Want to fix the Retina Display MacBook Pro yourself? Forget it, you can't

I really hope people realize this before purchasing... Pretty ridiculous.

Originally posted by Morreale:

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I really hope people realize this before purchasing... Pretty ridiculous.

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better option:
# don't purchase
or,
# if you do, you must buy applecare plan, otherwise, you are screwed if something happens.

I hope all the Apple fans buy one...sounds like exactly what they deserve for supporting this terrible company.

All I can think is LOL. Not like it matters, most of the people who buy Apple buy there stuff religiously. They don't mind flushing several thousands down the shitter for the great Apple. To the people with the argument that you pay for what you get, enjoy when in a few years if the SSD starts to fail have fun throwing away your $2k Mac book over a $100 fix. That Apple I am sure will charge you out the ass to fix.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I hope all the Apple fans buy one...sounds like exactly what they deserve for supporting this terrible company.

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couldnt agree more

Maybe Apple finally realized that all of their customers are so technologically inept that they don't have any concern for fixing things themselves, or upgrading RAM for that matter. Everyone I know who owns a Mac most likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a laptop with 4GB of RAM vs 16GB of RAM.

Also, using glued in batteries may have something to do with trying to fit in another battery. So they don't need to worry about clips and such. Either way, this will be just another one of Apple's shiny, expensive jails.

Just wondering, if you guys got this computer for free (won it it whatever), would you really be in a rush to upgrade it? replace the screen or anything off it?

Originally posted by iamgq:

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Just wondering, if you guys got this computer for free (won it it whatever), would you really be in a rush to upgrade it? replace the screen or anything off it?

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No, wouldn't upgrade it. Would sell it to an CrApple-sheeple, make a nice profit and with half the money buy a real computer, with total control over it.

Originally posted by cyprusrom:

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Originally posted by iamgq:

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Just wondering, if you guys got this computer for free (won it it whatever), would you really be in a rush to upgrade it? replace the screen or anything off it?

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No, wouldn't upgrade it. Would sell it to an CrApple-sheeple, make a nice profit and with half the money buy a real computer, with total control over it.

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Ok fair enough, please tell me were I can go buy a real computer? fill me in with the specs and all. Id like a real computer for once.

Come on, folks, this is "intelligent design". People dumb enough to purchase a $3K-4K laptop with one year warranty will be dumb enough to buy the next one if it stops working after the warranty expiration date.

Originally posted by dali:

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Come on, folks, this is "intelligent design". People dumb enough to purchase a $3K-4K laptop with one year warranty will be dumb enough to buy the next one if it stops working after the warranty expiration date.

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or 3 years plan for 250 more. do you drive with car insurance?

Originally posted by iamgq:

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or 3 years plan for 250 more. do you drive with car insurance?

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That's even more intelligent, indeed. Make it impossible to refuse a warranty extension which is also sold by you.

Originally posted by dali:

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Originally posted by iamgq:

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or 3 years plan for 250 more. do you drive with car insurance?

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That's even more intelligent, indeed. Make it impossible to refuse a warranty extension which is also sold by you.

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Sooo, what kind of computer you own?

Originally posted by iamgq:

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Sooo, what kind of computer you own?

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PC. You won't see anything with an apple logo around me. You see, maybe I'm not as intelligent as Crapple marketing people are, yet much more than their customers I am.

Originally posted by Notcow:

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Maybe Apple finally realized that all of their customers are so technologically inept that they don't have any concern for fixing things themselves, or upgrading RAM for that matter. Everyone I know who owns a Mac most likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a laptop with 4GB of RAM vs 16GB of RAM.

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Did you notice in the latest "SHERLOCK" series that Holmes uses all Apple products?

Sherlock is a lot smatter then you are.

One more thing.

Can you say "Retina display envy"?

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Really? how many times do you have to fix an apple computer?
I have 3 Macbook Pro and I've never had a problem (one of them is 5 years old).
Think about it. What would you do if those were your products, would you want people to do stuff by themselves or get some extra income? It not personal just business...

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"It's critical that consumers have the option to repair things that go wrong, as well as upgrade their own hardware to keep it relevant as new technologies roll out."

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Apple does allow you buy a new $3800 laptop any time you want to keep up with relevant technology. Just don't touch their hardware in your laptop, and you will get along fine. It's all part of the "Apple Experience".

Wow this damn thread has turned into a fanboy fiasco. Let me throw in my two cents.

In my household, I own a 27" iMac, MacBook Pro 13" and family members own an iPod Touch and iPhone 4S and almost every iPod made.

I love the Macs. I'm in college now and I want something that's not going to take up my time with me tinkering around with it. The Mac does just that. Power it on, use it for schoolwork, power it off. There's a hell of a lot of little details that just piss the hell out of me about OS X but it's nothing to cry about. Hell, if this was when I was still in high school, I'd say screw Apple and I'd use a PC 100% of the time.

The big advantage I see about Macs is the fact they can run OS X and Windows. Of couse, some laptops can do that but it's usually a pain and you don't know what update will kill it. The 27" iMac has a phenomenal display. The resolution is outstanding and the clarity is lifelike. Dell came out with an XPS that's identical to the iMac but more powerful. If buying new, I'd buy the Dell. It's more powerful and I believe several hundred dollars cheaper.

The iPhones/iPod touch is a waste of time. I owned the iPod touch before I had a smartphone. Finally got my Droid and every time I look at the iPod/iPhone I wonder how people can use these things. They do sh*t compared to my Android. If I got an iPhone/iPod Touch for free, it'd be on Ebay within the day.

iPods, they were good while they lasted. My iPod Classic is still the best portable music player around in my opinion. All the iPods were great except the Shuffles and a few Nano's here and there but for the most part, I like them.

Now, NONE of these Apple products were bought from an Apple store. If anything, I bought them used from people who didn't realize it had warranty and got it repaired through Apple. I'll never go out and support Apple directly. My 27" 2011 iMac cost me $1025 with a 2TB HD, i7, and 8GB RAM. I'd probably spend $1200 max on it. My 2009 MBP cost me $350 with a C2D, 4GB RAM, 80GB HDD. I'd probably spend $700 tops on that (back in 2009).

Now about this Mac, the display is phenomenal. Is it worth it, hell no. Is the laptop worth it? Hell no. The fact that nothing is upgradable pisses off everybody who's had a PC but think about it from Apple's standpoint. Almost everybody who buy's a Mac doesn't know much about hardware. They're not going to be cracking the computer open to replace the hard drive or RAM, they want a fast machine and Apple achieved that. SSD's going to be blazing fast. On board RAM saves space. No optical drive, well I guess no movies but not that big of a deal. I barely use my optical drive. The way I look at it, this is a desktop replacement for Apple fanboys and thankfully Apple didn't pull another Dell Inspiron 9100.

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Apple does allow you buy a new $3800 laptop any time you want to keep up with relevant technology. Just don't touch their hardware in your laptop, and you will get along fine. It's all part of the "Apple Experience".

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Have you ever owned, operated, opened, changed a component, upgraded the RAM, or preformed maintenance on any Mac computers?

I don't think so.

The less these guys know the more they criticize .

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Originally posted by Ben79:

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Apple does allow you buy a new $3800 laptop any time you want to keep up with relevant technology. Just don't touch their hardware in your laptop, and you will get along fine. It's all part of the "Apple Experience".

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Have you ever owned, operated, opened, changed a component, upgraded the RAM, or preformed maintenance on any Mac computers?

I don't think so.

The less these guys know the more they criticize .

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All Macs I've come by I've upgraded. Laptops are of course more restrictive than desktops but they're upgradable. The only nazi move Apple did was the hard drive issue in the 2011 iMacs. That was unnecessary.

This is one ugly machine.

Does Dell know what an industrial designer is?

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Laptops are of course more restrictive than desktops but they're upgradable.

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Six screws on recent models.
That's really difficult for a genius.

As an Apple tech for my school department I love this when it breaks no more working on it in house pack it up in a box (will have to order a lot of them)and send it off to the state for repairs // at a 100.00 per hour let them fix it. this will free up all sorts of time for me to play a game on my ps3 instead of losing sleep on what to do and how to fix it... love the new ideas ... to bad for the Mac fan boys they will have to pay someone like me once the warranty runs out ... money in the bank

Originally posted by salsa36:

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Really? how many times do you have to fix an apple computer?
I have 3 Macbook Pro and I've never had a problem (one of them is 5 years old).
Think about it. What would you do if those were your products, would you want people to do stuff by themselves or get some extra income? It not personal just business...

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Really? Don't you know Apple does *NOT* produce *ANY* of the components inside their "products"? Don't you know that the *SAME* memory, processor, SSD, etc. can be found on a laptop which costs 10% of the price?

BTW, I have a Linux box acting as a router which has never been shut down in 18 years but for power surges or upgrades, a couple of HP ML110 servers 10 years old each, a desktop computer which is 10 years old, the same smartphone for the last 3 years... All of them surviving in good health because I don't knock about them in a regular basis (most fanboys are more concerned about their crapple gadgets than their own lives) and, yes, I could upgrade them without desoldering or removing glue from anything.

Originally posted by robertmro:

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Laptops are of course more restrictive than desktops but they're upgradable.

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Six screws on recent models.
That's really difficult for a genius.

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And a soldered-down SSD chip array and RAM. Oops! Upgrade THAT, genius. And don't forget the glued-down components and case =p !

Oh, and let's not ignore the fact that those "6 screws" are all very, VERY non-standard.

You're *not* going to be able to gloss over the fact that this very expensive machine is expressly designed to not be upgradeable by most (in fact, nearly all) users.

P.S. Sherlock is a fictional character, and therefore is smarter than noone at all =) .

Originally posted by dali:

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Originally posted by salsa36:

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Really? how many times do you have to fix an apple computer?
I have 3 Macbook Pro and I've never had a problem (one of them is 5 years old).
Think about it. What would you do if those were your products, would you want people to do stuff by themselves or get some extra income? It not personal just business...

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Really? Don't you know Apple does *NOT* produce *ANY* of the components inside their "products"? Don't you know that the *SAME* memory, processor, SSD, etc. can be found on a laptop which costs 10% of the price?

BTW, I have a Linux box acting as a router which has never been shut down in 18 years but for power surges or upgrades, a couple of HP ML110 servers 10 years old each, a desktop computer which is 10 years old, the same smartphone for the last 3 years... All of them surviving in good health because I don't knock about them in a regular basis (most fanboys are more concerned about their crapple gadgets than their own lives) and, yes, I could upgrade them without desoldering or removing glue from anything.

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Lets hear it for the retina display.

Originally posted by dali:

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Originally posted by salsa36:

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Really? Don't you know Apple does *NOT* produce *ANY* of the components inside their "products".

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Not completely true anymore.

Apple is producing more of their components to reduce size.

I love Linux too but don't forget OSX is Linux based and Linux isn't really appropriate for the average user.

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P.S. Sherlock is a fictional character, and therefore is smarter than noone at all =) .

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Who is noone?

Originally posted by robertmro:

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P.S. Sherlock is a fictional character, and therefore is smarter than noone at all =) .

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Who is noone?

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"No one". You're going to have to do a lot better than nitpicking typos. Perhaps a counter-argument, as a suggestion?

Originally posted by 4iiiis:

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Lets hear it for the retina display.

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Hear what? You just quoted the entire post. If you're talking about the manufacturer of the retina display, as you should know, it's developed by Samsung.

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Originally posted by robertmro:

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P.S. Sherlock is a fictional character, and therefore is smarter than noone at all =) .

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Who is noone?

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"No one". You're going to have to do a lot better than nitpicking typos. Perhaps a counter-argument, as a suggestion?

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My best best retort is: If you hate APPLE, which I think you do, and you would never buy an APPLE product. Why don't you just leave APPLE fanboys (and girls) alone to spend their money the way they want to?.
They don't need or want to be "educated" by you.

There has to be a fundamental problem underlying your need to criticize them and only you can figure out what that is.

In terms of what is really better, a Mac, a PC or a Linux box? Each person has to decide that for themselves.

In the free world we have choices.

I rest my case.

Originally posted by robertmro:

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Originally posted by dali:

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Really? Don't you know Apple does *NOT* produce *ANY* of the components inside their "products".

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Not completely true anymore.

Apple is producing more of their components to reduce size.

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Nope. They order other manufacturers to build the same things but smaller or with different shapes, so they only fit into their cases. That's not a slight difference.

If not, please, tell me, who are the actually makers of the RAM, the SSD, the processor, the Graphics chip, the retina display, ...?

Originally posted by robertmro:

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I love Linux too but don't forget OSX is Linux based and Linux isn't really appropriate for the average user.

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OSX is Unix based, like Linux itself.

Originally posted by Notcow:

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Maybe Apple finally realized that all of their customers are so technologically inept that they don't have any concern for fixing things themselves, or upgrading RAM for that matter. Everyone I know who owns a Mac most likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a laptop with 4GB of RAM vs 16GB of RAM.

Also, using glued in batteries may have something to do with trying to fit in another battery. So they don't need to worry about clips and such. Either way, this will be just another one of Apple's shiny, expensive jails.

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I enjoyed your sense of humor and I tend to agree with everything you said.

Originally posted by robertmro:

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In the free world we have choices.

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So we have. And, in fact, we have the choice of ranting at whatever bad practice we hear about.

We're not asking anyone to agree with us. We know there'll always be people who find this FAIL awesome or, at least, suitable for their needs. Not my case. I don't find any joy in burning my money away.

Originally posted by robertmro:

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Originally posted by Ben79:

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Apple does allow you buy a new $3800 laptop any time you want to keep up with relevant technology. Just don't touch their hardware in your laptop, and you will get along fine. It's all part of the "Apple Experience".

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Have you ever owned, operated, opened, changed a component, upgraded the RAM, or preformed maintenance on any Mac computers?

I don't think so.

The less these guys know the more they criticize .

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I have owned, operated, maintained a few Mac systems. I just don't care for proprietary hardware. The new Retina MacBook Pro just takes it to the proprietary extreme, and reminds of why I do not buy Macs anymore.

Don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm just showing my dislike for what is now the Apple mantra. Just stating my opinion... which is neither right or wrong.

Originally posted by robertmro:

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My best best retort is: If you hate APPLE, which I think you do, and you would never buy an APPLE product. Why don't you just leave APPLE fanboys (and girls) alone to spend their money the way they want to?.
They don't need or want to be "educated" by you.

There has to be a fundamental problem underlying your need to criticize them and only you can figure out what that is.

In terms of what is really better, a Mac, a PC or a Linux box? Each person has to decide that for themselves.

In the free world we have choices.

I rest my case.

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Oh Robert how we have missed you and your Genius-level Apple fanboyism. It has certainly been awhile. How can you possibly defend a product that cannot by fixed or upgraded without being sent in?

I have worked on over a dozen MacBooks (the ugly white ones) from the 2007-2010 period for friends and family and almost ALL of them had dead HDDs, slower performance, etc. On those, the owners called Apple who wanted to charge $150 just to LOOK at it, not including components. The actual price to add RAM and replace the HDD? About $70 and 15 minutes work.

Apple computers are built for those who just want a computer "that works" without caring about what is inside or learning even the basics of computer use. They pay a very heavy premium for such a "luxury." The old "Macs don't get viruses" adage has been decimated. What other arguments are there? "Macs dont break down." I beg to differ, as does my buddy who used to work at the Apple Store in Westchester. "Macs perform better." Put $2199 worth of specs together in a Windows or Linux rig and see if the Mac keeps up.

Robert, I know you own the 4S, the iPod Touch, a Nano, iPad 1,2,3, MacBook Pro and probably an old school G3, but please, if you have nothing to bring to the table, why come?

Also, if you're gonna nitpick on people's grammar, in your very first post, its "than," not "then."

Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Apple computers are built for those who just want a computer "that works" without caring about what is inside or learning even the basics of computer use. They pay a very heavy premium for such a "luxury." The old "Macs don't get viruses" adage has been decimated. What other arguments are there? "Macs dont break down." I beg to differ, as does my buddy who used to work at the Apple Store in Westchester. "Macs perform better." Put $2199 worth of specs together in a Windows or Linux rig and see if the Mac keeps up.

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I see no better argument... Since I stood in line to plop down $100 for the first ever break in ramm prices (a whopping $100 for 8MB, yes, 8MB), I've seen the hand built PCs run circles around our Apple counter parts.

Even from my first dual core AMD 1600FX scorching a dual core Apple Power Mac doing video rendering (by 12 hours) there has to be something to the "real world physics".

I believe it's a simple case of good people hating to see bad things/business happening to equally good people. We just can't be there for their intervention.

Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Robert, I know you own the 4S, the iPod Touch, a Nano, iPad 1,2,3, MacBook Pro and probably an old school G3, but please, if you have nothing to bring to the table, why come?

Also, if you're gonna nitpick on people's grammar, in your very first post, its "than," not "then."

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Ah, I was gonna rip into it, you just robbed me of the pleasure...

Originally posted by iamgq:

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Originally posted by cyprusrom:

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Originally posted by iamgq:

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Just wondering, if you guys got this computer for free (won it it whatever), would you really be in a rush to upgrade it? replace the screen or anything off it?

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No, wouldn't upgrade it. Would sell it to an CrApple-sheeple, make a nice profit and with half the money buy a real computer, with total control over it.

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Ok fair enough, please tell me were I can go buy a real computer? fill me in with the specs and all. Id like a real computer for once.

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That is easy...just make sure it doesn't have as a logo an apple that's been bitten off.
If I were to nitpick at the logo, I'd say it represents everything Apple stands for- everything except care for its customers. That is the little(BIG) piece that is missing.

It should be a crime to exploit people that cannot think for themselves.Those people should be protected under some Disability Rights Laws. However, there comes the free will issue again(which in the case of fanatic Apple fan-boys is a bit of an oxymoron, since they seem to be brainwashed into buying anything with an Apple logo on it, even if it is just an ordinary brick).
If you don't want or cannot think, don't care, don't want to know,and have the money to throw around and buy the luxury of not being bothered to know or think, please do buy that luxury. Just give up on trying to convince people that a turd can smell like roses.

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Oh Robert how we have missed you and your Genius-level Apple fanboyism. It has certainly been awhile.

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DVDBack23, are you really a staff member?

OK then you should be smart enough to track down my resume.

How does it compare to yours?

"DVDBack23, are you really a staff member?

OK then you should be smart enough to track down my resume.

How does it compare to yours?"

Resumes are mostly lies.

I was one of the 200 people people who worked for Stanford U assembling the first internet site in the US. Most likely before you were born.

Being an Apple fanboy doesn't fair well for you. If I was a supervisor I would throw your resume into the circular file.

Sorry to be so harsh but Apples really are not that great unless you just want to press the, "go button."

One program that I can think of is useable for me. That is Pro Tools. Since I own a 32 track recording machine, Pro Tools would be redundant. I can find editing tools for the PC that won't break the bank.

Jeff

Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:

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"DVDBack23, are you really a staff member?

OK then you should be smart enough to track down my resume.

How does it compare to yours?"

Resumes are mostly lies.

I was one of the 200 people people who worked for Stanford U assembling the first internet site in the US. Most likely before you were born.


Being an Apple fanboy doesn't fair well for you. If I was a supervisor I would throw your resume into the circular file.

Sorry to be so harsh but Apples really are not that great unless you just want to press the, "go button."

One program that I can think of is useable for me. That is Pro Tools. Since I own a 32 track recording machine, Pro Tools would be redundant. I can find editing tools for the PC that won't break the bank.

Jeff

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Check my resume little man.
You grew up watching my stuff on TV and the movies.
Moderating afterdawn for peanuts or less, you're making my side hurt. lol.

Oh, I forgot. Say hi to Al Gore for me.

If Apple can sell this idea, then more power to them.

I personally like being able to repair, tweak and customize the things I own. But I also respect that some people don't have the desire to tinker and some people just want to be able to say they own the newest and shiniest toy on the market. It doesn't make them any dumber or smarter in my opinion. It just makes them consumers with apparently a lot more disposable income than me.

"Check my resume little man.
You grew up watching my stuff on TV and the movies.
Moderating afterdawn for peanuts or less, you're making my side hurt. lol.

Oh, I forgot. Say hi to Al Gore for me."

I doubt it, I was born in '55. I watched real cartoons and other TV show. 99% of those people who created, produced and stared in have passed away.

Do your history and you will find out where the first internet site was located in the US. Which as we both know has nothing to do with Al Gore.

Impress me.. Email me your resume. I'm not going to waste my time figuring out who you proclaim to be.

While you're at it, pull your head out of the back side and admit Apple isn't all what you pimps make it out to be.

Edit:

If you do a little digging, you'll find out I was a radiological/Electronics detection
device design engineer. You know... radiation detection that saves lives?

The testing for the internet was a voluntary job. Since I knew a little something, something about computers I wanted to help.

My name is still listed on the SLAC website. All you have to do is figure out what my name is.

Jeff

thats a huge reason why i dont touch macs,, ya cant really upgrade them, and yes price of parts are triple.

I will NEVER get a mac.

Ive worked on peoples computers, and some thats all they knew was a mac. but they wanted to always upgreade. i told them about the wonder PC. and 1 guy literally threw his mac in the trash lol and went out and bought a brand new intel laptop. he said it was the best thing hes ever done.

So if ya have a mac, just throw it away, dont sell it, or give it away, we dont want others to be in the same boat.

mac is really for those out there who are basically "Simple" and when i mean simple, i mean those who dont know the difference between there butthole and a hole in the ground.

This is one of the best fanboy hi-jacked news topics I've read in a while. If you're posting here arguing about components then you are not part of Apple's average consumer base, so as valid as your point may be you're somewhat missing the point.

Apple has always been about 'innovation' and user experience (at least, in my opinion). They sell decent spec (albeit overpriced), well designed products and this ticks both of the boxes that the average Apple consumer will be considering. There's also the undeniable 'designer culture' surrounding the brand. Apple sell to their target market and they do it well.

Before I get jumped on for sounding like an Apple fanboy, I think it's pretty horrible. I would rather have a laptop for the money, for obvious reasons.

The only thing I appreciate about Apple products is build quality; something that does get overlooked in my opinion. The touchpad and keyboard, for example, are the best I've used on any laptop (and the functionality that the touchpad gestures bring).

Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:

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"Check my resume little man.
You grew up watching my stuff on TV and the movies.
Moderating afterdawn for peanuts or less, you're making my side hurt. lol.

Oh, I forgot. Say hi to Al Gore for me."

I doubt it, I was born in '55. I watched real cartoons and other TV show. 99% of those people who created, produced and stared in have passed away.

Do your history and you will find out where the first internet site was located in the US. Which as we both know has nothing to do with Al Gore.

Impress me.. Email me your resume. I'm not going to waste my time figuring out who you proclaim to be.

While you're at it, pull your head out of the back side and admit Apple isn't all what you pimps make it out to be.

Edit:

If you do a little digging, you'll find out I was a radiological/Electronics detection
device design engineer. You know... radiation detection that saves lives?

The testing for the internet was a voluntary job. Since I knew a little something, something about computers I wanted to help.

My name is still listed on the SLAC website. All you have to do is figure out what my name is.

Jeff

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The game is over, check your messages.

Peace

Robert

my pc is better than yours

Honestly I don't think it's all THAT bad. Looking at the specs of the machine the price is not as ridiculous as it could have been.
The real deal breaker in my opinion is the fact its not really repairable.
Mac's are typically pretty reliable, but when they break down they BREAK DOWN. So not being able to repair them really isn't good since lord knows the apple "geniuses" don't know what they are doing.
I'm a pc man, almost all my computers, desktop or laptop, are pc's. But I got a few macs here and there. Get them at the right price and they are good machines.
So I don't get this argument!
Let the fanboys buy it, then buy it off them for a lower price!

Apple does thing how they want to do them, plain and simple. Look at every product that they have produced, they are extremely hard if not impossible to fix yourself.

People who love apple will spend their money on apple products, that is a fact. Just like people who love windows or linux will spend their money the same way. We all have some vice that we dont want to bend on, and Apple people are no exception to the rule. Me, im a windows man myself, but i grew up using apple products. Doesnt mean that i like them, but it gave me the first taste of what a computer was, and all these years later i still turn to windows because it is what im comfortable with, and to be truthful i can customize it the way i want it. My win7 laptop is as unique as i am, boot screen welcome screen and all. Cant say i can do that too much with a mac. not to mention i can customize my laptop and desktop. I have a 2k beast at home running 1GB video and 48GB RAM, it eats apple machines alive and craps on steve jobs grave :).

But i must say this though, we all love what we love in this world.

Originally posted by robertmro:

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Oh Robert how we have missed you and your Genius-level Apple fanboyism. It has certainly been awhile.

DVDBack23, are you really a staff member?

OK then you should be smart enough to track down my resume.

How does it compare to yours?

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I could do that, or I could do something else. You lost credibility by hijacking all Android threads on Afterdawn with your fanboyism, especially articles that only briefly mentioned Apple. Unless you are Steve Wozniak, can't see why your resume would have any bearing on that. If you are "The Woz," then welcome to AD and enjoy your stay, thanks for your innovation in the field of tech :)

Robertson, you fail, and miserably at that.

Some points for your badly-needed illumination:
- No one cares one iota about your resume. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
- No one (OK, most of us) is/are saying Apples are junk, just that they are overpriced for what you get. This is especially difficult to deny on this case.
- Anything this expensive should not be REGRESSIVE in design.
- Just because you can't/won't/are terrified of maintaining and upgrading your computer, doesn't mean that holds true for other people.
- Getting in pissing matches with site staff is counterproductive, no matter which site it is.

Stop wagging your e-peen about; you're merely embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by 21Q:

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The real deal breaker in my opinion is the fact its not really repairable.

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Which is exactly the point of the news and the arguing. :)

Originally posted by robertmro:

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Originally posted by Ben79:

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Apple does allow you buy a new $3800 laptop any time you want to keep up with relevant technology. Just don't touch their hardware in your laptop, and you will get along fine. It's all part of the "Apple Experience".

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Have you ever owned, operated, opened, changed a component, upgraded the RAM, or preformed maintenance on any Mac computers?

I don't think so.

The less these guys know the more they criticize .

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I have. Been using, fixing, and maintaining them for years. Most of them are a real pain to work on and contrary to belief Apples do fail. I mean they are made of essentially the same parts as any other PC made by the same companies that make parts for all other computer brands. The least Apple could do is make a 3 year warranty standard on their Pro lines for the price people pay. You have to pay an additional $350 for the extra 2 years which is also ridiculous.

I've had my macbook pro for 2 years now. Not 1 single problem EVER. Didn't buy the stupid applecare because I have the ability to do repairs if I ever need to. Now, these new macbooks do make it incredibly hard to repair, and I really dont like that. Apple has made these machines incredibly durable (which is an assumption) considering they've blocked user repair by design. I think this shows how confident they really are in their products. I will happily trade the ability to make my own repairs for better performance and durability, cause quite frankly I dont have time to fix shit.

I'm going to go buy a PC so I can see what it feels like to fix my own screen and upgrad it since the pice of crap was worthless from the beginning. If I'm lucky I might spend more money on it than a Mac. Keep you're fingers crossed for me guys.

Originally posted by jrp696:

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I've had my macbook pro for 2 years now. Not 1 single problem EVER. Didn't buy the stupid applecare because I have the ability to do repairs if I ever need to. Now, these new macbooks do make it incredibly hard to repair, and I really dont like that. Apple has made these machines incredibly durable (which is an assumption) considering they've blocked user repair by design. I think this shows how confident they really are in their products. I will happily trade the ability to make my own repairs for better performance and durability, cause quite frankly I dont have time to fix shit.

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I have yet to see a Mac that has better performance and as far as durability goes Apple does make Quality hardware but their Foxconn Motherboards and other parts are the same as other computers so reliability is about the same IMO. Of course you hear less about Mac breaking because they have less out there being used but even though there are some low end brands of PCs you can still get a high quality computer from an OEM that will last just as long and work just as well as that Mac for less money. I have building, fixing, and managing computers for both PCs and Macs for 20 years and have yet to see any proof that Macs are more reliable by design. I have had Macs come DOA and some that worked flawlessly and the same goes for the PCs I have managed. Open up a iMac or Macbook and you will see the same Intel Processors/Chipsets, the same brand hard drives and GPUs, and the same cheap bulk RAM and other parts you find in any PC. The 13 inch Macbook I have had cheap ass Hynix Ram, a seagate Hard Drive and when I bootcamped it with Windows it had a cheap ass Marvel Network card you would find in any consumer oriented PC. Sure the case was durable but I do not think it would withstand a fall or drop much better than most other PCs. Maybe you should drop yours and find out.

Oh and for the record I had a Dell Notebook that ran fine for 6 years with no issues what so ever. Battery still even worked before I retired it and bought an HP which I have to be honest is built really well. Very solid brushed aluminum case and nice smooth keyboard all with Quad Core/8gb ram and a 15.6" 1080P screen all for $700. The only change I made was I replaced the spindle drive with an SSD because HP wanted way too much for that upgrade from them but even then I would have been around a grand or so. This will probably last me another 4 - 6 years without an issue too.

Let up on the APPLE hate thing for a minute.

A long time ago an old-timer said to me "I remember when I could repair a logic board, but now they're too difficult to find the functions on. When something goes bad you have to replace the whole thing."

People were dumbfounded when Apple dropped the floppy drive. Etc.

There could be a significant shift here.

I would never dream of opening up my iPhone or iPad for any reason.

I did replace the hard drive in my 17" MacBook Pro for a faster drive (72,000 rpm) and will probably replace it with a SSD when the higher capacity ones drop in price. I also upped my RAM to 16GB but you know what, I never even come close to running out of memory and I use programs like MAYA, Nuke and Vue. What I really need is more cores but I also need to be mobile so a workstation is not a consideration.

The express slot is needed for camera storage media.

The only thing left to consider is monitor calibration.

There are some industry initiatives like Aces but I don't know if this retina display is calibrated already. It's possible.

Now to the point. How long will it be until the MacBook Pro has double the cores or more. Why would I want to replace the display myself, I'm too busy working on what really matters to me. And Apple has just moved to SSD for the product line and we all know that hard drives will be obsolete soon.

I have no doubt that as postproduction work moves to 4k the best option will be to use a remote render farm. So I only need to set things up, not render them.

A thin, light weight, fast, closed machine is what I need and Apple suits my needs perfectly.

Dell and HP, if they can manage to compete financially, will probably follow suit eventually.
That is, if my scenario is correct.
If I'm wrong they wouldn't.

Why Apple in the first place?
In 1990 when I first moved to digital postproduction, Adobe products where Mac only.
When I could have changed to PC Adobe wouldn't cross grade me to Windows.
So blame it on Adobe.

Originally posted by robertmro:

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Let up on the APPLE hate thing for a minute.

A long time ago an old-timer said to me "I remember when I could repair a logic board, but now they're too difficult to find the functions on. When something goes bad you have to replace the whole thing."

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Wow you must be hooked up to an IV of that koolaid. You take an example of repairing a logic board that used to cost thousands of dollars for that one part to logic/motherboards of today which are fairly cheap even if you get into the advanced ones. Not to mention a Logic Board is essentially one part and one function of the PC. So now you defend Apple for basically soldering just about everything to the logic board because they claim is saves more space and makes it more reliable. It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with Apple control. I mean if they are so darned reliable why only the one year warranty standard and the hefty price for the extended?

It is almost impossible to repair a multilayer PC board without destroying it. These days it's replace the thing. It's not 1982 ya know?

Still, it does not give Apple the okay for making it virtually impossible to replace the battery, SSD etc.

Jeff

...Oh, holy God. What about when it's time to replace your CMOS battery (because yes, it damn well DOES have one, being an Intel system now)? Oy vey. That little $5 CR2032 lithium battery is gonna set you back, what, $70 to get Apple to crack the case for you?

Damn straight, you better get that extended service plan ;8>. !

And no, robertmro, I don't hate Apple (or Macs) at all; I've used 'em plenty. But there's only so much "ease-of-use" compensates for the significantly (50%+) inflated costs or Apple's Great White Father approach to their users, I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:

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It is almost impossible to repair a multilayer PC board without destroying it. These days it's replace the thing. It's not 1982 ya know?

Still, it does not give Apple the okay for making it virtually impossible to replace the battery, SSD etc.

Jeff

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And that is my point. It is different when something is so microscopically soldered and connected compared to taking interchangeable components and soldering them to the board so they can never be replaced except by the manufacturer. Plenty of companies have been sued for practices such as this and lost but yet apple gets away with it.

robertmro, they do not make 72,000 rpm drive. hard drives will be around for a long while yet.

Jeffrey_P, i can replace any component on a multi-layer board except for solder ball components like south & north bridge ic's. i was using pinless cpu's made by texas instruments back in 98-99 on sun microsystems enterprise sever boards when intel, amd & via were still putting pins on their cpu's.

God bless all of you.
I'm dumping my Apple stuff in the East River tonight and moving to a deserted island without electricity to write my own operating system on an abacus.
And I thought CNET was a madhouse!

"Jeffrey_P, i can replace any component on a multi-layer board except for solder ball components like south & north bridge ic's. i was using pinless cpu's made by texas instruments back in 98-99 on sun microsystems enterprise sever boards when intel, amd & via were still putting pins on their cpu's."

Yes, they are surface mount which is different. Like you said, you don't have to worry about solder that may penetrate x amount of layers. Amiga's had plug-in chips (headers) in '87. Come to think of it, so did 8088 motherboards.

Jeff

Robertmro, don't be a silly drama queen; you're not very good at it.

No one told you to ditch Apple. Nor that Apples, of themselves, are worthless. But if your e-peen is as directly connected to your real peen as you tend to imply, you're always going to feel *ahem* "threatened". Get used to it, or find a new neurosis ^^' ...

Originally posted by robertmro:

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God bless all of you.
I'm dumping my Apple stuff in the East River tonight and moving to a deserted island without electricity to write my own operating system on an abacus.
And I thought CNET was a madhouse!

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I am with Bozobub on this. The debate is not about if Apple sucks or is good, it is about the direction there going in with there computer design. Take for example if you got a car and you could not install, upgrade, or fix any part you always had to take it to the dealer and get the inflated price. You want those spinning rims well to bad they don't offer them. That is what the anger is about towards Apple's new direction. There is no reason to do what they did. They are literally forcing people to come back to them instead of letting people have an alternative to fix there computers. This will eventually lead to more waste both in the form of products that end up in a landfill and peoples hard earned money. As many people that buy this MacBook as the computer ages will just toss it instead of paying Apple to fix it when a problem arises. Why pay Apple a few hundred or more to fix an old Macbook when they could put that money towards a newer computer. Most people will think that way and Apple knows it.

Originally posted by jrp696:

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(...) Apple has made these machines incredibly durable (which is an assumption) considering they've blocked user repair by design. I think this shows how confident they really are in their products. (...)

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OMG, have you even read what you've just typed in yourself?

Originally posted by bobiroc:

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I have yet to see a Mac that has better performance and as far as durability goes Apple does make Quality hardware but their Foxconn Motherboards and other parts are the same as other computers so reliability is about the same IMO.

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Exactly my point!