TDK ready to ship 25GB Blu-ray recordable media

I'd like to know how that sort of price can be justified for blank media... For single layer discs, there isn't that much involved in manufacturing the blank substrate, applying the dye and depositing the reflective coating. I can't wait to see what a HD-DVD blank will cost, considering that existing manufacturing lines can be used to create the blanks. There has been one word ringing in my ears every time I hear of Blu Ray: Betamax. I'd have thought Sony would have learnt their lesson that time: 'good enough' is good enough. Way to go Sony, license yourself into oblivion.

Ok. So when is a blueray dvd recorder available?

One that you can put on your hard drive so you can record blue ray discs.

a lot more read of the article i posted here with more facts..since two-o'clock..,i would go there to read it... http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/328819

TDK is looked at as one of the worst manafacters of DVD why the hell would anyone buy a 25gb disc from them when they cant get 4.7 right is beyond me.

Guys, SONY Sucks. In the past was Betamax, then Mini Disc and is PSP. Gun powder was discover by China. Wake up

Who will want a Coaster of a Blu-ray disc?Is the price that justified?.....

Screw Blu-ray. I'll stick with TY Dvd's.

When they are the first (and hence only) supplier they can charge as much as they want, monopolies FTL. When a few more manafactures start producing discs and there is competetion expect the price to drop.

I am not prepared to spend $20 for 1 disc, it isn't hapening, I am going to wait till' the price drops first, in a couple years.

seems sony just wants to be first on the market.

ok so they shipped so did the dual layer dvds and only a few of us ever bought any.... sad that they are willing to ship the media befor the burners have made that jump... does anyone know if you'll be able to burn cds or regular dvds with a Blue ray or HD DVD burner? or are we going to scramble for our old drives and buying an extra to keep handy? with the jump to new technology what will happen to the countless dvd burners and cd burners we are currently using? will the new drives be SATA or will we be giving up an IDE location on our systems? not to mention all the dvd and cd players in our cars......?

until there is a Blueray Player/recorder in almost every home then it isn't even worth lookin into.. DVD's as we know them today will be around for years before Bluray comes down in price...

20 dollars for 25 gigs on Blu-ray or you can get 470 gigs for 20 dollars buying a 100 pack of DVD's on sale. At 4 and a half cents a gig I think I can split my files across a few discs. The premium for space on Blu-ray at $1.25 a gig is outrageous. Good point about about making $20.00 coasters with those discs....I think my stress level would kick up about 20 notches when clicking the burn button with Blu-ray....prolly die of a heart attack before it was even finshed burning. Blu-Ray is a nice technology but is way too expensive and prolly ahead of itself by 2 or 3 years. Most consumers are just catching up with DVD tech as in making movies and such, getting comfortable with the format.....remember that is most people, that would not include the people around here.

' ' The Blu-ray camp believes the 25GB storage capacity is sufficient for recording a single video at 1080p.' ' omg this thing is going to be freaking awesome , welcome high def. era, me personally can't wait to go to best buy and fry's to check out this new bad baboys ,its going to be sweet. once i get my ps3 all my futute movie's will be on Blu-ray format. and the reason to buy a high def. tv with the 16/9 1080p resolution yeah !!!!

Personally, I think that this is an elaborate marketing scheme by the corporation for these following reasons. If the price of a 50gb disc is 47.99, and a movie on a blue ray less than that, then this in its own way discourages any type of copying. Essentially they are telling you, buy our discs to compile various personal data, but with this price, you shouldn't buy our discs for backups or etc, you should stick to the original movies and games. Buyers beware, do not purchase any of the two format. You may lose your money, wait a year or two after their more public come out.

Lol I won't even buy DL discs yet because i get such great pictures with my single layer Sony TY's theres no way in hell im gonna spend what it costs to buy a retail dvd for a blank one even if it does have 25GB. I definately wouldn't buy one when they come out God knows how many people are gonna get errors because of firmware and stuff. like psyantist said i'd probably have a heart attack waiting for it to burn. Being a Beta tester for something that cost that much is too risky for me. I guess i'll always just be one step behind.

Well, at least they're down from 3 years ago when they were $45 per blank...However, they removed the cartridge protection and now all we have is 1mm of protection on the disc... BTW, does anyone know if the Sony BDZ-S77 is compatible with this stuff (this is the Blue Ray Recorder). That was the one that used the cartridge Blue Ray discs, but I am not sure if it would work with the non-cartridge ones. I would hope it is because those things are about $4000 and that is an incredible amount of money to spend on something that is completely obsolete in 2 years after release!!!

this is crazy...lol...

"once i get my ps3 all my futute movie's will be on Blu-ray format. and the reason to buy a high def. tv with the 16/9 1080p resolution yeah !!!!" Those that fell the same way and have a HD TV already will want to read this: http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/24/gdc2006_ps3_no_hdmi/

Can you imagine does folks that got those expensive HD-TV's at high prices just because they want to be the first one in the block to have 45 or 50 inch HD-TV. Now They will soon find out that the only HD-TV will be on regular TV station, cable or satellite, because when player arrive they will see movies like any other people with regular 20 or 30 $ DVD players. So they will pay for a few yeras to come at 23% interesr rate those credit cards.

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TDK expects its 50GB recordable media to be available later this year, priced at $47.99 for write-once and $59.99 for rewritable. The 25GB discs will cost $19.99 for write-once and $24.99 for rewritable.

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A blue-ray burner is already available in japan, so the blu-rays disc will be useful over there

Amen Plutonash, I'll be selling my fine collection of TDK Coaster sets on Ebay soon. This before their latest and more expensive coasters. Hell at the price it looks like a $1 a gig which in that case I can still get a cheaper HDD.

And it only costs $4000

you guys are freaking out like this is unusual. This happens with any new technology. Entry price of blank DVDs was sky-high when they first came out. (remember?) This is to subsidize research/testing cost, not just production cost. Right now, they're in the red from the cost of creating this technology, experimenting, etc. Once the initial product is on the street, they're going to jack up the prices to re-coup some costs as quickly as possible by taking advantage of those people who will pay anything to be the first on their block with the hot new thing. This happens with CPUs, drives, blank media, just about everything. It's not going to stay this high. The initial spike will gradually taper off. I'm suprised that most people posting here are acting like this is unheard of. The price will drop eventually. It always does. Just give it some time

Another thing to consider is the fact that they are staggering development of the technology, so you're going to have to buy maybe 3 Blu Ray drives over the lifetime of the media. And it has been engineered that way. BTW, anyone remember Sony's first series of DRU- +/- drives? Noisy, bad firmware and still recieving only mediorce reviews to this day. I pity anyone who gets duped into buying into Blu Ray, at the very least for anything other than playing PS3.

wow who needs to back-up that much info? may be good for some graphic designer but shelling 50's for disc is too much, what if it gets scratched.I have a hard time just buying dual layer DVDR discs.

*rolls eyes* And didnt CDRs start at 10-20 a pop? there is little diffrance in the BR and HD both are to easy to scratch leaveing me to wonder why in the hell dont they leave the cases on them,I am leaning to BR simpley for the extra space it has for storage,but its going to be 2 years befor we know if either format surives.

Are there Blu-ray players or movies out yet? what kind of protection should we expect?? screw sony, this is going to be the biggest joke since the bean mp3 player

fergot to mention, saw an article somewhere (gizmodo or cnet?) and the current BD burners dont burn cds or dvds, lol.

Has there been any statement to what blank HD-DVD is going to cost? If Toshiba could just make sure their blank media was 2/3rds the cost of Blu-ray than I could see most people opting for the cheaper, almost as big alternative. A guy would think since the HD-DVD is supposed to utilize existing fabrication lines they could get product out a hell of a lot cheaper. Peanuts2 is completely right on, who is going to have a 25 gig file or group of files sitting around needing burned? And if they do, where do they take it? Where, who and what is going to have a player around to share it on....."Dude I have this Blu-ray disc that I just burned 25 gigs of music to, lets listen to it." "Ok man, put it in the car let's roll!" Um, wait, there aren't any Blu-ray players out there, or anyone who can afford them. CD's used to be expensive true, 15 years ago for crap's sake! And it took about 5 years to get people on board to copy CD's. I remember in high school I burned a cd and people were like "What, you are crazy.....Oh my god!.....You are a Wizard!" Still, at least I could burn a copy of MC Hammer for half of what I had to pay at the store. Blu-Ray is Guh-Aay!

sorry again, found an article, http://digg.com/hardware/Samsung_SH-B022_Blu-ray_burner_reviewed 43 minutes to burn 25 gigs :s And it reads cd and dvd media, but doesnt burn it. If the HD-DVD crew had any knowlege, their drive could burn all three, As of right now, i am all for HD-DVD. i am sick of sony and their attempt to be unique, and they only thing i like from them is the psp, ps2 sucked(in comparison to xbox) and ps3 is going to be too expensive and uncomfortable(boomerang)

Talk to me in two and a half years, when players/burners/media are everywhere, the price is reasonable, and the equivalent of Decrypter exists.

Boy are we going to have fun here later when were at the point of actually backing up BD-Video movies! ;) As for everything else, give it a couple years until the prices drop enough to be affordable. This technology is intented to be a "luxury" rather than a standard for now. Just like DVD was in 1997. As far as copy protection goes, you all know it's only a matter of time until someone breaks it. As strong as the encryption may be, they still have no choice but to give us the key. (encryption key needs to be in the player in order to use the media)

You are forgetting the biggest market for technology is the business sector. Your regular old home market residential users only buy a small fraction of the quantity business buys. They will afford it and this product like many others before it will succeed in business first. After more competition and manufacturers emerge you will see the prices fall. As long as the technology is new and there are very few manufacturers then they will remain expensive. Ludikhris

And here we see Sony preparing for a PS3 "back-up" wave....

the thing about still buying dvd movies is that it's going to become obsolute sooner or later. like vhs and music cassette's did, if it's true that Blu-ray movies will cost less than 25$ like what i saw on this webside. wwww.Blu-ray.com i also thing it's to soon for a new format ,but it's also true it's time for the high def. era it's already out actually alot of cable channels are now in high def. it's becoming more of a startard in america everyday,high def. tv prices are going down and most people are getting it, i aint goign to pay 1000$ for a new player ,but it so happend that my future ps3 will play them right out the box, if i have the change to buy spiderman 3 in the future in dvd or pay a couple of bucks more and get it on high def. then i will go will high def. i really think Blu-ray will have the lead in no time all thank's to the ps3,the ps3 will most likely sell and have million's of Blu-ray player's around the world in no time .while HD-DVD it's still going to be struguling trying to sell their pricey player's ,that just do that play high def. movies. without a doubt the ps3 will play a mayor role in this war, and if Blu-ray wins ps3 its going to be the key factor. this is why i think sony wants to lose money on the 1st round with their ps3's and had millions of Blu-ray player's around the world ,good strategy. i will buy ps3 mostly for gaming and beacuase it will have my favorite games ofcourse but it never hurts to have this kind of funtion's with a little extra bucks. i got my ps2 since luanch and i dont have a dvd player in my room or a cd stereo since my ps2 is hooked up to my 5.1 sony sorround system and i can all those funtion's in just one box.

mudearies pretty much its going to take HD-DVD being able to run and brun CD to HD-DVD for HD to have a chance,with the PS3 going be in milloins of homes around the world after the launch day/month its going to crush HD DVD unless BR is so damn cumbersome its hard to use. punx777 The only thing the Xbox has over the PS2 is it had more thought put into it when it was built it might be alillte more powerful graphics wise but in the end it lacks the games and thats why it had to fight with the Cube to be number 2.The revs controller is alot worse at least from pictures,the style of the PS3 pad is..well...odd...its that mindless inovation that some companys cling to I hope 3rd party pad makers will quickly go back to a more normal PS2 style pad.

well Ive had it they are now trying to take my dvd player and make it unuseable... thats it 25 or 50 gb movies who are they kidding ...a movie will still only play so long and most dvds will record 6 hours on them. heres what you do buy a playstation 3 when it comes out and the sales kick in around christmas($499.00 or so ), then hook the cables to your stand alone dvd recorder($65.00 )and fire up a blue-ray dvd in your ps3 hit record and now the rented blue-ray is back on dvd where it belongs .... that took two mins. to figure out . now this has to be the dumbest thing they have come up with my dvd recorder has 4 ways to input to it . as long as technology is changing it will always stay the same some people dont want to upgrade every 7 years so they (corp. america )gets to make all the money how about we just stop buying into the next and latest craze......

mystic You have a point VHS is not fully dead DVD is mainstream altho who knows what will happen in 5 years ,frist its used for storage at insane prices then it goes more and more mainstream. But it has to over take DVD and that in itself will take 4+ years unless the industry forces its hand and goes to one Hi def format or the other,whitch I dout sicne hollywood has enough issues to deal with without puttign anther nail in its coffin.

I'm saving my money for this. So that i can put 7movies. I already have half ofthe moeny for blu ray drive.

I would really like too know the difference between Blu-ray and HDdvd's if anyone can help or point me too the info it would be great because from what I read it seems like there the same except for little minor differences.

Every time they come up with something new, it always has to be pricy. Ill have to pass on the blue ray discs. Besides, the PS3 will not be chipped for at least 6 months to a year... So again, by november 2007, ill see whats going on with the blue ray.

wolf123 I am intrested to,besides the basic info size and speed,what are the main diffrances? 0-o

Hi there, I'm still too cheap to burn DVD Dual Layer at $6.00can each, and sure ain't gonna pay $19.99us for 1 x BD-R 25gb media :) 1 x BD-R (25 gb) = $19.99us 6 x DVD-R (4gb) = $3.24can (Taiyo Yuden @ $0.54 ea) For data that is, since BD-R(RE) will be needed to have HD Video :)

cougar_ii I am even more cheap than that *L* hell only way I'd pay a grand for a drive and 20 a disc is if the disc could hold 500GB worth of data...you heard me 500 G B *L*

I think I'll stick with a external hard drives.It's the best portable and rewritable and cost effective storage device.No need to buy a expensive discs made out of 23 cent plastic.does the same job in my opinion.

Just be careful with your Hard Drive. Overuse can cause corruption. If all you do is store stuff and that's it, then you should be fine, but if you constantly delete, format, write, overwrite, etc... your drive may die in a couple of years.

If these are reliable, I'd be willing to give them a try, but the burner required would be so expensive, it just isn't worth it. You'd have to write A LOT before the value of these outweighs that of a hard disk, at this price anyway. But then again, as said, this is the grand opening price. Soon after, the price will no doubt start to plummet. That's been the case with every media type except DVD-RAM.

sammorris No dout,in 2 years mabye just mabye but eh its soemthign to watch and bitch at untill it leaves fantsy priceing land *L*

Will they release this like the dvd recorders now speed by speed plus you will have too have a powerful machine too encode at 36 mbps.

Encode? Who said anything about encoding? You just don't get those sorts of speeds, this is writing to the disc. Encoding is done before you write to the media!

I am personally not cheap, but money wise. If these swindlers think I will buy their products at prices ranging at 19.99$ and above, they are out of their minds. Hypothetical situation here, what if you use the disc, the power goes off, you're in the middle of a burn...BOOM 19.99$ DOWN THE DRAIN!!! And since in the States minimum wage is 5$ an hour (which is close to slavery salary if you ask me) that is 4 hours for a crappy disc you won't end up using. Just as a tangent, minimum wage here in Montreal is 7.40$ an hour. Still chump change if you ask me. And what about these ridiculous 50 gb blue ray discs...at close to 50$ per disc...HA! HA! YA OK! I will stick to cheap 48cents dvds that come up to 6$. thanx

Aren't we forgetting something? With brand new technology, this problem always occurs. Now recordable DVDs have been about for a while the prices are reasonable. If you must dive in to be the first to use them, then you will be paying over the odds for them. I had no idea US minimum wages were so low, In the UK it's about the same in pounds, with a 1.8 exchange rate!

I agree with peanuts2. I use CD and DVD+/-RW's and external HD's for all of my back up. It cost much less than this "new tech" stuff they keep coming out with. It also works with everything I already own. WOW!!! 2X write speed!!! YE HAW!!! Luck to all!!!

Yeah exactly, I've only started writing DVDs often in the past few months. The majority of discs i've burnt are 8 or 16x discs.

Once again, sammorris has a good point, in a few years the cost factor will come down and what is new now will be commonplace in 3 to 5 years, just like everything else. But, also, by then this will be replaced by the "Next New Thing". Pay the piper!!! Luck to all!!!

The next new thing, gets us talking. One wonders whether you can use UV to read discs. By then, we'll probably have something better than a big plastic disc, there'll end up being a legacy slot for those CDs, DVDs and HD-DVDs, then like a slot that attaches a 500x SD card or equivalent. It'd eliminate the once-only issue. No coasters either!

It's a wonder that everything hasn't already gone to some type of "Memory Card" or "Stick" yet. I'm sure it will come down to something simple, just give it time.

sammorris mabye but that willtake 10-20 eyars to get to where sticks can hold 20 soemthign MB and cost soemthing like blank DVD or black BR discs

Well who knows, a mere couple of years ago you could only get 16MB flash drives, and USB only really became commonplace 7 years or so ago. Before that it was PS/2, serial and parallel.

sammorris point bah my mind is to slow to change subjects,been thinking about gas and methane/hydregen and battery powered cars,youknow we couldgo to ethenol in under 10 years and it will take 50 to perfect battery and methane/hydregen so the oli companys will rulefor another 50 years >> quite annoying. ture,altho I dont see 100GB flash drives under 20 for at least 8 years 0-o

No, I think you're right in that respect.

sammorris Also themedia indusrty would want a midea format that decays and or degrades after a few years *L* I think it has gotten use to that,but how long dose qauilty DVD-R media last 5-10 years? I ahve gotten tot eh point all my DL DVDs have D skin on them 0_o

I'm not sure, yet to have a disc that's degraded over time on me.

sammorris I ahve had at elast 1/4th of my CD collection flake and die,so I am labeling my DVD collection from the start.

I see, well sorry to hear that!

First time I've heard of this problem unless CD-R's are abused severely. Sorry dude, hope you have better luck in the future. I have hundreds of copies I've collected over the years and have backed them up to MP3's. Whenever I need a new copy of a disc, I pull up the MP3's and re-convert them to standard format so my standard CD player will play them. But I have never had one flake. Have your disc been exposed to alot of heat or sunlight? I've heard this may cause that problem. Also, is it the top or bottom flaking? LOL!!!

flyingv *noogies* its the top,I think cat piss and leting them dry on thier own might have helped,also they got moldy so meh >< I ahve 300+ cds so haveing 20 or less go aint so bad,altho without boardband repalceing stuff is fun >>

I'd say that was the problem. I'd recommend one of two things: 1- Kill the cat or, 2- put the CD's somewhere they can't be pissed upon! The bottom side of the top layer of the disc is where the DATA is recorded and if this gets scratched or chipped, disc is ruined. Good luck replacing the ones you lost. I've been messed up and been in contest to see who could throw a CD the furthest. They fly quite well, and coasters make great targets at the rifle range. So have some fun with the ones you had messed up and look at the bright side, be creative and don't just throw them away, recycle them like I do!!! Have fun and good luck!!!

flyingv *L* its msotly mold like stuff on them and that the paint or whatever and the foil just flaked off,without that tis a pice of plastic *L* oh well such is life ^^ I justmiss the freaking boardband net this dial up hurts I am even willign to pay 300 down and 100 a month for sat DSL....even if tis on every other day for 4 or 7 hours its better than dail up all the time..and I will keep dail up for simpel stuff >>

ZIppyDSM I have cable modem and wouldn't know where to go without it now. Pricey - but you get what you pay for. I used dial-up for years until I broke down and tried this. Only way to fly!!! LOL!!!

flyingv I moved or ahd to move sicne my mom and dad died last year (9 months apart liver and lung cancer) so from Cable net witch was 98 with cable TV,down to dailup....I cant take it much anymore >< I am more than willign to apy 100 a motnh for even simi working boardband I know how bad SATlite is but hell dail up is turely worse...