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Piracy is 'endless battle' but Nintendo will continue fight

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 06 Nov 2009 12:37 User comments (24)

Piracy is 'endless battle' but Nintendo will continue fight Nintendo boss Satoru Iwata had a few words about piracy on his company's platforms recently, and noted that piracy is an "endless battle" but that the company will continue to fight it for the benefit of not only the software developers but also consumers.
"I recognise there is more software piracy, playing downloaded software data without purchase, than some years ago on many of the current platforms, including Nintendo DS," said Iwata, via GI.biz.

Iwata says that piracy has become more rampant in Europe than in the United States, specifically because many nations there do not have any piracy regulation.

Nintendo will continue to use legal measures, as well as firmware and hardware updates, to combat piracy, but did allude to the fight as a cat-and-mouse chase.

"As the piracy itself is underground, someone somewhere finds out the solution to evade our measures. When we shut one hole of the mice, they have dug a new one somewhere else. We have acknowledged that this is an endless battle and we believe the best measure is to keep fighting it technologically and legally,"
he concluded.

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24 user comments

16.11.2009 12:44

i know peole who have chosen xbox over ps3 becuase they can pirate games and people get the hand helds because they can also play pirated games...do you think these people whould buy even 1/10th of the games they play that they pirate?

26.11.2009 12:56

your Money Nintendo you can blow it anyway you want. you wont defeat piracy.

36.11.2009 13:04

I miss the days when it was only a few that figured out to get games and software for free. When not anybody and everybody could get everything 10 minutes after it is pirated. When you had to spend time and work a little to find a copy of something on a Warez site and hope the link wasn't broken or a hidden link to a sex site. The problem is it has become to easy for anybody to get whatever they want whenever they want it. Granny needs a copy of Windows 7? Hook her up with a torrent and all is well. P2P and Torrents have ruined pretty much everything. When it was more "underground" it wasn't as big a deal because only a few were getting stuff for free. Don't get me wrong.... I like the easy road as much as anybody else but it is what is forcing the company to make these kinds of stands.

46.11.2009 13:39

in the good old days of piracy the select few pirated games modded playstations and sold pirate cds making themselves quite wealthy, now everybody gets em 4 free beacuse the internet gives power and accessiblity to everyone to break the law as they deem fit to, piracy is not just restricted to games, every type of media based deritive is under attack from piracy

56.11.2009 15:08

since nintendo has tons of money from licensing shovel-ware and making low quality games with graphics from like 2000. its no wonder they can use all the money they make using 2 generations old hardware to attack people that pirate their easily hackable games.

go nintendo! make those pirates pay. maybe when you (nintendo) make a system as powerful as say an Xbox or PS3, (while Xbox and PS4 will be out by then) hackers/pirates might not be so eager to mess with ur next edition of Mario/Zelda/Pokemon games

66.11.2009 16:36

^^^i second that.

If they want to fight piracy lower the damn prices.
I have more or less 30 PS3 games and i only paid for two 70euros, the rest i bought them in a price from 10 to 30 just by waiting few months. I just refuse to pay anymore 70's.

@djeazyg
i agree with you but it is not just the p2p etc that made it more easy. The old days was more difficult but there ware another facts
1st the internet speeds, it took you years to download anything with dial-up connections.
2nd The internet wasn't in any house like now.
3rd the recorders and the media was too expensive and not trust worthy.
I remember burning cd and holding my breath, you couldent even move the mouse.
note* the Funny side
The link to a porn site for some reason was never broken,
i remember hitting alt+f4 to close pop-ups like i was playing space invanders lol.
zillions of pop-ups, dialers .... what an era.

@phate316
Totally agree, many people made a fortune by selling/modding games/consoles.
Especially at the end of the 90's, the golden age of PSX and after with PS2 and XBox.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 06 Nov 2009 @ 16:38

76.11.2009 17:25

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
^^^i second that.

If they want to fight piracy lower the damn prices.
I have more or less 30 PS3 games and i only paid for two 70euros, the rest i bought them in a price from 10 to 30 just by waiting few months. I just refuse to pay anymore 70's.

@djeazyg
i agree with you but it is not just the p2p etc that made it more easy. The old days was more difficult but there ware another facts
1st the internet speeds, it took you years to download anything with dial-up connections.
2nd The internet wasn't in any house like now.
3rd the recorders and the media was too expensive and not trust worthy.
I remember burning cd and holding my breath, you couldent even move the mouse.
note* the Funny side
The link to a porn site for some reason was never broken,
i remember hitting alt+f4 to close pop-ups like i was playing space invanders lol.
zillions of pop-ups, dialers .... what an era.

@phate316
Totally agree, many people made a fortune by selling/modding games/consoles.
Especially at the end of the 90's, the golden age of PSX and after with PS2 and XBox.
I remember paying almost $400 for my first CD Burner. It was an HP and I got it from Best Buy. So many coasters but for some reason it was worth it for the 3 out of 5 that did work. I also remember downloading a copy of MS Office 95 and it taking me 3 days to get all of it. Over 50 rar files and you could only download 3 or so at a time. And you had to get them all as quick as you could or the links would get taken down and whatever you did get would be useless. That was not fun. Now I complain when it takes more than an hour to download a DVD. Spoiled I am.....:)

86.11.2009 17:26

Quote:
Iwata says that piracy has become more rampant in Europe than in the United States, specifically because many nations there do not have any piracy regulation.
Now, I know the entertainment industry never releases inaccurate figures about piracy, but why do I suspect that statement is a load of hogwash?

96.11.2009 17:37

Nintendo still can't stop it from happening to DS or DSi.. took hackers just 2 weeks just to hack it again lol

106.11.2009 17:47

"Hardware" is not illegal and until the industry gets over that fact I wont be buying much anymore...

116.11.2009 18:20
warriorp
Inactive

i see we got some haters on here. this is just payback for these companies always trying to get over on people. i got a modded xbox 360. but i dont play it. to me it sucks i play my ps3 all day and buy games from their store. i also have ea modded wii. i dont play it either just when my friends come over.

126.11.2009 18:56

It is nice to see Nintendo not being complete deuchbags on this situation as most companies are, If all the games of the past were on the virtual console at reasonable Wii/DSi prices people wouldn't have to pirate, however people who probably pirate well most people do still buy the actual game if people could, plus people do use emulators for Video Game Walkthroughs so "Piracy" is their for good and bad purposes some just use it for more good then bad especially if one game hasn't been added to the virtual console per say or well hopefully you catch my drift. Plus people well probably most or some use roms on games they all ready bought previously ya know.

136.11.2009 19:02

Originally posted by Tristan_2:
It is nice to see Nintendo not being complete deuchbags on this situation as most companies are, If all the games of the past were on the virtual console at reasonable Wii/DSi prices people wouldn't have to pirate, however people who probably pirate well most people do still buy the actual game if people could, plus people do use emulators for Video Game Walkthroughs so "Piracy" is their for good and bad purposes some just use it for more good then bad especially if one game hasn't been added to the virtual console per say or well hopefully you catch my drift. Plus people well probably most or some use roms on games they all ready bought previously ya know.
meh emulation when done right is far better than the virtual crap on the WII...

146.11.2009 19:35

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
^^^i second that.

If they want to fight piracy lower the damn prices.
I have more or less 30 PS3 games and i only paid for two 70euros, the rest i bought them in a price from 10 to 30 just by waiting few months. I just refuse to pay anymore 70's.

@djeazyg
i agree with you but it is not just the p2p etc that made it more easy. The old days was more difficult but there ware another facts
1st the internet speeds, it took you years to download anything with dial-up connections.
2nd The internet wasn't in any house like now.
3rd the recorders and the media was too expensive and not trust worthy.
I remember burning cd and holding my breath, you couldent even move the mouse.
note* the Funny side
The link to a porn site for some reason was never broken,
i remember hitting alt+f4 to close pop-ups like i was playing space invanders lol.
zillions of pop-ups, dialers .... what an era.

@phate316
Totally agree, many people made a fortune by selling/modding games/consoles.
Especially at the end of the 90's, the golden age of PSX and after with PS2 and XBox.
Agreed. I was in BestBuy the other week and since Im a PC gamer thought I' check out the prices on ps3 games. I was shocked to see some of them going for 80 bucks!

157.11.2009 8:15

Originally posted by warriorp:
i see we got some haters on here. this is just payback for these companies always trying to get over on people. i got a modded xbox 360. but i dont play it. to me it sucks i play my ps3 all day and buy games from their store. i also have ea modded wii. i dont play it either just when my friends come over.
whats the point of modding a system if you dont use it in the first place?

167.11.2009 9:07

Originally posted by DXR88:
your Money Nintendo you can blow it anyway you want. you wont defeat piracy.

They HAVE to at least try, if only to please their clueless shareholders.

177.11.2009 15:45
jony218
Inactive

I take my hat off to nintendo, they are fighting the good fight. They learned from "the man" the methods to use in this neverending battle. While not as gifted as "the man", I think nintendo can give the pirates a decent whooping. But hopefully nintendo doesn't take there eye off the prize because there biggest enemy is microsoft and there vaunted xbox. Remember one of the laws of economics "in the end there can only be one". When oprah (aka the fat lady) sings, the fight will be over.

188.11.2009 21:50

Quote:
Quote:
Iwata says that piracy has become more rampant in Europe than in the United States, specifically because many nations there do not have any piracy regulation.
Now, I know the entertainment industry never releases inaccurate figures about piracy, but why do I suspect that statement is a load of hogwash?
Well, let's look at where the majority of movies and music come from. Hollywood. That's in the USA, so naturally those two juggernauts are going to do as much as possible to protect their stuff in the USA.

199.11.2009 3:29

I'm 100% with Nintendo on this one. No matter what some people say, piracy is harmful for the gaming sector.

209.11.2009 8:25

I am 100% against nintendo for this. Forget legal measures. Focus on the hardware. Take a page out of the Sony handbook. Spend the money locking up your system.

Sounds stupid to admit that your spending butt-loads of money on what you call a never-ending (therefore obviously never-winning) battle.

2111.11.2009 4:11

Originally posted by jony218:
I take my hat off to nintendo, they are fighting the good fight. They learned from "the man" the methods to use in this neverending battle. While not as gifted as "the man", I think nintendo can give the pirates a decent whooping. But hopefully nintendo doesn't take there eye off the prize because there biggest enemy is microsoft and there vaunted xbox. Remember one of the laws of economics "in the end there can only be one". When oprah (aka the fat lady) sings, the fight will be over.
No, the xbox is almost forgotten. The PS2 still has the largest share of anyone, and is similar in technical capabilities to the Wii. Piracy is easy on both units, and the games are small and ugly. The PS2 is clearly their competition...and the PS2 blows the Wii away in terms of price and game selection. One might say that the 360 is in slight competition with the Wii, but the quality of the games is so far removed that it is hard to argue such a point.

This isn't the good fight. They are removing features, and claiming that they are not doing so at the same time. They designed a system that is easily hackable, and they can do nothing about it other than harassing their legal users.

Sony isn't very good at writing code...yet they have locked the PS3 down tight...no piracy at all (it does have game sharing, but Sony seems to be OK with this, as they can turn it off, but rarely do so). If Microsoft or Nintendo wanted to do this, they could...if they knew how to write code.

2211.11.2009 11:44

Quote:
Originally posted by jony218:
I take my hat off to nintendo, they are fighting the good fight. They learned from "the man" the methods to use in this neverending battle. While not as gifted as "the man", I think nintendo can give the pirates a decent whooping. But hopefully nintendo doesn't take there eye off the prize because there biggest enemy is microsoft and there vaunted xbox. Remember one of the laws of economics "in the end there can only be one". When oprah (aka the fat lady) sings, the fight will be over.
No, the xbox is almost forgotten. The PS2 still has the largest share of anyone, and is similar in technical capabilities to the Wii. Piracy is easy on both units, and the games are small and ugly. The PS2 is clearly their competition...and the PS2 blows the Wii away in terms of price and game selection. One might say that the 360 is in slight competition with the Wii, but the quality of the games is so far removed that it is hard to argue such a point.

This isn't the good fight. They are removing features, and claiming that they are not doing so at the same time. They designed a system that is easily hackable, and they can do nothing about it other than harassing their legal users.

Sony isn't very good at writing code...yet they have locked the PS3 down tight...no piracy at all (it does have game sharing, but Sony seems to be OK with this, as they can turn it off, but rarely do so). If Microsoft or Nintendo wanted to do this, they could...if they knew how to write code.
huh what? the Xbox is clsoer to the WII as far as hardware goes...well.....the GC was more powerful than the PS2 and nearly as powerfull as the Xbox.... but software wise the Xbox has been abandoned and the PS2 is still fluorshing across the world.

Now I consider the WII to be in its own world when comparing it to the 360 and PS3 and I say this becuse of 3 main thigns 1 its sold like a mad fad, 2 the games/grenes on it are spuratic and random at times leaving it weak looking to normal gamers and the coup de grace to it is the at times wonky toy feeling motion control.

All of this despite the good stuff about the WII makes it more a toy fad than a real game system but don't get me wrong the PS3/360 might as well be made for hollywood because gaming these days is all shallow flash looking to sell to the lowest IQ demographic.....

2312.11.2009 9:36

Originally posted by Tristan_2:
It is nice to see Nintendo not being complete deuchbags on this situation as most companies are, If all the games of the past were on the virtual console at reasonable Wii/DSi prices people wouldn't have to pirate, however people who probably pirate well most people do still buy the actual game if people could, plus people do use emulators for Video Game Walkthroughs so "Piracy" is their for good and bad purposes some just use it for more good then bad especially if one game hasn't been added to the virtual console per say or well hopefully you catch my drift. Plus people well probably most or some use roms on games they all ready bought previously ya know.
"...If all the games of the past were on the virtual console at reasonable Wii/DSi prices people wouldn't have to pirate"...

Have to pirate? Let's get one thing straight. Never make pirates out to be the victim. This isn't food and starvation we're talking about here. Piracy is a choice. It always has been. It always will be. If you make that choice, you're need to understand there may be stiff consequences, a la Microsft banning 1M consoles that play pirated games.

Let's also not pretend that all pirates go out and buy the games they like. That's a load of carp, and everyone knows it. I'd say it's a fair estimate that only a very small percentage of people using emulators and modded consoles are actually using them for 'virtuous' purposes.

Now, don't get me wrong. I think virtual console games are usually way overpriced. It makes me especially upset when I still own the original cartridges and systems, but I'd have to pay to play them on my Wii or DS. But that still doesn't FORCE me to pirate games. It's always a choice.

2412.11.2009 9:41

Quote:
Originally posted by Tristan_2:
It is nice to see Nintendo not being complete deuchbags on this situation as most companies are, If all the games of the past were on the virtual console at reasonable Wii/DSi prices people wouldn't have to pirate, however people who probably pirate well most people do still buy the actual game if people could, plus people do use emulators for Video Game Walkthroughs so "Piracy" is their for good and bad purposes some just use it for more good then bad especially if one game hasn't been added to the virtual console per say or well hopefully you catch my drift. Plus people well probably most or some use roms on games they all ready bought previously ya know.
"...If all the games of the past were on the virtual console at reasonable Wii/DSi prices people wouldn't have to pirate"...

Have to pirate? Let's get one thing straight. Never make pirates out to be the victim. This isn't food and starvation we're talking about here. Piracy is a choice. It always has been. It always will be. If you make that choice, you're need to understand there may be stiff consequences, a la Microsft banning 1M consoles that play pirated games.

Let's also not pretend that all pirates go out and buy the games they like. That's a load of carp, and everyone knows it. I'd say it's a fair estimate that only a very small percentage of people using emulators and modded consoles are actually using them for 'virtuous' purposes.

Now, don't get me wrong. I think virtual console games are usually way overpriced. It makes me especially upset when I still own the original cartridges and systems, but I'd have to pay to play them on my Wii or DS. But that still doesn't FORCE me to pirate games. It's always a choice.
"piracy" comes about due to 3 things,price ability and popularity don't make pirates out to be sub human or worse just cause something is popular, not very easy to get or expensive. Also consumption is a core part of the modern man you can not remove it without changing the world one is forced to live in.

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