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Sergey Brin: All Hollywood anti-piracy legislation are misguided

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 15 Apr 2012 22:08 User comments (39)

Sergey Brin: All Hollywood anti-piracy legislation are misguided Google co-founder Sergey Brin has said the entertainment industry is "shooting themselves in the foot, or maybe worse than the foot" by trying to push anti-piracy legislation.
Brin said the recently killed PIPA and SOPA legislation would have led to the U.S. becoming more like Iran and China, who censor their people.

Even more importantly, Brin hit the nail on the head in regards to piracy, saying the industry cannot understand the simple concept that users will continue to download unauthorized content as long as it remains easier to acquire than authorized material.

"I haven't tried it for many years but when you go on a pirate website, you choose what you like, it downloads to the device of your choice and it will just work - and then when you have to jump through all these hoops (to buy legitimate content), the walls created are disincentives for people to buy," says Brin.

Brin is also scared of the future of the Internet, claiming "there are very powerful forces that have lined up against the open internet on all sides and around the world. I am more worried than I have been in the past ... it's scary." Most of the threat is coming from governments who are actively trying to control access of their citizens, all under the guise of things like piracy.

Additionally, companies like Facebook and Apple, which lock down their software will likely "stifle innovation" into the future, "Balkanizing" the web with their proprietary platforms and controlled user access. Speaking of Facebook, Brin says: "You have to play by their rules, which are really restrictive. The kind of environment that we developed Google in, the reason that we were able to develop a search engine, is the web was so open. Once you get too many rules that will stifle innovation."

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39 user comments

116.4.2012 9:40

In this generation, no words could be more true. It is scary, just how bad Uncle Sam is going to watch us all. I always stated that when Canada (my country) starts doing it, off with the net I go. I'll keep a very very basic account open with the lowest of bandwidth caps and speeds for basic use like banking online.

But then I'd just pretty much boycott everything in media at that point. Currently I buy what I or my family likes and I don't deny being a pirate for other things. However, this method has worked for generations since we made copies of VHS, cassette tapes, cds for our family and friends; I see no reason why it should change now.

It's more than just media industries protecting their IPs. The government doesn't even really care about that, they just mask behind it because it's the best damn mask to stand behind in the digital age. Really their justifications for a close internet is simply to be able spy on people's routines. Both media, and government will be able to take advantage of the things we like and dislike. They want to be able to flawlessly be tracked wherever we go, when we go and how we get there. It's not only scary, it's down right creepy as governments around the globe contemplate that humans have no rights the minute they are logged into a connection.

And its us citizens to be blamed. Although we keep up the good fight and took down bills like PIPA and SOPA. The offering came back to the table again with very little reforms in place that were key issues to fighting those bills to begin with. All they really did was change the name, with the intent on implementing those policies not just to US but as much as global scale as they can.

It's reading articles like this where I take greater enjoyment in life by taking my kids outside to play.

216.4.2012 11:34

Thank the Gods the EU will not accept the ACTA secret aggreement made by a majority of western governments as it infringes on personal rights and freedoms in favour of companies and governments, so back to the drawing board with that one APPLE and the rest of the companies I consider EVIL !

317.4.2012 18:36

Originally posted by Mysttic:
In this generation, no words could be more true. It is scary, just how bad Uncle Sam is going to watch us all. Really their justifications for a close[d] internet is simply to be able spy on people's routines.
The offering came back to the table again with very little reforms in place that were key issues to fighting those bills to begin with. All they really did was change the name, with the intent on implementing those policies not just to US but as much as global scale as they can.
The object of censorship is tyranny in the guise of fairness. Students have been brainwashed in liberal socialist education centers, and now the World Order (probably the Bilderbergs) is beyond desperate to shut down the conservative media before they find out there was another side.
It's easy to figure out if we follow the breadcrumbs; It started with The "Fairness" Doctrine that would have made conservative media too expensive to operate. Then (and ongoing) liberal media pump hate into the masses with "Hush Rush", THEN came SIPA, SOPA, ACTA, now CISPA.
Look at the WH visitor log for; Soros' Tide's Foundation, Media Matters, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and 30 other Soros-funded media shills, and the conclusion is unavoidable of the intent to shut down dissent so they can control the access of the masses anything other than state-controlled media.
Pure totalitarianism with a willing, megalomaniac puppet President.

420.4.2012 8:40

Black boxes in our cars?Were is it going to stop?

520.4.2012 9:40
Zoo_Look
Inactive

Am I the only person who thinks that,if you are unhappy with how (for example) Facebook operate, instead of using it and complaining it's actually easier to just not use it?

So what if they (quote) "lock down their software"? Just don't use it!!

Or is he implying that Facebook is a necessary evil that can't be avoided?

620.4.2012 9:49

Brin is right. Innovation makes much more money than trying to squeeze blood from a stone. That is what the media has been trying to do squeeze instead of creating. Music artist don't want to perform because they are too rich to be bothered. In the 50s and 60s music artist were not gods. They hung out with one another and young budding artists. They learned from one another and the up and coming artists were able to learn from the greats. All the money has destroyed the music industry but the industry can't see that.

I still can't figure how a patent costing a minimum of tens of thousands of dollars is only good for 17 yrs but an idea is protected for 100 yrs in the US and 75 in the UK. It had been 50 but a huge lobbing took place a few years ago and it was raiser to 75.

I am surprised that at least the 'free' governments have not put their hooks into the internet yet. Google did help Obama to be elected.

Brin was right again when you can pirate a great deal more than what you can buy. The industry could care less about producing old black artists music but will sue you if you pirate it. They are pigs!

720.4.2012 9:58
Jiffen
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by Mysttic:
In this generation, no words could be more true. It is scary, just how bad Uncle Sam is going to watch us all. Really their justifications for a close[d] internet is simply to be able spy on people's routines.
The offering came back to the table again with very little reforms in place that were key issues to fighting those bills to begin with. All they really did was change the name, with the intent on implementing those policies not just to US but as much as global scale as they can.
The object of censorship is tyranny in the guise of fairness. Students have been brainwashed in liberal socialist education centers, and now the World Order (probably the Bilderbergs) is beyond desperate to shut down the conservative media before they find out there was another side.
It's easy to figure out if we follow the breadcrumbs; It started with The "Fairness" Doctrine that would have made conservative media too expensive to operate. Then (and ongoing) liberal media pump hate into the masses with "Hush Rush", THEN came SIPA, SOPA, ACTA, now CISPA.
Look at the WH visitor log for; Soros' Tide's Foundation, Media Matters, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and 30 other Soros-funded media shills, and the conclusion is unavoidable of the intent to shut down dissent so they can control the access of the masses anything other than state-controlled media.
Pure totalitarianism with a willing, megalomaniac puppet President.

This is amazing. He has everything backwords.

820.4.2012 10:53

Originally posted by Zoo_Look:
Am I the only person who thinks that,if you are unhappy with how (for example) Facebook operate, instead of using it and complaining it's actually easier to just not use it?

So what if they (quote) "lock down their software"? Just don't use it!!

Or is he implying that Facebook is a necessary evil that can't be avoided?
fuck facebook and all the other socialial networking crap for brain dead morons, i don't have an account and never will have an account. i'm sticking with usenet, that way i can say what i want and do what i want.

920.4.2012 11:01
Zoo_Look
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Originally posted by ximwoem:
fuck facebook and all the other socialial networking crap for brain dead morons, i don't have an account and never will have an account. i'm sticking with usenet, that way i can say what i want and do what i want.
Exactly the point I am making, it's a non problem yet he bigs it up in his statement... it seems more like an attempt to deflect attention from the inadequacies/failings of his own company instead of a highlighting of potential problems that other companies contribute too.

I would suggest he looks closer to home before preaching others to get their houses in order.

1020.4.2012 11:58

Originally posted by Zoo_Look:
Am I the only person who thinks that,if you are unhappy with how (for example) Facebook operate, instead of using it and complaining it's actually easier to just not use it?

So what if they (quote) "lock down their software"? Just don't use it!!

Or is he implying that Facebook is a necessary evil that can't be avoided?
It is a significant part of life for many people - there are alternative social networks but would you join a social club to mix with your friends if your friends were all in different clubs. The fact is that FB currently has the largest user base by far - some of my friends are on other platforms but almost all on Facebook.

I also think that "vote with your feet" is a very negative concept whether for something social or 100% commercial because they dont know why you leave. Whether its a product or web service I think it is better to stay and try to influence change than to just throw in the towel.

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There is anothe

1120.4.2012 12:05

Sure there is an element of some governments seeking more control (UK gov feel they have that right after last summers riots!) but by far the biggest influence is commercial lobbyists becasue they now want to find a way to erradicate piracy in a way that doesnt reflect on them. They have learned one lesson in that prosecuting their own customers, or potential customers, brings bad publicity. Unfortunately they havent quite learned that what they ought to be doing is generating a better public image for themselves and offer consumers much fairer deals. I would be surprised if piracy directly causes more than 5% loss of sales - what does cause loss of sales is restrictive practice (such as controlling what is released where), recession, high prices and poor service. I feel particularly strongly that it should be considered discriminatory and preferably illegal to restrict sales to particular countries.


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There is anothe

1220.4.2012 12:46

His comment about Facebook was purely for the sake of defending the (currently) inferior Google+. I'm pretty active on Facebook and haven't really found it limiting in any way. I mean, no, you're not going to be able to distribute pirated movies/music on it or post porn videos of yourself with the neighbor's daughter, but for normal day-to-day use I'm not really seeing it as being Hitler's Social Network.

The whole problem with the internet is the same problem technology has had all along -- the vast majority doesn't understand it, so its easy to fear monger and get things limited and nailed down in the name of safety. I'm just surprised the US government hasn't shut down the internet citing that it aids terrorists. About 90% of the world would believe it, too.

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1320.4.2012 13:04

ITS TIME YOU ALL STARTED TO WAKE UP ABOUT AMERICA WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS THEY HAVE NEVER HAD FREEDOM SINCE THE INDEPENDANCE
CHARTER WAS MADE.....

WE WHERE STOPED BY THEM IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR THE GREEN BACK WAS CONTROLLED BY THE FEDERAL BANK OF AMERICA ITS PRIVATE NOT BELONGING TO THE PEOPLE THE NEW WORLD ORDER AS BEEN HERE SINCE THE EGYPTION TIMES AND MOVED OVER TO EUROPE AND ARE THE RAPTILIANS
READ THE INFO WHILE THE INTERNET IS OPEN
OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA OPEN YOUR EYES....WE ARE WHATCHING OUR GOVERMENT HERE IN THE UK TOO AND WILL ACT AS THEY TRY .BUT NO CHANCE READ THOSE BOOKS FROM DAVID IKYE..... DIANA PAID THE PRICE BECAUSE SHE WAS HER SELF AND TOLD THE PEOPLE WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON... WHY IS THE EURO BANK IN GERMANY ...2WW WAS USED TO AQUIRE MORE CONTROL ON OUR FREDOOM.... THE INTERNET IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE DESIGNERS COULD EVER FORSEE.....LOVE YOU ALL FREEDOM TO U ALLL////////// UK UK UK UK UK UK UK UK


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1420.4.2012 13:10

Originally posted by GernBlan:
His comment about Facebook was purely for the sake of defending the (currently) inferior Google+. I'm pretty active on Facebook and haven't really found it limiting in any way. I mean, no, you're not going to be able to distribute pirated movies/music on it or post porn videos of yourself with the neighbor's daughter, but for normal day-to-day use I'm not really seeing it as being Hitler's Social Network.

The whole problem with the internet is the same problem technology has had all along -- the vast majority doesn't understand it, so its easy to fear monger and get things limited and nailed down in the name of safety. I'm just surprised the US government hasn't shut down the internet citing that it aids terrorists. About 90% of the world would believe it, too.
That is as maybe, however my point is still valid in that I do not like a lot of facebook policies and am fighting an uphill struggle to keep timeline off my pages - the problem is that some apps now require it. It should in my view be a wholly optional choice. The point I am making is - that leaving doesnt change anything, other than depriving ME of using it!
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 20 Apr 2012 @ 13:12

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1520.4.2012 13:21
Zoo_Look
Inactive

Originally posted by gbswales:
That is as maybe, however my point is still valid in that I do not like a lot of facebook policies and am fighting an uphill struggle to keep timeline off my pages - the problem is that some apps now require it. It should in my view be a wholly optional choice. The point I am making is - that leaving doesnt change anything, other than depriving ME of using it!

So because the people who own and run it, make a living from it, and provide YOU with a service (as opposed to you paying for it), they should not feel able to do with it what they see fit?

Not sure that makes sense, but lets go with that... So next time you get in your car, you'll be giving me a lift to work ... right?

1620.4.2012 16:17

Originally posted by gbswales:
Originally posted by Zoo_Look:
Am I the only person who thinks that,if you are unhappy with how (for example) Facebook operate, instead of using it and complaining it's actually easier to just not use it?

So what if they (quote) "lock down their software"? Just don't use it!!

Or is he implying that Facebook is a necessary evil that can't be avoided?
It is a significant part of life for many people - there are alternative social networks but would you join a social club to mix with your friends if your friends were all in different clubs. The fact is that FB currently has the largest user base by far - some of my friends are on other platforms but almost all on Facebook.

I also think that "vote with your feet" is a very negative concept whether for something social or 100% commercial because they dont know why you leave. Whether its a product or web service I think it is better to stay and try to influence change than to just throw in the towel.
I recognize FB's community nature but I too look upon it as a walled garden like in the bad old days of AOL, Compuserve, etc. where all you saw or read was approved by someone else. The little and not so little 'gotchas' like the endless games and stupid little 'pokes' and 'gifts' are there to keep you there. The almost mandatory 'like' additions in order to do this or that or read about this promotion or get that info seems to me to keep you there.

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1720.4.2012 17:46

Originally posted by kersmere:
ITS TIME YOU ALL STARTED TO WAKE UP ABOUT AMERICA WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS THEY HAVE NEVER HAD FREEDOM SINCE THE INDEPENDANCE
CHARTER WAS MADE.....

READ THE INFO WHILE THE IN

You are not supposed to post in all caps.

1820.4.2012 18:20
Zoo_Look
Inactive

Originally posted by dikbozo:
Originally posted by gbswales:
Originally posted by Zoo_Look:
Am I the only person who thinks that,if you are unhappy with how (for example) Facebook operate, instead of using it and complaining it's actually easier to just not use it?

So what if they (quote) "lock down their software"? Just don't use it!!

Or is he implying that Facebook is a necessary evil that can't be avoided?
It is a significant part of life for many people - there are alternative social networks but would you join a social club to mix with your friends if your friends were all in different clubs. The fact is that FB currently has the largest user base by far - some of my friends are on other platforms but almost all on Facebook.

I also think that "vote with your feet" is a very negative concept whether for something social or 100% commercial because they dont know why you leave. Whether its a product or web service I think it is better to stay and try to influence change than to just throw in the towel.
I recognize FB's community nature but I too look upon it as a walled garden like in the bad old days of AOL, Compuserve, etc. where all you saw or read was approved by someone else. The little and not so little 'gotchas' like the endless games and stupid little 'pokes' and 'gifts' are there to keep you there. The almost mandatory 'like' additions in order to do this or that or read about this promotion or get that info seems to me to keep you there.

Except they are not mandatory in any way. In point of fact you can set your account to ignore all that kinda stuff if you want to use it as a pure social network for people you know and want to stay in touch with. Just use the groups if you want to find like-minded people. The games and apps are in no way compulsory no matter what you have been led to believe.

Nowadays, to give an app access to your profile, you need to go through 2 confirmation pages which clearly set out what it needs to do in order to function correctly. Conversely, if a 'friend' uses an app to post to your account, you can block that app completely, block that friend completely, or block that friend from using that app on your profile - all by using the little x next to that post.

DRAMA! You have successfully prevented app/friend/whatever from pestering you for all eternity. And as a bonus (?), Facebook hasn't crashed... why would it? Oh yeah, because the apps are compulsory according to ill-informed users *rolls eyes*

1921.4.2012 4:12

facebook is becoming a big problem because or the games and apps are requiring more of your info if you want to use them,which i wont allow.People that have little experience with the internet just click things and then wonder why there identify was stolen and there bank accounts cleaned out.

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So because the people who own and run it, make a living from it, and provide YOU with a service (as opposed to you paying for it), they should not feel able to do with it what they see fit?

Not sure that makes sense, but lets go with that... So next time you get in your car, you'll be giving me a lift to work ... right?
the operators should do with facebook what the users want otherwise they wont have any users and it will be shut down.

as for google plus havnt tryed it yet and dont plan to.

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2021.4.2012 6:42
Zoo_Look
Inactive

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
facebook is becoming a big problem because or the games and apps are requiring more of your info if you want to use them,which i wont allow.People that have little experience with the internet just click things and then wonder why there identify was stolen and there bank accounts cleaned out.

That would be user error then... The only way to stop stupid people from clicking themselves to oblivion is to stop them from using the internet. Any website cannot be held accountable for the stupidity of its users. Its like blaming McDonald's for burning yourself with a hot drink, or a camper van dealership for a crash because you decided to leave the drivers seat to make coffee. How about blaming condom manufacturers for the rise in teenage pregnancies... Of course, blaming others is the way to go nowadays, I am old school and think people should be accountable for their own actions however... my bad lol.

Additionally, no matter what permissions they require, THEY ARE NOT MANDATORY, so thinking they are a problem is misleading. They are not. Don't accept the permissions and they are a non issue... Is that a hard concept to grasp? Again, its user stupidity and ignorance that turns them into a problem. People need to take accountability for their own actions. Period.

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the operators should do with facebook what the users want otherwise they wont have any users and it will be shut down.

Yet just a quick read of the whole thread indicates at least 1 person who thinks 'voting with feet' in that way does not help, and another who does not see why he should 'deprive' themselves of the service.

2121.4.2012 8:05

Facebook demands a birth date. If you give it your real one you have already put your head in the noose.

You do not have to click on anything. Mouseovers are plenty good enough. Even with extreme care I have down loaded malware. The only reason I know that is my browser is always sand boxed. I was not even moving the mouse when I got a request from sandboxie did I want to recover what I just downloaded. I said no then destroyed the complete session.

Anyone that thinks they can avoid malware by abstaining clicking on suspicious items probably has an infected computer right now.

2221.4.2012 8:41
Zoo_Look
Inactive

Originally posted by Mez:
Facebook demands a birth date. If you give it your real one you have already put your head in the noose.

Hm... perhaps the worlds compulsory and voluntary are mixed up in your dictionary. Where I come from, compulsory means something that you absolutely must do with no way of avoiding it. I would suggest that participating in Facebook sign-up isn't compulsory since I have never been forced to do it. Maybe things are different where you live, and if your government forces you to do that then I suggest a change of government or civil revolt pretty sharp...

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Anyone that thinks they can avoid malware by abstaining clicking on suspicious items probably has an infected computer right now.

Anyone who confuses compulsory sign-up and completely voluntary sign-up isn't in a position to make such assumptions quite frankly.
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2321.4.2012 10:30

Originally posted by Zoo_Look:
Originally posted by Mez:
Facebook demands a birth date. If you give it your real one you have already put your head in the noose.

Hm... perhaps the worlds compulsory and voluntary are mixed up in your dictionary. Where I come from, compulsory means something that you absolutely must do with no way of avoiding it. I would suggest that participating in Facebook sign-up isn't compulsory since I have never been forced to do it. Maybe things are different where you live, and if your government forces you to do that then I suggest a change of government or civil revolt pretty sharp...

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Anyone that thinks they can avoid malware by abstaining clicking on suspicious items probably has an infected computer right now.

Anyone who confuses compulsory sign-up and completely voluntary sign-up isn't in a position to make such assumptions quite frankly.
Maybe it was when you signed up. Years ago that might not have been mandatory but it is now. The reason I put a false date was the save button was 'greyed out' until the birth date field was filled. Now where I come from we consider that as a mandatory field. What would you call it?

2421.4.2012 11:54

Originally posted by Zoo_Look:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
facebook is becoming a big problem because or the games and apps are requiring more of your info if you want to use them,which i wont allow.People that have little experience with the internet just click things and then wonder why there identify was stolen and there bank accounts cleaned out.

That would be user error then... The only way to stop stupid people from clicking themselves to oblivion is to stop them from using the internet. Any website cannot be held accountable for the stupidity of its users. Its like blaming McDonald's for burning yourself with a hot drink, or a camper van dealership for a crash because you decided to leave the drivers seat to make coffee. How about blaming condom manufacturers for the rise in teenage pregnancies... Of course, blaming others is the way to go nowadays, I am old school and think people should be accountable for their own actions however... my bad lol.

Additionally, no matter what permissions they require, THEY ARE NOT MANDATORY, so thinking they are a problem is misleading. They are not. Don't accept the permissions and they are a non issue... Is that a hard concept to grasp? Again, its user stupidity and ignorance that turns them into a problem. People need to take accountability for their own actions. Period.

Quote:
the operators should do with facebook what the users want otherwise they wont have any users and it will be shut down.

Yet just a quick read of the whole thread indicates at least 1 person who thinks 'voting with feet' in that way does not help, and another who does not see why he should 'deprive' themselves of the service.
its not mandatory for you to argue on an internet forum but you are.I live in australia not a 3rd world country if i wanna play games or use apps on facebook i should be able to without them trying to invade my privacy.

heres a question on a personal level for you.if you signed up for an internet forum and were hacked as a result would it be your fault for signing up or the sites admin for giving your info away????

as for banning people from using the internet you try and do that to someone who is an adult with money and a credit card and a computer.its kinda hard.my aunty has a problem with spammers and viruses her son fixes her computer every week.legally we cant stop her using the internet or doing stupid things on it.

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2521.4.2012 12:51

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
heres a question on a personal level for you.if you signed up for an internet forum and were hacked as a result would it be your fault for signing up or the sites admin for giving your info away????
I am not a lawyer but I am sure that would be up to the courts to decide. Both sides will blame the other.

Facebook uses the birth date for various tasks. It emails all your friends to announce upcoming birth days. It also provides a face recognition, probably used by interpol. Having the birth date is important for that use. I read the white paper for that app before Facebook bought it. It may also be used if you forget your password. Therefore they may have a good excuse to demand a birth date if used by law enforcement.

2621.4.2012 15:07
Zoo_Look
Inactive

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its not mandatory for you to argue on an internet forum but you are.

You're right... I am making a choice to do so. Much like people CHOOSE to blame other people for their own failings. If you or anyone else is irresponsible and f**k yourself over because you are too stupid or ignorant of what you sign up to, that's YOUR fault, nobody else's. Its called personal responsibility, and is obviously lacking in some people on this thread.

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I live in australia not a 3rd world country if i wanna play games or use apps on facebook i should be able to without them trying to invade my privacy.

You're right here too, you don't live in a 3rd world country. You are therefore not forced to participate in either facebook, or its apps or games. You CHOSE to do so, and accepted the terms as given... if you were not happy with those terms, you should have said 'NO' when asked if you were happy with the terms. Or are you saying you don't read things like that?

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heres a question on a personal level for you.if you signed up for an internet forum and were hacked as a result would it be your fault for signing up or the sites admin for giving your info away????

Except facebook isn't being hacked, people WILLINGLY give their details to them. I hope you are not trying to say the 2 are the same, because that's a stupid analogy.

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as for banning people from using the internet you try and do that to someone who is an adult with money and a credit card and a computer.its kinda hard.my aunty has a problem with spammers and viruses her son fixes her computer every week.legally we cant stop her using the internet or doing stupid things on it.

OK, so what you want is 'Lowest common denominator'

No website should allow anyone to sign up for anything, just in case someone forgets to read the term and decides AFTERWARDS that they don't want to be signed up after all.. is that right.

2721.4.2012 16:01

Originally posted by kersmere:
ITS TIME YOU ALL STARTED TO WAKE UP ABOUT AMERICA WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS THEY HAVE NEVER HAD FREEDOM SINCE THE INDEPENDANCE
CHARTER WAS MADE.....

WE WHERE STOPED BY THEM IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR THE GREEN BACK WAS CONTROLLED BY THE FEDERAL BANK OF AMERICA ITS PRIVATE NOT BELONGING TO THE PEOPLE THE NEW WORLD ORDER AS BEEN HERE SINCE THE EGYPTION TIMES AND MOVED OVER TO EUROPE AND ARE THE RAPTILIANS
READ THE INFO WHILE THE INTERNET IS OPEN
OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA OPEN YOUR EYES....WE ARE WHATCHING OUR GOVERMENT HERE IN THE UK TOO AND WILL ACT AS THEY TRY .BUT NO CHANCE READ THOSE BOOKS FROM DAVID IKYE..... DIANA PAID THE PRICE BECAUSE SHE WAS HER SELF AND TOLD THE PEOPLE WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON... WHY IS THE EURO BANK IN GERMANY ...2WW WAS USED TO AQUIRE MORE CONTROL ON OUR FREDOOM.... THE INTERNET IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE DESIGNERS COULD EVER FORSEE.....LOVE YOU ALL FREEDOM TO U ALLL////////// UK UK UK UK UK UK UK UK
just what the hell are you trying to say.in english please and with a modicum of punctuation.

2821.4.2012 16:03
Zoo_Look
Inactive

And not so many capital's - I have a headache as it is!

2922.4.2012 1:44

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The only way to stop stupid people from clicking themselves to oblivion is to stop them from using the internet.

yes zoo look you said it^^^^^
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Except facebook isn't being hacked, people WILLINGLY give their details to them. I hope you are not trying to say the 2 are the same, because that's a stupid analogy.


facebook pages get hacked all the time.

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No website should allow anyone to sign up for anything, just in case someone forgets to read the term and decides AFTERWARDS that they don't want to be signed up after all.. is that right.
yes no one should ever sign up for anything unless they want to be held accountable for signing up when things go wrong.

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3022.4.2012 13:19

Originally posted by Zoo_Look

Not sure that makes sense, but lets go with that... So next time you get in your car, you'll be giving me a lift to work ... right? [/quote:

I dont think the analogy is correct. My car is not made available to the public in the first place whereas facebook is. If I did however offer my car for free lifts then I would respect your right to tell me that maybe I drive too fast. Just because I give (or for that matter sell you) something doesnt rob you of any right to try and improve what I am offering.

Whether a private company or not, Facebook presents itself as a social community - the word community implies a responsibility to involve said community in how it is run. This should mean that every user has the right to publicly criticise aspects of any policies. I agree they dont HAVE to do as I, or anyone else says, but if enough people say the same thing, often enough, it can be effective.

I think also that the issue about needing to use it is a little spurious. Of course to live and breathe it isnt necessary. However it can be necessary to fully partake in other things. I know of some educational courses deliberately use Facebook as a means to continue debate outside of the classroom. Other companies are starting to use facebook as the prime source for customer feedback and so on. So while not essential, social networks are getting close to the state of telephone and postal services both of which have a raft of public protection policies imposed on them.

Lastly I am rather fed up with people who say "you should have read the T&C?" - the fact is that these, for almost everything, are verbose and often (deliberately?) difficult to read AND are seldom read by anyone. Going back to your car analogy, how many people do you think read every detail of their car manufacturers warranty before they buy it?

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3123.4.2012 14:05
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Idiot quote tag usage by the way!

3223.4.2012 15:03

Originally posted by Zoo_Look:
Idiot quote tag usage by the way!
I quickly tried to delete stuff between the quote tags but must have accidentally deleted the first tag

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3326.4.2012 1:47

Originally posted by nbfreak2:
Black boxes in our cars?Were is it going to stop?
Cars today *already* have black boxes in them. It's the computer that runs them. Forensic data can be pulled from them to investigate exactly what the car was doing prior to either crashing, or being turned off. Add GPS (OnStar, anyone?), and you've got yourself a total surveillance solution.

3426.4.2012 13:01

Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by Mysttic:
In this generation, no words could be more true. It is scary, just how bad Uncle Sam is going to watch us all. Really their justifications for a close[d] internet is simply to be able spy on people's routines.
The offering came back to the table again with very little reforms in place that were key issues to fighting those bills to begin with. All they really did was change the name, with the intent on implementing those policies not just to US but as much as global scale as they can.
The object of censorship is tyranny in the guise of fairness. Students have been brainwashed in liberal socialist education centers, and now the World Order (probably the Bilderbergs) is beyond desperate to shut down the conservative media before they find out there was another side.
It's easy to figure out if we follow the breadcrumbs; It started with The "Fairness" Doctrine that would have made conservative media too expensive to operate. Then (and ongoing) liberal media pump hate into the masses with "Hush Rush", THEN came SIPA, SOPA, ACTA, now CISPA.
Look at the WH visitor log for; Soros' Tide's Foundation, Media Matters, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and 30 other Soros-funded media shills, and the conclusion is unavoidable of the intent to shut down dissent so they can control the access of the masses anything other than state-controlled media.
Pure totalitarianism with a willing, megalomaniac puppet President.

What a crock.

354.5.2012 8:46

Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by Mysttic:
In this generation, no words could be more true. It is scary, just how bad Uncle Sam is going to watch us all. Really their justifications for a close[d] internet is simply to be able spy on people's routines.
The offering came back to the table again with very little reforms in place that were key issues to fighting those bills to begin with. All they really did was change the name, with the intent on implementing those policies not just to US but as much as global scale as they can.
The object of censorship is tyranny in the guise of fairness. Students have been brainwashed in liberal socialist education centers, and now the World Order (probably the Bilderbergs) is beyond desperate to shut down the conservative media before they find out there was another side.
It's easy to figure out if we follow the breadcrumbs; It started with The "Fairness" Doctrine that would have made conservative media too expensive to operate. Then (and ongoing) liberal media pump hate into the masses with "Hush Rush", THEN came SIPA, SOPA, ACTA, now CISPA.
Look at the WH visitor log for; Soros' Tide's Foundation, Media Matters, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and 30 other Soros-funded media shills, and the conclusion is unavoidable of the intent to shut down dissent so they can control the access of the masses anything other than state-controlled media.
Pure totalitarianism with a willing, megalomaniac puppet President.

Blessedon....you are a dope.....you wanna TRY and make everyone think that these bills were going to be used by liberals to attack conservative media....however if you accually did a little homework you would know that it was a GOP rep. that introducted SOPA ( Lamar Smith R-TX) along with 8 out of 12 cosponsors being conservative. Next time you wanna lib bash....go climb back up Rushs ass and stay there... SHEEP!!!! BAAA!!!

364.5.2012 9:39

Originally posted by mightyzog:
Blessedon....you are a dope.....you wanna TRY and make everyone think that these bills were going to be used by liberals to attack conservative media....however if you accually did a little homework you would know that it was a GOP rep. that introducted SOPA ( Lamar Smith R-TX) along with 8 out of 12 cosponsors being conservative.
Yes, sir, I may be a dope, but you have the maturity of a small seedless grape.
In your already too long young life, you have not learned that there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats.

374.5.2012 9:55

Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by mightyzog:
Blessedon....you are a dope.....you wanna TRY and make everyone think that these bills were going to be used by liberals to attack conservative media....however if you accually did a little homework you would know that it was a GOP rep. that introducted SOPA ( Lamar Smith R-TX) along with 8 out of 12 cosponsors being conservative.
Yes, sir, I may be a dope, but you have the maturity of a small seedless grape.
In your already too long young life, you have not learned that there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats.
shades of greay.

384.5.2012 15:38

mightyzog, watch the comments as don't need a flamewar.

394.5.2012 18:19

Originally posted by kersmere:
ITS TIME YOU ALL STARTED TO WAKE UP ABOUT AMERICA WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS THEY HAVE NEVER HAD FREEDOM SINCE THE INDEPENDANCE
CHARTER WAS MADE.....

WE WHERE STOPED BY THEM IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR THE GREEN BACK WAS CONTROLLED BY THE FEDERAL BANK OF AMERICA ITS PRIVATE NOT BELONGING TO THE PEOPLE THE NEW WORLD ORDER AS BEEN HERE SINCE THE EGYPTION TIMES AND MOVED OVER TO EUROPE AND ARE THE RAPTILIANS
READ THE INFO WHILE THE INTERNET IS OPEN
OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA OPEN YOUR EYES....WE ARE WHATCHING OUR GOVERMENT HERE IN THE UK TOO AND WILL ACT AS THEY TRY .BUT NO CHANCE READ THOSE BOOKS FROM DAVID IKYE..... DIANA PAID THE PRICE BECAUSE SHE WAS HER SELF AND TOLD THE PEOPLE WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON... WHY IS THE EURO BANK IN GERMANY ...2WW WAS USED TO AQUIRE MORE CONTROL ON OUR FREDOOM.... THE INTERNET IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE DESIGNERS COULD EVER FORSEE.....LOVE YOU ALL FREEDOM TO U ALLL////////// UK UK UK UK UK UK UK UK
so, have you gotten past the block on piratebay yet? i was past the block a couple of clicks after i found mine had blocked it.

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