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Music industry has lost a third of its value since 2003

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 20 Jan 2011 17:01 User comments (67)

Music industry has lost a third of its value since 2003 The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry's (IFPI) latest Digital Music Report has painted a bleak picture for the music industry, explaining how its value has been cut by a third in just seven years, with no end in sight.
Digital music revenue has grown 1000 percent in the time frame, but growth has slowed from triple digits earlier in the century to just 6 percent in 2010.

The digital sales account for 1/3 of the industry's total revenue.

Adds IFPI chief executive Frances Moore:
"While record companies are innovating and licensing every viable form of music access for consumers. The music industry is still hemorrhaging revenue as a result of digital piracy."


Moore says that piracy is a "crisis affecting not just an industry - but artists, musicians, jobs, consumers, and the wider creative sector."

On the "positive" side, the report applauded the shut down of LimeWire and the traffic block of the Pirate Bay in a few nations.

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67 user comments

120.1.2011 17:14

I wouldn't really blame piracy, because music these days are dirt cheap anyway. Unlimited downloads for a month from zune with one flat rate and with the speeds we have now. Music isn't what is use to be anyway, too many fakes, lairs and ghost writers.

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220.1.2011 17:19

Originally posted by biglo30:
I wouldn't really blame piracy, because music these days are dirt cheap anyway. Unlimited downloads for a month from zune with one flat rate and with the speeds we have now.
Well, piracy and mp3 devices. Helped us to have that free for all music now. This will only made the product better. Musicians have to actually have to make good music and tour to make their living. The days are gone of paying 15 dollars for 5 good tracks on a 20 track album. And they only have themselves to blame for that.

320.1.2011 17:45

Originally posted by bigfamei:
Originally posted by biglo30:
I wouldn't really blame piracy, because music these days are dirt cheap anyway. Unlimited downloads for a month from zune with one flat rate and with the speeds we have now.
Well, piracy and mp3 devices. Helped us to have that free for all music now. This will only made the product better. Musicians have to actually have to make good music and tour to make their living. The days are gone of paying 15 dollars for 5 good tracks on a 20 track album. And they only have themselves to blame for that.
Completely agree. I still buy music if the album is really good but the problem is that most new albums are garbage except for a few tracks. Big contrast from the mid-90s when us consumers had no choice.

420.1.2011 17:53
lissenup2
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Regarding myself.........Don't blame me because GOD granted me the knowledge and ability to circumvent DRM and buying CDS. There are still PLENTY of people that buy music.

520.1.2011 18:01

Music has also sucked since 2003... Why the big shock?

lol :P

621.1.2011 0:26

Haven't bought a single song for over a decade. Having access to completely legal music streaming services such as Slacker and Pandora has eliminated any need to do so since I hardly ever feel the need to listen to a specific song. Simply set-up a playlist of my favorite artists and all is well.

721.1.2011 1:36

Majority of businesses world wide would be struggling spose that's due to piracy as well people are more than likely prioritising where they spend,dam idiots the global downturn is still on going,sales over here prove that not to mention travel


821.1.2011 1:53

The main problem is with the school system...teaching kids to share should be a crime...after all, sharing is a crime. We need to teach the children never to share; SHARING IS COMMUNISM!!!

Radio is also to blame...it was bad enough that they were giving free advertising to the media cartels by playing the worst music they could find...now they actually pay the cartels for music that seems to be even worse than before.

If we got rid of music sharing and radio, then new crap would not become big crap, talented musicians would at least have a fighting chance to grab a few ears, and the media cartels would crumble once all the artists realized that the only way to get a song heard was to avoid signing with the cartels so that the radio station did not have to pay to give them free advertising.



921.1.2011 3:56

6% is still growth though and with this licensed music it gets annoying after you end your subscrition with a service and the songs are useless

1021.1.2011 4:02

This is IFPI's usual guilt-trip again. "The Music Industry is Dying and you, the end user are to blame. Not down to the fact that we have failed to embrace new technologies until after others did. Not because since the late 90s, we have flooded the music scene with manufactured boybands and over use of post-production gimmicks. It's you!"

Seriously though, while I don't condone piracy, the music industry failed to move with the times until it was too late, allowing those that did to take advantage. If filesharing didn't exist, there would have been some other excuse that it was the public's fault for the industry's decline.

1121.1.2011 5:12

Originally posted by TBandit:
6% is still growth though and with this licensed music it gets annoying after you end your subscrition with a service and the songs are useless
I believe the 6% is the Digital market growth has finally slowed in 2010 after having triple digit growth, not the music industry's growth... As it started:

Originally posted by Article:


Digital music revenue has grown 1000 percent in the time frame, but growth has slowed from triple digits earlier in the century to just 6 percent in 2010.




But I would agree with anyone that statement is confusing, isn't the "Digital Market" still part of the record industry? Lies, lies, and statistics....

1221.1.2011 6:44

Got to be due to piracy, nothing to do with 2003 being the height of the boom with folk having disposable income pouring out of their backsides and now being the trough of the bust with folk cutting out all none essential purchases. No, nothing at all to do with that!

1321.1.2011 8:55

Great we can buy single songs, albums are not a good deal with only a few songs that are good.
Concert tickets are so outrageously priced I won't even pay to see my favorite artists.

If everyone controlled prices like Garth Brooks did more music would sell.

Most of the artists who are established have more money than most of the fans (We) will ever hope to have.

1421.1.2011 10:03

Idiots.
They get a fledgling market to make massive initial growth and it settles to a steady 6% and that's bad?!
What are those guys on?

As usual there's absolutely no mention of the at or near record profits the entertainment business (music, film & gaming) is making tho eh?
Nope, concentrate on the crap nobody in their roight mind would buy and say it's all down to piracy.....and insult everyone's intelligence by ignoring the fact that it's the almost exclusively the stuff that sells and is most popular that gets shared most.

Well boo hoo hoo.

'Piracy' has nothing to do with anything, the plain fact is we have aging populations across the western world and older people simply tend to enjoy the collections they already have more than feeling the need to keep on buying new stuff which as has been rightly said is of little or no interest or quality
(I did the dance music thing myself years ago but computer rhythms & sound effects whilst great on a Sat night never were my fav listening at home - and you can place the X-factor type manufactured BS where the sun don't shine).

If I couldn't download digital versions of what I already bought at least once on vinyl (and sometimes a 2nd time on cassette) I'd be buying turntables to USB & cassette players to USB & making my own.

.....and the industry would still try to tell me and everyone else their ludicrous crap that I'm 'killing music/aiding terrorists/the mafia/paedophile networks etc etc'

1521.1.2011 10:06

The digital market lifted off with Apple and the iTunes as it is basicly a household name, yes digital music has taken over the market but are they not getting royalties from digital content like iTunes.

Please just because we don't go to music stores anymore does not mean that we don't buy music. Holy Jingle does the music industry make me laugh article after article.

If you take out the pirates not only will more turn up but we would still go to online stores because we are not forced the crap that you want us to buy. Socity has grown brains and balls and said screw you i will download my music at 99 cents a song which gives me freedom.

As noted above with albums having one or 2 good songs and the rest mass produced crap and they wonder why we rather digital then give them a higher cut.

Not even if iTunes was banned and taken down no one would still go back to the music shop. the Evolution of music started with the vinyl, tape, cd and now digital.

Oh wait they can't because they lost their trust in the people for ripping them off which is why they can not evolve to today's standards.

1621.1.2011 10:24
68vista
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Back in 2003 we were blessed with hi-fidelity music formats like DVD-A and SACD, and audiophiles were really pleased to hear great music like DSOTM in 5.1 surround. But the problem was DVD-A and SACD were competing formats, and unlike BLU-RAY vs. HD-DVD, they both lost. Now there's nothing new or exciting in music to tingle our senses.

1721.1.2011 11:14

With the economy on the ropes, the government paying crooks in the banking industry for illegal behavior and printing money like there is no tomorrow, it grieves me to listen to a bunch of whining ba$tards cry about their loss of profit. Join the club you little $hits!

1821.1.2011 11:36
lissenup2
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Originally posted by Morreale:
Music has also sucked since 2003... Why the big shock?

lol :P
Yeah.............ummmmm..........no............I really wish people like you would stop using the bullsh*t lame excuses for both the movie and the music industry producing "crap" or content that "sucks" as a valid reason to steal and pirate EVERYTHING.

Like you don't listen to any music or watch any movies.

Do the world a favour and pay for SOME things rather than leeching and sucking the world dry.


Peace!

1921.1.2011 12:13

but a lot of the industry does not have any talent

Take Justin Bieber for example, just a chew toy to the record company's leaching off the teenagers giving their pocket money to get more merchandise.

:P

2021.1.2011 12:50
lissenup2
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Originally posted by Zealousi:
but a lot of the industry does not have any talent

Take Justin Bieber for example, just a chew toy to the record company's leaching off the teenagers giving their pocket money to get more merchandise.

:P
He doesn't have talent according to YOU or me and pretty much every one that is over the age of 17 but there are a lot of kids 17 and under that would disagree so every one MUST stop forcing their ways and opinions on the entire world. We all have different tastes and those with tastes that don't coincide with people like you should what??????????................go by the wayside and in turn the music industry should be punished by stealing EVERYTHING????

That's a bullsh*t mentality, unreasonable, irrational, close-minded, arrogant, egotistical and should be eliminated. You are no longer allowed to be behind the big red button that decides the fate of us all.

2121.1.2011 12:50
aj
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While Jesus takes his time to come back...i see Lil Wayne, T.I shine and bling bling.

B.O.B sold millions, the dude made it.


So if their revenus are lower than Michael Jackson Thriller CASSETTE-TAPE SALES... yeah, but its part of this era.

CD's and mp3's.

If you want to make more money, go back to tape, cassettes...eliminate mp3.


what!

2221.1.2011 13:01

The recording industry has lost a significant amount of potential revenue for sale of CDs and DVDs to the video games. This might come as a shock to the recording industry that many people would rather play a video game.

The recording industry has lost a significant amount of potential sales of music recorded on CDs to portable digital music players which can store thousands of songs.

Would you rather cary 100 CDs and Sony Walkman or an Apple iPod when you jog through the park?

You can purchase one DVD which contains one movie or two months of NETFLEX service and watch hundreds of movies streaming over the Internet.

Many people have downloaded all purchased DVDs on home server which can stream video to every laptop, netbook or workstation on the local area network at home.

Why should we drive our car or truck to the retail store to purchase a CD or DVD? I could listen to music streaming from thousands of radio stations around the world over the Internet. I could listen to music broadcast from radio station on radio or digital TV.

Why should the recording industry not have a loss of revenue when millions of people no longer have jobs? When the CEO gets a 100 million dollar bonus for terminating the employment of 50,000 workers why should the recording industry expect sales to increase. The CEO does not buy as many CDs and DVDs as the 50,000 workers without a job.


John Swanson

2321.1.2011 13:45

I didn't read all the other posts. Sorry if this has been repeated.

I once read that musicians themselves, actually don't make much at all, off the discs/cassettes that are sold. Percentage wise, it was like a single penny on the dollar. It's simply their managers...agents, record companies that get the stronger percentage. Concerts, shows, merchandise...THAT'S where a band thrives! I laugh about news reports like this. Piracy might effect the corporate big wigs end figures, but the musicians themselves? Give me a break...

If a musician is that awesome, Believe it or not, I will go out of my way to buy it. Nine inch nails for instance is Epic! 009 Sound System, I bought most of their music off of amazon! The trouble is, there really aren't any good musicians out there. Just a bunch of wanna be's, who haven't gotten really good yet. Where have the 80's gone? LOL!




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2421.1.2011 14:12
lissenup2
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I didn't read all the other posts. Sorry if this has been repeated.

I once read that musicians themselves, actually don't make much at all, off the discs/cassettes that are sold. Percentage wise, it was like a single penny on the dollar. It's simply their managers...agents, record companies that get the stronger percentage. Concerts, shows, merchandise...THAT'S where a band thrives! I laugh about news reports like this. Piracy might effect the corporate big wigs end figures, but the musicians themselves? Give me a break...

If a musician is that awesome, Believe it or not, I will go out of my way to buy it. Nine inch nails for instance is Epic! 009 Sound System, I bought most of their music off of amazon! The trouble is, there really aren't any good musicians out there. Just a bunch of wanna be's, who haven't gotten really good yet. Where have the 80's gone? LOL!
Actually, you're right on the money. Artists make an average of 7 cents/album. Money is definitively made from touring. 35 dollar t-shirts, hats, 50 sweatshirts, etc. Not my opinion here..........absolute fact. Pink Floyd in 1995 with Rolling Stones, set records of 104 and 109 million respectively on tour. People should feel no guilt what-so-ever for freely downloading music without paying as it's free promotion. Hence why so many bands like NIN, RadioHead just give away.

I don't believe in using excuses for jacking music/movies like "If the industries didn't produce crap blah blah blah". Take your music because it doesn't harm anyone except the production companies who are in turn screwing the artists and BUY SOME MOVIES ON DISC FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. I grab plenty of movies free but have 50 blu-rays and 250 DVDs that I bought and continue to buy more.

2521.1.2011 14:47

@KillerBug
Sharing is a good thing and cannot be compared to communism, thatís a big stretch. Children should share and be team oriented not selfish, spoiled, and self-serving only. Balance is the key no extreme is good. But I do agree that teachers are too socialistic these days but it is a loose tie to piracy.

Radio may have some blame in this market to a small degree but your analogy of pay-o-la is definitely wrong as it is NOT a new thing. Record companies & promoters have been paying radio stations to play up certain songs since the 50ís and before. This has not changed even though at times they get caught. Also the radio stations still pay royalties on music they play as the RIAA still wants their cut.

As you also state sharing music is a form of advertising but if I copy a CD, or song, for someone and give it to a friend they most probably wonít buy that CD or song which kills all advertising aspects.

@68vista
SACD and DVD-A werenít necessarily competing formats, CDís and SACDís were. Even with that CDís were hardly affected when competing with SACD even though Super Audio was superior. The copy protection and a lack of players for SACD killed their market and were due to proprietary greed. DVD-A was a different beast as it is a music video format with typically higher fidelity than a CD. DVD-A hasnít lost and now we have ports to Blu-Ray, I still buy music in both video formats and can rip the audio to CDís or singles as needed. Format wars really has nothing to do with buying music other than getting better quality and downloads isnít about better quality, it is about the thrill of downloading only.

In General
The music GODís have screwed themselves due to greed and too much power. If they would lower prices on CDís to a reasonable amount more people would buy CDís. If they would lower ticket prices more people would go to concerts. By making everything more reasonable, proper pricing, piracy would be MUCH less and more of an advantage from an advertising aspect.

I see people here making statements about digital music as if that was ONLY MP3ís, or downloadable music. This is totally wrong as CDís are digital too and were the introduction to the digital market for music in the evolution from vinyl.

Buying MP3ís is not cheaper than buying a CD unless you only buy on or two songs which is part of the problem for the mastering companies and the artists involved. And today it is true that most music is crap which doesnít help either. I still buy music in CD, DVD-A, and BD-Aís but it is from 90ís or before not anything from todayís market for the most part. I also go to concerts on occasion but if it is over $40 for a good seat I donít go which again would eliminate anything current as they typically go around $100 a seat.

Economy is the biggest problem and in this economy if I had 6% growth Iíd be happy unless I was extremely GREEDY. There are plenty of companies with a LOSS if not going belly-up these days so again you have to put things in prospective.

2621.1.2011 15:53

Originally posted by lissenup2:
Originally posted by omegaman7:

I once read that musicians themselves, actually don't make much at all, off the discs/cassettes that are sold. Percentage wise, it was like a single penny on the dollar. It's simply their managers...agents, record companies that get the stronger percentage. Concerts, shows, merchandise...THAT'S where a band thrives! I laugh about news reports like this. Piracy might effect the corporate big wigs end figures, but the musicians themselves? Give me a break...
Actually, you're right on the money. Artists make an average of 7 cents/album. Money is definitively made from touring.
Right. I did read however, that big name acts (Madonna, Eminem, many others) were making as much as $1-1.50 per CD in the early/mid-2000s.



2721.1.2011 16:21

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by lissenup2:
Originally posted by omegaman7:

I once read that musicians themselves, actually don't make much at all, off the discs/cassettes that are sold. Percentage wise, it was like a single penny on the dollar. It's simply their managers...agents, record companies that get the stronger percentage. Concerts, shows, merchandise...THAT'S where a band thrives! I laugh about news reports like this. Piracy might effect the corporate big wigs end figures, but the musicians themselves? Give me a break...
Actually, you're right on the money. Artists make an average of 7 cents/album. Money is definitively made from touring.
Right. I did read however, that big name acts (Madonna, Eminem, many others) were making as much as $1-1.50 per CD in the early/mid-2000s.


I think you mean per song and not CD but you are absolutely correct if you pay a $1+ per song buying a CD's worth of songs increases the price tag significantly.

At a $1/$1.50 per CD Iíd go on a buying rampageÖ. LOL


2821.1.2011 18:12

I blame the shite standard of music that's aimed at nine year olds. The other factor is Simon Cowell and the crap he shoves down our throat.

2922.1.2011 3:49

As your collection of music CDs increase in size then storage becomes an issue. We use Windows Media Player to download contents of CD to create a music library. Now you can create a playlist and listen to your music from your workstation or laptop.

The RIAA considers this piracy. Today, there is no way to know whether a particular digital copy of a song is alright to downloaded. Ownership of the copyright to the song can be disputed. How do you obtain permission to use copyrighted music when you do not know how to contact the holder of the copyright.

SCO claims to own UNIX copyright. SCO claims to own copyright of code developed by IBM. Novell claims to own UNIX copyright.

Who or what owns the copyrights to Beatles music?

3022.1.2011 5:38

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

I believe the 6% is the Digital market growth has finally slowed in 2010 after having triple digit growth, not the music industry's growth... As it started:

Originally posted by Article:


Digital music revenue has grown 1000 percent in the time frame, but growth has slowed from triple digits earlier in the century to just 6 percent in 2010.






So it started at 1000% growth and has slowed to 6% since then? I find that hard to believe, that is a HUGE decline. I think they meant overall growth is down to 6%. Digital is still growing with new streaming services and changes to existing ones. Streaming/subscription services are where it is at now. People are mobile, the days of carrying around a Sony Walkman (tape/cd version) are LONG over. Primary revenue needs should be digital or the industry will continue to die.

3122.1.2011 9:19

Originally posted by 68vista:
Back in 2003 we were blessed with hi-fidelity music formats like DVD-A and SACD, and audiophiles were really pleased to hear great music like DSOTM in 5.1 surround.
That's true and I have several (bought) SACDs & DVD-Audio's myself, but the thing is, for me at least, they were bought for the higher fidelity.

The mass-market has never shown any interest in the level of kit required to even hear that properly
(it's one of the amusing things about high definition discs being sold on the back of lossless audio, only a tiny fraction will ever bother to have the speaker package alone required to even hear it properly).
Hence the popularity of .mp3's convenience over quality.

Don't get me wrong, 5.1 sound is fun......but that's about it, albums like DSOTM were never created and intended to be 'surround sound' tracks......and I'll take the artists intent over the record company attempting to cash in & exploit customers over new reproduction tech anyday of the week.
For most musis 2.1 audio makes more sense, but then that's a lower number......it's back to the 'no, but this goes up to number 11' mentality, really isnt it?

Now someone like Dave Gilmour or Peter Gabriel creating specifically for the 'sound field' 5.1, 7.1 etc can give is another matter entirely.

But still, it takes all sorts, whatever floats your boat.

3222.1.2011 9:49

Well, then quit blaming everybody else and only blame yourself for the decline in music sales. Most of the crap of today is not worth buying anyways, and I'm not the only one who thinks this. They need to try a new way before trying to go and blame others for their mistakes. Remember, two wrongs don't make a right.


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3322.1.2011 10:36

It's the idiot lie that underpins all of this that I just find incredible it goes unchallenged.

Sharing (which isn't actually 'piracy' by any sane definition anyways, pircay is counterfeit goods being sold) has not stopped the big bands or films or games making vast amounts of money.
....and 99.9% of all sharing is stuff people have heard of and want, ie the already enormously successful.
None of that has actually been 'hurt' in any meaningful way.....and pretending it's been 'killing' anything is laughable (as those 'home taping is killing music' ads from the 1970's are)



Lying liars lying to us, again, as their huge profit levels prove.

(and holding up the struggling artists is just a joke, as said at best they get a few pennies on the $/£.....and if new talent is struggling then how come an industry making so much money isn't supporting them better.....they have all the f*&$ing money!)

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3422.1.2011 15:04

Its the bean counting non-creative leeches that are loosing the money, not the artists (hopefully). So long as the artists continue to tour and release their work on the net free of the talentless something-for-nothing leeches, both they and the consumers (so long as someone doesn't let the greed factor take over) will continue to reap the benefits of cheaper entertainment. Which is what I assume is what everyone wants. Promotion has been the biggest lie in the music (entertainment as a whole actually) industry since its inception, now that the internet has become commonplace the public as a whole has started to see just what a farce that actually is.

3522.1.2011 22:01

I like how they use a future date in their estimates of how much losses the industry will suffer. If they can't be bothered to come up with real data for the present, how can they possibly come up any real data for 4 years into the future?

3622.1.2011 23:56

Bands will just have to tour more! :) you can't download a concert experience!


Concordia res parvae crescent

3723.1.2011 4:29

Originally posted by thepohl:
Bands will just have to tour more! :) you can't download a concert experience!
Really? You can't? You might want to tell the Dead that as there are more bootleg concerts in circulation than they have albums.

3823.1.2011 4:38

Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by 68vista:
Back in 2003 we were blessed with hi-fidelity music formats like DVD-A and SACD, and audiophiles were really pleased to hear great music like DSOTM in 5.1 surround.
That's true and I have several (bought) SACDs & DVD-Audio's myself, but the thing is, for me at least, they were bought for the higher fidelity.

The mass-market has never shown any interest in the level of kit required to even hear that properly
(it's one of the amusing things about high definition discs being sold on the back of lossless audio, only a tiny fraction will ever bother to have the speaker package alone required to even hear it properly).
Hence the popularity of .mp3's convenience over quality.

Don't get me wrong, 5.1 sound is fun......but that's about it, albums like DSOTM were never created and intended to be 'surround sound' tracks......and I'll take the artists intent over the record company attempting to cash in & exploit customers over new reproduction tech anyday of the week.
For most musis 2.1 audio makes more sense, but then that's a lower number......it's back to the 'no, but this goes up to number 11' mentality, really isnt it?

Now someone like Dave Gilmour or Peter Gabriel creating specifically for the 'sound field' 5.1, 7.1 etc can give is another matter entirely.

But still, it takes all sorts, whatever floats your boat.
I've got around $20k to $30K in a sound system would that qualify as OK?

I also have the Master Recorded version of DSOTM on vinyl as well as the standard version and a SACD as well. I listen to it in 7ch stereo and it sounds fantastic at moderate levels or above. Playing most stereo recordings doesn't work well and looses in the expansion. Even some of my DVD-A's that provide both Hi-Res PCM and 5.1 it is still better to use stereo (PCM). If the music was mastered for surround sound then it would sound better that way but you still loose a little fidelity.

I'm waiting for Tommy Bolin to master something in 5.1.... LOL
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3923.1.2011 8:14

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by thepohl:
Bands will just have to tour more! :) you can't download a concert experience!
Really? You can't? You might want to tell the Dead that as there are more bootleg concerts in circulation than they have albums.
Listening to live bootlegs and watching videos from a concert is not the same as being at the concert. The dead definitely do have a bunch of bootleg concert videos and tapes, but that is not the same as being at A DEAD CONCERT Ya know what I mean? Concerts are so amazing and it sure as hell beats sittin on your couch watching a video of the show. Ya smellin what i'm steppin in?
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Concordia res parvae crescent

4023.1.2011 10:04

The music industry has enjoyed superprofits for so long that they have failed to note that superprofits are always short lived.

For many centuries music was not a profession that enjoyed fabulous incomes.

It's been a good run, be happy with that. The extended honeymoon you had in the golden days of selling sound recordings are over guys... Elvis has left the building.


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4123.1.2011 11:03

there was a time when an artist had to sell a million records to get a gold disc in the eighties it dropped to 100.000 thats before computers were even out there life changes and it's time they grew up and changed with it.its not pirates its the darn industry the artists have always made their money from touring they get a pittance from royalties.


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4223.1.2011 13:34

Originally posted by thepohl:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by thepohl:
Bands will just have to tour more! :) you can't download a concert experience!
Really? You can't? You might want to tell the Dead that as there are more bootleg concerts in circulation than they have albums.
Listening to live bootlegs and watching videos from a concert is not the same as being at the concert. The dead definitely do have a bunch of bootleg concert videos and tapes, but that is not the same as being at A DEAD CONCERT Ya know what I mean? Concerts are so amazing and it sure as hell beats sittin on your couch watching a video of the show. Ya smellin what i'm steppin in?
People still download them and still enjoy the experience otherwise they wouldn't exist would they. But you are right it is still better to have the experience live, at least the first time. However I've been at concerts were the studio albums were better than the Live performance so it isn't always true of course. Heck I was at the Alice Cooper concert that someone exploded a tear gas bomb on the concert floor, want to talk about a fun concert. Pretty hard to bootleg a tear gas bomb! But I suppose it could be done.

4323.1.2011 13:45

Quote:
Mr-Movies
I've got around $20k to $30K in a sound system would that qualify as OK?
'Course it does, anyone who's spending the $5 - 6k+ required qualifies.
You also know that you are in the tiny minority and most simply will never have the interest or inclination to go that far with their audio stuff.
True quality kit costs, always has done always will and for that reason is very rarely ever a mass-market thing, so why expect the mass-market to be that bothered in the first place?
They usually cotton on pretty fast that the quality offered v cost is of no real interest to them.
No being condescending just realistic.
That's all I was getting at.

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I also have the Master Recorded version of DSOTM on vinyl as well as the standard version and a SACD as well. I listen to it in 7ch stereo and it sounds fantastic at moderate levels or above.
You too eh? It's a love thing, right?
:¨D

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Playing most stereo recordings doesn't work well and looses in the expansion. Even some of my DVD-A's that provide both Hi-Res PCM and 5.1 it is still better to use stereo (PCM). If the music was mastered for surround sound then it would sound better that way but you still loose a little fidelity.
+1
.....and as I said whilst a new different take on something can be fun I far prefer the original artists intention - for me it's like colorising old classic movies, interesting for a short period but it's just 'right' as intended.

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I'm waiting for Tommy Bolin to master something in 5.1.... LOL
Ah God bless him, missed to this day my friend, loved his DP work.

4423.1.2011 21:10

Originally posted by thepohl:
Bands will just have to tour more! :) you can't download a concert experience!
Let's have another Woodstock concert.
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4524.1.2011 6:18

it was wet muddy and chaotic a real shambles and no naked girls they were added after how about another NEWPORT


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Still playing Black Hawk Down why did I upgrade?

4624.1.2011 7:25

How about the music business & the talent-lite moldable wannabes they prefer to promote stop pretending that being an artist is all about striking it mega rich & then being an egotistical & narcissistic abusive fool ever after having done that with that awesome 'career of 1 or 2 singles & an album or 2?

(cos the truth in any event is that the record Co. gets almost all the money &the best the 'talent' can hope for is some presenting job on low audience cable/satellite TV for a couple of years)

True artists want their art out there & history shows most great artists weren't rich idle idiots and kept up the stream of work (providing they survived their demons).


4724.1.2011 8:08

Originally posted by Interestx:
How about the music business & the talent-lite moldable wannabes they prefer to promote stop pretending that being an artist is all about striking it mega rich & then being an egotistical & narcissistic abusive fool ever after having done that with that awesome 'career of 1 or 2 singles & an album or 2?

(cos the truth in any event is that the record Co. gets almost all the money &the best the 'talent' can hope for is some presenting job on low audience cable/satellite TV for a couple of years)

True artists want their art out there & history shows most great artists weren't rich idle idiots and kept up the stream of work (providing they survived their demons).


This is what I was getting at. Perhaps we can only hope that maybe removing the expectation that you should get mega-rich may sort the wheat from the chaff?

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


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4824.1.2011 11:29

In other news singer/artist Akon is giving away a customised lamborgini.snoop dogg owns a mansion with a recording studio in it.pretty sure eminem and dr dre own mansions.pretty sure most these so called struggling artists own mansions and flash cars.poor fergie might not be able to afford more plastic surgery.britney spears might not be able to afford personal chefs for her tours.dr dre might have to release more than 1 album in the next 10years to pay for all them cars with a smashed front end he raps about.john farnham might have to do another fairwell tour.elton john might have to sell one of his 50million pairs of glasses.guess you can kinda see my point.


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4924.1.2011 12:52

.....much as I like the black album and appreciate Kirk Hammett's guitar playing I doubt I've ever been quite so nauseated at that ad with them sitting around their mansion swimming pool shilling for the billion $ 'industry' they have obviously embraced to the full, whining about how 'piracy' (they meant sharing) was hurting honest struggling artists and musicians.

F***ing sickening & I've never felt the same about them since.

That is not a trait of a true artist.

5024.1.2011 20:26

Al Yankovic --- Don't Download This Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGM8PT1eAvY

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5124.1.2011 22:47

Originally posted by john_swan:
Al Yankovic --- Don't Download This Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGM8PT1eAvY
i clicked the link and it said this video contains content from vevo,who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

some of the music by weird al yankovic is hilarious.

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5225.1.2011 1:43

We are able to watch this video in the United States.

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act(DMCA)is an example of legislation enacted to support a treaty. There will be legal challenges to DMCA. As technology changes copyright laws will continue to change. Court decisions will help everyone understand our responsibility when it comes to fair use of copyrighted material.

Today, a public library purchases copyrighted material for use by people in the community. You can check out copyrighted material for a period of time. Many people share the copyrighted material over its lifetime.

Using current technology we should be able to create a public library to serve the public over the Internet. The developers of operating systems could create files which expire after some period of time. The copyrighted material would become available for check out.

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John Swanson

5325.1.2011 1:47

and they can shove their drm right up their arse.. the public have already spoken in this regard.. we will pay to rent a physical item.. but we will not pay to rent something non physical.. we buy outright or they can gtfo!!

good riddance to the parasitical "music business" .. all the rich leeches.. when you see shows like Cribs where some talentless rapper with 1.. yes 1 minor hit has a multi million house.. twats.. talentless shite for stupid brainwashed people..




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5425.1.2011 3:43

For every wealthy musician there are fifty starving musicians. The top 2 percent of musicians earn 90 percent of the income. These are the people our government protects because they can influence elected officials with generous campaign contributions; most of the rest of us consider them bribes.

Our CD sits on the dash of car on a warm day and takes on the shape of a potato chip. We have to buy a new CD.


John Swanson

5526.1.2011 0:46

Originally posted by john_swan:
For every wealthy musician there are fifty starving musicians. The top 2 percent of musicians earn 90 percent of the income. These are the people our government protects because they can influence elected officials with generous campaign contributions; most of the rest of us consider them bribes.

Our CD sits on the dash of car on a warm day and takes on the shape of a potato chip. We have to buy a new CD.
just think for every weathly person in this world how many starving and homeless people there are in the world.

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5626.1.2011 3:52

A true friend shows up on moving day with a truck to help you move.

5726.1.2011 10:47

Originally posted by pcrepair:
it was wet muddy and chaotic a real shambles and no naked girls they were added after how about another NEWPORT
I don't know which Woodstock you went to, but the one I went to had more than enough glistening boobage in both the morning and evening dew. And for your information... That was in in 1969...

5826.1.2011 11:04

Originally posted by Interestx:
How about the music business & the talent-lite moldable wannabes they prefer to promote stop pretending that being an artist is all about striking it mega rich & then being an egotistical & narcissistic abusive fool ever after having done that with that awesome 'career of 1 or 2 singles & an album or 2?

(cos the truth in any event is that the record Co. gets almost all the money &the best the 'talent' can hope for is some presenting job on low audience cable/satellite TV for a couple of years)

True artists want their art out there & history shows most great artists weren't rich idle idiots and kept up the stream of work (providing they survived their demons).


This is exactly what I was attempting to quote on earlier!!! You were just much more eloquent in your explanation. Disney and its child-grinding machine is the biggest example of this kind of behavior. I can't wait for Justin Biber, Baber, Embiber (however you spell the newest finger banging sensation's name this year) to end up face down in the gutter with a needle in each arm, bags under his eyes and a laundry list of legal actions against him after he has tried to take on the Entertainment Leviathan once he thinks breaks his artistic cherry and tries his hand at being a real artist... only to possibly find out that he either is or isn't; which in either case Disney still won't let him do shit. And we all have seen what happens to celebrities that take on Beelzebub of ABC, right? Other than Kurt Russell, I'm not 'immediately' aware of another child star/performer from the Disney grind house that made it out.

I just use this as an example by which most artists have to compete with in some varied degree. Hopefully, with a bit more exposure of this sort, the public could see that the "industry's" oh-woe-as-me cry for help can frankly go pound sand.

But as an artist myself, I have found that everyone loves my work. Simply raves about it. Can't get enough of it. Until they have to pay for it. Its at this point that even I find myself becoming a hypocrite at times...

5928.1.2011 17:19

LordRuss

I thank you.
+1 mate
+ fecking 1

6012.2.2011 0:04

When the music industry promotes people who can actually sing (no Autotune crap), and when digital online resellers provide songs in a lossless, DRM free format I will purchase more music. Why should I pay for compressed garbage? I like my DVDAs (and other high fidelity formats) and I have the equipment to appreciate them. I am able and willing to pay for music - I paid $156 USD for a MFSL vinyl on which was only one song I liked - but it was for the sound quality that I purchased it. Give me quality & I will pay for it - simple as that.

6112.2.2011 0:15

"give me quality & I will pay for it - simple as that."
Here here! :)

I have mediocre equipment, and I appreciate good music. Period! Long live nine inch nails :p




To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question!

6212.2.2011 1:27

The recording industry should stop production runs of music CDs in China. The artwork, burning and packaging costs about 0.20 dollars per CD in China. The product sells for about 15 dollars per CD in US. The recording industry's manufacturer in China will distribute music CDs within China for more money than the recording industry pays them.

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John Swanson

6315.2.2011 13:36

Originally posted by john_swan:
The recording industry should stop production runs of music CDs in China. The artwork, burning and packaging costs about 0.20 dollars per CD in China. The product sells for about 15 dollars per CD in US. The recording industry's manufacturer in China will distribute music CDs within China for more money than the recording industry pays them.
Just to be a conceited prick (me) and knowing full well that the 'industry' will not come into this forum and correct me (and damn sure not with a valid figure); given the inflation rate [from albums in the 70's to today] I believe artists are making between 13 and 17 cents (liberal figures here) per album from a mainstream recording company that allows the artist to maintain his or her recording/publishing rights. Its still between 3 and 7 cents (sorry, US currency) per album if the record company hold the rights.

If the Recording artist owned everything there was to own about the 'industry' then the loss due to this supposed international turmoil known as piracy would be of concern, but we (most of the public as a whole) simply know this isn't true... if there is one thing the US has mastered it is the art of fucking someone else out of what doesn't belong to them.
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6415.2.2011 19:30

Originally posted by LordRuss:
...the art of fucking someone else out of what doesn't belong to them.
= unregulated capitalism (in their case).



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6515.2.2011 22:09

My first thought on reading the article title, is that it has also lost about 9 tenths of its quality!

6619.2.2011 18:00

An oldtimer who over the years have purchased 2000 33 1/3 LP'S or more with many fillers as the industry called the many tracts of junk foisted on us pay back is a dirty word to them the artests were the ones I alys felt sory for.

6718.5.2011 18:49

Originally posted by john_swan:
A true friend shows up on moving day with a truck to help you move.
A friend helps you move. A *true* friend helps you move a body... ;-)

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