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Megaupload helped the U.S. shutdown NinjaVideo

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 21 Nov 2012 18:10 User comments (16)

Megaupload helped the U.S. shutdown NinjaVideo According to new court documents, Megaupload helped the U.S. in its investigation into NinjaVideo, which was later shut down for good.
This was all 18 months before Kim Dotcom and the company's other operators were indicted, with the popular file hosting site being taken down for good, as well.

In June 2010, the U.S. issued a warrant to search Megaupload's servers in Virginia as part of an investigation into NinjaVideo, a piracy streaming site that used Megaupload's own "Megavideo" service. The government kept it secret, telling Megaupload to do the same.

Kim Dotcom lawyer Ira Rothken said the service "responded as good corporate citizens," turning over information about the five alleged NinjaVideo operators, "as well as database information on the 39 pirated movies detailed in the warrant." The information helped lead to indictments of all five top NinjaVideo administrators.

Adds Rothken: "Megaupload complied with the warrant and cooperated with the government's request. Megaupload had gotten a number of such warrant and subpoena type requests a year and still have an expectation that as classic 'online service providers' they are immune from liability for the acts of users who are the target of such warrants and subpoenas."

Those same files were then used prosecute Dotcom when the U.S. government went after the site this year.

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16 user comments

121.11.2012 18:40

My grandfather told me one day: "When you spit up in the air, it is bound to fall back on your nose." Still applies today...

221.11.2012 19:47

what goes around comes around, No sympathy for Megauploads problems from me.

321.11.2012 22:12

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

-Pastor Niemoller



422.11.2012 21:43

Am i understanding this correctly. Kim Dotcom wants to be exonerated of crimes where in assisted law enforcement to catch other for doing the same thing? Seems to me that only proves he knows he is guilty for doing the same thing? Or does it prove he really isn't as smart as one would think?

522.11.2012 22:16

The title of this article is definitely misleading. It implies that Magaupload actively engaged law enforcement to assist them with their investigation(s). When in reality, they were served with a warrant the company had to legally comply with. Looks like I'll have to be more observant as to which author is publishing, so I don't get roped in again with sensationalist headlines, introducing content that is absolutely meaningless.

623.11.2012 1:07

Originally posted by phobet:
The title of this article is definitely misleading. It implies that Magaupload actively engaged law enforcement to assist them with their investigation(s). When in reality, they were served with a warrant the company had to legally comply with. Looks like I'll have to be more observant as to which author is publishing, so I don't get roped in again with sensationalist headlines, introducing content that is absolutely meaningless.
Except not really. I'll ask one question. Did Megaupload help get NinjaVideo shutdown? Yes. Just like the headline says.

723.11.2012 1:47

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by phobet:
The title of this article is definitely misleading. It implies that Magaupload actively engaged law enforcement to assist them with their investigation(s). When in reality, they were served with a warrant the company had to legally comply with. Looks like I'll have to be more observant as to which author is publishing, so I don't get roped in again with sensationalist headlines, introducing content that is absolutely meaningless.
Except not really. I'll ask one question. Did Megaupload help get NinjaVideo shutdown? Yes. Just like the headline says.
The way that it is stated implies that Megaupload willfully aided law enforcement without any prompting, nor requirement, which is not true, according to the article. A more correct statement would be that Megaupload was served with a search warrant, which resulted in NinjaVideo being shut down.

The title describes *willfull* and voluntary compliance (How can I help you?). The article describes *required* compliance (What are the things I have to provide to you.). Two totally different concepts. The title seemed designed to hook people with the idea that Megaupload "ratted out" one of their colleagues. This would definitely get attention because of what they stand accused of. The article describes a totally different event where Megaupload was compelled to either provide data, or provide access to data.

823.11.2012 2:58

Originally posted by phobet:

The title describes *willfull* and voluntary compliance (How can I help you?). The article describes *required* compliance (What are the things I have to provide to you.).
Can't agree with you more, the author here is drawing conclusion and stating something they shouldn't do. No reputable journalist should NEVER do this.

923.11.2012 8:16

Since when did the lawyer types become readers of this site? How does one differentiate between "willful" and "required compliance" ?

With hundreds of thousands of compressed and password protected files being added to their servers does anyone really think that the administrating staff has the time or inclination to go back and search websites publishing those links and passwords to determine copyright violations? They would be too busy with their daily backups, managing bandwidth, managing internet connectivity, user accounts and all the other forms of maintenance! I would like someone to give me a single incidence report of so called "willful" compliance.

1023.11.2012 8:17

Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Originally posted by phobet:

The title describes *willfull* and voluntary compliance (How can I help you?). The article describes *required* compliance (What are the things I have to provide to you.).
Can't agree with you more, the author here is drawing conclusion and stating something they shouldn't do. No reputable journalist should NEVER do this.


A double negative implying " reputable journalists should always do this "

1123.11.2012 12:50

Originally posted by pmshah:
Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Originally posted by phobet:

The title describes *willfull* and voluntary compliance (How can I help you?). The article describes *required* compliance (What are the things I have to provide to you.).
Can't agree with you more, the author here is drawing conclusion and stating something they shouldn't do. No reputable journalist should NEVER do this.


A double negative implying " reputable journalists should always do this "

Or, just merely a typo..

1223.11.2012 13:17

Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Originally posted by phobet:

The title describes *willfull* and voluntary compliance (How can I help you?). The article describes *required* compliance (What are the things I have to provide to you.).
Can't agree with you more, the author here is drawing conclusion and stating something they shouldn't do. No reputable journalist should NEVER do this.

Silly conversation as you are both stretching wildly. They DID help get ninjavideo shutdown, whether it was willful or not. Jeez.

1323.11.2012 13:28

Originally posted by pmshah:
Since when did the lawyer types become readers of this site? How does one differentiate between "willful" and "required compliance" ?


Willful compliance could be described as doing something you are asked to do, because you want to do it. No harm, no foul should you refuse.

Required compliance could be described as doing something you are asked to do, because if you don't, there are consequences. License to operate revoked, fines levied, etc.

Originally posted by pmshah:
With hundreds of thousands of compressed and password protected files being added to their servers does anyone really think that the administrating staff has the time or inclination to go back and search websites publishing those links and passwords to determine copyright violations? They would be too busy with their daily backups, managing bandwidth, managing internet connectivity, user accounts and all the other forms of maintenance! I would like someone to give me a single incidence report of so called "willful" compliance.


At this time, data access and archive providers are going through the same trials that the Telcos did when there were acquiring "Common Carrier" status. Back in the day, the Telco could not be held accountable for the content that traversed their network, be it voice or data. They treated it all equally. So if someone were to call your phone repeatedly, the phone company could not be held responsible. Of course, they *did* provide technical expertise, when required, to assist law enforcement officials in the course of their duties. So the calls placed to your number could be traced, the harassing caller could be located, and police could arrest the person doing the harassment.

It's going to be interesting to see how it all pans out. While the Internet providers want to have "Common Carrier" status, some of them also want to charge extra for the type of data traversing their networks. The Netflix / Comcast debacle would be one instance. Another would be the AT&T / FaceTime controversy. The interesting correlation between the two is that if there was no compelling content available on or via the Internet, there would be no demand for their services, and their business model for providing it would fail. Anyone who has ever used the Mosaic browser would know exactly what I am talking about.

1423.11.2012 13:53

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Originally posted by phobet:

The title describes *willfull* and voluntary compliance (How can I help you?). The article describes *required* compliance (What are the things I have to provide to you.).
Can't agree with you more, the author here is drawing conclusion and stating something they shouldn't do. No reputable journalist should NEVER do this.

Silly conversation as you are both stretching wildly. They DID help get ninjavideo shutdown, whether it was willful or not. Jeez.
Not silly at all, but an observation of perceived (intended or not) meaning. I *do* have to say that I have tremendously enjoyed this discourse. Not for the confrontational aspect of it. After all, there always is some form of confrontation when people of different views and opinions express their thoughts on a subject. But for the differing views and viewpoints that have been presented in this dialog.

1523.11.2012 14:50

Originally posted by pmshah:
Since when did the lawyer types become readers of this site? How does one differentiate between "willful" and "required compliance" ?

With hundreds of thousands of compressed and password protected files being added to their servers does anyone really think that the administrating staff has the time or inclination to go back and search websites publishing those links and passwords to determine copyright violations? They would be too busy with their daily backups, managing bandwidth, managing internet connectivity, user accounts and all the other forms of maintenance! I would like someone to give me a single incidence report of so called "willful" compliance.


Originally posted by phobet:
Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Originally posted by phobet:

The title describes *willfull* and voluntary compliance (How can I help you?). The article describes *required* compliance (What are the things I have to provide to you.).
Can't agree with you more, the author here is drawing conclusion and stating something they shouldn't do. No reputable journalist should NEVER do this.

Silly conversation as you are both stretching wildly. They DID help get ninjavideo shutdown, whether it was willful or not. Jeez.
Not silly at all, but an observation of perceived (intended or not) meaning. I *do* have to say that I have tremendously enjoyed this discourse. Not for the confrontational aspect of it. After all, there always is some form of confrontation when people of different views and opinions express their thoughts on a subject. But for the differing views and viewpoints that have been presented in this dialog.
get a life dude!

1624.11.2012 23:32

Originally posted by tongun6:


get a life dude!


Please come back when you gain enough maturity to care about something enough, to actually speak intelligently about it. Anyone can say "get a life" to trivialize another person's opinion. It takes absolutely no thought, no commitment, and no balls at all. It's the equivalent of a "cheap shot".

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