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Microsoft used a PC with Nvidia to demo Xbox One games at E3, not dev kit

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 16 Jun 2013 9:07 User comments (36)

Microsoft used a PC with Nvidia to demo Xbox One games at E3, not dev kit CinemaBlend has reported that Microsoft did not use a dev kit to demo its Xbox One games at E3, instead using high-end PCs.
The console maker was using an HP built Windows 7 system with a Nvidia 700 series GTX GPU.

Making that more notable, is the fact that the upcoming console will use a mid-range AMD GPU, a far cry away from the Nvidia used. It is also odd that the company did not use a dev kit, like Sony did for their presentation.

Also of note, the company did not use their latest Windows 8 operating system, leading many to believe that the company did not trust its own struggling OS.

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36 user comments

116.6.2013 11:47

EPIC

216.6.2013 12:12

Oh, my. Does Ballmer & Co. have a collective death wish?!

Either that, or their marketing folks collectively have somewhat less intelligence than a dead squid, lying on a dock in the sun.

316.6.2013 12:27

LOL

416.6.2013 12:50

This is just priceless.

516.6.2013 13:10

I guess all this means is one day someone will find a way to make a regular PC play XBOX One games right???


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616.6.2013 13:19

If this thing is a success my jaw is going to hit the ground. Friends don't let friends buy Xbx1s...

716.6.2013 13:38

Quote:
Friends don't let friends buy Xbx1s...
That should be a T-Shirt

816.6.2013 13:55

I don see the big deal about xbone . They r trying something different and getting smashed for it.


Hack a bit, invest a bit, work a bit, jerk a bit

916.6.2013 15:21

Originally posted by bobiroc:
I guess all this means is one day someone will find a way to make a regular PC play XBOX One games right???
???

Why would I want to play an emulated Xbone game instead of the pc version?



1016.6.2013 15:49

Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by bobiroc:
I guess all this means is one day someone will find a way to make a regular PC play XBOX One games right???
???

Why would I want to play an emulated Xbone game instead of the pc version?



Because PC versions have no local split screen play, but if they did I would drop my console gaming and switch to PC.

Pc games also lack a lot in joy-pads control however recently this has just starting to change.

On the side note

Considering the consoles are x86 surely it could be possible to hack it so a PC could run the OS like we do with mac osx(hackintosh).
Or we could create a program like wine just like Linux uses to run windows software/games.
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1116.6.2013 16:13

The PS4 is looking more appealing as time goes on.....

Perhaps Microsoft should bring Bill Gates out of Retirement since Steve Ballmer is sucking as CEO.

1216.6.2013 16:22

Originally posted by VGenscher:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by bobiroc:
I guess all this means is one day someone will find a way to make a regular PC play XBOX One games right???
???

Why would I want to play an emulated Xbone game instead of the pc version?



Because PC versions have no local split screen play, but if they did I would drop my console gaming and switch to PC.

Pc games also lack a lot in joy-pads control however recently this has just starting to change.

On the side note

Considering the consoles are x86 surely it could be possible to hack it so a PC could run the OS like we do with mac osx(hackintosh).
Or we could create a program like wine just like Linux uses to run windows software/games.
There's barely a handful of newer console games which support split screen and it's getting rarer and rarer.

Lack of joy pad support on pc; there is no lack. For the games which don't support it, pad emulators are used.

1316.6.2013 16:57

Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by VGenscher:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by bobiroc:
I guess all this means is one day someone will find a way to make a regular PC play XBOX One games right???
???

Why would I want to play an emulated Xbone game instead of the pc version?



Because PC versions have no local split screen play, but if they did I would drop my console gaming and switch to PC.

Pc games also lack a lot in joy-pads control however recently this has just starting to change.

On the side note

Considering the consoles are x86 surely it could be possible to hack it so a PC could run the OS like we do with mac osx(hackintosh).
Or we could create a program like wine just like Linux uses to run windows software/games.
There's barely a handful of newer console games which support split screen and it's getting rarer and rarer.

Lack of joy pad support on pc; there is no lack. For the games which don't support it, pad emulators are used.
Disagree halo,gears of war,call of duty, lord of the rings and these are form the top of my head.

I can't afford 3-6 pcs for my gaming group, we use split screen and lan gaming alot that is 2 xbox 360's linked.

More adding everyday so your wrong there, only limits on a few recent games that pushed the graphics to the maximum preventing split screen but next gen removes that limit.

Plus I play alot of part games on my wii in my group.

1416.6.2013 17:19

A joypad for PC gaming? That's like the opposite of evolution, the thing I hate most about consoles is the shitty controls AND the stupid split screen. There's a reason pro tournaments are still Counter-Strike or likewise games

Originally posted by Bozobub:
Oh, my. Does Ballmer & Co. have a collective death wish?!

Either that, or their marketing folks collectively have somewhat less intelligence than a dead squid, lying on a dock in the sun.
I know right? It's literally like they are trying to lose everything Microsoft has build in the past 30 years.
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I'll stick my foot up your ass.

1516.6.2013 18:28

Do check out the embarrassing pictures

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1616.6.2013 18:31

I'm extremely disappointed. In my perspective, this was the final nail in the coffin. I have been an xbox enthusiast ever since the REAL XBOX 1. XBMC is epic, but due to all of the foul play this new console secretly holds, that's it folks PS4 is the way to roll. I was on the PSX and jumped platforms and two generations later, those that left the PSX the exodus will be huge, the prodigal son so to speak will return as we all return to Sony and grab the PS4. I only hope that enough 360 titles are made through out the next following year because the future for the xbox seems dismal.

This reminds me about the Dreamcast during its dying struggle to stay afloat. The xbox one might die prematurely before putting up a fight. Unless a system update eliminates the requirements of: disc authentication, online checks, and always connected kinect (privacy breach) listening and recording everything that the lens captures. I'm paranoid about that and everyone should be concerned as well. This box has no right to be within our homes and none the less a penny spent. Sorry, but microsoft dropped the ball big time.

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1716.6.2013 19:57

Well, if the EU's position that the XBone's region-locking is actually illegal in the EU (as currently implemented) stands, then that may very well be the death knell.

1816.6.2013 20:18

Priceless! & speechless one of the few times i have no comment,nothing but a disbelieving shake of the head,besides the comments above pretty much cover it



1916.6.2013 20:25

What the XB1 should really look like:




Yes, that's a couple of GTX-780s in there :)


EDIT: Yet to mod the cabling.
That's a Silverstone GD05 case.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=241




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This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 16 Jun 2013 @ 20:48

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


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2016.6.2013 21:13

Originally posted by Jemborg:
What the XB1 should really look like:




Yes, that's a couple of GTX-780s in there :)


EDIT: Yet to mod the cabling.
That's a Silverstone GD05 case.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=241




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Looks like you are building a helluva HTPC!...I mean SpyBox 1!
*EDIT* It'll never work unless you plug in the Kinect sensor, but I'm sure you knew that.
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2116.6.2013 21:24

Originally posted by bhetrick:
Why would I want to play an emulated Xbone game instead of the pc version?
I was just thinking of those XB One exclusives that may never come to PC.

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2217.6.2013 9:50

Originally posted by VGenscher:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by bobiroc:
I guess all this means is one day someone will find a way to make a regular PC play XBOX One games right???
???

Why would I want to play an emulated Xbone game instead of the pc version?



Because PC versions have no local split screen play, but if they did I would drop my console gaming and switch to PC.

Pc games also lack a lot in joy-pads control however recently this has just starting to change.

On the side note

Considering the consoles are x86 surely it could be possible to hack it so a PC could run the OS like we do with mac osx(hackintosh).
Or we could create a program like wine just like Linux uses to run windows software/games.
Just to reinforce just how the PC is better, local play can be done via LAN, no internet required and much better than split screen (does require multiple PC's and games tho...). There are 1000s upon 1000s of PC controllers out there but if you prefer a console controller PS3, 360, even Wii (I think) all have drivers to allow you to use them on a PC. Any game that can play on a console could do better on a well built PC.

2317.6.2013 16:05

You can literally plug a wired 360 controller into the USB and it will work no fooling around required.

2417.6.2013 17:44

Originally posted by DarkJello:
You can literally plug a wired 360 controller into the USB and it will work no fooling around required.
That ability right there was is the clincher it makes owning a console a waste of money & time,that don't mean modified consoles are crap i own enough of em,well lets face it there's no comparison between the pc & console the pc kik's ass even when using a controller & those slim line pc's are just as portable & upgradeable if required graphics wise

2517.6.2013 18:22

Buy a PC for a 800 bucks and ditch the DRM, always on crap and the inability to play older games.

MS has really pissed me and many others off with their Stalinistic ways with the new useless XBox One.

2619.6.2013 10:15

console demos running on pcs during E3 is nothing new.... its not to prove that PC is a superior but more to show how the game will look like on a console... and they rarely do..... they did the same with 360 at E3 when they ran demos on a power mac g5.... sony did the same with watch_dogs even ubi reps admitted it was running on pc...


PC i7 3770K 8Gb Ram Radeon 290X 4TB WD Black 60Gb SDD
Xbox360 Slim RGH Dash 16202
Xbox360 PHAT 14719 BENQ drive
Black PS3 CECH-L04 PS3ITA 4.50 Converted DEX
White PS3 CECH-2506B PS3ITA 4.50 Converted DEX
Black PS3 DECH-J00A DEX FW4.50

2719.6.2013 10:44

Point is you cant build a PC for the same price of the equal quality, so ps4 is better for its value.

Comparing a 600+ PC to a 349 console is stupid the 600 PC would win.

2819.6.2013 10:46

Originally posted by DarthMopar:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
What the XB1 should really look like:




Yes, that's a couple of GTX-780s in there :)


EDIT: Yet to mod the cabling.
That's a Silverstone GD05 case.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=241




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Looks like you are building a helluva HTPC!...I mean SpyBox 1!
*EDIT* It'll never work unless you plug in the Kinect sensor, but I'm sure you knew that.
Doh!

:)

It's an absolutely fabulous rig... but alas, it is not mine but one I am building for a client. Every part in it is mint. A specialist cpu cooler for it just got delivered today. Maybe I'll post another pic later.



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Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


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2919.6.2013 10:58

Originally posted by VGenscher:
Point is you cant build a PC for the same price of the equal quality, so ps4 is better for its value.

Comparing a 600+ PC to a 349 console is stupid the 600 PC would win.
No, it's not really stupid at all comparing them. Neither are going to be as low as $349 at launch. Add $100-$150 to that for buying the console. Then add in your subscription fees for being online for a console.


3019.6.2013 11:16

Originally posted by DarkJello:
You can literally plug a wired 360 controller into the USB and it will work no fooling around required.

Actually, the wireless controllers also work fine on PCs, although the wireless version will NOT work with XBCD (alternative driver that lets you redefine axes/buttons/deadzones, unlike the M$ driver). You just need the PC version of the receiver OR the same 360-to-PC adapter the wired controller uses.

Originally posted by VGenscher:
Point is you cant build a PC for the same price of the equal quality, so ps4 is better for its value.

Comparing a 600+ PC to a 349 console is stupid the 600 PC would win.

Up until this generation, consoles actually outperformed otherwise "equivalent" (or even superior) PCs for gaming, because they were so specialized for the purpose. For instance, consoles generally had a *huge* data pipe between the graphics and VRAM. But now, that's changing, and you can actually run XBone games on a higher-end PC (obviously enough, from this story).

The XBone/PS4 ARE cheaper, but with the included limitations especially on the XBone may just not be worth it to many consumers. It's not very difficult to find a reasonably powerful system (laptop or desktop) that can play PC games at very similar specs, for not much more money and NO subscription fees (beyond your base internet costs, of course) for online play. In the bargain, you also get a rather open system that lets you do whatever you want, up to and including getting rid of the OS and installing another, as well as any of the additional functions the consoles offer.

Honestly, a decent HTPC/gaming PC appears to be a much better value for your gaming dollar, these days. That's what has changed; it used to be that the equation was skewed exactly the other way, and you got much more gaming "bang for your buck" by buying a console. But that's simply not true any more.
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3119.6.2013 11:37

Originally posted by Bozobub:
Honestly, a decent HTPC/gaming PC appears to be a much better value for your gaming dollar, these days. That's what has changed; it used to be that the equation was skewed exactly the other way, and you got much more gaming "bang for your buck" by buying a console. But that's simply not true any more.
I have to agree. If you do not care about achieving 100+FPS at ultra high resolutions and just want a HTPC capable of playing games at 1080p/60FPS you can do it pretty reasonably. Sure it will be more than the console but like you mentioned it will not be as restrictive. Then as time progresses you can upgrade incrementally without sacrificing your game library. If this trend continues where MS and Sony release a new console that will only play new console games the cost savings is not really there since you need more devices taking up more space and power. So IMO unless you are really into an exclusive from that console maker it offers little incentive to follow that model.


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3219.6.2013 12:25

Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by VGenscher:
Point is you cant build a PC for the same price of the equal quality, so ps4 is better for its value.

Comparing a 600+ PC to a 349 console is stupid the 600 PC would win.
No, it's not really stupid at all comparing them. Neither are going to be as low as $349 at launch. Add $100-$150 to that for buying the console. Then add in your subscription fees for being online for a console.


I said pound not dollar, and talking the ps4 price.
Check the web it is announced its 349 for a ps4 and shops are allowing pre-order at that price near me.

3321.6.2013 1:46

Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by VGenscher:
Point is you cant build a PC for the same price of the equal quality, so ps4 is better for its value.

Comparing a 600+ PC to a 349 console is stupid the 600 PC would win.
No, it's not really stupid at all comparing them. Neither are going to be as low as $349 at launch. Add $100-$150 to that for buying the console. Then add in your subscription fees for being online for a console.



I would be willing to put a 100.00 wager on you being wrong on that price you just wrote. You think the ps4 is going to run 500.00+ just for the console? No chance my friend.


This is superman

3421.6.2013 1:49

Originally posted by Bozobub:
Originally posted by DarkJello:
You can literally plug a wired 360 controller into the USB and it will work no fooling around required.

Actually, the wireless controllers also work fine on PCs, although the wireless version will NOT work with XBCD (alternative driver that lets you redefine axes/buttons/deadzones, unlike the M$ driver). You just need the PC version of the receiver OR the same 360-to-PC adapter the wired controller uses.

Originally posted by VGenscher:
Point is you cant build a PC for the same price of the equal quality, so ps4 is better for its value.

Comparing a 600+ PC to a 349 console is stupid the 600 PC would win.

Up until this generation, consoles actually outperformed otherwise "equivalent" (or even superior) PCs for gaming, because they were so specialized for the purpose. For instance, consoles generally had a *huge* data pipe between the graphics and VRAM. But now, that's changing, and you can actually run XBone games on a higher-end PC (obviously enough, from this story).

The XBone/PS4 ARE cheaper, but with the included limitations especially on the XBone may just not be worth it to many consumers. It's not very difficult to find a reasonably powerful system (laptop or desktop) that can play PC games at very similar specs, for not much more money and NO subscription fees (beyond your base internet costs, of course) for online play. In the bargain, you also get a rather open system that lets you do whatever you want, up to and including getting rid of the OS and installing another, as well as any of the additional functions the consoles offer.

Honestly, a decent HTPC/gaming PC appears to be a much better value for your gaming dollar, these days. That's what has changed; it used to be that the equation was skewed exactly the other way, and you got much more gaming "bang for your buck" by buying a console. But that's simply not true any more.

The average joe may not be able to afford the price of a true top end pc despite the cost value. If person A only can afford 450.00 to 550.00 then that is all that they can afford no matter what.


This is superman

3521.6.2013 1:51

Originally posted by Jemborg:
What the XB1 should really look like:




Yes, that's a couple of GTX-780s in there :)


EDIT: Yet to mod the cabling.
That's a Silverstone GD05 case.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=241




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I see what you did there sir, well played. Total specs?
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This is superman

3621.6.2013 3:22

Originally posted by adre02:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
What the XB1 should really look like:




Yes, that's a couple of GTX-780s in there :)


EDIT: Yet to mod the cabling.
That's a Silverstone GD05 case.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=241




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I see what you did there sir, well played. Total specs?
Since you asked :)

- cpu: i5-3570K.
- mobo: Asrock Z77-Extreme4-M (no 4th gen mATX exist atm which can handle two large gfx cards).
- gfx: two Gigabyte GTX-780s 3GB DDR5 (these cards draw air from inside the case).
- ram: G.Skill Trident-X 8GB kit (2x4GB) 2400mhz 10-12-12-31.
- ssd: Samsung 840 PRO Series 128GB.
- hdd: Seagate Barracuda 3TB.
- odd: LG BluRay combo.
- psu: Antec HCG-900 160amps! 135m fan (cables severely modified for air flow).
- extra fans: two Noctua NF-R8s (shame they're so ugly).
- case: Silverstone GD05-USB3 (3 x 120mm fans for pos pressure).
- cpu: cooler Silverstone NT01-P (designed for this case, some minor case modding by me to greatly increase airflow over cooler fins).
- os: Win8 x64 (client's choice).
- project codename: Vortex

Note: Obviously it's not built for major OCing.

I'll post another pic later. (May even do a video breakdown.)



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