brother and four friends are finally getting the PS3 though, so it should be a good year :)


4220.8.2009 1:50

DVDBack23/rvinkebob

Depends on the country modding is not illegal EVERYWHERE.

Now when it comes to updating vulnerabilities well...sony had nearly a couple dozen PS2 revisions.

Hell they can reduce cost and change the pinout around some to screw up the chips just making modchips and copying illegal(face it its all illegal in the US these days and soon copying a bit of script and lyrics will be the same as posting a clip or image, can you say DMCA take down up the ass).

there is a point when IP owners can not cry foul of the natural nature of a fcking open society....


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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4320.8.2009 2:41

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
DVDBack23/rvinkebob

Depends on the country modding is not illegal EVERYWHERE.
Zip you know as well as I that it is illegal in US, EU and Australia. If we want to move to Asia we should be OK tho :P

4420.8.2009 3:10

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PS3 is by far not "the most open-ended any console has ever been". The original xbox could run 3rd party dashboards ffs, the dreamcast could play burnt games with no modifications. I was not being a "fanboy" in my previous comments, I was stating the facts which you're to belligerent to understand.
Well, in all honesty, first you said that the PS3 is the most proprietary console this generation, but I see you are shifting to previous generation just to 'prove' your point.

As for the two consoles you've mentioned:
- Xbox: I never had one so I can't comment on that. So I'll concede there may have been one console in the past that was less proprietary than the PS3
- Dreamcast: again you are mixing illigal bootlegging with open-endedness of a console. The Dreamcast could easily play back-up games because Sega failed to implement decent security (they thought they were safe with their new hybrid discs). I'll also note that this is exactly what caused the downfall of the Dreamcast: everyone was playing pirated games and only a handful of owners actually still bought discs.

There's also a big difference between purposely making a console open-ended, like the PS3 and realizing later down the line: "oh crap, they cracked our security". The PS3 is open-ended from the get-go and that was a business decision, not a result from poor anti-piracy protection.

Why are you so fervent on finding poor excuses to call the PS3 proprietary when it clearly is not? Does the fanboy-itch really need to be scratched that hard?

[RANT]
I'll also add that piracy on consoles is a BAD thing. I know a small percentage of gamers actually wants to make safety backups of their games, but let's call a cow a cow, shall we? The vast majority of gamers that are whining because they can't play bootlegs on the PS3 are gamers that don't want to buy their games but pirate them instead. It's that exact kind of attitude that ruins the market and I have no respect for such people. You can't pirate games for free? Tough titty, you'll just have to buy them like the rest of us![/RANT]

At any rate, people with no bias will immediately recognize that the PS3 is the single most open-ended console this generation and one of the most open consoles ever. All the rest is irrational Sony-haters blowing smoke.

4520.8.2009 4:28
chris4160
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I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.

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4620.8.2009 7:39

LOL becuase xbox doesnt haev ANY exclusives at all do they?




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4720.8.2009 9:45

Originally posted by chris4160:
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Well, in all honesty, first you said that the PS3 is the most proprietary console this generation, but I see you are shifting to previous generation just to 'prove' your point.
Can you not realise that i was replying to "For once we have a console that is the most open-ended any console has ever been"?

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A proprietor or owner; one who has exclusive title to a thing; one who possesses, or holds the title to, a thing in his own right
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protected by trademark or patent or copyright; made or produced or distributed by one having exclusive rights
Sony has exclusive rights to the games that are allowed on the ps3. Ps3 cannot play third party games (=monopolising), whereas the both xbox 360 and wii can play third party games.

And for the record, I am not an xbox 360 fanboy. I own all the next gen consoles and i have determined which one I prefer. If anybody is a fanboy in this thread it is the people getting angry over my first comment.

If the below list denotes the PS3 as "the most proprietary Next Gen system" then I sure as hell learned something new today ~ /sarcasm

Having a Hard Drive in EVERY console ~ STANDARD
Blu-ray for gaming and entertainment ~ STANDARD
Rechargeable Wireless Controllers ~ STANDARD
The use of USB Peripherals ~ STANDARD
The use of Bluetooth peripherals ~ STANDARD
WiFi ~ STANDARD
Multi-player access for FREE ~ STANDARD
Web Browser ~ STANDARD
Handheld gaming device (PSP) connectivity ~ STANDARD
Backwards compatibility (for early purchasers) ~ STANDARD
Linux capabilities (for early purchasers) ~ STANDARD
HDMI from day 1 ~ STANDARD
Video rental service WITHOUT paying additional via Netflix ~ STANDARD

You know looking back over that list I have to say, FFS that's A LOT OF $#@! and sure looks pretty damned flexible to me~ (Oh and if I forgot anything please feel free to add to it ;P)

And as far as that little bold red highlight, if you actually think that then...well...oh never mind...
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4820.8.2009 14:05

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Originally posted by chris4160:
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Well, in all honesty, first you said that the PS3 is the most proprietary console this generation, but I see you are shifting to previous generation just to 'prove' your point.
Can you not realise that i was replying to "For once we have a console that is the most open-ended any console has ever been"?

Quote:
A proprietor or owner; one who has exclusive title to a thing; one who possesses, or holds the title to, a thing in his own right
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protected by trademark or patent or copyright; made or produced or distributed by one having exclusive rights
Sony has exclusive rights to the games that are allowed on the ps3. Ps3 cannot play third party games (=monopolising), whereas the both xbox 360 and wii can play third party games.

And for the record, I am not an xbox 360 fanboy. I own all the next gen consoles and i have determined which one I prefer. If anybody is a fanboy in this thread it is the people getting angry over my first comment.

If the below list denotes the PS3 as "the most proprietary Next Gen system" then I sure as hell learned something new today ~ /sarcasm

Having a Hard Drive in EVERY console ~ STANDARD
Blu-ray for gaming and entertainment ~ STANDARD
Rechargeable Wireless Controllers ~ STANDARD
The use of USB Peripherals ~ STANDARD
The use of Bluetooth peripherals ~ STANDARD
WiFi ~ STANDARD
Multi-player access for FREE ~ STANDARD
Web Browser ~ STANDARD
Handheld gaming device (PSP) connectivity ~ STANDARD
Backwards compatibility (for early purchasers) ~ STANDARD
Linux capabilities (for early purchasers) ~ STANDARD
HDMI from day 1 ~ STANDARD
Video rental service WITHOUT paying additional via Netflix ~ STANDARD

You know looking back over that list I have to say, FFS that's A LOT OF $#@! and sure looks pretty damned flexible to me~ (Oh and if I forgot anything please feel free to add to it ;P)

And as far as that little bold red highlight, if you actually think that then...well...oh never mind...
NOTHING in your reply answers or contests 3rd party software so your argument is hollow, WiFi and so on has nothing to do with other vendors being able to create and sell software for the PS3! So his argument to 3rd party software support stands!

Now as to the Wii they are trying to prevent further hacking on their consoles with firmware updates and have stopped some of the hacking but there still are more capabilities being added for the console like using a USB HDD again provided your firmware isn't up to date.
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4920.8.2009 15:04

You should go back over and re-read exactly what he said about 3rd party before you say anymore...you know what nevermind, it's like the blind leading the blind in here ~

Gamasutra article from 2008 ~ PS3, Xbox 360, Wii First/Third Party Game Attach Rate Exposed

PlayStation artlice from the other day and a quote from it ~ Entertainment on PS3 has a new look

Quote:
Since the launch of PS3 in November 2006, the number of disc titles has reached more than 1,000, and downloadable PS3 games to 1,400 titles worldwide, with the support from a broad range of third party game developers and publishers.

I could go on but the shear fact I even HAD TO post links to prove the PS3 CAN PLAY 3rd party games (remember Chris stated "Ps3 cannot play third party games") is UTTERLY astonishing!

Please try to keep up with well known easily verifiable facts people...
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5020.8.2009 15:31

I'm not a PS3 fanboy and will not be, so I wasn't sure they even had 3rd party software vendors. Normally Sony is mostly proprietary. I do get a kick out of the statistical sales hog wash which doesn't tell us who allows more 3rd party vendors between the 3 major consoles it really is only about sales! PS3 could have only one 3rd party vendor and in fact the vendor could be a sister company, so as usual these statistics don't really mean much other then possibly proving that Sony does allow other software vendors to build on their system.

I personally won't buy anything Sony makes except for TV's because they limit me with their crap. I have too many friends with expensive Sony DVD players that won't play certain DVDR's or MP3's and so on. I bought one of their expensive Blu-Ray players and it won't play MP3's, Divx, or WMA's, if I would of bought a player from someone else for half the cost I would have these capabilities.

For a mod you sure can be rude can't you, but I’m not surprised.

5120.8.2009 15:40

Well when you deal with rude people on a daily basis who spout misinformation only to get pissed at you for correcting them all the time what do you think a person is not human or something?

What I find most amusing is how people try to avert the support of misinformation one minute to only post some other comment that has no relevance to what was originally being discussed to cover up the fact they didn't know WTF they were talking about to begin with!...

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5220.8.2009 15:42

LOL HOW CAN ANYONE not know that sony have 3rd part games..... ever heard of multiplatform games? any gamer on the planet knows, unless your such a fanboy of another console and only belive that games only exist for that console...

5320.8.2009 15:47

These prices cuts..are we to assume the UK market will see them? Somehow I doubt it, I think we'll continue the tradition of higher prices, despite the low wage economy..

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5420.8.2009 15:49




It's what this site's about lol ;)

5520.8.2009 15:53

Hey Morreale ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/793873/4808408

LoL!


Originally posted by Wild9:
These prices cuts..are we to assume the UK market will see them? Somehow I doubt it, I think we'll continue the tradition of higher prices, despite the low wage economy..
The PS3 Slim with a 120 GB Harddrive is $299 US, 299 EU (£249 for the UK) & 29,980 YEN and will be available September 1st 2009 worldwide. So there is a price cut everywhere.
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5620.8.2009 16:36

Originally posted by Wild9:
These prices cuts..are we to assume the UK market will see them? Somehow I doubt it, I think we'll continue the tradition of higher prices, despite the low wage economy..
it shoudl be about £200 inc VAT, but its £250, eventhough we have has the PS3 at £280 for a long while. WOW a £30 price drop.... woohooo

5721.8.2009 3:08

Quote:
You should go back over and re-read exactly what he said about 3rd party before you say anymore...you know what nevermind, it's like the blind leading the blind in here ~

Gamasutra article from 2008 ~ PS3, Xbox 360, Wii First/Third Party Game Attach Rate Exposed

PlayStation artlice from the other day and a quote from it ~ Entertainment on PS3 has a new look

Quote:
Since the launch of PS3 in November 2006, the number of disc titles has reached more than 1,000, and downloadable PS3 games to 1,400 titles worldwide, with the support from a broad range of third party game developers and publishers.

I could go on but the shear fact I even HAD TO post links to prove the PS3 CAN PLAY 3rd party games (remember Chris stated "Ps3 cannot play third party games") is UTTERLY astonishing!

Please try to keep up with well known easily verifiable facts people...
Thank you for posting this. It's sad to see users grasping at straws to try and deny obvious facts.

5821.8.2009 4:16
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I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.

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5921.8.2009 8:08

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Yes, because i really meant third party games as in third party publishers. Wtf is up with the ps3 fanboys and using comments out of context, every time I post in a ad news in a gaming related discussion a horde of ps3 fanboys twist what I posted. When i said third party games i meant backed up games... sony still owns the rights to the multiplatform "third party games".

... What!?

Newsflash, buddy, no company "Let's you" play your definition of "Third Party" games. Microsoft bans you from Xbox Live, Nintendo is still playing firmware vulnerability tug-of-war, and no one has yet found a way to boot burned PS3 games, let alone burn PS3 games.

You used to be able to play some games made for Linux, but Sony being the brilliant people they are, removed support for it in the Slim.

And Sega didn't, either, later models of the Dreamcast couldn't play just any disc... The protection has been cracked since then, of course.

Quote:
Quote:
It's sad to see users grasping at straws
That is exactly what oner is doing, he cannot think of a proper response so turns parts of my post into an innuendo.

Who could think of a proper response? Your terminology and logic are from another freaking dimension!

Into an innuendo?

Quote:
Originally posted by Shaffaaf:
LOL becuase xbox doesnt haev ANY exclusives at all do they?
Well they do have some, but most have been stolen... sorry my mistake "borrowed" by the playstation 3.

Neither of you have any idea what you're talking about.

Quote:
If anybody here is the one in the picture it is you, i took correction from the link that you so kindly provided:

Originally posted by Oner:
Don't you mean 3 year? 0_o LoL! But you are right in your point though.


God help us all...
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6021.8.2009 10:19

lol the xbox bought ALOT of the PS3 exclusives, ie FF, tekken etc etc

6121.8.2009 10:20

Hold up Chris4160...Let me get this straight? You make a comment which is ABSOLUTELY false and I correct your misinformation (with proof mind you) only for you to call me a fanboy (big no no around here to call ANYONE that), claim I am "turning parts of your post into innuendo", and cannot admit you where mistaken when all you had to do was simply apologize?

Amazing. I have one simple Yes or No question to ask you Chris. Okay?

Did you or did you not say that the PS3 cannot play third party games?

Yes or No

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6223.8.2009 16:51

<yawn> ZZZzzzzz....

6324.8.2009 5:43
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Originally posted by Morreale:



It's what this site's about lol ;)
lmfao.

6424.8.2009 8:21

Went away to Disney for the whole weekend ~ Friday night until late last night ~ and not a single reply admitting anything...just like I thought.


6525.8.2009 21:11
chris4160
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Originally posted by Oner:
Hold up Chris4160...Let me get this straight? You make a comment which is ABSOLUTELY false and I correct your misinformation (with proof mind you) only for you to call me a fanboy (big no no around here to call ANYONE that), claim I am "turning parts of your post into innuendo", and cannot admit you where mistaken when all you had to do was simply apologize?

Amazing. I have one simple Yes or No question to ask you Chris. Okay?

Did you or did you not say that the PS3 cannot play third party games?

Yes or No
Grasping at staws Oner, grasping at straws. Look at the sales for PS3 and Xbox 360.

Obviously you are to belligerent to look at the broader picture. Period.

Btw sorry for the late response, but I have a job and a fiancée, ad isn't my entire life.
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6625.8.2009 21:25

You want numbers okay here ya go ~ The Myth of Slow PS3 sales


Edit: Oh and BTW I still don't see an answer to the question....as expected.

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6725.8.2009 21:41
chris4160
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Originally posted by Oner:
You want numbers okay here ya go ~ The Myth of Slow PS3 sales


Edit: Oh and BTW I still don't see an answer to the question....as expected.

So what if ps3 was released a year later, sony had a year longer than ms to create their console. If ms had 1 more year there probably would have never been rrod, hence swamping ps3 sales. if the ps3 is really as good as you say it is, 1 year would not of mattered.

Btw from what I read SMG is a load of bs... they gave fallout 3 and GTA IV a better score than Left 4 Dead ffs.

Oh, and what is the point in answering your inane rhetorical questions, you and I both know you are twisting the truth.

6825.8.2009 21:43

Originally posted by chris4160:
Originally posted by Oner:
You want numbers okay here ya go ~ The Myth of Slow PS3 sales


Edit: Oh and BTW I still don't see an answer to the question....as expected.

So what if ps3 was released a year later, sony had a year longer than ms to create their console. If ms had 1 more year there probably would have never been rrod, hence swamping ps3 sales. if the ps3 is really as good as you say it is, 1 year would not of mattered.

Btw from what I read SMG is a load of bs... they gave fallout 3 and GTA IV a better score than Left 4 Dead ffs.

Oh, and what is the point in answering your inane rhetorical questions, you and I both know you are twisting the truth.

Wow and I thought I was a nit picker.....

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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6925.8.2009 21:47
chris4160
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I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.

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7025.8.2009 21:51

lol i wonder how many xbox sales were due to the RROD with second consoles, or people getting banned from live?

also game rating are opinion, not fact. and differnt journalists give different opinions.

he is hardly twisting the truth.

were you not the one to say the PS3 doesnt have 3rd part games?




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7125.8.2009 21:56
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7225.8.2009 22:14

Originally posted by chris4160:
Also a sale is a sale. In that 24 million ps3 units sold they did not deduct the regrettable ones, such as my purchase.
So let me get this straight... Microsoft doesn't have to deduct the RROD replacements but Sony has to magically know that you regrettably purchased their system and deduct that from their total number of sales? Or are you slandering denial, again?


7325.8.2009 22:16

Originally posted by chris4160:
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
lol i wonder how many xbox sales were due to the RROD with second consoles, or people getting banned from live?

also game rating are opinion, not fact. and differnt journalists give different opinions.

he is hardly twisting the truth.

were you not the one to say the PS3 doesnt have 3rd part games?
Umm no, I never said ps3 doesn't have 3rd party games in respects to 3rd party publishers. I said that it could not play 3rd party games as in backed up games. Hence my comment about Oner twisting the truth, as he knew what I meant but could not think of a proper response, so he twists the truth to suit himself.

Also a sale is a sale. In that 24 million ps3 units sold they did not deduct the regrettable ones, such as my purchase.
This is true but you have many more dissatisfied WII and 360 owners since they have higher numbers and all.

Also the PS3 would be toast if it had not out sold the 360 game wise every few months, so at the end of the day its doing well, it could have done alot better as could have the easy brake oven if it did not cook itself to death..


PS:you are doing a fair amount of twisting just cause you can;t let someone be right on the internet.... oh sorry I am nit picking again :X

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7425.8.2009 22:27
chris4160
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I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.

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7525.8.2009 22:31

Originally posted by chris4160:
Originally posted by rvinkebob:
Originally posted by chris4160:
Also a sale is a sale. In that 24 million ps3 units sold they did not deduct the regrettable ones, such as my purchase.
So let me get this straight... Microsoft doesn't have to deduct the RROD replacements but Sony has to magically know that you regrettably purchased their system and deduct that from their total number of sales? Or are you slandering denial, again?
Wow, I never said that sony had to, or ms didn't. I was using it as an example, I don't know how you couldn't of figured that out by yourself.

@ Zippy like I said if ms released the xbox 360 at the same time as the ps3 there would probably be a lower failure rate than ps3 and more features (hdmi input etc). Btw I can let Oner be right, I'm just waiting for him to post something right.
I doubt lower, looking at the issues with the mobos and drive units they are skimping on to much and packing to much into them to make them with ultra low fail rates like the WII.

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7625.8.2009 23:07
chris4160
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I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.

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7725.8.2009 23:13

Originally posted by chris4160:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by chris4160:
Originally posted by rvinkebob:
Originally posted by chris4160:
Also a sale is a sale. In that 24 million ps3 units sold they did not deduct the regrettable ones, such as my purchase.
So let me get this straight... Microsoft doesn't have to deduct the RROD replacements but Sony has to magically know that you regrettably purchased their system and deduct that from their total number of sales? Or are you slandering denial, again?
Wow, I never said that sony had to, or ms didn't. I was using it as an example, I don't know how you couldn't of figured that out by yourself.

@ Zippy like I said if ms released the xbox 360 at the same time as the ps3 there would probably be a lower failure rate than ps3 and more features (hdmi input etc). Btw I can let Oner be right, I'm just waiting for him to post something right.
I doubt lower, looking at the issues with the mobos and drive units they are skimping on to much and packing to much into them to make them with ultra low fail rates like the WII.
Jasper's are well below 10% failure rates though.

More like 15% but whatever.

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7825.8.2009 23:24

so what were the fail rates of the xbox a year after it came out? and when did hdmi appear?

it snot sony's fault MS rushed a console, its MS fault, for market share.




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7925.8.2009 23:34

Originally posted by shaffaaf:
so what were the fail rates of the xbox a year after it came out? and when did hdmi appear?

it snot sony's fault MS rushed a console, its MS fault, for market share.
Frankly they could have easily worked it out of the 360 with the first revision but they didn't, they wanted to shovel it off on consumers to the point they had no other choice but to do something...

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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8026.8.2009 10:08

Originally posted by chris4160:
Btw I can let Oner be right, I'm just waiting for him to post something that is right.
Actually I don't even have to post a reply to that as other members have already defended me and shown you cannot admit you were wrong in the many things you say. But whatever, everything is here in black and white for all to see and clearly verify for themselves. I really don't have to do anything more than just say to them re-read who said what.


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