The announcement, although official, does not include a statement from Microsoft which should make one in the coming days. Many expect a price drop in the UK when Microsoft does make their announcement.
Update when Microsoft confirms.
Source:
GI.biz
that's still a rip off.the playstation 3 has blu-ray already included in it so when you buy an add-on for the 360,the ps3 is actually cheaper.correct if im wrong but does microsoft even use hd-dvd for their games?i heard they're dual layer dvds.if that's true that's pretty lame.but if that's wrong,well then stick to the first thing i said.
Originally posted by BIGnewb:
that's still a rip off.the playstation 3 has blu-ray already included in it so when you buy an add-on for the 360,the ps3 is actually cheaper.correct if im wrong but does microsoft even use hd-dvd for their games?i heard they're dual layer dvds.if that's true that's pretty lame.but if that's wrong,well then stick to the first thing i said.
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correct if im wrong but does microsoft even use hd-dvd for their games?i heard they're dual layer dvds.
Originally posted by diabolic:- No they don't.
Yes it does and I'm glad they do, they are cheap and easy to backup.
There are way too many 50gig games that are superior to 360 games.
Just check out the charts,you'll see.....oh!
Well it has CELL so all is well in the universe.
/gets coat & runs!
microsoft doesnt use hd dvd games and if they did why the hell would there be one that you can install the 360's would already have a hd dvd reader for the games
Originally posted by pride1:1.All games on 360 & PS3 are in High-def...lol so to fully enjoy games on either system it would be best to get a HD set, not just for movies but for gaming also.
1. Having the HD DVD player as an OPTIONAL piece is a great idea, we don't all have a Hi def tv so why buy something we are not even going to use.
Originally posted by ChromeMud:Because a game takes up 50gigs don't mean that its going to be a long game or better game.A lot of people got the concept of more storage wrong.That space is there to make fully polished games far as sound & visual with less CG & more real time in games.There is a reason that G.O.W was short because DVD-9 limited some of the things that Epic Mark Rein stated at the E-3 07 this years thats why the PC version going to be better & also has the main Boss stage on the PC version i really think the 360 fans got hosed.Right now the reason games not looking good on the PS3 is the Dev's are still learning how to code on the PS3 its going to take time,But as seen Killzone 2 & MGS4 is going to be like no game on either system.
There are way too many 50gig games that are superior to 360 games.
Just check out the charts,you'll see.....oh!
Well it has CELL so all is well in the universe.
Originally posted by hughjars:Not even being anywhere close to the truth if so why are Microsoft hiding from the user the some games into the future going to require use of the HD...Because games on the 360 are being limited on space.
The truth is that there is no need to use anything beyond DVD9 for games, not now consoles are getting decent sized HDDs built-in and on-line gaming is taking off properly.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- True.
Because a game takes up 50gigs don't mean that its going to be a long game or better game.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- Not true.
A lot of people got the concept of more storage wrong.That space is there to make fully polished games far as sound & visual with less CG & more real time in games.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- Sure you do.
There is a reason that G.O.W was short because DVD-9 limited some of the things that Epic Mark Rein stated at the E-3 07 this years thats why the PC version going to be better & also has the main Boss stage on the PC version i really think the 360 fans got hosed.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- It's always 'jam tomorrow' with PS3 (and Blu-ray for that matter too).
Right now the reason games not looking good on the PS3 is the Dev's are still learning how to code on the PS3 its going to take time,But as seen Killzone 2 & MGS4 is going to be like no game on either system.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- "likely improve".....wow what a lame endorsement.
Sony's Phil Harrison said in an interview on Wednesday that the quality of third-party PS3 titles will likely improve due to the sharing of first-party technologies with outside publishers.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=130688
Originally posted by nextgen76:- Nextgen if you're going to try and have a go at my stuff at least do me the courtesy of reading it properly first.
Not even being anywhere close to the truth if so why are Microsoft hiding from the user the some games into the future going to require use of the HD...Because games on the 360 are being limited on space.
Originally posted by nextgen76:
During a session at the Edinburgh Interactive Festival, Mark Rein, vice president of Epic Games, has expressed his appreciation for the extra storage space on Blu-ray discs over the standard DVD format.
Speaking on the forthcoming Unreal Tournament 3 title, which will be released on the PlayStation 3 before the Xbox 360, he warned that "we may have fewer maps on the 360 version…Blu-Ray has definitely given us a lot of legroom.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27675
Back OT.
The real issue here is whether they are going to extend the incredibel offers that have been made in the USA.
Recently (including the copy of King Kong in the box) they were giving away 9 free HD DVDs.
If only we saw something similar here......but I've read recently that Toshiba are extending their 5 freebie HD DVD movie offer to buyers of their HD DVD players.
You never know. ;)
hughjars
Looking at the direction of PGR and a few other games MS is going to have to evole what they do with data multi discs and mandatory HD caching will have to be put in placed for the 360 to not get hand me downs games in teh coming 4 years,its still a good 20ish months off until more and more games will get larger but believe me brother its coming and MS has to advance to meet it, they should have left HDVD games as a option and put a Hdvd Elite out in 09/010 as well as bring the Hdvd player down to 90$ by then.
In any case MS can drop the core and get the 360 ready for larger games.
ChromeMud
not really its still 50/50 most of the mutli console titles run better on the 360,not all but most..
the PS3 still has abotu 20 months before it will have a steady flow of optimized games might even be 30 months,in any case the PS3 can only get better (unless they raise the price and I wont put that past them with the "its more of a vaule at 799" spew) the 360 has a hump to get over and MS has not revealed how they will climb the hill before them(droping core,mandatory HD caching,multi disc games,ect)..
NexGen76
the 360 dint have a Hdef standard till a few months(or year) ago, the 360 was a early bloomer and a bit of a organized mess when it comes to Hdef its better now but the PS3 dose have better Hdef options however it has optimization issues to get over.
Price aside the PS3 has the long run(if it can lower the price), for now its rife with optimization issues and crappy launch titles.
The 360 has a developed line up but suffers from hardware issues the newest of which is giving games the legroom they need, MS is in a pickle they made mistakes over the HD size and are ignoring the game size issue if they do not own up to up and let devs optimize as best they can for it the 360 is dead in the water.
BTW I see sony doing 2 mistakes in this 1 price 2 BWC,if the focused the launch at 400-480 for the 60GB unit they would have not only sold a lot of PS3s but BR movies along with it laying a solid foundation for them instead they had to go swim in the quickcert...
Zippy mate if PS3 needs 20 months to come good it's all over.
People won't wait......hell you can see in the numbers they aren't waiting now nevermind for another 1.5yrs+.
In 20mths we're due the next systems appearing and they are going to be stuck trying to convince people their system is now sorted & optimised in the face of the next Xbox which will be a whole generation on.
If they wish to give up & settle for a 'Wii' approach and desert the leading edge then that's up to them & it's a perfectly reasonable strategy (as Nintendo are showing only too well) but somehow I doubt they would stomach that.
Originally posted by hughjars:Please they waited on the 360 to get better when it was the only damn thing out,because asia backs sony/nin,sony wont be going away any time soon and with a solid amount in the used market it will only take a few big titles to help them gain ground but the steady optimized games are months off and the 360 will be nearing tis end by then because of the rate games are evolving.
Zippy mate if PS3 needs 20 months to come good it's all over.
People won't wait......hell you can see in the numbers they aren't waiting now nevermind for another 1.5yrs+.
In 20mths we're due the next systems appearing and they are going to be stuck trying to convince people their system is now sorted & optimised in the face of the next Xbox which will be a whole generation on.
If they wish to give up & settle for a 'Wii' approach and desert the leading edge then that's up to them & it's a perfectly reasonable strategy (as Nintendo are showing only too well) but somehow I doubt they would stomach that.
Well it's all conjecture but I don't go along with the idea that Sony will keep the Ps3 '1st division' for more than 5 or 6 years.
They'll be working flat out on PS4 right now and (bearing in mind the PS3s delays) it may come sooner than some expect too.
As for the next Nintendo?
I reckon on another Wii-type idea but somewhat faster & with more RAM etc and probably HD......maybe even that rumoured HD DVD drive some had been talking about - now wouldn't that be an interesting twist in the road?
Why not?
Originally posted by hughjars:
Well it's all conjecture but I don't go along with the idea that Sony will keep the Ps3 '1st division' for more than 5 or 6 years.
They'll be working flat out on PS4 right now and (bearing in mind the PS3s delays) it may come sooner than some expect too.
As for the next Nintendo?
I reckon on another Wii-type idea but somewhat faster & with more RAM etc and probably HD......maybe even that rumoured HD DVD drive some had been talking about - now wouldn't that be an interesting twist in the road?
Why not?
Originally posted by Zippy:Thanks Zippy for explaining that to him.Because the 360 is going to start putting Data on the HD still don't solve the dvd-9 limited issue.Right now the 360 look like a good bang for the buck but its future is very short.
hughjars
Looking at the direction of PGR and a few other games MS is going to have to evole what they do with data multi discs and mandatory HD caching will have to be put in placed for the 360 to not get hand me downs games in teh coming 4 years,its still a good 20ish months off until more and more games will get larger but believe me brother its coming and MS has to advance to meet it, they should have left HDVD games as a option and put a Hdvd Elite out in 09/010 as well as bring the Hdvd player down to 90$ by then.
Originally posted by hughjars:I'm trying to educate you on this issue because you are a long way off thinking that Elite going to solve this issue.
- Nextgen if you're going to try and have a go at my stuff at least do me the courtesy of reading it properly first.
I specifically mentioned the HDD (hard disc drive) as a reason why you don't need more than DVD9's.....just like you don't with PC games either.
......and even for someone trying to take a bash I'd say it's a little hard to claim Microsoft are "hiding" the hard drive when they just brought out a new 120gb one, wouldn't you say?
Or do you reckon the 'Elite' etc is some kind of secret to anyone?
Originally posted by hughjars:The Wii outsold the PlayStation 3 by a factor of three to one in August, but its overwhelming lead narrowed for the second consecutive month according to Reuters.
Zippy mate if PS3 needs 20 months to come good it's all over.
People won't wait......hell you can see in the numbers they aren't waiting now nevermind for another 1.5yrs+.
In 20mths we're due the next systems appearing and they are going to be stuck trying to convince people their system is now sorted & optimised in the face of the next Xbox which will be a whole generation on.
If they wish to give up & settle for a 'Wii' approach and desert the leading edge then that's up to them & it's a perfectly reasonable strategy (as Nintendo are showing only too well) but somehow I doubt they would stomach that.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- Nextgen try acting like a grown up and discussing things with the person saying them.
Thanks Zippy for explaining that to him.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- Don't be absurd.
Because the 360 is going to start putting Data on the HD still don't solve the dvd-9 limited issue.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- You (so obviously) wish.
Right now the 360 look like a good bang for the buck but its future is very short.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- Swerve the issue all you like but on the one hand you want to make a dumb little dig as if the use of the HDD is some kind of secret move and on the other you want to spin it as being of no real use.
I'm trying to educate you on this issue because you are a long way off thinking that Elite going to solve this issue.
Originally posted by nextgen76:- There's a world of difference between a short-lived sales spike cos of the recent 'fire sale' of the old & dead 60gb PS3 model and the situation regarding overall sales.
The Wii outsold the PlayStation 3 by a factor of three to one in August, but its overwhelming lead narrowed for the second consecutive month according to Reuters.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=132308
Quote:An HD addon is very smart of MS. If HD loses the war, they can cut their losses and discontinue the player. Since HD TV is not mainstream yet, customers can enjoy a 360 without having to spend extra money on a HD player.
that's still a rip off.the playstation 3 has blu-ray already included in it so when you buy an add-on for the 360,the ps3 is actually cheaper.
Can u add a HDD to the 360 core. I just think M$ should replace defected
Cores with the premiums and gave all Core owners a voucher for a free upgrade or usb HDD. Storage problem that doesnt exist solved
Originally posted by plutonash:- Yes.
Can u add a HDD to the 360 core.
Originally posted by plutonash:- Personally I think something close to this is what is going to happen.
I just think M$ should replace defected
Cores with the premiums and gave all Core owners a voucher for a free upgrade or usb HDD. Storage problem that doesnt exist solved
hughjars
have you seen this one?
Sony says it will take 4 years for the PS3 to be running fully :P
http://www.gamepoliticsforums.com/showthread.php?t=2966
Oh dear.
4 years is too long in techy stuff, that's almost the whole length of a game console life-cycle (in fact including the 1 year delay it is, 5yrs seems about it).
Obviously they're in big trouble if this is true.
Had to catch up on all those comments....phew!
The extra capacity of Blu-Ray is nice and the CELL chip might one day prove IBM's/Sony's strategy of competing with Intel and AMD but it might not be enough to make a difference this generation.
I believe that the programming complexity of the CELL is inefficient to get a desired result in a certain amount of time.As we all know times costs money so expecting games to leap way and above the 360 is wishful thinking.It takes way too much effort and time to even match what the 360 can do given equal resources.
This argument could also extend to the Blu-Ray format that can provide a lot more storage data but this also requires time and money to create the extra content so as you can see it's a catch22 situation all round.
Sony have created a very complex beast that is expensive to develop for whilst Nintendo and Microsoft have consoles that are both easier and quicker to develop for and thus cheaper.
It's all about business at the end of the day and I think Nintendo and Microsoft are playing with better hands than Sony this time round.
All in all,I think there's room for all three in the market but I don't see Sony changing position from third any time soon.
Originally posted by hughjars:Well the PS3 dose have the power and disc space to run 7+ years giving them time to nutrue and build a better console for the PS4,but I dunno sony dose not seem like the nuture type 0.o
Oh dear.
4 years is too long in techy stuff, that's almost the whole length of a game console life-cycle (in fact including the 1 year delay it is, 5yrs seems about it).
Obviously they're in big trouble if this is true.
Originally posted by borhan9:
price drops always coming everyday.