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Four years in jail for Facebook riot incitement

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 17 Aug 2011 8:27 User comments (13)

Four years in jail for Facebook riot incitement Two British men handed tough punishments for attempting to incite violence.
Last week, people in Britain had to sit back and witness an unprecedented level of peace-time civil unrest in the country, as rioters and looters rampaged through streets damaging homes and businesses, looting and some starting fires.

It became clear that social networks were being used to organize some of the disorder, and police kept tabs on Facebook, Twitter and other online services. Two men in their early 20s have been dealt serious punishments for attempting to organize rioting using their Facebook accounts.

22 year old Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan from Warrington, and 20 year old Jordan Blackshaw from Marston, near Northwich, have been jailed for four years for attempting to incite violence, even though police said their attempts failed.

"If we cast our minds back just a few days to last week and recall the way in which technology was used to spread incitement and bring people together to commit acts of criminality, it is easy to understand the four year sentences that were handed down in court today," said Assistant Chief Constable Phil Thompson.

"The sentences passed down today recognise how technology can be abused to incite criminal activity, and send a strong message to potential troublemakers about the extent to which ordinary people value safety and order in their lives and their communities. Anyone who seeks to undermine that will face the full force of the law."

The good side of social media was also seen however. UK users used Twitter to organize clean-up efforts in their communities and to organize their own street protection in the nights following the violence.

There has been concerns raised from some MPs and other areas that some riot-related punishments are too severe. In this case, it highlights that information posted on social networking sites is public speech, and can be treated by the courts as just that. It's no secret that sitting behind a computer screen provides a false sense of security for people when they communicate with others or the public at large.

UPDATE: Jordan Blackshaw is to appeal, with his solicitor saying his family has been shocked by the sentencing, and claiming that it was really just a "misguided and misplaced joke."

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117.8.2011 8:37

good hope they lock more of these scum bags up.

217.8.2011 9:42

I swear, the riots are going on because they really pissed off a group of people from that killing, other people are saying "f*ck it, I'll join them," and rioting for their own reasons.

317.8.2011 10:11

Originally posted by ROMaster2:
I swear, the riots are going on because they really pissed off a group of people from that killing, other people are saying "f*ck it, I'll join them," and rioting for their own reasons.
I really don't believe that. It started with a protest in Tottenham and then even the people there said it was outsiders who came in and started trouble. You are right that other people just decided to join them, but it wasn't to do with the police shooting, it was simply something to do I suppose. Monkey see, monkey do and all that.

Even when rioters were asked about it by the media, very very few of them said anything about any police shooting. Instead they started blaming the economy, which is kind of bullshit when you are running around with a blackberry trying to steal everything you can grab, or setting fire to people's homes or businesses.

There is some obvious "poverty" link, but there is nothing to excuse the damage that was done. People live in worse conditions, have had to endure times far more challenging than now and they didn't take to the streets and burn the place down because of it.

417.8.2011 11:38

Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by ROMaster2:
I swear, the riots are going on because they really pissed off a group of people from that killing, other people are saying "f*ck it, I'll join them," and rioting for their own reasons.
I really don't believe that. It started with a protest in Tottenham and then even the people there said it was outsiders who came in and started trouble. You are right that other people just decided to join them, but it wasn't to do with the police shooting, it was simply something to do I suppose. Monkey see, monkey do and all that.

Even when rioters were asked about it by the media, very very few of them said anything about any police shooting. Instead they started blaming the economy, which is kind of bullshit when you are running around with a blackberry trying to steal everything you can grab, or setting fire to people's homes or businesses.

There is some obvious "poverty" link, but there is nothing to excuse the damage that was done. People live in worse conditions, have had to endure times far more challenging than now and they didn't take to the streets and burn the place down because of it.
If government doesn't listen to your words than civil unrest seems to be the next logical step to me. We can speculate about the motives all we want, but obviously there were a lot of people pissed off about something and they had no faith in any civil procedure.

517.8.2011 11:40

Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by ROMaster2:
I swear, the riots are going on because they really pissed off a group of people from that killing, other people are saying "f*ck it, I'll join them," and rioting for their own reasons.
I really don't believe that. It started with a protest in Tottenham and then even the people there said it was outsiders who came in and started trouble. You are right that other people just decided to join them, but it wasn't to do with the police shooting, it was simply something to do I suppose. Monkey see, monkey do and all that.

Even when rioters were asked about it by the media, very very few of them said anything about any police shooting. Instead they started blaming the economy, which is kind of bullshit when you are running around with a blackberry trying to steal everything you can grab, or setting fire to people's homes or businesses.

There is some obvious "poverty" link, but there is nothing to excuse the damage that was done. People live in worse conditions, have had to endure times far more challenging than now and they didn't take to the streets and burn the place down because of it.
If government doesn't listen to your words than civil unrest seems to be the next logical step to me. We can speculate about the motives all we want, but obviously there were a lot of people pissed off about something and they had no faith in any civil procedure.
What exactly did the government not listen to from the Blackberry-holding youths who smashed their way into shops and stole stuff? The Government in the UK is elected _by the people_, so that's no excuse either, as far as I'm concerned.

617.8.2011 12:51

Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by ROMaster2:
I swear, the riots are going on because they really pissed off a group of people from that killing, other people are saying "f*ck it, I'll join them," and rioting for their own reasons.
I really don't believe that. It started with a protest in Tottenham and then even the people there said it was outsiders who came in and started trouble. You are right that other people just decided to join them, but it wasn't to do with the police shooting, it was simply something to do I suppose. Monkey see, monkey do and all that.

Even when rioters were asked about it by the media, very very few of them said anything about any police shooting. Instead they started blaming the economy, which is kind of bullshit when you are running around with a blackberry trying to steal everything you can grab, or setting fire to people's homes or businesses.

There is some obvious "poverty" link, but there is nothing to excuse the damage that was done. People live in worse conditions, have had to endure times far more challenging than now and they didn't take to the streets and burn the place down because of it.
If government doesn't listen to your words than civil unrest seems to be the next logical step to me. We can speculate about the motives all we want, but obviously there were a lot of people pissed off about something and they had no faith in any civil procedure.
What exactly did the government not listen to from the Blackberry-holding youths who smashed their way into shops and stole stuff? The Government in the UK is elected _by the people_, so that's no excuse either, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm sure its like the USA elections. choose between two predetermined candidates that will Screw you the moment they get in that comfy leather seat of power. elections are a joke anymore and the only reason we still do it is because of traditions.

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717.8.2011 13:40
retrobution
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4 years is a very light sentence when you think,
rioting could result in death, throw the book away!.

817.8.2011 14:03
Skull Leader
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by ROMaster2:
I swear, the riots are going on because they really pissed off a group of people from that killing, other people are saying "f*ck it, I'll join them," and rioting for their own reasons.
I really don't believe that. It started with a protest in Tottenham and then even the people there said it was outsiders who came in and started trouble. You are right that other people just decided to join them, but it wasn't to do with the police shooting, it was simply something to do I suppose. Monkey see, monkey do and all that.

Even when rioters were asked about it by the media, very very few of them said anything about any police shooting. Instead they started blaming the economy, which is kind of bullshit when you are running around with a blackberry trying to steal everything you can grab, or setting fire to people's homes or businesses.

There is some obvious "poverty" link, but there is nothing to excuse the damage that was done. People live in worse conditions, have had to endure times far more challenging than now and they didn't take to the streets and burn the place down because of it.
If government doesn't listen to your words than civil unrest seems to be the next logical step to me. We can speculate about the motives all we want, but obviously there were a lot of people pissed off about something and they had no faith in any civil procedure.
What exactly did the government not listen to from the Blackberry-holding youths who smashed their way into shops and stole stuff? The Government in the UK is elected _by the people_, so that's no excuse either, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm sure its like the USA elections. choose between two predetermined candidates that will Screw you the moment they get in that comfy leather seat of power. elections are a joke anymore and the only reason we still do it is because of traditions.
So f**king true!

917.8.2011 14:11

Originally posted by DXR88:


I'm sure its like the USA elections. choose between two predetermined candidates that will Screw you the moment they get in that comfy leather seat of power. elections are a joke anymore and the only reason we still do it is because of traditions.
Absolutely!


1017.8.2011 14:31

Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by ROMaster2:
I swear, the riots are going on because they really pissed off a group of people from that killing, other people are saying "f*ck it, I'll join them," and rioting for their own reasons.
I really don't believe that. It started with a protest in Tottenham and then even the people there said it was outsiders who came in and started trouble. You are right that other people just decided to join them, but it wasn't to do with the police shooting, it was simply something to do I suppose. Monkey see, monkey do and all that.

Even when rioters were asked about it by the media, very very few of them said anything about any police shooting. Instead they started blaming the economy, which is kind of bullshit when you are running around with a blackberry trying to steal everything you can grab, or setting fire to people's homes or businesses.

There is some obvious "poverty" link, but there is nothing to excuse the damage that was done. People live in worse conditions, have had to endure times far more challenging than now and they didn't take to the streets and burn the place down because of it.
If government doesn't listen to your words than civil unrest seems to be the next logical step to me. We can speculate about the motives all we want, but obviously there were a lot of people pissed off about something and they had no faith in any civil procedure.
What exactly did the government not listen to from the Blackberry-holding youths who smashed their way into shops and stole stuff? The Government in the UK is elected _by the people_, so that's no excuse either, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't know I'm not there and I'm sure its different for different people, but surely you don't believe massive riots spring up for no reason or that politicians (no matter what country you're in) actually listen to the people that elect them?
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 17 Aug 2011 @ 14:48

1117.8.2011 14:40

Are these the two that were organizing a water gun fight?

1220.8.2011 17:24

So Mr Dickhead #1 is appealing on the grounds that it was a "misguided and misplaced joke". But you know that had his call to action been successful he would still be boasting about it.

These two in days past could have been accused of sedition, but the laws relating to that were abolished in 2009.

They should perhaps reflect that there are many countries in this world where, for better or worse, their punishment would have been a lot more harsh than here.

1322.8.2011 4:49

Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Dela:
Originally posted by ROMaster2:
I swear, the riots are going on because they really pissed off a group of people from that killing, other people are saying "f*ck it, I'll join them," and rioting for their own reasons.
I really don't believe that. It started with a protest in Tottenham and then even the people there said it was outsiders who came in and started trouble. You are right that other people just decided to join them, but it wasn't to do with the police shooting, it was simply something to do I suppose. Monkey see, monkey do and all that.

Even when rioters were asked about it by the media, very very few of them said anything about any police shooting. Instead they started blaming the economy, which is kind of bullshit when you are running around with a blackberry trying to steal everything you can grab, or setting fire to people's homes or businesses.

There is some obvious "poverty" link, but there is nothing to excuse the damage that was done. People live in worse conditions, have had to endure times far more challenging than now and they didn't take to the streets and burn the place down because of it.
If government doesn't listen to your words than civil unrest seems to be the next logical step to me. We can speculate about the motives all we want, but obviously there were a lot of people pissed off about something and they had no faith in any civil procedure.
What exactly did the government not listen to from the Blackberry-holding youths who smashed their way into shops and stole stuff? The Government in the UK is elected _by the people_, so that's no excuse either, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm sure its like the USA elections. choose between two predetermined candidates that will Screw you the moment they get in that comfy leather seat of power. elections are a joke anymore and the only reason we still do it is because of traditions.
Pretty much. As South Park put it, it's always between a douchebag and a turd.

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