Netflix posts list of fastest American ISPs

Not exactly a fair test to just go by the company...I always connect through verizon...sometimes through my 3G cell phone, sometimes through 30mbps FIOS...they don't seem to separate these.

And what about the rest of internet activity? I ma sure not all of the bandwidth is allocated to NETFLIX.

I am just waiting for the backlash from the ISPs against netflix. They better hope that the ISPs don't make a move to tiered bandwith...like the cell providers have....or they will be out of customers....then they would have to limp back to dvd customers. That would be funny.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Not exactly a fair test to just go by the company...I always connect through verizon...sometimes through my 3G cell phone, sometimes through 30mbps FIOS...they don't seem to separate these.

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Do you really stream Netflix though your phone?

Eh I'd be more suprised to hear someone made a call with their smart phone...lol

Originally posted by frag4bandwidth:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Not exactly a fair test to just go by the company...I always connect through verizon...sometimes through my 3G cell phone, sometimes through 30mbps FIOS...they don't seem to separate these.

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Do you really stream Netflix though your phone?

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I doubt it since I don't think they have an app for that from Netflix. And why would you? Yuk! He has a 3G SLOW phone I couldn't imagine streaming anything of quality with that.

This is definately going to raise the rates for hi-speed ISP's.

Surely this would turn into the same fight as cellphone companies. For every person that agrees with the rankings there will be plenty of vocal people speaking of their negative experiences. And just like these arguments, I'm sure it will vary greatly from location to location even from within the same cities.

On the other hand - I definately wouldn't do this if I were Netflix. There would always be more negative to come from doing this. Plus, does this feel like 'biting the hand that feeds you'? (not including the top ranked ISP of course)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by frag4bandwidth:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Not exactly a fair test to just go by the company...I always connect through verizon...sometimes through my 3G cell phone, sometimes through 30mbps FIOS...they don't seem to separate these.

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Do you really stream Netflix though your phone?

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I doubt it since I don't think they have an app for that from Netflix. And why would you? Yuk! He has a 3G SLOW phone I couldn't imagine streaming anything of quality with that.

This is definately going to raise the rates for hi-speed ISP's.

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My droid is rooted; so I have wifi tethering on my laptop. Yes, netflix does work like this, and the quality isn't bad either...it isn't DVD quality, but it is better than a typical MPEG4 DVD rip. It is enough to make me impressed with Microsoft Silverlight...and that takes A LOT!!!

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Just looked closely at that graph. No wonder my it works over 3G...the average of that graph seems to be a bit lower than what I get from 3G with only 3/4 bars of signal.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by frag4bandwidth:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Not exactly a fair test to just go by the company...I always connect through verizon...sometimes through my 3G cell phone, sometimes through 30mbps FIOS...they don't seem to separate these.

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Do you really stream Netflix though your phone?

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I doubt it since I don't think they have an app for that from Netflix. And why would you? Yuk! He has a 3G SLOW phone I couldn't imagine streaming anything of quality with that.

This is definately going to raise the rates for hi-speed ISP's.

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My droid is rooted; so I have wifi tethering on my laptop. Yes, netflix does work like this, and the quality isn't bad either...it isn't DVD quality, but it is better than a typical MPEG4 DVD rip. It is enough to make me impressed with Microsoft Silverlight...and that takes A LOT!!!

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Well that is the way to do it, you don't need to pay twice for your hook up. I'm going to switch over to 4G soon for both home and mobile, I didn't want to do that with 3G as there isn't enough bandwidth for me. In fact 4G might not be enough either but I can ride it out until 5G speeds comes along I suppose.

You probably won't see consumer-grade 4G for at least 10 years. The current "4G" offerings are nowhere close to the minimums of the 4G spec.

Sprint makes a bit noise about their fast 4G, but it is only fast in a few places, and it is not reliable. Now verizon is going to start pushing their own fake 4G, but it really isn't faster.

The truth is that 3G supports speeds up to 14mbps, and no one offers those speeds through a phone; not even a "4G" phone.

That said, verizon 4G will probably be the fastest service overall, as their LTE will be the fastest thing on the air, and the fallback 3G network is already very fast (if this graph is correct, it is faster than many wired "high speed" connections)

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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You probably won't see consumer-grade 4G for at least 10 years. The current "4G" offerings are nowhere close to the minimums of the 4G spec.

Sprint makes a bit noise about their fast 4G, but it is only fast in a few places, and it is not reliable. Now verizon is going to start pushing their own fake 4G, but it really isn't faster.

The truth is that 3G supports speeds up to 14mbps, and no one offers those speeds through a phone; not even a "4G" phone.

That said, verizon 4G will probably be the fastest service overall, as their LTE will be the fastest thing on the air, and the fallback 3G network is already very fast (if this graph is correct, it is faster than many wired "high speed" connections)

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Well Sprint has it where I live and it is 700Mbps to each device which isn't bad and isn't great either but with the mobile features and part of my phone I could live with that. As to stability I'm sure since it is new gear there will be some issues but I have issue with the LAN service too so I guess that wouldn't hold me back. With broadband they brag about 12-16Gb service but I've never seen that and for the longest time I only was getting around 700M, now I get 1G to 2G on a good day.

Wow the standard for 4g is more like a joke... So to be 3g 200kbit/s is all you need to provide... 4g at least 100Mbit/s... Hmmm technology dont have these big jumps... the max 3g has done so far is 14.7Mbit/s... So if you a speed of 200kbit/s or 99Mbit/s you still 3g... Thats a huge gap IMO

Originally posted by i1der:

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Wow the standard for 4g is more like a joke... So to be 3g 200kbit/s is all you need to provide... 4g at least 100Mbit/s... Hmmm technology dont have these big jumps... the max 3g has done so far is 14.7Mbit/s... So if you a speed of 200kbit/s or 99Mbit/s you still 3g... Thats a huge gap IMO

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3G max is 2Mbps and 4G max is 1Gbps so that's 500x times faster and you don't have to pay usage so what are you smoking?

All I know is I have the fastest internet service around... I was with both Bellsouth and Comcast and I can tell ya Charter has ALWAYS been faster on just about everything... I think it makes sense, for home useage anyway: Some cable companies have trouble keeping a signal at a constant rate of speed, so prolonged data monitoring is the way to see, rather than a test that lasts barely 1 or 2 minutes...

Peak times are always the worst for the bandwidth sharing. Years ago we were going to get dedicated DSL lines but then they went with ADSL so you end up sharing bandwidth with your neighbors anyway like broadband cable providers. Actually you have listed the providers from worst to best in order good job.

Originally posted by frag4bandwidth:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Not exactly a fair test to just go by the company...I always connect through verizon...sometimes through my 3G cell phone, sometimes through 30mbps FIOS...they don't seem to separate these.

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Do you really stream Netflix though your phone?

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My neighbor would tethered his phone to his PC and at times and found it was often much faster then his cable through Comcast. The only reason he tried it in the first place was his cable would cause the video to pause and break up while viewing. Downside to this while his phone had an "unlimited" plan, he found once he hit so many GB's transferred in a month the bandwidth slowed to the speed of 2400baud modem. This was few months back and the phone carrier changed their policies for "unlimited" and strictly forbid using the phone to tether a connection as he was doing...

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by i1der:

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Wow the standard for 4g is more like a joke... So to be 3g 200kbit/s is all you need to provide... 4g at least 100Mbit/s... Hmmm technology dont have these big jumps... the max 3g has done so far is 14.7Mbit/s... So if you a speed of 200kbit/s or 99Mbit/s you still 3g... Thats a huge gap IMO

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3G max is 2Mbps and 4G max is 1Gbps so that's 500x times faster and you don't have to pay usage so what are you smoking?

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3G max is 14.7mbps, and 4g min is 100mbps...that is only about 7x faster. You can forget about that "minimum for stationary devices" of 1gbps...We will be on 5G and calling it 1000G by the time we see those speeds.

No, 99Mbit/s is not 3G...the upper end of 3G is defined to some very clear standards and can never be faster than 14.7mbps. LTE will take over from there, and eventually evolve into 4G...be we are talking about a very long time...and that plan may change if someone invents something better in the next 10 years.

I guess it depends on speed and which att internet, because at my sister's house she has uverse and it takes 4mins to load up netflix through Playstation 3 console and computer.

At my place it's fast (charter internet 25 or something mb speed)

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by i1der:

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Wow the standard for 4g is more like a joke... So to be 3g 200kbit/s is all you need to provide... 4g at least 100Mbit/s... Hmmm technology dont have these big jumps... the max 3g has done so far is 14.7Mbit/s... So if you a speed of 200kbit/s or 99Mbit/s you still 3g... Thats a huge gap IMO

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3G max is 2Mbps and 4G max is 1Gbps so that's 500x times faster and you don't have to pay usage so what are you smoking?

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3G max is 14.7mbps, and 4g min is 100mbps...that is only about 7x faster. You can forget about that "minimum for stationary devices" of 1gbps...We will be on 5G and calling it 1000G by the time we see those speeds.

No, 99Mbit/s is not 3G...the upper end of 3G is defined to some very clear standards and can never be faster than 14.7mbps. LTE will take over from there, and eventually evolve into 4G...be we are talking about a very long time...and that plan may change if someone invents something better in the next 10 years.

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You’re taking max to min that is not apples to apples the 500x does work. As I said, early into the development and I can get 700M which is still 45+ times faster than your claim of 14.7M. I'm sorry but that is still huge and like I said it is OK when you look at saving money and having a workable ISP provider. I could never do this with 3G and again NO USAGE fees so I'm not straddled by horribly slow 3G, I don't pay extra fees for usage, and I eliminate my LAN ISP for one that is stationary and mobile. And yes STATIONARY counts, for me it is MORE important as that is really what I would use at my home and Condo. Internet on my cell phone is really not as important as home/hotel/friends locations using notebooks and/or PC's to surf the web.

You can get wireless 700mbps internet? Where do you live? Inside an MIT research lab? I never claimed 14.7mbps from my phone...I am lucky to get 2.5mbps on a good day when close to the tower...verizon just does not want to let me have any more...they could easily give me more, but they scale it back to prevent me from using it for more things than I currently do.

You seem to be on two parallel paths...on one hand you want everything on one device, to save money by tethering from your phone. On the other hand, you want a high speed stationary device with an antenna that you could not use when on the go...you can't have it both ways without paying twice...and by the time real 4G is here, your smart phone will be more important than your wallet, so forget about getting a phone that just does calling.

I'm in the Minneapolis, MN area and we just got 4G Sprint here. My condo is in Ft. Myers and they do not have 4G down there yet but will soon. I can use 3G down there under roaming which isn't great but could work until 4G is available there. I'm surprised Verizon is limiting you they are normally a pretty good provider.

No I'm not on two parallel paths and don't get everything in one device, I would get everything in 2+Phones devices, (1) USB EV-DO cellular dongle for my Homes Gateway Router, (1) cellular dongle router for Notebooks and PC's on the road, and all cell phones (EVO's I think) for mobile phone access. I could use the EVO's as a connection as well to a PC for a single share too.

Yes I can have it both ways without paying twice that is exactly why I would go this route and have verified I can do so with several providers not just Sprint.

Originally posted by mightyzog:

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I am just waiting for the backlash from the ISPs against netflix. They better hope that the ISPs don't make a move to tiered bandwith.

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The ISPs already have tiered bandwidth. The Comcast-L3 fight over Netflix content is really a fight over whether or not L3 can directly connect its Netflix content into Comcast ports at a price, or be forced to send its Netflix content over the regular internet backbone to Comcast at no extra cost but much lower performance.

With direct connection to ISP ports, the ISPs get money from both the consumer and the content provider. It's not clear the new FCC "net neutrality" regulations will do anything to stop this, since it doesn't say ISPs are required to accept direct connections to their ports from anyone for free (or a minimal one-time set-up charge).

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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I'm in the Minneapolis, MN area and we just got 4G Sprint here. My condo is in Ft. Myers and they do not have 4G down there yet but will soon. I can use 3G down there under roaming which isn't great but could work until 4G is available there. I'm surprised Verizon is limiting you they are normally a pretty good provider.

No I'm not on two parallel paths and don't get everything in one device, I would get everything in 2+Phones devices, (1) USB EV-DO cellular dongle for my Homes Gateway Router, (1) cellular dongle router for Notebooks and PC's on the road, and all cell phones (EVO's I think) for mobile phone access. I could use the EVO's as a connection as well to a PC for a single share too.

Yes I can have it both ways without paying twice that is exactly why I would go this route and have verified I can do so with several providers not just Sprint.

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I think you have been taking in by false advertising. Sprint does not offer 4G anywhere on earth...they only offer an extremely limited version of WiMax; it isn't even 4G slowed down like the LTE that verizon is offering; it has nothing to do with 4G at all. Even the company selling this service to sprint (clearwire) does not call it 4G; they call it WiMax. Under ideal conditions, and with a special account, and with no one else connecting to the tower that you are using, you will never get anything close to 4G speeds from sprint WiMax...you won't even see the upper-end of 3G speeds, and you couldn't, even if the entire company dedicated all available resources to one test. The technology simply isn't any more capable of delivering bandwidth than good 3G...and it is nowhere near fast enough for a home connection.

Earlier you said you get 700M from your phone...are you sure it isn't 700K? That sounds a bit low, but it is at least theoretically possible.

That is NOT true just call them up and they tell you what they offer. Your wrong with Clearwire and Sprint!

Also I didn't say 700M to my phone I said 700M to stationary devices it's no wonder you can't get it straight.

http://developer.sprint.com/site/global/home/4g/sprint_clearwire/sprint_clearwire.jsp

It is on sprint's own website. I am sure that the sales rep you called told you whatever you wanted to hear. 50 PB per second? Sure sir, just sign up with me and I'll get my commission...I mean, you will get your 50 PB.

...and you did say it was 700M mobile...multiple times...you even claimed you were getting "2G" once, but I am not 100% sure you were referring to the mobile for that. If you do have some kind of high-speed corporate-level internet connection wired to your home, that isn't exactly the "Consumer Grade Mobile". Heck, it isn't even consumer grade wired...and now you want to go to something that will never get to 10mbps, even for a second? Where did I miss something? I think I would have noticed if sprint was offering 16Gbps internet to home users.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Well Sprint has it where I live and it is 700Mbps to each device which isn't bad and isn't great either but with the mobile features and part of my phone I could live with that. As to stability I'm sure since it is new gear there will be some issues but I have issue with the LAN service too so I guess that wouldn't hold me back. With broadband they brag about 12-16Gb service but I've never seen that and for the longest time I only was getting around 700M, now I get 1G to 2G on a good day.

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You are WRONG and your BS about the CS agent is in your own little head. Also when I talked about MOBILE several times over so you state I qualified it as the USB router you can get to hookup to your PC and ALWAYS refered to phones seperately. Once again you just don't get it and have read into things in the manner you wish.

If you read with your eyes open and brain clear, now that will be a problem, you'll see that I was talking about LAN line connections of 1G to 2G when they quote 12G+ service. You really need to wake up when you read through this and stop jumping to conclusions that are not there.

Again, I've talked to BOTH Sprint and Clearwire directly and both of their stories are the same, hence what I've said is correct. You can think whatever you wish son but at the end of the day I can do what I'm stating I can do. And if you do not want to except that fine that is your problem!

The USB dongles (Not routers) are using the same service as the cell phones; other than a bit of background data by the phone apps and maybe a tiny speed loss from the tethering, it is the same speed. The only difference is that they don't make phone calls. Have you actually done any speed tests on your WiMax phone? Do you really get 700mbps? That would be rather incredible for a slew of reasons.

Who quotes 12G+ service? Sprint? Seems a bit hard to believe...at least at a consumer level. How do you even test such a connection? That is faster than the speed test servers. No, I cannot "except" that sprint is offering 12Gbps wired service to home users. Nor can I "except" that you are getting 700mbps on your phone, yet you want to "upgrade" to something that won't get you 10mbps.

No, I am not going to call sprint and ask them for their 700mbps cell phone...I am not an idiot. Even if they were 4G (and they are not), sprint would only be offering 100mbps.

To tell the truth, it is very hard to follow what you are saying, and I only jump to conclusions that are not there because you didn't provide any reasonable conclusions...you seem to conflict with yourself a lot...maybe if I asked some no-bs questions, I could get a strait answer...

-Does Sprint offer 12Ggbps home internet? If so, where?
-Is it your intention to use the service that sprint sells as 4G for home internet, and how fast do you think it would be?
-How fast is your current mobile internet connection, and how fast is your current landline (wired) internet connection?
-Did sprint tell you that they offer 700mbps MOBILE internet? If so, did they say that you will actually get 700mbps (or any minimum), or did they just say that was the theoretical limit of the technology?
-What exactly is the story that is the same...are they both saying you will get 700mbps mobile? Are they both claiming that they offer 4G (by definition, an LTE connection of at least 100mbps)? Are they the ones who told you that the limit of 3G is just 2mbps?
-When you say "1G" and "2G", are you refering to 1gbps and 2gbps, or to 1G and 2G data plans that are sometimes referred to as "EDGE" networks? Also, do you think that "3G" and "4G" phones get 3gbps and 4gbps respectively?
-Do you know the difference between Kb, Mb, and Gb? It seems like a dumb question, but most of your numbers would be accurate if you switched Gb to Mb and Mb to Kb.

Seriously...do a tiny bit of research rather than just going with whatever a sales rep tells you. If you have ANY internet connection of 700mbps, then it is way beyond consumer grade, and if you think you will get speeds even 10% as fast from any so-called 4G device, then you are either mistaken or insane. You can't even get 70mbps consumer-grade internet in most places. I'm done trying to help you...if you insist on lying to yourself (and everyone else), then you deserve the crummy connection you get.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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The USB dongles (Not routers) are using the same service as the cell phones; other than a bit of background data by the phone apps and maybe a tiny speed loss from the tethering, it is the same speed. The only difference is that they don't make phone calls. Have you actually done any speed tests on your WiMax phone? Do you really get 700mbps? That would be rather incredible for a slew of reasons.

Who quotes 12G+ service? Sprint? Seems a bit hard to believe...at least at a consumer level. How do you even test such a connection? That is faster than the speed test servers. No, I cannot "except" that sprint is offering 12Gbps wired service to home users. Nor can I "except" that you are getting 700mbps on your phone, yet you want to "upgrade" to something that won't get you 10mbps.

No, I am not going to call sprint and ask them for their 700mbps cell phone...I am not an idiot. Even if they were 4G (and they are not), sprint would only be offering 100mbps.

To tell the truth, it is very hard to follow what you are saying, and I only jump to conclusions that are not there because you didn't provide any reasonable conclusions...you seem to conflict with yourself a lot...maybe if I asked some no-bs questions, I could get a strait answer...

-Does Sprint offer 12Ggbps home internet? If so, where?
-Is it your intention to use the service that sprint sells as 4G for home internet, and how fast do you think it would be?
-How fast is your current mobile internet connection, and how fast is your current landline (wired) internet connection?
-Did sprint tell you that they offer 700mbps MOBILE internet? If so, did they say that you will actually get 700mbps (or any minimum), or did they just say that was the theoretical limit of the technology?
-What exactly is the story that is the same...are they both saying you will get 700mbps mobile? Are they both claiming that they offer 4G (by definition, an LTE connection of at least 100mbps)? Are they the ones who told you that the limit of 3G is just 2mbps?
-When you say "1G" and "2G", are you refering to 1gbps and 2gbps, or to 1G and 2G data plans that are sometimes referred to as "EDGE" networks? Also, do you think that "3G" and "4G" phones get 3gbps and 4gbps respectively?
-Do you know the difference between Kb, Mb, and Gb? It seems like a dumb question, but most of your numbers would be accurate if you switched Gb to Mb and Mb to Kb.

Seriously...do a tiny bit of research rather than just going with whatever a sales rep tells you. If you have ANY internet connection of 700mbps, then it is way beyond consumer grade, and if you think you will get speeds even 10% as fast from any so-called 4G device, then you are either mistaken or insane. You can't even get 70mbps consumer-grade internet in most places. I'm done trying to help you...if you insist on lying to yourself (and everyone else), then you deserve the crummy connection you get.

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When I ask some of my friends who are not so tech-savvy about what speed is there internet, they reply its 100 mbps! because it shows up in connection status!! whereas the actual internet plan they have is 1 mbps at best!

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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The USB dongles (Not routers) are using the same service as the cell phones; other than a bit of background data by the phone apps and maybe a tiny speed loss from the tethering, it is the same speed. The only difference is that they don't make phone calls. Have you actually done any speed tests on your WiMax phone? Do you really get 700mbps? That would be rather incredible for a slew of reasons.

Who quotes 12G+ service? Sprint? Seems a bit hard to believe...at least at a consumer level. How do you even test such a connection? That is faster than the speed test servers. No, I cannot "except" that sprint is offering 12Gbps wired service to home users. Nor can I "except" that you are getting 700mbps on your phone, yet you want to "upgrade" to something that won't get you 10mbps.

No, I am not going to call sprint and ask them for their 700mbps cell phone...I am not an idiot. Even if they were 4G (and they are not), sprint would only be offering 100mbps.

To tell the truth, it is very hard to follow what you are saying, and I only jump to conclusions that are not there because you didn't provide any reasonable conclusions...you seem to conflict with yourself a lot...maybe if I asked some no-bs questions, I could get a strait answer...

-Does Sprint offer 12Ggbps home internet? If so, where?
-Is it your intention to use the service that sprint sells as 4G for home internet, and how fast do you think it would be?
-How fast is your current mobile internet connection, and how fast is your current landline (wired) internet connection?
-Did sprint tell you that they offer 700mbps MOBILE internet? If so, did they say that you will actually get 700mbps (or any minimum), or did they just say that was the theoretical limit of the technology?
-What exactly is the story that is the same...are they both saying you will get 700mbps mobile? Are they both claiming that they offer 4G (by definition, an LTE connection of at least 100mbps)? Are they the ones who told you that the limit of 3G is just 2mbps?
-When you say "1G" and "2G", are you refering to 1gbps and 2gbps, or to 1G and 2G data plans that are sometimes referred to as "EDGE" networks? Also, do you think that "3G" and "4G" phones get 3gbps and 4gbps respectively?
-Do you know the difference between Kb, Mb, and Gb? It seems like a dumb question, but most of your numbers would be accurate if you switched Gb to Mb and Mb to Kb.

Seriously...do a tiny bit of research rather than just going with whatever a sales rep tells you. If you have ANY internet connection of 700mbps, then it is way beyond consumer grade, and if you think you will get speeds even 10% as fast from any so-called 4G device, then you are either mistaken or insane. You can't even get 70mbps consumer-grade internet in most places. I'm done trying to help you...if you insist on lying to yourself (and everyone else), then you deserve the crummy connection you get.

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You still don't get it you’re not comprehending the difference between LAN line connections (Cable Companies & DSL) so as you stated you’re not and idiot maybe you should reevaluate that statement.

Like I said think what you want it doesn't make you right as you’re not here but I'm not going to continue to keep having this ridicules banter with you as you are obviously not capable of comprehension which is not uncommon.

Please give me a link to the page where sprint (or whoever you use) advertises 12Gbps internet for home users.