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Judge gives Sony the right to acquire all IP addresses of visitors to Geohot site

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 05 Mar 2011 14:51 User comments (63)

Judge gives Sony the right to acquire all IP addresses of visitors to Geohot site A federal judge has ruled this week that Sony can subpoena the Web host for George 'Geohot' Hotz's website, and acquire all the IP addresses of anyone who has visited his site in the last 26 months.
Furthermore, Sony also won subpoenas for data from YouTube, and for Geohot's Twitter account.

Sony has accused Hotz of violating the DMCA by publishing a master key for the PS3 that allows others to run homebrew on the console.

As part of the ruling, web provider Bluehost must give "documents reproducing all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms" of Hotz's site. Furthermore, Sony must receive "any other identifying information corresponding to persons or computers who have accessed or downloaded files hosted using your service and associated” with the www.geohot.com website, including but not limited to the “geohot.com/jailbreak.zip file."

Sony was given the subpoena rights for two reasons; one to prove that Hotz "distributed" the hack and the other so Sony can prove that its lawsuit in San Francisco will not have to be transferred over to a court in New Jersey, Hotz's home state. Sony says seeing the IP addresses will prove that a significant amount of the hits were from California compared to New Jersey, so San Francisco is a more "proper venue."

The YouTube subpoena is for the video "Jailbroken PS3 3.55 with Homebrew" posted by Geohot and demands all the data for anyone who watched the video or commented.

You can check the PDFs of the ruling here at Wired: Judge Lets Sony Unmask Visitors to PS3-Jailbreaking Site

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63 user comments

15.3.2011 15:25

Hard hit indeed. Totally wrong. $ony has someone in the courts in their pocket.

25.3.2011 15:30

If you're all not already boycotting Sony products, you should probably start right now.

35.3.2011 15:32
DazKon
Unverified new user

If you do not agree with this fascist crap, DO NOT PURCHASE A SONY PRODUCT. Vote with your money.

45.3.2011 15:40

I don't understand why I cannot buy a device and run whatever programs on it I want.

Didn't I buy the thing and am I not allowed to use it how I want?

55.3.2011 15:45
jlm007
Unverified new user

How much did Sony Execs slide into the judges pocket before this ruling came out?

65.3.2011 15:56
challanj
Unverified new user

I dare Sony to come into my house and tell me how to use the products I purchase. All the money in the world won't save their coward a$$.

75.3.2011 16:02

I want to sign up

85.3.2011 16:38

So does this mean if someone hacks my email or facebook, i can get the courts to force them to turn over all the ip's from these sites?

95.3.2011 16:42

What does visiting a site or watching a video going to prove? I visited the the site AND i watched the video...but i didn't hack my PS3 because i don't see a need to do that. I have no problem buying my games at all, and i have no desire to risk bricking my PS3 on someones wonky, pieced together, half-assed custom firmware.
So what are they going to sue ME for?
Because i was interested in what they did? It's not against the law to look. And my lawyer is family so they better be ready for all out war at no cost to me if they dare subpoena me just for looking.

Also I've been a long time supporter of boycotting Sony. I bought my PS3 at a pawn shop used (no money to Sony) I buy ALL my games used (no money to sony or developers) I buy all my peripherals used too (no money to sony) It sucks to wait and buy a game months later used instead of at launch...but i think they've way overstepped their bounds and i refuse to support them.

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105.3.2011 17:40

Originally posted by jookycola:
What does visiting a site or watching a video going to prove? I visited the the site AND i watched the video...but i didn't hack my PS3 because i don't see a need to do that. I have no problem buying my games at all, and i have no desire to risk bricking my PS3 on someones wonky, pieced together, half-assed custom firmware.
So what are they going to sue ME for?
Because i was interested in what they did? It's not against the law to look. And my lawyer is family so they better be ready for all out war at no cost to me if they dare subpoena me just for looking.

Also I've been a long time supporter of boycotting Sony. I bought my PS3 at a pawn shop used (no money to Sony) I buy ALL my games used (no money to sony or developers) I buy all my peripherals used too (no money to sony) It sucks to wait and buy a game months later used instead of at launch...but i think they've way overstepped their bounds and i refuse to support them.
thats the way i buy my products well most of them used ps3 use on ebay games used on ebay/pawnshop/blockbuster

115.3.2011 17:42

oh by the way i watched it too try and sue me for watching it i guess they should try and sue me for watching a public website that millions go too i don see that going far

125.3.2011 19:50

I guess I don't know Sony's end game here. Great you now have the IP addresses of people who visited the site. What are they going to do with that information? I mean, how many of those people even have PS3s? My guess is that they are going to try and filter the IP addresses against the PS online IP addresses to make a group to further narrow down anyone that may be pirating and go from there. I doubt they would straight up ban any matching the same IP address because they would then be putting their company in line with a class action lawsuit without proof that a violation has occured. That is just my forecast. Sony is showing some teeth.

135.3.2011 20:23

Just bought another PS3...Woo-hoo! ;-)

145.3.2011 21:17

sony is looking at intent im sure the will only get the total amount of visits only or the will have to supply an ip address to see if its on the list. after all how many hacked ps3 are on the ps3 network i have not updated my ps3 i like the other os have not used it but still .read about this and seen a few videos on it but my eyes are not bought from sony they cant tell me what i can see or what i cant see.... got to go i have to re-register my eyes and hearing with microsoft or they will stop working

155.3.2011 22:46

before everyone gets too fired up , remember that direct tv sued everyone that had anything to do with hacking their system . it cost them a lot of money and court time for very little gain , but they did it anyway .

165.3.2011 23:06

Yea Sony has my IP, now what are you going to with it? My console isn't hacked, are you going to sue me for looking at sites? Okay then.

What I expect to happen is sony will match the IPs to the same ones dedicated to your PSN account *as long as the PS3 is registered under the same name as your ISP it should give them the intel they seek*. Basically if they see you did not hack your PS3 and that its on the correct official firmware enabled on PSN, they will not pursue charges. Tho, likely, they'll put those of us who have a hack free system, on a watch list; as they'll be worried they would be hacked.

I would really laugh tho if California rules in favor of altering the DMCA like they did with Apple's iphone. Then all Sony can do then is ban people, they won't be able to take them to court over it.

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175.3.2011 23:22

edited by ddp F*cking Murphy, Calm down $ony. This is taking it way to far.

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186.3.2011 1:40

Everybody needs to make this story go Viral immediately Sony is going to a path beyond the Microsoft Case..a dangerous path,their greed and jealousy is getting the best of them. They themselves broke the law in 2005. Sony made computers got weakened by drm in their music cds that opened up backdoors with no uninstall. It got so bad the DHL(Department of Homeland Security) got involved besides states suing Sony.

Hell Kevin Butler one of their own posted the Root Key of the PS3 by accident but does Sony fire his ass...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO course not.

196.3.2011 2:01

I just watched the video Sony come and get me. Charge me with malicious viewing.

206.3.2011 2:31

Originally posted by xtend:
before everyone gets too fired up , remember that direct tv sued everyone that had anything to do with hacking their system . it cost them a lot of money and court time for very little gain , but they did it anyway .
I didn't get sued, the hacking thing just stopped working haha...

Sony might as well sue others for hacking psp as well geezes
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216.3.2011 2:48

im not a lawyer but im pretty sure they cant sue you for watching a video on hacking.


custom built gaming pc from early 2010,ps2 with 15 games all original,ps3 500gbs with 5 games all original,yamaha amp and 5.1channel surround sound speakers,46inch sony lcd smart tv.

226.3.2011 2:56

Originally posted by Mysttic:
Yea Sony has my IP, now what are you going to with it? My console isn't hacked, are you going to sue me for looking at sites? Okay then.

What I expect to happen is sony will match the IPs to the same ones dedicated to your PSN account *as long as the PS3 is registered under the same name as your ISP it should give them the intel they seek*. Basically if they see you did not hack your PS3 and that its on the correct official firmware enabled on PSN, they will not pursue charges. Tho, likely, they'll put those of us who have a hack free system, on a watch list; as they'll be worried they would be hacked.

I would really laugh tho if California rules in favor of altering the DMCA like they did with Apple's iphone. Then all Sony can do then is ban people, they won't be able to take them to court over it.


It is doubtful that they would pursue charges anyway against a volume that large (greater than 1000). For starters it would be too costly for getting little if any return and would negativly impact their consumer base to the public. Chances are they would just ban just like MS for TOS.

236.3.2011 7:19

Yeah i think this is more likely to prove from the access logs who was actually feeding information into the site and not to start any attack on those who then sought the information.

.... but still sony, this has now gotten to a situation that has got so miss managed its not even funny any more. If you reading this its time to take the monkeys of the PR machine and let in some real help...

.... Ultimately sony this may not be immediately costing you but the long term damage prospects are the real concern and take a long hard look at your ten year game plan and where this is going to cause it go.

Its not to late sony .... not yet, its one thing to make a mistake and then try and correct it, its another thing to make it, ignore the knock on effect and then when it starts to rain you realise its to late to go and get the umbrella.

think about it guys . . .

246.3.2011 8:21

well i guess if you talked to geo online,,now your a target of sony,, `




microsoft after a ban wave

256.3.2011 8:26

If your a contributor and not a consumer there is a difference from sony's point of view, they don't really like either at the moment, but I think feel they have to peruse someone or something and they feel this is the best way to do it.

Its not, its just sony dont understand why...

266.3.2011 9:11

There's another step they'd have to take if they wanted to find out most people from the IP address logs. Except for those w/ static IPs they 'own,' they'd have to get further court orders for ISPs to identify the actual users of those IP addresses at any specific time, which is generally harder to do unless they can prove to the court(s) it's absolutely necessary.

276.3.2011 9:34

I think for the people who they are looking for they have their IPs already, they just need to prove they were connected to that server.

286.3.2011 13:13

I'm no $ony fan but I really think they might just want to show where the people who recived the info are from so they can keep the suit in San Fran...Of course they can't sue you for watching a video or visiting a site...less you're talking kiddie porn...


Just my $0.02,

dEwMe

296.3.2011 17:04

Quote:
Sony was given the subpoena rights for two reasons; one to prove that Hotz "distributed" the hack and the other so Sony can prove that its lawsuit in San Francisco will not have to be transferred over to a court in New Jersey, Hotz's home state. Sony says seeing the IP addresses will prove that a significant amount of the hits were from California compared to New Jersey, so San Francisco is a more "proper venue."
Seems a few people need to read the post before commenting, this has nothing to do with bringing lawsuits against those who visited the site or even hacked their ps3, it's so that sony can have the trial in their preferred court room.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it past sony to bring lawsuits against users eventually, but that's not what this is about.

306.3.2011 23:39

Originally posted by mostopher:
Quote:
Sony was given the subpoena rights for two reasons; one to prove that Hotz "distributed" the hack and the other so Sony can prove that its lawsuit in San Francisco will not have to be transferred over to a court in New Jersey, Hotz's home state. Sony says seeing the IP addresses will prove that a significant amount of the hits were from California compared to New Jersey, so San Francisco is a more "proper venue."
Seems a few people need to read the post before commenting, this has nothing to do with bringing lawsuits against those who visited the site or even hacked their ps3, it's so that sony can have the trial in their preferred court room.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it past sony to bring lawsuits against users eventually, but that's not what this is about.
I saw that and I see where you getting at. The only thing which I am having trouble understanding is why they needed the physical IP addresses? If they wanted to know the geographical location they only needed to supeona the web hoster to submit the information similar to how a bank would divulge personal information pertaining to a client if supeoned. They went straight to the vein and we all know that those IP addresses will be retained for later use.

316.3.2011 23:59

thats whats going to happend........ your damn right it will for sure!!

327.3.2011 2:11

Originally posted by mostopher:
Quote:
Sony was given the subpoena rights for two reasons; one to prove that Hotz "distributed" the hack and the other so Sony can prove that its lawsuit in San Francisco will not have to be transferred over to a court in New Jersey, Hotz's home state. Sony says seeing the IP addresses will prove that a significant amount of the hits were from California compared to New Jersey, so San Francisco is a more "proper venue."
Seems a few people need to read the post before commenting, this has nothing to do with bringing lawsuits against those who visited the site or even hacked their ps3, it's so that sony can have the trial in their preferred court room.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it past sony to bring lawsuits against users eventually, but that's not what this is about.
the only reason sony would need there I.P addresses is to hack the peoples computers or track them down for possible future court appearance.

custom built gaming pc from early 2010,ps2 with 15 games all original,ps3 500gbs with 5 games all original,yamaha amp and 5.1channel surround sound speakers,46inch sony lcd smart tv.

337.3.2011 2:59
tayzlot
Inactive

Originally posted by jookycola:
What does visiting a site or watching a video going to prove? I visited the the site AND i watched the video...but i didn't hack my PS3 because i don't see a need to do that. I have no problem buying my games at all, and i have no desire to risk bricking my PS3 on someones wonky, pieced together, half-assed custom firmware.
So what are they going to sue ME for?
Because i was interested in what they did? It's not against the law to look. And my lawyer is family so they better be ready for all out war at no cost to me if they dare subpoena me just for looking.

Also I've been a long time supporter of boycotting Sony. I bought my PS3 at a pawn shop used (no money to Sony) I buy ALL my games used (no money to sony or developers) I buy all my peripherals used too (no money to sony) It sucks to wait and buy a game months later used instead of at launch...but i think they've way overstepped their bounds and i refuse to support them.
Amen

347.3.2011 8:01

Originally posted by plissken13x:
I saw that and I see where you getting at. The only thing which I am having trouble understanding is why they needed the physical IP addresses? If they wanted to know the geographical location they only needed to supeona the web hoster to submit the information similar to how a bank would divulge personal information pertaining to a client if supeoned. They went straight to the vein and we all know that those IP addresses will be retained for later use.

They probably just want to count the number of unique IP addresses that connected to the site to figure out actual traffic and other similar stats. But yeah, they can't do much else w/ the data w/o asking ISPs to ID the actual users of the IP addresses at the specified times, which again, the courts are far more likely to not approve requests for unless there is a demonstrable need. The IP addresses and server logs are far more generic information.

357.3.2011 9:28

What does the geographic area where the most hits matter? I'm confused on that. If Geohotz is in Jersey, and did the hacking, uploaded the info and basically committed the crime there, shouldn't that be where the case should be pursued?

If just based on hits, what happens if the most hits came from Switzerland where companies like Sony have no power? Then what? That doesn't make any sense to me really, how can Sony get the right to decide where to have a lawsuit?



367.3.2011 19:15

Quote:
the only reason sony would need there I.P addresses is to hack the peoples computers or track them down for possible future court appearance.
Quote:
Sony was given the subpoena rights for two reasons; one to prove that Hotz "distributed" the hack and the other so Sony can prove that its lawsuit in San Francisco will not have to be transferred over to a court in New Jersey, Hotz's home state.

377.3.2011 19:34

Quote:
vintagesax88

Newbie


Sony has every right to sue Hotz, and has the right to obtain the IP addresses of those who visited Hortz’s website.

To see why I am right:
http://besttechtoday.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-sony-is-right-to-sue.html
Another newbie account spamming the board. This is another obvious Sony made spin account. I'll tell you what vintagesax88 you tell us why Sony shouldn't be sued for removing OtherOS?


387.3.2011 20:05

Originally posted by jookycola:
Quote:
vintagesax88

Newbie


Sony has every right to sue Hotz, and has the right to obtain the IP addresses of those who visited Hortz’s website.

To see why I am right:
http://besttechtoday.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-sony-is-right-to-sue.html
Another newbie account spamming the board. This is another obvious Sony made spin account. I'll tell you what vintagesax88 you tell us why Sony shouldn't be sued for removing OtherOS?
The sad part is that this troll is somewhat half right. The only reason I even jumped on this thread is because I used to deal with intellectual property issues from various companies digital and physical and I have great interest in this case. Vintagesax88, you can't just say he violated the digital rights act without specifing what the exact violations were. The act is very broad and is broken into sub sections as with every other law. As far as it being constitutional, that is another debate. This is taking this topic into another area but no doubt Sony is chasing after infringments under the DMCA to nail GeoHotz. Technically how Act is written this scenario could fall under the DCMA but so could EVERYTHING else that comes to modification. You just rooted your Android phone, violation. You just popped open your Cisco router and extended the range, violation. You just modified a couple of desktop program which you were not the content holder, violation. I still do not believe they had the right to grab the IP addresses on the basis of a court venue. This is the same as asking a company to give me the social security numbers of your employees so I can see how many are female.

398.3.2011 8:59

"What does visiting a site or watching a video going to prove?"
To me, it proves people are interested in what can be accomplished. I visited the site in this period. Unfortunately for BLOny, I no longer own their console and accessed the information purely for informational means. Is curiosity criminal when it comes to their tech?. Aside, what abt their root kit they installed on so many computers, part of the BMG debacle?
Good luck, geohotz. Don't forget your coat"

408.3.2011 15:07

Sell your PS3s and do away with console gaming and move on with life. I lived a long time without the current generation consoles. I sold the rest and kept my 360 (because it is a JTAG). But I hardly ever use it.

418.3.2011 17:31

@hikaricor
I'm in total agreement. I've been boycotting fony for about five years now. I will even take friends/family to task for even considering any fony device.

/end rant

4211.3.2011 8:10

hey, what happened to the recent court case where apple couldnt restrict owners of there products to only there software, in tern making jailbreak ok.

I always thought when you buy a product its then yours to do with as you please, are we just renting from these companies?

And yeah i detest sony, i would never buy any of there products, they have lost sight of whats important, and there global image is, in my opinion, now of a money grubbing, sneaky, ethically challenged company. They would walk over there dying mothers to pick up another dollar.

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4311.3.2011 8:47

Originally posted by jookycola:
What does the geographic area where the most hits matter? I'm confused on that. If Geohotz is in Jersey, and did the hacking, uploaded the info and basically committed the crime there, shouldn't that be where the case should be pursued?

If just based on hits, what happens if the most hits came from Switzerland where companies like Sony have no power? Then what? That doesn't make any sense to me really, how can Sony get the right to decide where to have a lawsuit?
Sony paid off a Judge in Cali to give them the OK on this ridiculous IP fishing adventure. Sony now has to find a way to manipulate these records because they want to make sure the case goes to trial in that judge's courtroom since they've already paid for it.

We've had how many Supreme Court cases now ruling that the distribution of information, even information about a crime, is legal and protected speech? Sony has no case; they're simply using their money and power to punish Hotz as much as possible. He'd also have to travel to CA to defend himself.

Standard evil corporate behavior- if you can't win have your legal team bankrupt the opponent.

4411.3.2011 10:12

Done I will be boycotting ALL $ony products, as soon as both of my vaios go caput, I will never buy that brand again. I haven't purchased any of their products in about 4-5 years anyway. Even though I own a couple of PS3s I believe once you purchase it it is yours and you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with it. WHATEVER you want!! And that company should not have any say so. I think I'll be reading the fine print next time there is a product that might do this same BS. It's like saying when you buy a car you can't put anything or take off anything because the company would be suing you. F'N ridiculous! I personally don't play any homebrew games, and never bothered to install LINUX, I thought that it was a sweet option to be able to do that. In the end...it's all about money. I'm sure this Geohotz guy wasn't selling anything made by $ony and trying to pass it off as his and make a profit.

F $ony!!!
Oh, and I think it is a violation of my rights that when I purchased some games I was forced to upgrade the firmware or else was not able to play the game that I legally purchased. I should have sued $ony for not placing a disclaimer on the game saying that I would need to upgrade my firmware in order to play it. Had that been the case, it would have had an impact on whether I purchased the game or not. As well as a lot of other people. But oh well, $ony and their products will serve my purpose for as long as I want them to...and then they will just get trashed. I guess that's the only good thing about consumerism.

4511.3.2011 10:37

Coming from someone who has a love of modding things, car, computers, general tech and also think that once you have paid for it, YOU OWN IT.

Take for example a car, under sonys take on events it would mean.

NO AFTERMARKET MODS, no K and N, koni ,etc

If anyone did find a way to make an after market mod actually work, a service update would be issues and you wouldnt be able to take the car on the road again until it was applied.

On top of that when you bought the car you were told it was 2 wheel drive and could be switched to 4 wheel drive at any time, most people never used 4 wheel drive, some did. Then yet another service update was applied that removed 4 wheel drive mode..

Really if this was anything other than a games/console/electronics no one would stand for it... and i cant belive sonys getting away with it.

Staying with the cars, a mate recently got a new scirrco and had it chipped, first one in the uk to be done as far as we knew at the time. VW made it pretty hard to do, but eventually it was hacked, you dont see VW suing him to the stoneage for getting root access to his ecu so it could be reprogrammed....

SONY YOU SUCK D0NKEY C0X, and your playstation move looks like to lolly pops and should be dropped before you have to dig its grave.

4611.3.2011 11:35

arghhh this angers me, the comments above are all true, WTF SONY GONNA DO ABOUT US WATCHING A FLASH VIDEO!!!! yh i hacked the shit out on my psp, because it wasnt getting played 2 years ago & had 0 attention, then i hacked it n played games i never would of done before, if i had a ps3 i'd possibly do the same, but buy the games i enjoy, like smackdown n gta. MFers, must of been real p1ssed off that their precious ps3 got hacked up.

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4711.3.2011 12:14

If I watch a video on cooking does that instantly make me a great chef or watch one on painting does that make me a great artist!
Sort yourself out Sony, we watch what we want NOT what YOU want.
Never bought Sony, never will, stinking Rootkit peddlers.

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4811.3.2011 12:42

Quote:

ispy

If I watch a video on cooking does that instantly make me a great chef or watch one on painting does that make me a great artist!
Sort yourself out Sony, we watch what we want NOT what YOU want.
Never bought Sony, never will


Apples and oranges... If you're planning to poison the president or involving in fake painting heist, then yeah. Of course, you have every right to boycott Sony.

Quote:

Gdot73

arghhh this angers me, the comments above are all true, WTF SONY GONNA DO ABOUT US WATCHING A FLASH VIDEO!!!! yh i hacked the shit out on my psp, because it wasnt getting played 2 years ago & had 0 attention, then i hacked it n played games i never would of done before, if i had a ps3 i'd possibly do the same, but buy the games i enjoy, like smackdown n gta. MFers, must of been real p1ssed off that their precious ps3 got hacked up.


Calm down, if you done nothing wrong, you got nothing to worry about. Like the other guy said, if you watch a cooking video and you're not trying to poison the president, then what's the problem? Why are you being so paranoid? Boycott Sony seems to resolve your problem too.

Quote:
jookycola

Another newbie account spamming the board. This is another obvious Sony made spin account. I'll tell you what vintagesax88 you tell us why Sony shouldn't be sued for removing OtherOS?


People did sue for the OtherOS removal...

Quote:

baxter00

So does this mean if someone hacks my email or facebook, i can get the courts to force them to turn over all the ip's from these sites?


Yes, you can... If you're important enough or have enough money to buy your way.

Quote:

challanj

I dare Sony to come into my house and tell me how to use the products I purchase. All the money in the world won't save their coward a$$.


Sony did that to the hackers already, they took the PS3, computers... Hmmm, I don't think Sony is being cowardly and last time I checked Sony still have tons of money.

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lomtevas

I don't understand why I cannot buy a device and run whatever programs on it I want.

Didn't I buy the thing and am I not allowed to use it how I want?


Of course you can do whatever you want with things you bought, nobody can take that right from you. It was unthinkable just few hundred years ago that you can buy slaves and screw them whenever you want, forget about guns, cars, jets... What make you think gadgets can't be next? Just because you pay for it, it doesn't means you can do whatever you want it. It simply means you can do whatever you want within the "laws." And who makes the laws huh? Not you and me, but people with money... But yeah, it's you and me make them rich.

Quote:
DazKon

If you do not agree with this fascist crap, DO NOT PURCHASE A SONY PRODUCT. Vote with your money.


You're stating the obvious... But yeah, I like to point out that voting with your money only counts if your money can be SEEN. Capitalized to emphasize visibility...

4911.3.2011 12:56

I don't have a PS3 or any games console. I have now watched the video and visited the website.

I'm looking forward to telling Sony exactly where to go if they think I've done anything wrong.

5011.3.2011 13:20

Originally posted by pippincp:
I don't have a PS3 or any games console. I have now watched the video and visited the website.

I'm looking forward to telling Sony exactly where to go if they think I've done anything wrong.
Good for you, at least you stand tall and say your piece without paranoia.

Peace!

5111.3.2011 18:45

I also boycott Sony's products and have done so for many years now, mainly because of their shenanigans regarding DRM on MiniDisc recorders, ie: you don't have the right to upload your own personnal recordings via the USB port.

As I don't own a PS3 I'm not familiar with this "homebrew" firmware. But if someone wants to risk messing up their PS3 that's their business.

Reading all your comments proves that I'm not wrong in steering clear of this company's products. Looking back over the years since I stopped buying Sony, they have missed out on thousands of pounds worth of business in money I've spent on non-Sony merchandise; ie: TV sets, Computers, HiFi and DVD players etc etc.

Instead of taking George Hotz to court they should have offered him a position with the company; they could do with employing people who have a little creative imagination.

I hope that George challenges this ruling that the hearing be held in a place other than where the alleged offence took place.

Yes Newbie Spammer; "Legally" they may have the right. Morally they don't!

I will continue to spread the word and hopefully their market share will be reduced to zero.

5212.3.2011 0:00

This is stupid, if Sony gets the e-mail info etc. from all that viewed the video, what good is that? I imagine that there were more than a few that did and they are probably owners of the ps3 so if they prosecute/persecute them it seems they are cutting off some of their own bottom line profits. if i were a ps3 owner, i would move on to nintendo or elsewhere.


jimmurray1946

5313.3.2011 3:37

Hmmm.... I watched the video because I was curious how it worked, I don't have a ps3. I wonder what will happen with that...

5413.3.2011 19:11

I still wanna watch this video did anyone download it?

5513.3.2011 19:14

Originally posted by simms2011:
I still wanna watch this video did anyone download it?
What a question.... i would trying fishing some place else.

5613.3.2011 22:02

mmm fishing, now there something i havent done in a while

5714.3.2011 7:23

Watch it from work or a cyber cafe!!! :)


Trin - Making Digital Waves

5814.3.2011 10:25

wow,sony looks like doesnt want the incident from ps2 and ps hacks
(like modchip)start on ps3.But it to much!!

5914.3.2011 10:28

Sony should plow some of that cash back into Japan and help some people instead of wasting funds trying to make a point.


Trin - Making Digital Waves

6014.3.2011 12:22

Sony did donate stuff to help out Japan's earthquake and tsunami (among other tech companies)... Yes, Sony can donate more using the funds from this "ridiculous" witch hunt, but that's saying governments should stop spending money on wars and spend that money on feeding helpless kids instead...


Peace!

6114.3.2011 12:31

Governments are always run by the greedy and wicked. Until this changes war and hunger will always be.

Saying that.... This world is done anyway.
The atmosphere is collapsing, global volcanic activity increasing big time along with earthquakes and the magnetosphere is screwed.

I'm gonna enjoy what time we have left here because we don't know how long it's gonna last.

I warned people about a tidal wave in the Pacific last Wednesday on Facebook and they just laughed until the next day. Glad FB has a date and time stamp!


Trin - Making Digital Waves

6217.4.2011 18:36

I believe my time is too valuable to waste it with companies like sony. When they introduced DRMs and rootkits I stopped purchasing ALL sony and sony-related products. Problem is people keep purchasing sony products therefore sony will survive. People: Read the EULAs. If you don't like it, go elsewhere. I just feel bad for the folks who got ripped off by sony when it introduced the nasty firmware update.

6320.4.2011 17:12

I was going to buy a music CD entitled "Metallic Spheres" By The Orb and Dave Gilmour. Unfortunately I noticed that this is made by Sony. I will not be buying it now.

Incidentally I've bought Sony CDs in the past and found the sound quality to be poor; they are tinny and lack bass. Clearly Sony are trying to make the CD go the same way as the MiniDisc by making it sound worse than an MP3.

And don't get me started on the Rootkit thing.....

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