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Microsoft finally reveals how Internet connectivity will work on Xbox One, and used game policy

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 06 Jun 2013 21:17 User comments (63)

Microsoft finally reveals how Internet connectivity will work on Xbox One, and used game policy After extreme backlash and outcry over their purported anti-consumer Xbox One, Microsoft has finally come clean, unveiling the official policies for Kinect, used games and online connectivity.

Internet Connectivity



In regards to Internet connectivity, rumored had it that the Xbox One would use "always-on" DRM, meaning an Internet connection is required at all times to play a game, even in single player mode. Microsoft has confirmed the Xbox One will use a restrictive DRM but it is not "always-on." You will be allowed to play on your home console for 24 hours without a connection, but after that you will need to login again to continue playing and get another 24 hours. If you log in with your Xbox account to someone else's console, you will need Internet every hour, even in single player mode. Blu-ray, DVD and TV watching is not affected.

The company also confirmed that sections of some games will require a cloud connection, but that is at the discretion of the developers.

Reads the company's statement:

A persistent connection is 'not required', but one is if you want to 'verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend.'

1.5MB internet connection is recommended


Used Games and Cloud Installation



Microsoft says you can buy games on disc or in digital, but they will be charge of the digital sales. Once you purchase a digital copy, it sits in the cloud for your to install when you can. If you want to play on another console, you will have to login, download and install it there, without need for disc.

Reports had claimed that Microsoft would charge a fee to play used games, but that does not appear to be the case:

"Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."

You read that right. Microsoft will not charge, but publishers are allowed to block used game sales. Publishers don't make a penny off of used game sales, so it is clear that used games will likely be blocked on the Xbox.

On the bright side, you can share games within your library with up to 10 members of your family. "Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend's house," says Microsoft. "Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

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63 user comments

16.6.2013 21:38

A little better but still not great IMO...

You know companies like EA will do whatever they can to block or charge fees for used games.

I see no mention of Kinect being required and what it will do when it is on even if you do not want to use it.


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26.6.2013 21:41

I'll still refuse to buy one of these.

36.6.2013 21:44

Too many restrictions for me. I stood behind Xbox and Microsoft for a long time. But if I buy a game, its mine to do with what I please. I will show my support for Xbox one by keeping my money in my pocket.

I'm not just blowing smoke either, I should be able to buy and play games and never have an internet connection.

Let's see how sales do, hope they're bad enough for Microsoft to change their policy on this.


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46.6.2013 21:44

This is still absurd. Yes I "always" have a live internet connection but the principles matter. What is the point of this extra scrutiny? To combat privacy? Pirates will still find a way no matter how many holes Microsoft patches up.

56.6.2013 21:45

Originally posted by GryphB:
I'll still refuse to buy one of these.
Me too I think... The PS4 looks better to me but if I am going to have to go to a new platform I will just expand my PC gaming where I do not have to worry about older games not working and games are usually cheaper and easier to get. I do not need all their functions so I can watch TV on my XBOX while I am watching TV on my TV.

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66.6.2013 22:29

not every parts of the world has cable\dsl internet connections as some still have dial-up.

76.6.2013 22:51

I wonder how the shared library works with those 10 family members...

86.6.2013 23:30

I will not take part in owning any system where I can't sell my games for a "fair" price. I buy plenty of games and usually don't get rid of them until they are pretty much worthless. If sony comes with the same type of terms then count me out on that too. These restrictions take away any rights that the consumer may have had. If that is what they want to do I say fine because I am sure me and others like me can live without their systems or games. Question is going to be can they live without us buying their wares?

I am sure I will get my gaming fix without Sony or Microsoft. If things don't change I am done and my thousands of dollars of purchases in the coming years are gone too. Good luck Microsoft and Sony. Just saying if they lose most of the people that spend a lot of their money on their gaming toys like me they are in trouble!

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97.6.2013 0:20

The only way I'll buy this console is if someone cracks it wide open ala the Wii. Only then will it be worth the hassle. This is coming from MS fan. Very anti consumer, this console and not for me!

107.6.2013 1:20

"You read that right. Microsoft will not charge, but publishers are allowed to block used game sales. Publishers don't make a penny off of used game sales, so it is clear that used games will likely be blocked on the Xbox. "

Oh I see now, it will be the game developers fault for blocking used games. I guess they think people won't blame them for having this ridiculous restriction built in to their new box.

117.6.2013 1:32

Originally posted by bobiroc:

You know companies like EA will do whatever they can to block or charge fees for used games.

And yet EA just dropped their online pass system for used games.


127.6.2013 2:03

Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake


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137.6.2013 2:43

Quote:
I see no mention of Kinect being required and what it will do when it is on even if you do not want to use it.
This article is actually more in depth than written here on AD. Gameinformer had the most information regarding MS stance on XboxOne, and they mentioned Kinect Always-On. There are different level of privacy settings for Kinect, including as far as keeping it turned off from a software level. Even still, then why have us waist power to the kinect portion of the unit if you can have it blocked in the settings? Still lame, but it's better than nothing.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/arch...y-concerns.aspx
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147.6.2013 3:02

Originally posted by buddyleem:
Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake
People buy used games cause brand new games are wayyyyyyyy to expensive. Personally i'm lucky if i have enough money to buy even 1 new game a month so i choose not to buy them brand new unless it's something i simply "HAVE" to have right awway and thats not alot.

I'm not a fan of new Xbox, not really that big fan of 360 either, i'll take playstation any day of the week and hope they are not as clueless as ms when it comes to 4.

157.6.2013 5:07

Originally posted by DK1979:
People buy used games cause brand new games are wayyyyyyyy to expensive. Personally i'm lucky if i have enough money to buy even 1 new game a month so i choose not to buy them brand new unless it's something i simply "HAVE" to have right awway and thats not alot.

I'm not a fan of new Xbox, not really that big fan of 360 either, i'll take playstation any day of the week and hope they are not as clueless as ms when it comes to 4.
Ah, that's why I love steam and PC gaming. Cheap new games every week. Can't beat that.

167.6.2013 5:57

Originally posted by buddyleem:
Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake
Maybe when you sell your car, you'd like to give the car company an additional cut as well. I mean they built and designed the car, they should be entitled to an additional cut after you own it and decide to sell it right? The price they charge for the new game is supposed to cover the cost of development and marketing.
We'll have to see how the whole loaning to your friends and family turns out, but remember the game developer has control of that now. It's not just about used games from gamestop but loaning/trading games you've BOUGHT and should own. This type of DRM can take away ownership, making it just rented media that you pay full retail price for.
People as ignorant as yourself probably don't understand the difference between owning and renting so I won't waste anymore of my time.
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177.6.2013 8:49

ok so M$ has a leash so tight I only have 24 hours before checking in with them? here are my thoughts:

- Kinect detects motion, blood flow in dark and sound & has to be ALWAYS plugged in

- The Xbox needs internet connection to "Check in" every 24 Hours

- Allot of cloud storage talk..

whether it be M$, NSA, or Marketing research, the "Eyes" In my household is pushing it "WAY" too far, no way in hell would I ever put a device like this in my living room!

187.6.2013 9:49

Originally posted by buddyleem:
Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake
I have no words to describe how tired I am from anti-consumer, and pro-corporate statements like yours.
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I'll stick my foot up your ass.

197.6.2013 10:23

Originally posted by buddyleem:
Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake
Gamestop.... is that really your basis for saying "F used games"?

So you've never heard of Ebay? Never heard of Craiglist? You've never had a friend/relative/co-worker looking to sell a game they're done with?

Gamestop is not the sole outlet for used games. It's generally the last resort.


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More for publishers is good in my book.
I'm sorry but that comment does nothing but assert your ignorance in regards to the current condition for today's developers. If anyone should see the money, it's the developers, not the publishers.

*edit
That being said, the pubs and devs already got paid for that piece of plastic (meaning the disc). Why exactly should they get paid again? It's not as if used games are putting a strain on their servers. Their servers do not support "x" amount of gamers... they support "x" amount of games. So one person selling his disc to another is no different than that one person just keeping it and playing. Either way, it's still just one game (disc) which their server is dealing with.

1 person buys 1 new game = 1 person on their server
1 person buys 1 used game = 1 person on their server, not 2 people.
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207.6.2013 15:00

This is such BS.

If you buy a car at a dealership, the dealership makes money and so does the car manufacture (not directly of course)... BUT if you later plan to sell that same car the dealership or car manufacture should not receive any profits.

This should be the same for the Xbox ONE games. You purchased the game, it's yours. If you plan to sell the game, you should be able to and the person who bought the game should be able to play it without being any restrictions. They shouldn't be an issue that the developers don't make additional money on used game, they already received payment once the game was original sold, you can't keep making more money.

I now hate the new Xbox ONE so much, that I can't wait to get the new Sony Playstation 4. I've always loved the Xbox consoles and had both gens, but I will not get the next gen Xbox ONE console with so many restrictions.

I feel like they are being a big brother saying that I have to be online once after 24 hours use, that is even more BS. Might as well just force the DRM 100%. What is the point of what they are proposing... oh I know, they want us to 'Baby Step' to this idea so when they do force it 100% DRM then we will have some idiots that say... "Oh well, it's like what we almost have now so it shouldn't be a big deal, come on guys 100% DRM is not a bid idea anymore".

Xbox ONE restrictions suck and so will the new VHS looking console. It's almost like they are purposely trying to FAIL.

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217.6.2013 15:01

yeah bhetrick, totally agreed. Granted, this will put a damper for the used game retailers, sorry for the luck, but so many other options to purchase a used game, at a more decent price. And if now the decision is up to the publishers of the games for blocking, you can probably bet it's going to happen, sad but true.

227.6.2013 16:13

People keep using the word "buy" to describe what happens when you obtain a game. That's nice shorthand, but it oversimplifies what is really a much more complex economic arrangement -- far more complicated than obtaining tangible property like a car.

When you obtain a new car, it's easy to set up an arrangement in which you either do or do not get the right to sell it used when you are done with it, depending on whether you are willing to pay a premium for that right. Specifically, you can either:

(a) "Purchase" the car, in which case you get (and pay a premium for) the ability to do whatever you want with it when you are done, including selling it; or

(b) "Lease" the car, in which case you do not get the ability to sell it used when you are done, but you pay a lower price for that arrangement.

In the software business, this is more complicated, because you don't really "own" anything tangible but a physical disc, which has very little value on its own. The real value is in the intangible license that you also purchase in order to use the software on the disc. (Games are just one kind of software.) Re-selling intellectual property such as a software license is a much more complicated legal and economic subject than physical property.

Publishers have used a couple of different models to address that complicated issue. For PCs, we used to see publishers sell you a CD or DVD with the game on it, and no real restrictions. You could use it, then sell it, loan it to a friend, install it on several PCs, or whatever. Then publishers started attaching DRM on PC games. Now, most PC users willingly accept the restrictions on Steam, which doesn't even pretend to give you anything but a non-transferrable license to play the game under your specific UserName. So today, most PC games are non-transferrable. There may be some exceptions, but (a) it is up to the publisher, and (b) most publishers make the PC games non-transferrable.

Consoles have, to date, taken a different approach than PCs. Until now, you have been able to sell the game, so you've had much more liberty with your console games than you have had with your PC games. Now, it seems, the X-Box is going in the same direction that PCs have gone for many years: The publisher can decide whether to let you re-sell the game. We'll see whether Sony does the same thing, but it seems unlikely they would take a approach different than the rest of the industry has already done.

There is a small silver lining to all of this. Economics works. The cost of leasing a new car that you cannot re-sell is lower than the cost of purchasing a new car that you can re-sell. It is lower because economics require it to be lower: Demand for non-resellable cars is lower than demand for resellable cars.

The same is true for intellectual property. The cost to purchase a new game is, over time, necessarily going to be lower if the publishers don't allow resale than the price would be if they do allow resale. Whether publishers like it or not, many people will not pay the same price for a game with resale restrictions. As the posts in this thread demonstrate, many people simply won't pay the same high prices if they can't re-sell their games. Which, in economic terms, means "lower demand." If demand is lower, price will necessarily follow.

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237.6.2013 17:11

Well, SoTired, you've stated a nice detailed economics course class there, but what's your thoughts and opinions about it?

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247.6.2013 17:57

If Sony follows in MS's footsteps, they're morons. If Sony is smart (I know that's saying a lot), they'll let MS keep their restrictions and not have any of their own. Plan being, more Sony consoles just might be sold, simply because it's not "always on", "always watching", and "always checking in".

257.6.2013 18:25

i Will Not Buy any DRM Restricted Crap!


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267.6.2013 19:10

The problem is that games are estimated to increase up to $70 in price. Of course I have no sources for this information, but I have heard it more than one. It definitely doesn't sound like prices will be going in the other direction. Speculation, not fact.

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277.6.2013 20:20

right now, i can take my 360 game forza and bring to a friends system and play it there, even tho i need to create a new game save, thats fine, but i dont need to PAY A FEE!!!

blow me microsoft. I will not buy the xbox one, nor will i ever. ps4 is looking MUCH better!!! ATLEAST they dont CHARGE me to play my friends game i borrow on my system.
or if i buy a used game because im not as rich as microsoft! and cant afford a brand new $60.00 game that im gonna beat in 5 days anyways.


but hey, the hackers will find a way around this, and once they do i will buy a USED HACKED xbox one, and play without having to pay the extra fee. I will buy games thats fine, but if i can get around your always online every gay 24 hours or 1 hour. I will gladly do it!!! and so will alot of people. so expect it because it WILL happen.

i dont care about playing online I have satalite so i cant anyways.

so HACK AWAY!!


EDIT: oh yea, what about all those who DONT EVEN HAVE INTERNET!!! microsoft says , too bad edited by ddp you!!

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287.6.2013 22:29

Originally posted by ddp:
not every parts of the world has cable\dsl internet connections as some still have dial-up.
I don't think MS is that fussed about that as the only market Xbox seems big in is the US market so this box is probably trailer made for the US.

297.6.2013 23:28

Well for idiots that buy this, you deserve what you get!

NOW is the time to go with a PS4 or like me...a good PC because I do not even own a console...I like to mod games too much and you cannot do that on a console!

The GTA series of mods have been awesome for PC and if they come out with a new GTA 5 for PC they should be awesome as well.

But trade my PC for a console with restrictive DRM and no mods? No thanks.

By the way...this would be a PERFECT opportunity for Sony to take over the console market again. All they have to do, is simply NOT INCORPORATE any of the trash that Microsoft is doing and people will flock to them in droves. Leaving xbox in the dust!

Maybe THEN Microsoft will change their minds, but if people keep buying what Microcrap is selling, why should they change?

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308.6.2013 0:40

Originally posted by doowop72:
Well, SoTired, you've stated a nice detailed economics course class there, but what's your thoughts and opinions about it?
:)

I prefer to purchase my cars rather than lease, and I would prefer to be able to buy and sell used games. I think that's what most people would prefer.

Unfortunately, I think publishers are so fixated on muscling in on the resale side of the market that they will end up cutting off their noses to spite their face. I'll probably buy the XBox One for my kids, but the new generation of consoles won't get nearly the sales figures that the previous generation got. The decision by MSFT and, I suspect, Sony, to allow these restrictions will mark the end of the golden age of console gaming. I think that is a sad thing.

318.6.2013 8:52

The big issue that will hurt them is customers losing internet connection for hours to days. It happens to everyone, no internet means no games to play. That is what can really hurt their sales. Plus people who live in dial up areas are told to move because we(microsoft) do not want to provide the no internet conncection options.

328.6.2013 9:14

Interesting although the response is in large part predictable.

Microsoft aren't doing what many claimed they would, so forget all that nonsense & move on to making up a load of other stuff.

All with the underlying message that Sony won't do something similar (like as if they have spelt everything out themselves at this stage).

If, as I have said for a while now, game devs choose to implement what some see as an awful 'phone home' to verify/check then it will be the game devs doing so, not Microsoft.
Undoubtedly the facility is there because game devs want to tighten things up & get a piece of the 2nd hand market.

It always amuses me that the pro-Sony guys always ignore the DRM PS3 & BD brought in whilst complaining about what Microsoft might do.

That and the way this is treated like it's the end of the world - as on-going revelations of snooping in the USA (and now UK) shows where the real abuses & rights infringements are happening.

Distraction & misdirection anyone?

338.6.2013 15:22

What a load of crap this is. So anywhere there's no internet connection (lake house, internet is down, etc.) this unit is completely useless.

All I can say is bring on the mods. Only then would I consider buying this. Otherwise, Microsoft and companies like EA can keep their over priced, over protected junk.

348.6.2013 15:31

Originally posted by xtago:
Originally posted by ddp:
not every parts of the world has cable\dsl internet connections as some still have dial-up.
I don't think MS is that fussed about that as the only market Xbox seems big in is the US market so this box is probably trailer made for the US.
"trailer made" huh? Is that a crack at those of us who live in trailers and might not have cable/dsl connections?

358.6.2013 15:52

I think this is the end for console gaming for me. Combine all of this crap and the way they market DLC, the next gen will be ripping us off. So many people complain about dlc. Im talking day-one dlc and shorter campaigns and season passes. Yet everyone buys it. This next gen is going to be expensive. Console gaming is now all about the money and way less creative content. Exercise your rights or they will be taken away. Dont buy the console if you dont like this news. I think microsoft is taking advantage of us. We still have the right not to buy.

368.6.2013 16:00

raunchynm, i think xtago meant "tailor" not "trailor".

378.6.2013 16:10

Originally posted by ddp:
raunchynm, i think xtago meant "tailor" not "trailor".
Probably since he did not even spell trailer correctly. You'd think people would look at what they have written before they submit their comments. It's not like there is a stop watch rushing them.

388.6.2013 17:11

Originally posted by Menion:
ok so M$ has a leash so tight I only have 24 hours before checking in with them? here are my thoughts:

- Kinect detects motion, blood flow in dark and sound & has to be ALWAYS plugged in

- The Xbox needs internet connection to "Check in" every 24 Hours

- Allot of cloud storage talk..

whether it be M$, NSA, or Marketing research, the "Eyes" In my household is pushing it "WAY" too far, no way in hell would I ever put a device like this in my living room!
I agree! This is crazy. We are giving up way too much privacy simple to play games.

398.6.2013 18:20

Originally posted by ChiefBrdy:
So anywhere there's no internet connection (lake house, internet is down, etc.) this unit is completely useless.
...which only goes to show how ludicrous this claim is.

Anyone who imagines the next Xbox is going to cut out the millions of potential customers all around the world without a net connection is deluded.


408.6.2013 18:32

All the games company's will choose to stop their games being sold as pre-own, they just see that if it is blocked then more money for them.

Off topic...
It really is a shame that PC games had no split screen modes, really important feature to me stops me from switching.
I play with groups of friends so often, I just can't afford 3-6 pcs.

418.6.2013 18:53

Consoles are going backwards not forwards, back in 2000 we were excited for all the doors opening and 13 years later were more concerned about the doors being closed than anything about the console features. Money grabbing bastards no way I'm buying one hopefully people backlash against the fees and they have to bring it back to the way it is now



428.6.2013 19:00

Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by ChiefBrdy:
So anywhere there's no internet connection (lake house, internet is down, etc.) this unit is completely useless.
...which only goes to show how ludicrous this claim is.

Anyone who imagines the next Xbox is going to cut out the millions of potential customers all around the world without a net connection is deluded.


Say AGAIN, did you just READ what Microsoft itself SAID?

Maybe you need a reading comprehension class!

"Reads the company's statement:

A persistent connection is 'not required', but one IS if you want to 'verify if system, application or game updates are NEEDED and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend.'

1.5MB internet connection is recommended"

What part about that do you not understand?



438.6.2013 19:05

Originally posted by VGenscher:
All the games company's will choose to stop their games being sold as pre-own, they just see that if it is blocked then more money for them.

Well if they choose to do that, then once the public figures this out, they will simply not buy their games and they will go out of business!

In other words any company trying to do this will be basically slitting their own throats.

People WANT TO PLAY their games however they want without all these restrictions. And it is about time companies like Microsoft that are ALLOWING this to happen suffer miserable sales!

I really do hope people don't act like "sheepole" on these issues, the only way to get this stopped is to attack a company where it hurts....in their pocketbooks!
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448.6.2013 21:22

Originally posted by joebloe12:
Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by ChiefBrdy:
So anywhere there's no internet connection (lake house, internet is down, etc.) this unit is completely useless.
...which only goes to show how ludicrous this claim is.

Anyone who imagines the next Xbox is going to cut out the millions of potential customers all around the world without a net connection is deluded.


Say AGAIN, did you just READ what Microsoft itself SAID?

Maybe you need a reading comprehension class!

"Reads the company's statement:

A persistent connection is 'not required', but one IS if you want to 'verify if system, application or game updates are NEEDED and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend.'

1.5MB internet connection is recommended"

What part about that do you not understand?




and then I read this.."Xbox One will use a restrictive DRM but it is not "always-on." You will be allowed to play on your home console for 24 hours without a connection, BUT AFTER THAT you will need to login again to continue playing and get another 24 hours"

458.6.2013 22:21

never have I read so much absolute f*cking nonsense and total sh*te. isn't it amazing how some people interpret the FACTS but end up with a statement of pure fiction.
no self respecting company is going to block re-sale of their games discs, it would be a PR and marketing disaster. EA have clearly learned a lesson what with revoking the need to purchase an "online-pass" for used games (average price on XBOX360 was previously 800 M$ points which is around 7 -sometimes the cost of said used game to purchase).no company is going to make themselves the bad guy by restricting resale of used games - you all missed the point that by doing so said company misses out on potential sales of DLC as well. any COD/MW player who keeps up to date with DLC will pay AT LEAST the cost of the retail game in doing so.
not to mention DIGITAL sales.OBVIOUSLY there will need to be online checks or we would all be copying games over to hard drive and not bothering to buy them. I wonder how many of those whining here have paid to rent a digital copy of a movie (or would they rather download it for free? after all where's the harm etc.)
sorry but heard it all before.buy it or don't but at least wait to find out what FACTS are before ranting on about a lot of sh*t that may or may not happen, and also quoting other's comments as if they had originally come from bill gates himself.
also have to laugh at those trying to recommend PC gaming.
not everyone has the latest pc/gfx card or can be arsed to upgrade every 3months to play the latest games...
no such worries with a console - your chosen game WILL work with minimum fuss, simple (like many who have posted here )

469.6.2013 1:57

Originally posted by sh31k:
never have I read so much absolute f*cking nonsense and total sh*te. isn't it amazing how some people interpret the FACTS but end up with a statement of pure fiction.
no self respecting company is going to block re-sale of their games discs, it would be a PR and marketing disaster. EA have clearly learned a lesson what with revoking the need to purchase an "online-pass" for used games (average price on XBOX360 was previously 800 M$ points which is around 7 -sometimes the cost of said used game to purchase).no company is going to make themselves the bad guy by restricting resale of used games - you all missed the point that by doing so said company misses out on potential sales of DLC as well. any COD/MW player who keeps up to date with DLC will pay AT LEAST the cost of the retail game in doing so.
not to mention DIGITAL sales.OBVIOUSLY there will need to be online checks or we would all be copying games over to hard drive and not bothering to buy them. I wonder how many of those whining here have paid to rent a digital copy of a movie (or would they rather download it for free? after all where's the harm etc.)
sorry but heard it all before.buy it or don't but at least wait to find out what FACTS are before ranting on about a lot of sh*t that may or may not happen, and also quoting other's comments as if they had originally come from bill gates himself.
also have to laugh at those trying to recommend PC gaming.
not everyone has the latest pc/gfx card or can be arsed to upgrade every 3months to play the latest games...
no such worries with a console - your chosen game WILL work with minimum fuss, simple (like many who have posted here )
And your interpretation of what they've announced is somehow the correct one. Please guide us oh great one.

479.6.2013 2:22

Originally posted by sh31k:
never have I read so much absolute f*cking nonsense and total sh*te. isn't it amazing how some people interpret the FACTS but end up with a statement of pure fiction.
no self respecting company is going to block re-sale of their games discs, it would be a PR and marketing disaster. EA have clearly learned a lesson what with revoking the need to purchase an "online-pass" for used games (average price on XBOX360 was previously 800 M$ points which is around 7 -sometimes the cost of said used game to purchase).no company is going to make themselves the bad guy by restricting resale of used games - you all missed the point that by doing so said company misses out on potential sales of DLC as well. any COD/MW player who keeps up to date with DLC will pay AT LEAST the cost of the retail game in doing so.
not to mention DIGITAL sales.OBVIOUSLY there will need to be online checks or we would all be copying games over to hard drive and not bothering to buy them. I wonder how many of those whining here have paid to rent a digital copy of a movie (or would they rather download it for free? after all where's the harm etc.)
sorry but heard it all before.buy it or don't but at least wait to find out what FACTS are before ranting on about a lot of sh*t that may or may not happen, and also quoting other's comments as if they had originally come from bill gates himself.
also have to laugh at those trying to recommend PC gaming.
not everyone has the latest pc/gfx card or can be arsed to upgrade every 3months to play the latest games...
no such worries with a console - your chosen game WILL work with minimum fuss, simple (like many who have posted here )
Your check from Microcrap is in the mail.

489.6.2013 18:02

Its a game console. I should be able to bring it home, plug it in and play it. I should not have to supply a broadband service for it to work. I wont be buying it.

499.6.2013 19:18

Yes trigger, i wont be buying either. Even though i rarely buy used games im not buying based on principle alone. Whats next? The generation after next and they will use kinect to determine how many people are in the room, and if there are more than 2 they will charge your friends extra to just watch.

509.6.2013 20:16

Suppose your ISP has an outage for 2 days. Your games will not work anymore because you couldn't check-in with MS; nice shiny VCR sized cable box you have at that point. They said that you can turn off the Kinect camera but the console will not function without Kinect attached. Well, seeing as how MS will have the ability to remote connect to your console to do auto updates every 24 hrs, they can essentially turn the camera on remotely without you being aware; Big Brother will be watching you...lol. After all it's a modified Windows based PC in the guise of a cable box/console, and who better knows how remotely control Windows than the creators of Windows...lol

519.6.2013 21:27

I wonder if you could put a shield over the kinect eye.

529.6.2013 21:47

yes. can be done with a piece of cardboard & tape, tinfoil shaped to slide over the kinect(if like an logitech webcam) or even a piece of electrical tape. don't forget it might have builtin mic.

539.6.2013 21:48

There will probably be a lot of Kinect's facing the walls behind the television.

549.6.2013 22:29

Originally posted by 8686:
I wonder if you could put a shield over the kinect eye.
Just don't put a pirate patch over it or someone will be knocking on your door.

559.6.2013 22:48

how about the skull & crossbones flag facing the camera?

5611.6.2013 6:03

Originally posted by ddp:
how about the skull & crossbones flag facing the camera?
I LOLed :)


They couldn't count the number of people in the room if it's just a picture of Rover hey?

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


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5711.6.2013 9:32

MS has sold about 75 million 360 consoles and predicts another 25 million console sales in the next 5 years. Not sure what their wholesale numbers are but there gross is in the billions of dollars.

So....These greedy f..ks feel like it's necessary to 'lock down' the next generation AND implement a used game restriction scheme.

What I would love to see happen is millions of store returns from consumers after realizing they have to have a broadband contract just to play COD.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi...-Xbox-360-Sales

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"Is that 3 thousand dollar bounty on the shark in cash or check?"

"We can do it the easy way...Or we can do it the REAL easy way."

5811.6.2013 11:08

Originally posted by ChiefBrdy:
What I would love to see happen is millions of store returns from consumers after realizing they have to have a broadband contract just to play COD.
... or better yet, when they go to rent a game, only to find out that rentals don't exist.



6020.6.2013 12:17

Mattrick should be kicked to the curb. What a blundering idiot.

6122.6.2013 12:05

Originally posted by ChiefBrdy:
Mattrick should be kicked to the curb. What a blundering idiot.
Completely agree with you on that

6222.6.2013 15:53

got to give MS credit. They listened to us and realized they weren't going to sell many of the xbones. Apparently there was a poll on Facebook through Amazon asking users to vote on which console. Votes were something like 20k to 2k in favor of the ps4. MS's decision made me do a 180. I would purchase it now. Just got a new MW3 edition 360 though to replace my aging elite. My backlog is so deep anyhow. Let them get the bugs out. I'll prob pick up an xbone xmas time 2014.

6328.6.2013 22:49

Xbox I love you. Thanks your for all of the great times we've had. However, I cannot follow you there. It starts off with light restrictions and some Internet connectivity and perhaps small fees, but like government and taxes, it will increase and might even spread to other things besides gaming platform when other companies see how you can get away with it, they'll want to do the same. Your requirement are absurd. I can't support that. I've already support paying for Xbox live , I stood by you through the red ring of death scandal, but this is some bullshit. I'm sorry to say I'm leaving you for play station, but your leaving me no option. Damn it!!!!

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