'Lord of the Rings' officially headed to Blu-ray in April

WTF??!! I got to wait for another set of "Extended Version" BDs?? Thanks but no thanks. I'll keep my dollars for better use...

I have to admit that I already own both the theatrical and extended versions on dvd, and I haven't watched the theatricals since I got the extended versions, I don't see any point in buying another set in blu ray, unless it contained at least both versions, thats the only way that I'll be tempted, and I'm not personally interested in digital copies, or perhaps they plan to release both as 2 separate box sets, the first in April and the extended a few months later on, is it just another cash grab...

without being the xtended version whats the point of releasing it???
and 9xBD??? evan if the BD's are single layer that equals to 225gb??? for what???

Kinda what I was thinking...

NINE disks for three movies? On BR???

The only people who will get this are collectors.

I've got the collectors edition DVD set and while the box looks quite cool, I've not really played them much.
I usually watch the digital version when I do watch it.

3 BRs 3 DVDs and 3 extras?

Um..digital copies? Yeah, I got your "digital copies" right here.

Right on Usenet. Look for them around the 1st week of April in alt.binaries.hdtv

They'll do Theatrical first so the hardcore High Def people will buy them. Then a couple months later they'll release the extended set, and hope most of the people who bought the Theatrical will buy the new "better" set.

Their way of screwing the consumer, and getting the most money out of them.

I'm hoping people boycott this and wait for the extended version instead.

As others have commented why is it nine disks? The extended edition on DVD is 12 disks, including the extras but even with it being at 1080P they must be using 25GB disks.

Ill be waiting for extended versions.

Originally posted by Pop_Smith:

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As others have commented why is it nine disks? The extended edition on DVD is 12 disks, including the extras but even with it being at 1080P they must be using 25GB disks.

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9 discs:

Fellowship:
1 - Theatrical Cut - 178 minutes
2 - Digital Copy
3 - Extras

Two Towers:
1 - Theatrical Cut - 179 minutes
2 - Digital Copy
3 - Extras

Return of the King:
1 - Theatrical Cut - 200 minutes
2 - Digital Copy
3 - Extras

Hey Pop: If you think you can fit 178 minutes or more of 1080p video with lossless audio on 25 GB discs then I think you're dreaming. The theatrical cuts will most definitely be on BD50 discs.

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Hey Pop: If you think you can fit 178 minutes or more of 1080p video with lossless audio on 25 GB discs then I think you're dreaming. The theatrical cuts will most definitely be on BD50 discs.

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I didn't take into account that the digital copies would be on a disk. They could put the theatrical versions a BD25 if nothing else was on it, however, that is rarely the case.

I still won't be putting up the cash $70+ for a BD-set as I am waiting, as I'm sure many are, for the extended versions to hit BD.

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Originally posted by HDNow:

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They could put the theatrical versions a BD25 if nothing else was on it, however, that is rarely the case.

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The theatrical cuts are 178, 179 and 200 minutes. Even without anything else they still wouldn't fit on a BD-25. Remember these will definitely have lossless soundtracks. I'll bet my fanny these will be on BD50's.

The extended cuts will likely come out in 2011 when The Hobbit is released.

Originally posted by samshizze:

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They'll do Theatrical first so the hardcore High Def people will buy them. Then a couple months later they'll release the extended set, and hope most of the people who bought the Theatrical will buy the new "better" set.

Their way of screwing the consumer, and getting the most money out of them.

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I don't see how is this "screwing the consumer". I don't think anyone is forcing "the consumer" the buy anything. Wasting your own money is your choice. Bitching about how you waste your money because you chose so is pointless...It's a business,not charity, and if you can find fools that will buy half a dozen versions of the same movie,just with prettier covers, why not try to sell it???!!

a.. hats i still want my HD-DVD version!

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Originally posted by samshizze:

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They'll do Theatrical first so the hardcore High Def people will buy them. Then a couple months later they'll release the extended set, and hope most of the people who bought the Theatrical will buy the new "better" set.

Their way of screwing the consumer, and getting the most money out of them.

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I don't see how is this "screwing the consumer". I don't think anyone is forcing "the consumer" the buy anything. Wasting your own money is your choice. Bitching about how you waste your money because you chose so is pointless...It's a business,not charity, and if you can find fools that will buy half a dozen versions of the same movie,just with prettier covers, why not try to sell it???!!

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Not releasing stuff in a timely manner, not releasing it at a good price, not releasing it at a fixed price world wide region free...basically they do everything they can to screw the consumer. IMO at least try to do better than the rank wank you've been doing.... if not the consumer will go else where if they are less wooly than others....

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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... IMO at least try to do better than the rank wank you've been doing.... if not the consumer will go else where if they are less wooly than others....

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My point exactly...no one is twisting anyone's arm to buy the dam'ed discs first time they come out. If someone thinks their life is going to be augmented by jumping in right away and wasting their money on a disc that will sit on a shelf over 80% of it's life time, then why complain? Don't like the business model, don't do the business.
Why not release the movies on DVD/Blu Ray at the same time with the theatrical release? Ba$ta'ds,instead they are trying to make more money,"forcing" people to watch the movie at the theaters, then buy it on a disc...
If one "can't" wait,got "the itching" and has to "preorder" whatever first release comes first on whatever format, then go get scratched, by all means, just don't complain complain about the rash...

They must be BD-50s even for the theatrical cut - no way would Jackson let them cram over 3 hours of his movies with lossless soundtracks on a single layer disc - can you imagine the compression and artifacts or at very least , hugely reduced bit rate ?
There has been a massive backlash against this "cinema version only" set , not least on amazon.com so why they are still going ahead with this is beyond me but as has already been said , if you don't want it then don't buy it , simple. Nobody is forced to get it.
The same money spinning technique has been used to even worse effect with Warner Bros on the Harry Potter series - how many damn boxsets have they released containing all the movies so far ?
There was the Years 1-3 boxset , then there was years 1-4 then the wooden trunks on HD-DVD and blu-ray with Years 1-5 , this christmas it's the "complete years 1-6" box set and there are still 2 films left to go in the series with Deathly Hallows being a 2 film project and already they are rehashing the old ones ( 1- 5 ) with new packaging and "special edition extended cut" marketing mantra already !!!

Originally posted by cyprusrom:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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... IMO at least try to do better than the rank wank you've been doing.... if not the consumer will go else where if they are less wooly than others....

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My point exactly...no one is twisting anyone's arm to buy the dam'ed discs first time they come out. If someone thinks their life is going to be augmented by jumping in right away and wasting their money on a disc that will sit on a shelf over 80% of it's life time, then why complain? Don't like the business model, don't do the business.
Why not release the movies on DVD/Blu Ray at the same time with the theatrical release? Ba$ta'ds,instead they are trying to make more money,"forcing" people to watch the movie at the theaters, then buy it on a disc...
If one "can't" wait,got "the itching" and has to "preorder" whatever first release comes first on whatever format, then go get scratched, by all means, just don't complain complain about the rash...

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Mmmmmm when they are the only allowed provider and they give you 2 or 3 choices when you should have a minim of 6 or more...they are twisting your arm because they are not doing enough to get it out there.

Rumor has it that the extended release will come at the end of 2011, just in time for The Hobbit, and be part of an ultra collectors set.

This is no surprise. It's called double dipping. As cyprusrom pointed out, it's just business. The theatrical release is going to sell to a number of people. Some of those may want to watch it in HD right now instead of wait. They may just buy the extended version when it comes out also. Just have patience. In the meantime, enjoy the HDTV versions floating around out there with upscaled extended scenes.

Some people may think that it's a rip off being offered the theatrical set some months before the extended set is released. The UK price is £50.00 for the three films and I can't wait to get my hands on them. £50.00 is a small price to pay for this collection. No one has to buy them but I bet this will be a huge seller. And yes I will also gladly hand over some more money for the extended versions just as I did when the DVDs came out. Anyone for Star Wars?

Originally posted by emugamer:

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Rumor has it that the extended release will come at the end of 2011, just in time for The Hobbit, and be part of an ultra collectors set.

This is no surprise. It's called double dipping. As cyprusrom pointed out, it's just business. The theatrical release is going to sell to a number of people. Some of those may want to watch it in HD right now instead of wait. They may just buy the extended version when it comes out also. Just have patience. In the meantime, enjoy the HDTV versions floating around out there with upscaled extended scenes.

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It's a bit more than double dipping at this point, it's quintuple dipping at least lol

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It's a bit more than double dipping at this point, it's quintuple dipping at least lol

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True! DVD theatrical release, DVD extended release, Blu ray Theatrical release and soon the Blu ray Extended release.

I did read somewhere that the Blu ray extended will have more extras than the DVD extended release did.

...Even if it was centuple, if you don't want, no one is forcing you to play their games...unless you "have to have " the first release on Blu Ray, of a movie that you probably have seen already 5 times and know the dialog by heart...or something. Of course, your entire life might be in ruins if you don't jump right in to get it...

cyprusrom, I completely understand ur point, but here's problem 1. The average consumer John and Jane r having a day together. They go get some groceries, wash there car, c a movie, maybe take a walk through the park, when suddenly Jane realizes, "John we forgot to get dog food." she says in a frantic. So off 2 the local Wally's. As there walking thru the store something catches John's eye. He walks over to it and when the sudden reality of what it is hits him, he fants and falls to the floor. After Jane slaps him for several minutes he finally comes to. He gets to his feet and tries to shake off what he believes must be a midday daydream brought on by stress from working to much at the local krusty krab, when suddenly a bright light shines from above on his must be daydream. He steps forward and grabs it from the shelf. He slowly turns to Jane, knees a buckling, "Look honey, its LOTR box set on blu-ray," he stutters with a tear in his eye, "I didn't EVEN KNOW this was coming out. I know we have rent to pay, but please let me get this. I'll do whatever you want for a week." She smiles at him and leads him to the checkout without the dog food. Most people won't know that the theatrical version is coming out let alone that maybe sometime in the future that the extended version may come out. Its using people against themselves. Its not a business model, its greed. The same thing happened to me almost ten years ago when I bought the box set of Die Hard. I know now to do my research. Problem 2. There r enough of us out there reading and talking to know not to fall for this trap. And because of this, initial sales won't be what r projected and they will blame it on piracy and that will be there reason for not bringing out extended versions. When a book they know is going to sell well, they publish it for the first 6 months in hardback which is 3 times as much as paperback. What's the justification for charging 25 bucks for a hardback compared to 8 bucks for a paperback. Its exactly the same story. No extras, no extended version, just the same story in different wrapping. There justification for this. They know people think they have to have it now and people can't help themselves.

Originally posted by Ustop:

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cyprusrom, ... They know people think they have to have it now and people can't help themselves.

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OKay, maybe they are taking advantage of the "innocent", uninformed...But to me, if a certain consumer is that uninformed and innocent, is not an avid collector/die hard hi-def/blu ray stuff...He bought a big screen TV, the guy at BestBuy told him he needs to also buy a Blu Ray player to take advantage of the hi-def TV, and now he buys Blu Ray discs, because the Geek Squad told him it looks much better than regular DVDs.

So,Innocent and uninformed how he is, because he doesn't know about all these extended cuts/releases after releases, most likely doesn't care about it either. Next time he sees a new disc, he'll say, "I already have it, already saw it", even though is a different release, and move on... The ones that complain about it, are the somehow informed customers, that know what they are getting into.

"...people think they have to have it now and people can't help themselves"

So, who's to blame? C'mon, Is not like waving a bottle of booze in front of a recovering alcoholic...But since your guy fainted and fell to the floor at Wally's, obviously he's life might be in danger, so I guess his impulsive shopping is somehow justified)))...

Point takin. People ask me all the time whats the big difference between dvd and blu-ray. I haven't cum up with a good answer yet. So why do so many people shell out big bucks for it. Why do people spends thousands of dollars on hdtv's with built in digital tuners, when obviously youre goin to hookup a hd box to it or bluray player, xbox, ps3 etc. There's absolutely no need for a hdtv with digital tuner. But there it is and you pay for it. Why do 12 year old girls go c a horocious movie about a love triangle btween a girl, a werewolf and a vampire 6 times in one weekend and try to tell you how great it was, but in ten years they look back and laugh at themeselves for ever watching it. Why do people drop a hundred bucks on a pair pants when you can get the same thing at Wally's for 25 bucks. Why buy a ipod when there are comparable products for half that. I want to use the word stupid but its not that. Fads aren't about intellegence, its about people simply not knowing better. Yes, when you create a product you have the right to sell that product and make money, but John didn't faint cuz he loves Lotr so much and now its on bluray and he just has to have it. Hell, he mite not even like the movies, better yet, he mite not even own a bluray player. He fainted cuz there it is and society says he has to have or hes not cool. I would care less about bluray. Why spend the money. Cuz it looks cool. I don't watch movies for how they look. I watch them for there content. Picture quality does not make a movie better. The last time you were in a theatre was the picture crystal clear? My opinion of course, but I make my opinions by what I like, not what they say I should like. So back to original debate. The reason they r releasing crappy version first is cuz they know that the average customer will eventually buy both sets.

Originally posted by Ustop:

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...So back to original debate. The reason they r releasing crappy version first is cuz they know that the average customer will eventually buy both sets.

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We've established already why they do business the way they do- because it brings them more money. But should they be thrown stones at for that? If someone has money to throw all over around, I would never mind cleaning up the mess;hell, I would even encourage them to do so...A Blu Ray disc of some movie that you have watched already years ago is not an existentially vital product, is a luxury item.
No one is forcing you to buy it, and most likely life will not improve dramatically if you do it.If someone thinks is a rip off, easy solution- don't buy the darn thing if you're not happy with it!!

It's obvious that casual fans and people with disposable income are being targeted. Maybe even people who don't want to wait 2 more years. And why not? They need to fund future development, and this is a good way to re-animate the franchise....get some money flowing in again. Personally, if I really want to experience the movie in true HD, I'll wait for Netflix.

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Originally posted by Ustop:

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...So back to original debate. The reason they r releasing crappy version first is cuz they know that the average customer will eventually buy both sets.

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We've established already why they do business the way they do- because it brings them more money. But should they be thrown stones at for that? If someone has money to throw all over around, I would never mind cleaning up the mess;hell, I would even encourage them to do so...A Blu Ray disc of some movie that you have watched already years ago is not an existentially vital product, is a luxury item.
No one is forcing you to buy it, and most likely life will not improve dramatically if you do it.If someone thinks is a rip off, easy solution- don't buy the darn thing if you're not happy with it!!

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A bad business that needs its consumers to be dumb and uninformed in order to make money...... also in the modern age consumption is equatable to breathing. Tho its not so much about what they are offering but the price this should not be more than 30$ and the extended release should not be more than 50..... people forget modern man is breed to consume and modern business tends to play upon that with poor over priced and sloppy choices....

I will definitely not argue with you about the prices Zippy...

i thought one of the main selling points of blu was more space why so many disc you would think a box set would come on very few disc.9 disc wow sound like sd dvd to me.

Originally posted by cyprusrom:

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I will definitely not argue with you about the prices Zippy...

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Feel free to disagree with me...I tend to naw on my tinfoil hat to much :P

Originally posted by Se7ven:

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i thought one of the main selling points of blu was more space why so many disc you would think a box set would come on very few disc.9 disc wow sound like sd dvd to me.

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huh?

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i thought one of the main selling points of blu was more space why so many disc you would think a box set would come on very few disc.9 disc wow sound like sd dvd to me.

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huh?

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:)) Must be one of the "un-informed" customers...

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i thought one of the main selling points of blu was more space why so many disc you would think a box set would come on very few disc.9 disc wow sound like sd dvd to me.

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huh?

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:)) Must be one of the "un-informed" customers...

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What dose a 1080P movie take up 20-30GB? I know when you compress it down using mp4 or h.xx its 6-12GB so in a rawer format it has to be 2 or 3 times bigger....

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i thought one of the main selling points of blu was more space why so many disc you would think a box set would come on very few disc.9 disc wow sound like sd dvd to me.

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huh?

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:)) Must be one of the "un-informed" customers...

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What dose a 1080P movie take up 20-30GB? I know when you compress it down using mp4 or h.xx its 6-12GB so in a rawer format it has to be 2 or 3 times bigger....

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The movies are 3 hours long, likely 35GB+

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i thought one of the main selling points of blu was more space why so many disc you would think a box set would come on very few disc.9 disc wow sound like sd dvd to me.

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huh?

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:)) Must be one of the "un-informed" customers...

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What dose a 1080P movie take up 20-30GB? I know when you compress it down using mp4 or h.xx its 6-12GB so in a rawer format it has to be 2 or 3 times bigger....

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The movies are 3 hours long, likely 35GB+

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Double sided disc indeed!

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Originally posted by Se7ven:

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i thought one of the main selling points of blu was more space why so many disc you would think a box set would come on very few disc.9 disc wow sound like sd dvd to me.

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huh?

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:)) Must be one of the "un-informed" customers...

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What dose a 1080P movie take up 20-30GB? I know when you compress it down using mp4 or h.xx its 6-12GB so in a rawer format it has to be 2 or 3 times bigger....

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The movies are 3 hours long, likely 35GB+

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Yeah, I just ripped a 2 hour movie that was 30GB. Definitely up there, but under 50.

If this is stunt-man's edit with all the corny shit chopped out and an authentic telling of the story which doesn't pander to *bleep* StarWars fans, I may just get a Blu-Ray player and watch this sucker...

...Elves at Helms Deep, how dare they!

I quote (not word for word) ".. at the New-Zealand premier, the audience cheered when the Elves turned up at last minute.... therefore is all justified..."

No. They were cheering because there are like 2,000 people on that Island, 1,500 of whom were in the Movie, and their biggest homegrown star was the Elven Leader... So, no that does not 'justify' changing key elements to the tale... Perhaps they will edit out the Blond Hair Blue Eyed Nazi Chic of the Elves too on Blue-Ray, again an addition not found in the book...

Disaster was made out of what could have been SO exceptionally good.

If you thought the trilogy was long, now with all the extras that can be packed on Blu-Ray you will be watching it till the second coming.

Who knows the released date of true blood season 2 ?i saw the dvd movie picture on the website *SPAM removed*,i really want to buy this dvd movie.There are many movies on the site,include the Lord if the King,i bought it from the site,the qulality is very good,but i want to know when the true blood season releasd.I like the movie very much.