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other than being shiny and new there is nothing all that special about w8. i hate the metro interface. i've installed a program to get me straight to the desktop like i'm use to and to give me a start button and the other functions i'm use to having instead of that tile bs that is totally worthless on a non-touch screen. too bad the charm bar keeps popping up when i'm nowhere near the corner of the screen. the program is suppose to fix that too but it didn't. i could go into the registry to tweak it but i don't use that laptop enough to bother with it.

Makes me wonder why IBM's OS/2 and it's successor, eComStation isn't popular like it should be.

OS/2, unlike the various Linux flavors, IS compatible with Windows programs....

Microsoft went about W8 the wrong way. Yes, some of the ideas (such as the Metro interface) were good ones but there is no such thing as a universal operating system... i.e an operating system that is the same regardless of PC, tablet or phone.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by ivymike:

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Makes me wonder why IBM's OS/2 and it's successor, eComStation isn't popular like it should be.

OS/2, unlike the various Linux flavors, IS compatible with Windows programs....

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Probably because most people just don't know about it. I have never used it myself, do you have any experience with it? Is it stable and user friendly, or primarily for business users?
I tried the release candidate of win8, and since I don't have a touchscreen I found no reason to switch from windows 7.

OS/2 and eComStation is comparable to XP. Unlike the Windows O/S, no radical changes to the OS/2 Warp operating system.

Hmmm, sounds like sour grapes to me.
Blame an OS?
How about blaming the cost of PCs or the lack of innovation for a while or the concentration on tablets and smart phones, eh Samsung?

.....or how about just giving this some proper thought and dropping the absurdly wasteful idea that people should throw out (often not disposing of things properly) and replace items of goods (this is not just about PCs) regularly when the new product offers little over the one they already have?

In an increasingly polluted world and a world of finite resources & increasingly expensive to obtain rare resources (particularly in the electronics industry) we really should be making them most of what we already have & not just getting led on by very sophisticated advertising to desire the next model.

Especially so when, in many cases. that next model turns out to offer little or nothing over what we already have.

OS/2 is comparable to WIn95, NOT Win XP, I'm afraid, and furthermore, is not still in development. eComStation has its merits and is still in development, but does NOT support every Windows program out of the box. Furthermore, neither has name recognition with the general public.

Originally posted by ivymike:

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Microsoft went about W8 the wrong way. Yes, some of the ideas (such as the Metro interface) were good ones but there is no such thing as a universal operating system... i.e an operating system that is the same regardless of PC, tablet or phone.

Just my opinion.

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I agree. I just don't see any benefits of installing Windows 8 on my desktop. It's a mobile OS. Plain and simple

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Microsoft went about W8 the wrong way. Yes, some of the ideas (such as the Metro interface) were good ones but there is no such thing as a universal operating system... i.e an operating system that is the same regardless of PC, tablet or phone.

Just my opinion.

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This about sums up my feelings about Win8. On a touch tablet it is pretty good but on the desktop not so much. I think this all could have been solved by having the metro only on Windows RT tablets and both the Metro and Windows start menu on Win8 Home and Pro.

I also like the areo effects in Win 7. Win8 is too plain to me but that is just my personal taste.

I have Windows 8 Enterprise installed on two older Samnsung Slates in my organization and it works very well. The two users of those devices love it and use it as a tablet in their classrooms all the time and say it is the best tablet ever because they can do tablet functions but have the power of a full computer under the hood. Now their iPads collect dust.

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Originally posted by ivymike:

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Microsoft went about W8 the wrong way. Yes, some of the ideas (such as the Metro interface) were good ones but there is no such thing as a universal operating system... i.e an operating system that is the same regardless of PC, tablet or phone.

Just my opinion.

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So true, as a developer I loved what an old dev lead of mine use to say, "When you try to be all thinks to all people, you quickly become nothing for everyone".

Micro$oft has sure proved this to be true.

Originally posted by Interestx:

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Hmmm, sounds like sour grapes to me.
Blame an OS?
How about blaming the cost of PCs or the lack of innovation for a while or the concentration on tablets and smart phones, eh Samsung?

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No blame the OS. Look at the number of companies that have come out and said Win8 sucks and will not support it.

Win 8 is more about a little company in Redmond wanting to capitalize on other companies in a way it never has tried to before. The metro interface is more about allowing users to get apps, who were developed by 3rd party companies who now need to give royalties to M$ for what reason? Simply because they developed the OS which we all need to pay for. Don't get me wrong, I would argue M$ does have a right to charge a subscription for updates and maintenance patches, I'd be completely fine with that. What i'm not a fan of is the Mafia style of dipping into my pocket and getting 25 or 30%. If M$ actually helped me develop my app and marketed for me, cool, 25 or 30% might not be that bad, but for doing nothing, well sorry, that is where most developers like me would go elsewhere with my labor and efforts.

@Jun Dong-soo you are an idiot. Vista was unusable for me, Windows 8 is excellent, with a few issues easily remedied.

Originally posted by Ryoohki:

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other than being shiny and new there is nothing all that special about w8. i hate the metro interface. i've installed a program to get me straight to the desktop like i'm use to and to give me a start button and the other functions i'm use to having instead of that tile bs that is totally worthless on a non-touch screen. too bad the charm bar keeps popping up when i'm nowhere near the corner of the screen. the program is suppose to fix that too but it didn't. i could go into the registry to tweak it but i don't use that laptop enough to bother with it.

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You have written a whole book on your issues wint Windows 8 - then you en with "i don't use that laptop enough to bother with it" - does not look to me like you are not bothered.

Use it for while and get used to it. You might be pleasantly surprised. Resistance to change is hard to overcome

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by Interestx:

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Hmmm, sounds like sour grapes to me.
Blame an OS?
How about blaming the cost of PCs or the lack of innovation for a while or the concentration on tablets and smart phones, eh Samsung?

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No blame the OS. Look at the number of companies that have come out and said Win8 sucks and will not support it.

Win 8 is more about a little company in Redmond wanting to capitalize on other companies in a way it never has tried to before. The metro interface is more about allowing users to get apps, who were developed by 3rd party companies who now need to give royalties to M$ for what reason? Simply because they developed the OS which we all need to pay for. Don't get me wrong, I would argue M$ does have a right to charge a subscription for updates and maintenance patches, I'd be completely fine with that. What i'm not a fan of is the Mafia style of dipping into my pocket and getting 25 or 30%. If M$ actually helped me develop my app and marketed for me, cool, 25 or 30% might not be that bad, but for doing nothing, well sorry, that is where most developers like me would go elsewhere with my labor and efforts.

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Hi

So MS don't have a Store that is accessible from the millions of Pcs out there, they don't host your app for you, they don't have an 'in App Advertising SDK' for you, they did not spend millions building a platform on which you could sell your apps, they did not create the tools with which you build your app,

... interesting

So leave MS and go develop your own OS, and your own apps and your own tools to do your own apps, and by the way, go and build your own marketing solution to get your apps noticeable to the millions of users that may want it ...

Sorry, Ben63 you fail twice, there.

First off, you are making an assumption — and on the face of it, an invalid one — that Ryoohki hasn't used Win8 extensively. You're just going to have to face the fact that dislike of Win8 isn't necessarily "fear of change"; quite a few people dislike Win8 directly for its *cough "merits", thank you very much. Your positive feelings re: the OS are nowhere near universal, so you can stop pretending they are.

Second, your response to SomeBozo is simply fatuous. Your post basically parrots back the exact reasons he doesn't feel M$ deserves 20-30% of the income from an app, to attempt to justify your position. Let's be clear: SomeBozo isn't willing to go to a "walled garden" approach, simply to enrich M$, when he has NOT received commensurate support from M$. This is not an unreasonable stance. Nor is your response of "leave M$" beneficial to any party; M$ sure as HELL does not want developers ditching the OS en masse..!

You may love WIn8, Ben63, but you're in the minority. Learn to deal with it; no one else's negative opinion is invalidated by your positive opinion (or vice versa, of course), no matter how dismissive you feel the need to be.

Personally I have little interest in this.
I'm not buying Win 8, Win 7 is all I need right now on my desktop & laptop.

I can see the attraction of devising an OS that will work on the whole range of computing devices, including tablets & phones.

You never know, when Win 9 or 10 appears & I want to make the change, they may well have got it right.....or more right?

Funnily enough I've been reading guys talking about how they love Win8 with Start 8.
It's said to be faster than Win 7 & has better memory management.

But I suspect a lot of this is like Vista (which was a perfectly good OS after SP1).
Give a dog a bad name.

Originally posted by Interestx:

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Funnily enough I've been reading guys talking about how they love Win8 with Start 8.
It's said to be faster than Win 7 & has better memory management.

But I suspect a lot of this is like Vista (which was a perfectly good OS after SP1).
Give a dog a bad name.

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This is all about the UI. Under the hood the OS performs very well and on a touch interface such as a tablet the UI is very intuitive IMO and works well and easy. When in desktop mode the Metro UI is kind of cumbersome as if you have many applications you can scroll through pages upon pages to find what you need or you have to search. Using a mouse it seems more logical to have a start menu in desktop mode but most of that has to do with what people have been used to for many years. When using a desktop application (even with dual monitors) it looks and feels just like Windows 7 for the most part. So basically most people cannot get past the Metro start page.

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Windows 8 is a touchscreen based OS nothing more nothing less and its not bad at what it does.

Transplant it to a pc without a touchscreen and its rather irritating to say the least - it takes more steps to do the same thing you used to do with one in any previous release. Its not that pretty either!

Windows 8 I may say will usher in the demise of the pc market (maybe thats what Microsnot is trying to do but with sales of the surface abysmal it doesnt look good) unless makers start coming up with 3d touchscreen hologram input devices or better/larger touchscreens.

Originally posted by omendata:

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Windows 8 is a touchscreen based OS nothing more nothing less and its not bad at what it does.

Transplant it to a pc without a touchscreen and its rather irritating to say the least - it takes more steps to do the same thing you used to do with one in any previous release. Its not that pretty either!

Windows 8 I may say will usher in the demise of the pc market (maybe thats what Microsnot is trying to do but with sales of the surface abysmal it doesnt look good) unless makers start coming up with 3d touchscreen hologram input devices or better/larger touchscreens.

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My point exactly. This is not a desktop OS. Those bland square tiles look cute on a mobile phone or tablet. But to hover my mouse over those squares on my desktop is embarrassing. If I want the control panel or device manager I have to type it into the search bar to find it. That's crazy

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Originally posted by Ben63:

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You have written a whole book on your issues wint Windows 8 - then you en with "i don't use that laptop enough to bother with it" - does not look to me like you are not bothered.

Use it for while and get used to it. You might be pleasantly surprised. Resistance to change is hard to overcome

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I'm not resistant to change. For one, the w8 laptop is my secondary one. My main laptop has linux on it. There is nothing in particular that is new and exciting about the functionality of w8 that I couldn't do under w7 or vista. I use my laptops strictly for business or school. The only thing I got was annoyed at the metro ui since I don't have a touchscreen and also with the charm bar popping up when unwanted. The bells and whistles that were added are pretty much useless with non touch devices and they made the process of accessing certain things more convoluted than necessary. Not a big jump forward if you ask me.