Afraid of the TSA body scanners? Try this new underwear

Well that's great and all, but they'll flip out thinking it's a bomb or something.

So where's the 4th Amendment again?

Bush abolished it...eliminating freedoms was the only way to guarantee that the terrorists would win.

This gave me a neat idea. I can buy a jumbo pack of Fruit of the Loom underpants at Walmart, sew a leaf pattern onto the crotch and then sell each pair on eBay for $100 a pop. As far as the buyers are concerned, ignorance is bliss, right? :-P

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This gave me a neat idea. I can buy a jumbo pack of Fruit of the Loom underpants at Walmart, sew a leaf pattern onto the crotch and then sell each pair on eBay for $100 a pop. As far as the buyers are concerned, ignorance is bliss, right? :-P

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i am sure the inventor had the same idea hahaha

Beat to the punch

...So the scanners can't see through clothing, but they can detect any weapons hidden beneath the clothing (Not sure how this is possible).

...And these underwear block the machines from seeing through your clothing (?I thought they couldn't do that anyway?), but still allow the machine to see any weapons hidden in your underwear?

...Everyone claims that the scanners can't see through clothing, and then they claim that they can see through clothing, and even into the human body itself (a terrorist could have a bomb in his rectum).

Isn't it fun when they openly contradict themselves within their own lies? Considering the source has never told the truth, wouldn't it be correct to assume that they are just full of crap?

I think the scanners can see through clothing...and I don't think they can find weapons.

i knew a woman that had lead lined boxer shorts.apparently she made them out of an old hospital curtain and 2 pairs of boxer shorts.

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i knew a woman that had lead lined boxer shorts.apparently she made them out of an old hospital curtain and 2 pairs of boxer shorts.

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haha Interesting concept

I'm going to have to make some.. or they will discover my lightsaber I shoved up my arse in the airport bar!!!!

uncomfortable.. it is..

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...So the scanners can't see through clothing, but they can detect any weapons hidden beneath the clothing (Not sure how this is possible).

...And these underwear block the machines from seeing through your clothing (?I thought they couldn't do that anyway?), but still allow the machine to see any weapons hidden in your underwear?

...Everyone claims that the scanners can't see through clothing, and then they claim that they can see through clothing, and even into the human body itself (a terrorist could have a bomb in his rectum).

Isn't it fun when they openly contradict themselves within their own lies? Considering the source has never told the truth, wouldn't it be correct to assume that they are just full of crap?

I think the scanners can see through clothing...and I don't think they can find weapons.

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The scanners can not see through the skin, would be pointless to not see through clothing.....

Its like a cat scan only not as powerful, since it dose not need to record detailed internal structures. Anyone who has a problem with it really needs some help and de wooling...

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...So the scanners can't see through clothing, but they can detect any weapons hidden beneath the clothing (Not sure how this is possible).

...And these underwear block the machines from seeing through your clothing (?I thought they couldn't do that anyway?), but still allow the machine to see any weapons hidden in your underwear?

...Everyone claims that the scanners can't see through clothing, and then they claim that they can see through clothing, and even into the human body itself (a terrorist could have a bomb in his rectum).

Isn't it fun when they openly contradict themselves within their own lies? Considering the source has never told the truth, wouldn't it be correct to assume that they are just full of crap?

I think the scanners can see through clothing...and I don't think they can find weapons.

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The scanners can not see through the skin, would be pointless to not see through clothing.....

Its like a cat scan only not as powerful, since it dose not need to record detailed internal structures. Anyone who has a problem with it really needs some help and de wooling...

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Is a CT scan the same as a cat scan? I heard CT scans give off a
lot of radiation.

This site is lame, erasing my joke, so much for free speech and I even kept it pg-13, f'ing joke.

As a chemist, I'm so sick and tired of people freaking out over the "radiation". You deal with radiation on a daily basis(see: Sunlight). The amount of radiation these things puts out is nothing and would not cause any issues with a person. Honestly, the fDA would not net these be put out if they actually caused any problems. Honestly, if you don't know what your talking about then people need to listen to the people they do. Rule 12: Know your place.

Hehehe yeah wear these and I guarantee you will get a pat down focusing on those areas...You gotta remember they are trying to protect us. Sure there hasn't been much 9/11 stuff going on but couldn't that be because they know they are likely to get caught? I would gladly be patted down rather than be flown into a building but maybe that's just me...

Well, once the TSA realizes that they can't see your genitals they will pull you to the side and take you to the back room and throughly exam your unseeable-through underwear.

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Well, once the TSA realizes that they can't see your genitals they will pull you to the side and take you to the back room and throughly exam your unseeable-through underwear.

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I was about to post the exact same comment...

the scanner system is nothing but a bunch of bull, to see how far they can push us into a corner like the cattle they think we are.

Whats to stop a group of armed men from taking over the entire terminal mmm. i don't thing MR. creamfilled & coffie is going to do much with his stun gun and club. after the terminals is under the terrorists control whats to stop them from hi-jacking every 747 in the lot.

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As a chemist, I'm so sick and tired of people freaking out over the "radiation". You deal with radiation on a daily basis(see: Sunlight). The amount of radiation these things puts out is nothing and would not cause any issues with a person. Honestly, the fDA would not net these be put out if they actually caused any problems. Honestly, if you don't know what your talking about then people need to listen to the people they do. Rule 12: Know your place.

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The radiation thing is the minor issue. This is more about a device that takes naked pictures of people, saves them, and automatically uploads them to a server. Since kids are allowed to fly, this is a clear case of child pornography. If you think this does not quite fall into the realm of child pornography, remember that anything that is meant to resemble a child is now considered child pornography...even a picture of an 18 year old woman with a naked 17 year body stiched on is child porn.

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The radiation thing is the minor issue. This is more about a device that takes naked pictures of people, saves them, and automatically uploads them to a server. Since kids are allowed to fly, this is a clear case of child pornography. If you think this does not quite fall into the realm of child pornography, remember that anything that is meant to resemble a child is now considered child pornography...even a picture of an 18 year old woman with a naked 17 year body stiched on is child porn.

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Sorry, honestly, this is the only site I get my news from. (sometimes /. but mostly AD) I'm not completely up to date with what people are B*tching about now. I saw in the article "but instead wants to protect citizens from unwanted radiation." and figured people are freaking out over the radiation the same way they do about cellphones. Ok so... what if it gets uploaded to a server? Can I connect to it? I mean this basically a nude version of my IP address. Yes its cataloged in some back alley server, yes SOME people have access to it but that's highly regulated and your picture will almost never be seen again. I really don't care if it takes nude pictures of me or not. And as far as the child porn goes, unless this is an elaborate scheme for the government to get MORE childporn, why does it matter? Again, their picture is going to get cataloged and never seen again. I fly atleast once a year and I have absolutely no issue with it. I feel safer with them doing this now. Oh ya, pro-tip here. Don't tell the Airport security that its a good thing that you've been out of class for a month or otherwise you would set off their chemical detectors... Even if you say your a Chemist. They get really suspicious >.>

No one is forcing you to fly.... don't like the scanners or patdowns, then quit complaining step out of the way so I can get scanned and get on my plane.

Ya know if you can not stand being filmed outside or in public areas or be scanned before entering certain buildings or get on a planed... perhaps you need to return to the people under the rock you came from....

Yea the FDA has NEVER been wrong before! From what I can tell they haven't studied the long-term effects of this product because they haven't taken the time to (if I am incorrect about a lack of longitudinal studies on this product please let me know. I would honestly be curious to see a legitimate study). And again, I haven't seen any longitudinal studies so they can pretend that they know what they have created but they won't until decades from now when travelers (especially frequent travelers) notice physiological issues. Perhaps this is an unnecessary scare but most people have natural concerns, and I think it's good to question. The FDA is run by people, not gods, they make mistakes, and I wouldn't be too shocked if they were just trying to protect their fellow government agency. I will make my verdict on the machines decades from now when someone has been able to study the full scientific effects. Personally I'm not terribly concerned about the radiation, I'm concerned about privacy. These scanners are invasive and unnecessary, but I guess it's better than being groped in public by a stranger.

P.S. People say these scanner images are backlogged and never seen again; however, I continue to see TONS of different scanner images and they are posted for the world to see online. Does anyone know if these people are actually giving the newspapers, websites, etc. permission to show scanner photos of themselves or is the TSA allowed to do whatever they want with them?

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Yea the FDA has NEVER been wrong before! From what I can tell they haven't studied the long-term effects of this product because they haven't taken the time to (if I am incorrect about a lack of longitudinal studies on this product please let me know. I would honestly be curious to see a legitimate study). And again, I haven't seen any longitudinal studies so they can pretend that they know what they have created but they won't until decades from now when travelers (especially frequent travelers) notice physiological issues. Perhaps this is an unnecessary scare but most people have natural concerns, and I think it's good to question. The FDA is run by people, not gods, they make mistakes, and I wouldn't be too shocked if they were just trying to protect their fellow government agency. I will make my verdict on the machines decades from now when someone has been able to study the full scientific effects. Personally I'm not terribly concerned about the radiation, I'm concerned about privacy. These scanners are invasive and unnecessary, but I guess it's better than being groped in public by a stranger.

P.S. People say these scanner images are backlogged and never seen again; however, I continue to see TONS of different scanner images and they are posted for the world to see online. Does anyone know if these people are actually giving the newspapers, websites, etc. permission to show scanner photos of themselves or is the TSA allowed to do whatever they want with them?

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Meh a public picture is a pubic picture, now this is a 3D image of a supposed nude form but still nothing to freak out over.

I'd be more interested in the long term studies of effects of the radio,ect radiation on the body. But this really should be used as a B option, frist is the metal detector fail that get scaned or opt out and get patted down. More people should be allowed to join authorized flier groups. Basically a company get a license from the fed and the state the those who sign up pay a 500$ fee their info is passed to the FBI and CIA when cleared you pay 15-50%(depending on how much you fly) of ticket price to bypass security. Call it veri'flight and 70% of the time you can fly with no trouble however if their is a incident or event that causes a red flag to come on on certain ,most or all veri'flight members they will back back twice the percentage they took out unless you violated flying rules.

This seems a no brainier and more worth while than trying to replace metal scanners with body scaners.

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The radiation thing is the minor issue. This is more about a device that takes naked pictures of people, saves them, and automatically uploads them to a server. Since kids are allowed to fly, this is a clear case of child pornography. If you think this does not quite fall into the realm of child pornography, remember that anything that is meant to resemble a child is now considered child pornography...even a picture of an 18 year old woman with a naked 17 year body stiched on is child porn.

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Sorry, honestly, this is the only site I get my news from. (sometimes /. but mostly AD) I'm not completely up to date with what people are B*tching about now. I saw in the article "but instead wants to protect citizens from unwanted radiation." and figured people are freaking out over the radiation the same way they do about cellphones. Ok so... what if it gets uploaded to a server? Can I connect to it? I mean this basically a nude version of my IP address. Yes its cataloged in some back alley server, yes SOME people have access to it but that's highly regulated and your picture will almost never be seen again. I really don't care if it takes nude pictures of me or not. And as far as the child porn goes, unless this is an elaborate scheme for the government to get MORE childporn, why does it matter? Again, their picture is going to get cataloged and never seen again. I fly atleast once a year and I have absolutely no issue with it. I feel safer with them doing this now. Oh ya, pro-tip here. Don't tell the Airport security that its a good thing that you've been out of class for a month or otherwise you would set off their chemical detectors... Even if you say your a Chemist. They get really suspicious >.>

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You assume that the government protects the servers that keep these images...this is a huge assumption...they didn't even start encrypting the predator drone control signals until they found out that the enemy was hacking into them. What kind of person looks for a job where all they do is look at naked images of people all day? What kind of person looks for a job categorizing and sorting naked images of people? Is it really hard to believe that these images will end up online?

Oh, and once again...these scanners really don't do anything. Sure, it makes everyone feel very safe and let their guard down and everything...but I don't think that is a good thing. Sure, it might detect a weapon in your pocket, but so does a metal detector. If a terrorist is dedicated enough to travel halfway around the world, do training, and then die for his cause, you better bet that he is also willing to shove a pound of C4 up his rectum.

This technology does not provide the safety benefit it claims, it has serious privacy issues, and the only people who benefit from it are those who make the machines...and maybe future terrorists who take advantage of the false sense of security.

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Originally posted by flyingpen:

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The radiation thing is the minor issue. This is more about a device that takes naked pictures of people, saves them, and automatically uploads them to a server. Since kids are allowed to fly, this is a clear case of child pornography. If you think this does not quite fall into the realm of child pornography, remember that anything that is meant to resemble a child is now considered child pornography...even a picture of an 18 year old woman with a naked 17 year body stiched on is child porn.

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Sorry, honestly, this is the only site I get my news from. (sometimes /. but mostly AD) I'm not completely up to date with what people are B*tching about now. I saw in the article "but instead wants to protect citizens from unwanted radiation." and figured people are freaking out over the radiation the same way they do about cellphones. Ok so... what if it gets uploaded to a server? Can I connect to it? I mean this basically a nude version of my IP address. Yes its cataloged in some back alley server, yes SOME people have access to it but that's highly regulated and your picture will almost never be seen again. I really don't care if it takes nude pictures of me or not. And as far as the child porn goes, unless this is an elaborate scheme for the government to get MORE childporn, why does it matter? Again, their picture is going to get cataloged and never seen again. I fly atleast once a year and I have absolutely no issue with it. I feel safer with them doing this now. Oh ya, pro-tip here. Don't tell the Airport security that its a good thing that you've been out of class for a month or otherwise you would set off their chemical detectors... Even if you say your a Chemist. They get really suspicious >.>

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You assume that the government protects the servers that keep these images...this is a huge assumption...they didn't even start encrypting the predator drone control signals until they found out that the enemy was hacking into them. What kind of person looks for a job where all they do is look at naked images of people all day? What kind of person looks for a job categorizing and sorting naked images of people? Is it really hard to believe that these images will end up online?

Oh, and once again...these scanners really don't do anything. Sure, it makes everyone feel very safe and let their guard down and everything...but I don't think that is a good thing. Sure, it might detect a weapon in your pocket, but so does a metal detector. If a terrorist is dedicated enough to travel halfway around the world, do training, and then die for his cause, you better bet that he is also willing to shove a pound of C4 up his rectum.

This technology does not provide the safety benefit it claims, it has serious privacy issues, and the only people who benefit from it are those who make the machines...and maybe future terrorists who take advantage of the false sense of security.

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Mmm if it can detect metal and see through clothing the only issue remaining is minor. Since the images are vague and quasi real the real problem here the images getting out as its an unnecessary information leak, private claims are about as valid as people bitching about being photo shoped nude....

If you consider 10 lbs of C4 on an airplane to be a minor issue, then I guess it really is a minor issue. I mean, who cares if the blast is so small that it only blows up one plane? If you really think like this, then you might as well just allow people to bring guns onto the plane. If you are not going to prevent people from bringing bombs on-board, you can at least give the other passengers a way to fight back. Also, if bombs are not a concern to you, then why do you want the scanners at all? It isn't like they are going to use knives or guns to hijack a plane; just standing up to go to the bathroom is enough to get half the passengers ready to jump you. You could give the terrorists SMGs as they boarded the plane...and they still would not be able to hijack it.

If anyone else was making, storing, and distributing 3D images of naked children, they would be getting raped in federal prison by now. The government does it in the name of some unspecified security, and gets away with it.

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If you consider 10 lbs of C4 on an airplane to be a minor issue, then I guess it really is a minor issue. I mean, who cares if the blast is so small that it only blows up one plane? If you really think like this, then you might as well just allow people to bring guns onto the plane. If you are not going to prevent people from bringing bombs on-board, you can at least give the other passengers a way to fight back. Also, if bombs are not a concern to you, then why do you want the scanners at all? It isn't like they are going to use knives or guns to hijack a plane; just standing up to go to the bathroom is enough to get half the passengers ready to jump you. You could give the terrorists SMGs as they boarded the plane...and they still would not be able to hijack it.

If anyone else was making, storing, and distributing 3D images of naked children, they would be getting raped in federal prison by now. The government does it in the name of some unspecified security, and gets away with it.

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Actually I am referring to being scanned and the possibility of the 3D image being made public, a minor issue.

Focus dear focus... your rage is showing. *hug*

If they can't scan it then they will probably ask you to remove it.:D

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Bush abolished it...eliminating freedoms was the only way to guarantee that the terrorists would win.

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And Obama is such a Champion of Freedom, I missed the Executive Order dissolving DHS, TSA, ATF, and the FBI

Sigh! It all gets tiresome.

Comparing Obama to Bush is like comparing the Red Cross to Count Dracula. They both need blood but the Red Cross use it to save lives.

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*FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

*FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

*FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

*RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

*FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

*RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

*RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

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Sigh! It all gets tiresome.

Comparing Obama to Bush is like comparing the Red Cross to Count Dracula. They both need blood but the Red Cross use it to save lives.

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*FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

*FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

*FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

*RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

*FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

*RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

*RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

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Ya but you see here is the thing Bush (and Clinton before him,ect,ect) might have "unlocked" alot of directions government can take. Obama is not doing anything to reafrim that those directions should be blocked and never used, he may have on 1 or 2 but its typical democratic authoritarian anarchist creep into oblivion, they refuse to stand by the constitution as so the government can have more power as so it it fail all the faster.

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Ya but you see here is the thing Bush (and Clinton before him,ect,ect) might have "unlocked" alot of directions government can take.

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Clinton had nothing to do with any of what Bush did and didn't produce anything like it during his adminstration, that is of course unless you listen to FOX Snuz. All that Clinton did was leave Bush with a Surplus to squander on a pointless war which he did readily.

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Obama is not doing anything to reafrim that those directions should be blocked and never used,

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This is true but was it even possible to do anything in congress with one party in perpetual filibuster mode (rhetorical).

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he may have on 1 or 2 but its typical democratic authoritarian anarchist creep into oblivion, they refuse to stand by the constitution as so the government can have more power as so it it fail all the faster.

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More damage was done to constitutional rights under Bush than by all previous presidents in over 200 years. BTW, you really don't understand what authoritarian means or what anarchy is do you?

By your standards all of Europe are authoritarianism anarchists including Denmark which has socialized medicine that makes Obama care look insignificant in its public funding.

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Ya but you see here is the thing Bush (and Clinton before him,ect,ect) might have "unlocked" alot of directions government can take.

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Clinton had nothing to do with any of what Bush did and didn't produce anything like it during his adminstration, that is of course unless you listen to FOX Snuz. All that Clinton did was leave Bush with a Surplus to squander on a pointless war which he did readily.

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This is true but was it even possible to do anything in congress with one party in perpetual filibuster mode (rhetorical).

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he may have on 1 or 2 but its typical democratic authoritarian anarchist creep into oblivion, they refuse to stand by the constitution as so the government can have more power as so it it fail all the faster.

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More damage was done to constitutional rights under Bush than by all previous presidents in over 200 years. BTW, you really don't understand what authoritarian means or what anarchy is do you?

By your standards all of Europe are authoritarianism anarchists including Denmark which has socialized medicine that makes Obama care look insignificant in its public funding.

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You can single out the president all you want but under Clinton we had our consumer rights put under the bridge with the DMCA and doing nothing to stop coprerate from stopping returns on media items.... Under the last 5 to 10 administrations a little here and a little there was done for the sake good intentions that has degraded us bit by bit, Dubya just didn't know self control and over did it a bit..... lulz

PS: dstableabity plus more government power = authoritarianism, now it could end and be merely just a short period of martial law but the US has been particularly power hungry so I doubt they know how to let go of power once they get it This starts the clock on collapse thus anarchy.

And half of europe is authoritarian in nature, hell look at the UK. Boil down authoritarianism its merely the ability of the government to subvert law when it wants to get something done. Oppression dose not have to be direct it can be a side effect of a poor government with to much conglomerated power.

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Be careful how you label half of Europe as authoritarian because they just might disagree with that.

Check your facts and then find a good political debate somewhere and learn, but to do so means opening your mind.

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Boil down authoritarianism its merely the ability of the government to subvert law when it wants to get something done.

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That sounds a lot more like Bush to me than Europe and Brits doesn't it to you?

A British court just threw out an election because it's winner Phil Woods was caught lying. If we did that here in the US the entire GOP from the 2010 midterms' would be a do overturned.

End of debate!This is after-all not a political forum.

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Be careful how you label half of Europe as authoritarian because they just might disagree with that.

Check your facts and then find a good political debate somewhere and learn, but to do so means opening your mind.

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Boil down authoritarianism its merely the ability of the government to subvert law when it wants to get something done.

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That sounds a lot more like Bush to me than Europe and Brits doesn't it to you?

A British court just threw out an election because it's winner Phil Woods was caught lying. If we did that here in the US the entire GOP from the 2010 midterms' would be a do overturned.

End of debate!This is after-all not a political forum.

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Rephrase, make up law as you go= the beginnings of authoritarianism. The us has become a weak democratic system rather than a meek democratic republic. Its slide to socialism lite is good means to distract the public but then again going hawk and play war monger is as good a means whe you can afford it.

The point in my pointless rambling the US is a joke that is slowly failing apart the UK is only ahead of us by 50 years(in falling apart FYI) as it seems half of what they do the US dose or vice versa.


Hell Canada might have to aennex the US if things get bad once it falls apart.

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Its slide to socialism lite is good means to distract the public but then again going hawk and play war monger is as good a means whe you can afford it.

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We aren't headed into anything even resembling socialism and never were except for FOX boneheaded analysis and a right-wing congress latching on to anything that's caught on with the uneducated public. Social programs to help those who are less well off does not equal socialism they are two different things. One is where everything is owned by the government including business, grocery stores, and so forth which is not us and never will be and the other is where we care for and provide our people with basic human needs such as health-care no matter what their socioeconomic status.

The poor and the middle class fight all of our wars. You very rarely see the children of the wealthy in an infantry. They sweep our streets, pickup our garbage, keep our factories running, deliver our mail, cash us out in stores, fix our cars, fix our plumbing, keep our electricity running, and in short keep out country from collapsing.

Are a few acts of decency on the side of those who can afford it going to destroy us all? Will it make us all wake-up one morning as mindless Communists? Those who are lesser well-off can't afford our health care! In fact more than 60% of all bankruptcies in the U.S are caused by medical bills. They can't afford to send their children to college and when those are gifted children it's a disservice to the entire nation. The wars of tomorrow won't be fought on battlefields with guns and grenades, they'll be fought in small rooms with computers in front of us.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db2009064_666715.htm

The right says stay away from green technology and China moves ahead with it. We could have been the leader in that field just as we were with computers but now we can only hope for bit of it, because make no mistake, green technology is the economic wave of tomorrow and we are missing the boat.

Now if you want to continue this debate that's up to you but before you do get at least a couple of your ducks in a row before responding.

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common man,everyone know ducks don't travel in rows. its a widely publicized fact they travel in an informal marching stance as to not draw attention to there greater domination plan.

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common man,everyone know ducks don't travel in rows. its a widely publicized fact they travel in an informal marching stance as to not draw attention to there greater domination plan.

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They also don't use analogies and metaphors either, but that doesn't stop me from using them in one either.:D

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I dunno spending more and more money on the public without recouping that money is a bad form of socialism but a form of it non the less.

Oh and the US has been a socialist country since the 30s, its just alot of people ignore that fact so they can play up sound bites and misconstructions.

Besides there is nothing wrong with socialism or capitalism for that matter as all societies have a mix of ideals that keeps it on a quasi stable path. Perhaps Communism is the only one that easily falls apart without alot of power to sustain it when it grows larger than a town.

All in all not much has changed in 20 years since saint rony but a lessening of the public's rights a freedoms and a general disregard for regulation in the finical sectors allowing more value and funds to be moved from the US. Whats even more sad is the real world in the store value of a dollar is about a quarter or less than what it was 20 years ago. And whats really sad is D and R mean nothing these days, just a different brand of lies and despscion.

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I dunno spending more and more money on the public without recouping that money is a bad form of socialism but a form of it non the less.

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Or a good form of investment it it saves lives and lowers health care costs in the long run. What's more important to you, your family or your money? The funny thing is leaving as it is now gives us one of the most expensive and ineffective health care systems in the civilized world.

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Oh and the US has been a socialist country since the 30s, its just alot of people ignore that fact so they can play up sound bites and misconstructions.

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Note to self, he doesn't understand the meaning of authoritarianism and socialism.

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Besides there is nothing wrong with socialism or capitalism for that matter as all societies have a mix of ideals that keeps it on a quasi stable path. Perhaps Communism is the only one that easily falls apart without alot of power to sustain it when it grows larger than a town.

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zippy, it's possible to offer some social programs without becoming socialists. Our founding fathers knew that..

Thomas Jefferson the author of The Declaration of Independence sought government funding for the University of Virginia which was supported by James Madison the defacto author of our constitution. Jefferson also believed that public education was our only chance of survival since private education would drift into factions. Imagine a country trying to remain cohesive if all its citizens decided that its children should all go to Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or atheist schools.

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If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. Thomas Jefferson

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All in all not much has changed in 20 years since saint rony but a lessening of the public's rights a freedoms and a general disregard for regulation in the finical sectors allowing more value and funds to be moved from the US.

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Actually it was "Saint Rony" that removed financial regulations in the 80's and then proceeded to spend like no one before him only to be followed by George Bush Senior following the same course. Clinton got it all in line and then GW blew it all. Although GW started the bailouts Obama has to accept the blame for elevating it but then by the same token he also should receive credit for saving us from falling into an all out depression.

I think that we've both said enough for one issue and we are both way off topic. With the Internet making so much information available do a little research, turn over some rocks, and then check out what underneath.

back on topic.no one should have the right to make public a picture of you without your permission whether naked or fully clothed thats my opinion.As for the scanner it wouldnt matter if they scanned your whole body or not.If people think they are gonna get caught with something they shouldn't and know they are gonna have to walk through a full body scanner they are gonna have the fear of getting caught or be that sneaky theres no way they will get caught.Just as a test put up a fake security camera outside your frontdoor (make sure it has a flashing light) and leave something valuable looking on your doorstep with the camera pointed at it.if they think they are gonna get caught they wont try it.

Hell, back in the 70's, I used to run around naked quite a bit.."streakers"!
We made a game of it and streaked in long black silk capes with Zorro type masks, we got quite famous in our city. Streaked a Catholic girls school at last bell once...that one was a hoot! Even had a chat with one of the nuns, she thought it was funny as Heck.

So a little naked picture from an airport scanner aint nothin. Maybe I should streak JFK or LAX someday..nah, too old now, I'd prolly trip over the cape and break something.

if someone like mercedes corby can get paid a few hundred thousand dollars to pose in a bikini in FHM magazine then i want at least a few million dollars to have someone take a naked picture of me.

the real question here is does it hide skid marks lol

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I dunno spending more and more money on the public without recouping that money is a bad form of socialism but a form of it non the less.

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Or a good form of investment it it saves lives and lowers health care costs in the long run. What's more important to you, your family or your money? The funny thing is leaving as it is now gives us one of the most expensive and ineffective health care systems in the civilized world.

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Oh and the US has been a socialist country since the 30s, its just alot of people ignore that fact so they can play up sound bites and misconstructions.

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Note to self, he doesn't understand the meaning of authoritarianism and socialism.

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Besides there is nothing wrong with socialism or capitalism for that matter as all societies have a mix of ideals that keeps it on a quasi stable path. Perhaps Communism is the only one that easily falls apart without alot of power to sustain it when it grows larger than a town.

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zippy, it's possible to offer some social programs without becoming socialists. Our founding fathers knew that..

Thomas Jefferson the author of The Declaration of Independence sought government funding for the University of Virginia which was supported by James Madison the defacto author of our constitution. Jefferson also believed that public education was our only chance of survival since private education would drift into factions. Imagine a country trying to remain cohesive if all its citizens decided that its children should all go to Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or atheist schools.

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If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. Thomas Jefferson

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All in all not much has changed in 20 years since saint rony but a lessening of the public's rights a freedoms and a general disregard for regulation in the finical sectors allowing more value and funds to be moved from the US.

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Actually it was "Saint Rony" that removed financial regulations in the 80's and then proceeded to spend like no one before him only to be followed by George Bush Senior following the same course. Clinton got it all in line and then GW blew it all. Although GW started the bailouts Obama has to accept the blame for elevating it but then by the same token he also should receive credit for saving us from falling into an all out depression.

I think that we've both said enough for one issue and we are both way off topic. With the Internet making so much information available do a little research, turn over some rocks, and then check out what underneath.

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Ya Saint rony and the neo cons is the cornerstone of turning the US into a plutocracy. I mroe or elss agree with you just have a different take/opinion on some things.
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back on topic.no one should have the right to make public a picture of you without your permission whether naked or fully clothed thats my opinion.As for the scanner it wouldnt matter if they scanned your whole body or not.If people think they are gonna get caught with something they shouldn't and know they are gonna have to walk through a full body scanner they are gonna have the fear of getting caught or be that sneaky theres no way they will get caught.Just as a test put up a fake security camera outside your frontdoor (make sure it has a flashing light) and leave something valuable looking on your doorstep with the camera pointed at it.if they think they are gonna get caught they wont try it.

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This is ture no matter how bad the image is it should not just show up in public. Same for minor,underage and child porn, make creating it and selling it an absolute(life or free death) make owning it or any other information moot just make distributing with intent to sell the crime like it should be for copy right items. Only they don't get the "personal infringement" protection,"personal infringement" being non public, personal or embarrassing images and such taken can not be distributed without permission. It would curve paparazzi some as well. Takeing pictures of buildings,trees,ect without people in it is not a crime just where you are standing while taking the picture.

Ya ya I know think to much go back to my hole in the gound.....

I have created my own homemade version of clothing.

Go to any arts & crafts store (Michael's). Buy a bottle or 2 of any metallic t-shirt paint (Not glitter based, but one that leaves a metallic film).

Write your message - as graphic as you want on your under clothing.

Have fun!

Here are the ones that I have already made:

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT.
BANG! BOOM! ZAP! POW! BATMAN
ARE YOU A 290 REG? (CA sex crime registrant)
HEY TSA PERV!
YOU LIKE?
GROWS 10X - RUB HERE.
TSA - TITS, SEX, ASS
WATER LANDING - INFLATE HERE

Another has a HUGE penis hanging down the entire leg of a pair of boxer shorts.

I have been patted down a few times. EVERY TIME they say something to the effect of, "We don't find your sense of humor amusing."
I respond, "I don't take the violation of basic human decency or your intrusion lightly either. Pat away!"