Analyst group says Sony must cut PS3 price if they hope to boost sales

agreed.

It is true they need to reduce prices but they need to either think to reduce prices on the console or the software.

Activision ... (spiderman 3 the game) O.o Activision shares fell 5% i hope that analyst knows what hes talking about.

i wonder how much these ppl get paid to come up with insightful comments like that?

Well it's true Sony really does need to drop the price of the unit, that's why I havn't bought a PS3. People can't keep saying "well it cost them much more to make the PS3", that may be true but you still need to keep the consumer/customer in mind when pricing your product.

No ones buying the system because there's no games out there that say...wow i need to get this system for 600$..


once Madden comes out, metal gear solid, nhl 08, mlb the show, grand theft auto.... the system will turn around.


the xbox 360 + HD-DVD ADDON = 600$ PS3 = 600 but includes the hd player.... it's not really that big of a deal.


the problem is little kids can't afford it, or their parents aren't going to buy them a 600$ console. this system is geared towards an older player with money. or.. a spoiled little brat lol.

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the xbox 360 + HD-DVD ADDON = 600$ PS3 = 600 but includes the hd player.... it's not really that big of a deal.

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Hey rob not to sound like a dick but not every single xbox360 owner buys an HD-DVD addon there dude...most dont...at least microsoft made it a choice...sony is just saying you have to buy my blue-ray to play me..i liked sony until the playstation 3 came out..now i lost all me respect toward that whole company..

LOL I should be an analyst!

This bonehead is spouting the same wisdom that has been dispensed here and on other forums now for months and packaging it up as his insightful, well thought out judgement based upon years of experience, knowledge of the markets and blah blah blah...lmao

Yeah I can do his job and make my recommendations about 3-4 months quicker than this dummy! I can't help but wonder if these guys just lurk in tech forums and make their predicitons from what WE are saying.

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[quote]the xbox 360 + HD-DVD ADDON = 600$ PS3 = 600 but includes the hd player.... it's not really that big of a deal.

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Hey rob not to sound like a dick but not every single xbox360 owner buys an HD-DVD addon there dude...most dont...at least microsoft made it a choice...sony is just saying you have to buy my blue-ray to play me..i liked sony until the playstation 3 came out..now i lost all me respect toward that whole company..

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That is very true, they keep saying Microsoft didn't include a HD-DVD player like it's a bad thing. The point is Sony stuffed the PS3 with technology (such as the Blu-ray player) that people really don't need or want, they should've done what Microsoft did and made it a customers choice of what they want. I find it amazing most gamers don't understand what Sony did when shoving that Blu-ray player in their. Most gamers are too incompetent to look at the fact that Sony thought the Playstation name would sell anything they throw at the consumer.

Is Bluray really a good medium for games?

if you read the above link it talks about the poor 2x Blu-ray read ability over a 12x dvd rom (publicly critised also by Bethesda's Todd Howard in regards to Morrowind Oblivion) then at the Sony's Gamer Day MTV's Stepehn Totilo installed Days of the Blade onto the hard drive and lowered the load times by over 10 seconds from the slow PS3 seagate SATA 1.5Gbps interface, 5400 RPM hard drive and has average seek times of 12.5ms.

even sony's David Jaffe has pubicly announced that he would have not included the Blu-ray drive because of over all costs, not just to the public.

then you get to the truth PS3: A smokescreen for Blu-ray? in an interview with Sony Europe VP Matt Brown he stated "The PS3 is going to help us do the job" and "by selling the PS3, they bring the number of Blu-ray owners up. That way, even if consumers actually prefer the HD-DVD format, they'll have a Blu-ray drive by default and that gives them a compelling reason to use it and buy Blu-ray discs with games and movies in them."

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Analyst group says Sony must cut PS3 price if they hope to boost sales

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Thank you captain obvious.

Originally posted by duckNrun:

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LOL I should be an analyst!

This bonehead is spouting the same wisdom that has been dispensed here and on other forums now for months and packaging it up as his insightful, well thought out judgement based upon years of experience, knowledge of the markets and blah blah blah...lmao

Yeah I can do his job and make my recommendations about 3-4 months quicker than this dummy! I can't help but wonder if these guys just lurk in tech forums and make their predicitons from what WE are saying.

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So very true.......
These analysts and most of the people on here are so predictable it isn’t funny anymore. Of course they should drop the price. MS should drop the price of the Elite (but still the same game console) 360 too. They should drop the price of gas as well but they aren't going to. Soooo much whining. It's alright with me though.......Whine all you want and don't buy the PS3. I don't want to meet the whiners on the "FREE" Playstation network anyway.

You'll be saying the same thing in a year or 2 about Microsoft when they release their new console.

I have a question for the one named "pigfister"........
I'm not trying to be an asshole even though you’re going to say I am.......
Do you ever make any of your own opinions or do you always believe what the internet fanboys tell you? I can dig up a lot of nasty articles about the 360 and the wii and make them look bad but it is almost all "here say" and people’s opinions. Not fact. The only fact that you present there is that the BR drive is slower. Everything else is all opinions.

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Originally posted by pigfister:

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Is Bluray really a good medium for games?

if you read the above link it talks about the poor 2x Blu-ray read ability over a 12x dvd rom (publicly critised also by Bethesda's Todd Howard in regards to Morrowind Oblivion) then at the Sony's Gamer Day MTV's Stepehn Totilo installed Days of the Blade onto the hard drive and lowered the load times by over 10 seconds from the slow PS3 seagate SATA 1.5Gbps interface, 5400 RPM hard drive and has average seek times of 12.5ms.

even sony's David Jaffe has pubicly announced that he would have not included the Blu-ray drive because of over all costs, not just to the public.

then you get to the truth PS3: A smokescreen for Blu-ray? in an interview with Sony Europe VP Matt Brown he stated "The PS3 is going to help us do the job" and "by selling the PS3, they bring the number of Blu-ray owners up. That way, even if consumers actually prefer the HD-DVD format, they'll have a Blu-ray drive by default and that gives them a compelling reason to use it and buy Blu-ray discs with games and movies in them."

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See this is why people need to stop listen to web links & do your own research before you bash anything.That whole link was pointless as of now i have 9 PS3 game data on my HD that is just under 2gigs.Plus right now PS3 load times has been a none issue,actually better than 360 compared to the same game on PS3.I get tired of people bitching on here if you don't like the PS3 find a real reason to bash it & not some bias ass site that has misinformation or you think the price to high don't buy it someone else will.

Originally posted by NexGen76 :

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See this is why people need to stop listen to web links & do your own research before you bash anything.That whole link was pointless as of now i have 9 PS3 game data on my HD that is just under 2gigs.Plus right now PS3 load times has been a none issue,actually better than 360 compared to the same game on PS3.I get tired of people bitching on here if you don't like the PS3 find a real reason to bash it & not some bias ass site that has misinformation or you think the price to high don't buy it someone else will.

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OK then the FACT that at sony gamer day in front of worldwide journalists is all the evidence that is needed, as it was PROVEN that installing the game to the hard drive reduced load times by over 10 seconds.Gamer Day Link


hear is a link to the easy to follow first look technical break down of the ps3.


i have the funds to be able to purchase a ps3 but i wont get one until the ps3.2 is released with a larger 100gig+ hd and at least a 6x Blu-ray rom so future larger games wont suffer from poor load times because sony wanted to include a trojan Blu-ray drive to win the format war leaving the gamers with a poor slow Blu-ray rom even though 4x Blu-ray drives were readily available at the time of production. Even though Sony stated they need the Blu-ray for the larger games recent Sony Employee Redundancies: were because of a changing market in distributing games via the internet moving away from hard copies as this is another way for Sony to combat piracy and save costs, so why exactly the slow 2xspeed Blu-ray drive

Originally posted by pig:

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sony's David Jaffe has pubicly announced that he would have not included the Blu-ray drive because of over all costs, not just to the public.

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STORY LINK INCLUDING VIDEO INTERVIEW WITH MR JAFFE

Then you get to the real reason for the inclusion of the Blu-ray drive from euro Sony Vice President Matt Brown in an interview with the Guardian News, sony wins the format war but gamers suffer

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then you get to the truth PS3: A smokescreen for Blu-ray? in an interview with Sony Europe VP Matt Brown he stated "The PS3 is going to help us do the job" and "by selling the PS3, they bring the number of Blu-ray owners up. That way, even if consumers actually prefer the HD-DVD format, they'll have a Blu-ray drive by default and that gives them a compelling reason to use it and buy Blu-ray discs with games and movies in them."

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STORY LINK

Originally posted by pigfister:

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i have the funds to be able to purchase a ps3 but i wont get one until the ps3.2 is released with a larger 100gig+ hd and at least a 6x Blu-ray rom so future larger games wont suffer from poor load times because sony wanted to include a trojan Blu-ray drive to win the format war leaving the gamers with a poor slow Blu-ray rom even though 4x Blu-ray drives were readily available at the time of production. Even though Sony stated they need the Blu-ray for the larger games recent Sony Employee Redundancies: were because of a changing market in distributing games via the internet moving away from hard copies as this is another way for Sony to combat piracy and save costs, so why exactly the slow 2xspeed Blu-ray drive

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Dude form you own opinion & not live off what other people say.I haven't heard not one issue from a PS3 owner about load times not some dam journalists, he is doing what he getting paid to do create story's.So are you going to listen to gamers or a journalists.I care less whats under the PS3 hood.I feel i'm getting my money worth thats all that really matter to me,Games make system successful not systems spec's.

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Originally posted by pigfister:

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i have the funds to be able to purchase a ps3 but i wont get one until the ps3.2 is released with a larger 100gig+ hd and at least a 6x Blu-ray rom so future larger games wont suffer from poor load times because sony wanted to include a trojan Blu-ray drive to win the format war leaving the gamers with a poor slow Blu-ray rom even though 4x Blu-ray drives were readily available at the time of production. Even though Sony stated they need the Blu-ray for the larger games recent Sony Employee Redundancies: were because of a changing market in distributing games via the internet moving away from hard copies as this is another way for Sony to combat piracy and save costs, so why exactly the slow 2xspeed Blu-ray drive

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Dude form you own opinion & not live off what other people say.I haven't heard not one issue from a PS3 owner about load times not some dam journalists, he is doing what he getting paid to do create story's.So are you going to listen to gamers or a journalists.I care less whats under the PS3 hood.I feel i'm getting my money worth thats all that really matter to me,Games make system successful not systems spec's.

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Agreed…… but you have to admit that the load time for Motostorm was horrible. The load time is the reason I stopped playing that game. I think it was more the game and not the PS3 because that’s the only game I’ve had trouble with so far.
What is with this “I need a bigger hard drive” shit? Am I the only person that knows how to delete stuff? What do you need all that space for? And even if you do “need“ the extra space……. Buy a used one and put your own hard drive in. Or get an external drive and go even bigger than 100 gigs. This seems like a simple thing to me. You say price is the problem? I just watched a PS3 on EBay sell for just under $500. $492 or something like that. Plenty left over to get a huge hard drive.

Originally posted by azndrake:

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Activision ... (spiderman 3 the game) O.o Activision shares fell 5% i hope that analyst knows what hes talking about.

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shares falling have nothing to do with good sales... they can sell alot... and shares still fall from other consoles.. other buisness decisions. ect.

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Hey rob not to sound like a dick but not every single xbox360 owner buys an HD-DVD addon there dude...most dont...at least microsoft made it a choice...sony is just saying you have to buy my blue-ray to play me..i liked sony until the playstation 3 came out..now i lost all me respect toward that whole company..

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HD-DVD is for movies only. no one does buy it.. cus its expensive and its garbage and they have playback problems. the blu ray is used for "GAMES" so they included it to benefit you by having something that can play games and high def movies and up to 200GB. but if your still suck with an analog TV and the 360. then hate on ps3.

lxfactor you're that type of fanboy gamer that can't look at things from another side. If you really think just because they added a Blu-ray player and put games on Blu-ray disk that that gives the PS3 an advantage you must be suffering from a brain tumor. 360 games are blowing PS3 games out of the water and their still placed on regular DVD-9 disk, so you my friend need to revaluate your distorted views.

Originally posted by fgamer:

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lxfactor you're that type of fanboy gamer that can't look at things from another side. If you really think just because they added a Blu-ray player and put games on Blu-ray disk that that gives the PS3 an advantage you must be suffering from a brain tumor

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Actual it does give the PS3 a advantage,how much we wont know until at lease two year down the road.But i think it was a great idea that i have a gaming system & a BD player all in one.

Originally posted by fgamer:

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360 games are blowing PS3 games out of the water and their still placed on regular DVD-9

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Slow down because 360 only have one game that does that & its Gears of War.But most of the reviews i seen when compared,most people think that they are on the same level or some 360 games are just a tab better but not by much.But you got to look at things this way 360 had a year head start,So think about it if PS3 game are on the same level as 360 PS3 games are only going to get better.I feel that 360 will never have a game that look better than GoW not even Halo3 going to look better than that game.

I'm amazed when people think the PS3 is new technology.
It's over a year late.It's had the same time frame for software development as the 360.The Blu-ray capability is the only reason it was held back from being released.
The PS3 doesn't show any advantage over the 360 because
it's a frickin' nightmare to code in comparison.What takes a year
on the 360 would take 2 years on the PS3.Or you could say,it's going
to cost developers twice as much in the same time frame.
3 cores vs 1 core,7 SPE's.That's over twice the processors to
code,load-balance,debug,etc.The PC with dual-cores are hard enough
to push to the max,a 360 more difficult still but the PS3 is in
a league of it's own.The PS3 will get shoddy ports because 3rd party developers have a cost/time-frame limit.First party games will be where it's at but don't expect them to be pouring onto shelves soon.The PS3 is a very capable console but sadly,I don't think people will see it's full potential until many years later and by then the next-next-gen will be upon us.

Originally posted by ChromeMud:

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I'm amazed when people think the PS3 is new technology.
It's over a year late.It's had the same time frame for software development as the 360.The Blu-ray capability is the only reason it was held back from being released.

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I don't remember it that way. As I remember it, production costs because of expensive parts and build design was the problem. Maybe I missed something.

As for the coding problem….. When the next gen Xbox (or whatever) comes out Sony will have the advantage of getting games first. My PS3 will outlast my 360 by leaps and bounds. Just like the PS2 out lasted the Xbox. Hell the PS2 is still pumping out games that can be placed on the same level as the 360. Just imagine what the PS3 will be able to do in time. People will demand better looking, bigger, longer and more involved games sooner or later and the 360 just won’t be able to do it. I think they showed what they have to offer with Gears of War. It’s not going to get much better than that and still keep the game playable for more than 3 hours. PS3 can do that and much more. So it’s a tad slower on the loading time. I think I can deal with it for all the other perks it has to offer.

P.S.
You think $600 is bad? Microsoft is robbing all of us, even you PS3 haters, for a lot more and your too dumb to see it. I see it but I can’t do anything about it if I want to play the games they have to offer.

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I don't remember it that way. As I remember it, production costs because of expensive parts and build design was the problem. Maybe I missed something.

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Each delay was supposedly because of Blu-ray diodes this or Blu-ray drives that. I don't know what the actual reasons were for the delays, but Sony maintained it was was Blu-ray.

Wow! Lower prices to increase demand. Such insight and brilliance.

@djeazyg

"My PS3 will outlast my 360 by leaps and bounds. Just like the PS2 out lasted the Xbox."

The PS2 outlasted the Xbox for many reason that won't be repeated this time round.It isn't cheaper to build and cheaper to sell.It isn't first to the market.It doesn't have the initial larger user-base.It doesn't have all the exclusive games content any more.
Visually,the PS3 and 360 are comparable,GPU,RAM and CPU all
considered whereas the PS2 was graphicaly inferior by some margin
compared to the Xbox.

"Hell the PS2 is still pumping out games that can be placed on the same level as the 360."

Obviously you are talking about playability because if you are talking about graphics and sound then you're an idiot.

"I think they showed what they have to offer with Gears of War. It’s not going to get much better than that and still keep the game playable for more than 3 hours."

I got over 20 hours of single/co-op play out of GEARS and online is
infinitely more so I don't get your BS!

"PS3 can do that and much more."

Havn't seen anything yet that proves your BS!

"and your too dumb to see it."

Quite the opposite ironicaly!

Originally posted by ChromeMud:

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"My PS3 will outlast my 360 by leaps and bounds. Just like the PS2 out lasted the Xbox."

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the ps2 had no competition for many years other than the dreamcast that failed due to a great sony marketing pr machine, and had plenty of exclusives which is why it did so well and was a great machine other than the macrovision green screen with dvd's via rgb. How many exclusives has sony lost thus far?

This time around the ps3, 360 and wii, will all share around 30% ish of the market each, so your ps2 comparison is fatally flawed.

@ pigfister

Actualy it was I, who quoted 'djeazyg' for saying :-

"My PS3 will outlast my 360 by leaps and bounds. Just like the PS2 out lasted the Xbox."

Anyway I thought the argument was completely flawed.
The Wii offers the most gaming value but if it's HD you want then the 360 offers the best value because it concentrates on games
NOT movies.
IF Blu-ray wins the format war then it can be considered a bonus
but as it is,it's a TROJAN horse with games tacked on!

Originally posted by lxfactor:

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HD-DVD is for movies only. no one does buy it.

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- Well obviously enough people are buying it for the BD fanclub to be so bothered about it that they invariably feel moved to continually slam it, lie about it & generally can be relied upon to talk utter cr@p about it.

HD DVD stand-alones out-sell BD stand-alones by a huge margin.

BD relies almost entirely on the PS3 and BD stand-alones sell very poorly, so much so that it is now to all intents and purposes a PS3 proprietary format.

HD DVD is a purpose designed video media (unlike BD which is a purpose designed bulk data storage media - there is a difference).

Nevertheless HD DVD could be used for games if they wanted to use it that way but the current choice is not to as it is considered to be a wholly unnecessary expense that would deny millions of the existing XBox 360 installed base access to the games.

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cus its expensive

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- Rubbish.
That's just either total ignorance or an an outright lie.

The Toshiba HD A2 is currently $310 on Amazon USA and the Toshiba HD A20 is $360 right now.

The Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on (which will work just fine with a recent & decent PC) can be had for $72 in the USA right now.......and you don't need an XBox 360 'base unit' to run one.

(With a decent & recent PC running reasonable software & a mid-level graphics card the sound issues some have complained about and the supposed 1080i resolution limitation vanish; if your PC graphics card can output 1080p then that is what you'll get & the sound will be whatever your sound card can output.)

Let's see you list 3 separate BD players and their prices to compare them with, hmmmm?
Then we'll talk about "expensive".

Originally posted by lxfactor:

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and its garbage and they have playback problems.

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- Oh dear. More lies.

You must mean HD DVD has won several international awards for the quality of it's image and sound quality......

..... and that there have been a just few of discs (is it 3 or 4? lol ) which have had problems (which Universal have said they will replace)?

The rest has been temporary 'issues', which for the XBox 360 & the XBox 360 HD DVD add-on combo Microsoft have issued a new firmware to sort out......note they do not apply to the XBox 360 HD DVD add-on when it is used with a PC.

Toshiba have recently issued new firmwares for their stand-alones when they have been effected.

Are you trying to say that BD has not had similar problems or that none of the BD players have needed firmware upgrades to sort out their periodic 'issues'?

Cos if you are you could not be more wrong.

Originally posted by lxfactor:

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the blu ray is used for "GAMES"

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- Well a BD drive is what is there in the PS3 and it's all it's got so it's kind of a moot point that one.

Originally posted by lxfactor:

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so they included it to benefit you

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- BS.

They included it to attempt to further their whole BD strategy (which is to dominate the video/movie business for the next gen).

Why are you even trying to talk this nonsense?

.....particularly when the quotes from the Sony execs are out there showing the whole 'Trojan horse' story is true?

Originally posted by lxfactor:

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by having something that can play games and high def movies and up to 200GB.

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- LMAO.

There is no fact behind this garbage.

The 100gb & 200gb theoretical potential BD might have in the retail market (one day) is a world away from the hardware out now.......and God only knows what price the hardware and media would cost if it ever comes to market
(dual layer 50gb discs took long enough to perfect & cost a fortune as it is with high manufacturing costs).

......but feel free to back up your claim that the BD drive in a PS3 right now is there (and able) to benefit customers with "up to 200gb" media.

I'd love to see what fantasy that is based upon.

Originally posted by lxfactor:

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but if your still suck with an analog TV

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- Given that under 30% of US homes have HD TV (and far far less than that in Europe) I'd suggest that problem is one that applies to PS3 too perhaps it'd be wise not to sneer, huh?

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then hate on ps3.

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- LMAO again.

OK, so challenging & pointing out the ignorance, propaganda and sheer misinformation is "hate" now is it?

Figures.

That's probably as good an indicator of how pathetic much of the pro-BD 'debate' has been in this to date.

Typical, a thread about the manifest need to cut the PS3's bloated price to stimulate stalled sales becomes just another vehicle to try and bash HD DVD with ludicrously lame and ill-informed 'attacks'.
Sad.

ChromeMud

"Obviously you are talking about playability because if you are talking about graphics and sound then you're an idiot."

First....Name calling is very childish. Grow up.
Second...I said on the same level, not better. I can see the 360 games are better. God Of War is just as nice as anything the 360 has done yet.

"I got over 20 hours of single/co-op play out of GEARS and online is
infinitely more so I don't get your BS!"

First....Read what I say and don't make shit up. I said ""It’s not going to get much better than that"" as in better than Gears of War. Gears of War is a great game. Long enough and fun as hell but if MS tries to do better than that the games will be lacking in one form or another.
Second....Your co-op play is the same game with a friend or on-line. Still the same game. I've played thru it 5 or more times. I've played THE SAME GAME 5 or more times. I don't add those times together and say it was a 50 hour game.

"Havn't seen anything yet that proves your BS!"

You said it yourself. "YET!!" You could be right. But probably not. We’ll see in a year or so.

"Quite the opposite ironicaly!"

Your opinion quite ironically.

pigfister
ChromeMud

"My PS3 will outlast my 360 by leaps and bounds. Just like the PS2 out lasted the Xbox."

If you guys want to buy a new console every 4 years from Microsoft and pay $500 or more for it be my guest. I will pay $600 for my PS3 right now and still be playing it 6 years from now and long after the 360 is dead. Who is spending more money?
I wish both of you luck. Your new MS game console will be out in about 2 years. Your going to pay $600 or more for it. Your going to come to these forums and claim how great it is.
I will also buy the new game console that MS will bring out in 2 years. But I will enjoy the fact that my PS3 will be pumping the same games as the new console.

some people need to get a life and stop fighting over a dam gaming console...play for the games like the gaming industry used to..