Say hello to the Wii 2's official leaked specs?

Written by Andre Yoskowitz @ 31 May 2011 1:46 User comments (53)

Less than a week before their official announcement Neogaf has posted what appears to be the hardware specs for the upcoming Wii 2 (Project Cafe).

If the leaked specs are accurate, the system will bring a very powerful console, Blu-ray support, backwards compatibility and finally, HD graphics.

The leaked specs:

Graphics:
Custom AMD RV770 Chip “WOLF” @ 766Mhz on 32nm process
1398 Gflops

CPU:
Custom IBM Power 6 Chip “FOX” on 32nm process
4 cores, each two way SMT-capable and clocked at 3.5 GHz
175.9 GFLOPS theoretical peak performance (single-precision)
87.6 GFLOPS theoretical peak performance (double-precision)

Memory:
512 MB XDR2 DRAM main memory
+ 1024 GDDR5 video memory
+ 16 MB eDRAM

Storage:
2.5-inch SATA hard drive with 250 GB / 320 GB capacity
Expanded storage via SD and SDHC card memory (up to 64 GB)

Media:
Custom Blu-ray Disc, up to 50 GB
Compatible with 7 cm Nintendo GameCube Game Disc and 12 cm Wii Optical Disc

Display:
Video output formats
Composite video: 480i, 576i (PAL)
S-Video: 480i, 576i (PAL)
RGB SCART: 480i, 576i (PAL)
Component (YPBPR): 480i, 576i (PAL), 480p, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
D-Terminal: 480i (D1), 480p (D2), 720p (D4), 1080i (D3), 1080p (D5)
HDMI: 480p, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

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131.5.2011 13:52

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Nice to see the gamecube compat along with the wii compat in the specs...

231.5.2011 14:07

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This better be true...

331.5.2011 14:14

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Well, looks like Nintendo will win the next gen console war too.

431.5.2011 14:18

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is it just me or are these specs unimpressive. I get a feeling I'll be able to build a pc with better specs for about the same price they'll be selling this.
Look at the main system RAM doesn't the six year old Xbox and five year old PS3 have as much? (I know its shared with video but come on) It should at least be twice as much if Nintendo are really gonna go with this as a long haul system.
But hey maybe I'm picking on nintendo cause the inclusion of a BRD is a really good move and I'll assume here that it has gigabit ethernet, N wifi and at least blue-tooth 3.

531.5.2011 15:16

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usb 3.0 is needed and the usb needs to be much used this time and also, I hope you can charge the controllers using the usb just like for the ps3 controller rather than keep buying new batteries and rechargeable ones.

631.5.2011 16:29

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if they ditch the gimmicky controllers, for say i don't know a controller one that doesn't come in 8 pieces id buy it.

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731.5.2011 16:41

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Originally posted by xyqo:
is it just me or are these specs unimpressive. I get a feeling I'll be able to build a pc with better specs for about the same price they'll be selling this.
Look at the main system RAM doesn't the six year old Xbox and five year old PS3 have as much? (I know its shared with video but come on) It should at least be twice as much if Nintendo are really gonna go with this as a long haul system.
But hey maybe I'm picking on nintendo cause the inclusion of a BRD is a really good move and I'll assume here that it has gigabit ethernet, N wifi and at least blue-tooth 3.

360 has 512MB of shared memory; PS3 has 256MB 'main' memory and 256MB video memory. Console memory is purposely kept to a minimum due to cost, heat and performance (including making any good developer optimize their code).

The specs actually look close to the PS4's rumored specs, except that the PS4's CPU may be POWER 7-based and/or dual multi-core and separate (multi?) upgraded SPE co-processor units (from the Cell, which would also make it PS3 backward compatible).

831.5.2011 17:29

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Originally posted by DXR88:
if they ditch the gimmicky controllers, for say i don't know a controller one that doesn't come in 8 pieces id buy it.

no point of naming it wii2 then. In fact, the next gen of wii console will use lots of motions than ever.

931.5.2011 18:16

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wow now that would be something if its true...

1031.5.2011 18:35

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adeon R770 = Radeon 48xx series, @ 766mhz, that basically means a mildly overclocked Radeon 4870 (750mhz stock) most likely.

This type of machine would be approx 4 times as fast as 360 and PS3. It would be enough to knock out better visuals in 1080p resolutions than either existing HD console could do in just 720p. Thing is, it states 16mb eDRAM. That would only actually be enough for a 1280 x 720 framebuffer if that is its intended use. This might be an early indication that the target res of games is 720p, however 1GB of Vram would be more than enough for 1080p.

This is a fairly powerful machine. However expect even more from PS4/360 replacement. Already a Radeon 6870 is twice as fast as a Radeon 4870, and its not even high end.

Saying that, this means this machine will not be excessively expensive to manufacture- its plenty faster than the existing crop, but some way short of bleeding edge tech. It'll never come in at original wii prices, but its possible it might not be all that much more expensive than a PS3.

1131.5.2011 18:55

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@jookycola have you got the new PS4 & Xbox specs then?

1231.5.2011 19:16

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Originally posted by xyqo:
is it just me or are these specs unimpressive. I get a feeling I'll be able to build a pc with better specs for about the same price they'll be selling this.
Look at the main system RAM doesn't the six year old Xbox and five year old PS3 have as much? (I know its shared with video but come on) It should at least be twice as much if Nintendo are really gonna go with this as a long haul system.
But hey maybe I'm picking on nintendo cause the inclusion of a BRD is a really good move and I'll assume here that it has gigabit ethernet, N wifi and at least blue-tooth 3.

First the IBM PowerPC processor at 3.5Ghz is a bit different than a standard desktop/laptop processor.

Second it is amazing what you can do with that power when it only serves the purpose of playing proprietary software written to be optimised for that specific system.

I'd say it is a huge leap from the Wii in terms of power and if they retain full backwards compatibility all the way to the gamecube then Nintendo has a winner on its hands.

1331.5.2011 19:17

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Originally posted by flyness:
adeon R770 = Radeon 48xx series, @ 766mhz, that basically means a mildly overclocked Radeon 4870 (750mhz stock) most likely.

This type of machine would be approx 4 times as fast as 360 and PS3. It would be enough to knock out better visuals in 1080p resolutions than either existing HD console could do in just 720p. Thing is, it states 16mb eDRAM. That would only actually be enough for a 1280 x 720 framebuffer if that is its intended use. This might be an early indication that the target res of games is 720p, however 1GB of Vram would be more than enough for 1080p.

This is a fairly powerful machine. However expect even more from PS4/360 replacement. Already a Radeon 6870 is twice as fast as a Radeon 4870, and its not even high end.

Saying that, this means this machine will not be excessively expensive to manufacture- its plenty faster than the existing crop, but some way short of bleeding edge tech. It'll never come in at original wii prices, but its possible it might not be all that much more expensive than a PS3.

Gotta keep them prices down. It all depends on how the software is optimised for the power of the machine.

1431.5.2011 22:12

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I find it interesting that on that SPEC sheet it shows that Component will be allowed to do 1080p. We all know that 1080p is capable on component but is never utilized due to stupid HDCP bullcrap that has the industry frowning on letting an analog signal be allowed to display at 1080p. It would be nice to see Nintendo buck the system and allow it. I'm a believer in component video as it is faster switching and I find a very good picture comparable to HDMI.

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1531.5.2011 23:01

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Originally posted by mrp73:
I find it interesting that on that SPEC sheet it shows that Component will be allowed to do 1080p. We all know that 1080p is capable on component but is never utilized due to stupid HDCP bullcrap that has the industry frowning on letting an analog signal be allowed to display at 1080p. It would be nice to see Nintendo buck the system and allow it. I'm a believer in component video as it is faster switching and I find a very good picture comparable to HDMI.

1080p via component is quite noisy, though. PS3 will do it (even though they don't claim it's possible) except for video content and it looks kinda crappy.

1631.5.2011 23:46

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Wow...those are nice specs...I would say that the Wii 2 will be the best console of this generation; that is, the generation of the PS3 and 360...not the next generation.

One thing worries me...
"Custom Blu-ray Disc, up to 50 GB"
That might mean some kind of proprietary BS where you can't even watch a movie; they did something like that with the Wii and DVD.

171.6.2011 08:25

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@KillerBug, yeah no native video disk format would force you to buy off some kind of online download store.... ummm

181.6.2011 08:29

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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Wow...those are nice specs...I would say that the Wii 2 will be the best console of this generation; that is, the generation of the PS3 and 360...not the next generation.

One thing worries me...
"Custom Blu-ray Disc, up to 50 GB"
That might mean some kind of proprietary BS where you can't even watch a movie; they did something like that with the Wii and DVD.

Probably just a custom disc for the game titles like they have an encryption on it just like Sony does with their games. Seeing as the 50GB size is standard for a DL Blu-Ray I am thinking that is the case. I am pretty sure they call their game discs custom but it still plays standard blu-ray movies.

That being said Nintendo did lock out DVD playback on the Wii standard even though the unit was capable of it and those DVD discs for Wii Games were also Custom.

191.6.2011 10:40

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So long as Nintendo does away with the magic wand act, I may become a Nintendo gamer again. Never been a fan of M$, and $ONY pissed me off too much this last year.

We shall see...

201.6.2011 14:59

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Now. they should call it Revolution.

213.6.2011 02:19

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the only game i liked on the wii was mario kart on multiplayer (even better when drunk).the program isnt hardware,the problem is all the games seem to be over colourful and aimed at 5 year olds or women that think it will make them fit.

223.6.2011 11:45

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Originally posted by xyqo:
is it just me or are these specs unimpressive. I get a feeling I'll be able to build a pc with better specs for about the same price they'll be selling this.
Look at the main system RAM doesn't the six year old Xbox and five year old PS3 have as much? (I know its shared with video but come on) It should at least be twice as much if Nintendo are really gonna go with this as a long haul system.
But hey maybe I'm picking on nintendo cause the inclusion of a BRD is a really good move and I'll assume here that it has gigabit ethernet, N wifi and at least blue-tooth 3.

Yup, it's just you....

233.6.2011 13:55

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Do I like what I see? Yes. Just one thing though, how about online avatar/profile eh? While not everybody game online, but pretty much everybody like social interactions, like checking gaming stat, sharing tips/opinions, seeing friends online etc. Xbox got Live, PS3 got PSN, Nintendo needs something too.

Here's an idea, instead of achievements/trophies, Nintendo can use the coin system :)

243.6.2011 14:31

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Do I like what I see? Yes. Just one thing though, how about online avatar/profile eh? While not everybody game online, but pretty much everybody like social interactions, like checking gaming stat, sharing tips/opinions, seeing friends online etc. Xbox got Live, PS3 got PSN, Nintendo needs something too.

Here's an idea, instead of achievements/trophies, Nintendo can use the coin system :)

I 100% agree with that. Wii's biggest fail was their online gaming platform. Made it very hard to link up with people to play and lack of online titles to boot. I hope that is one thing they plan to improve.

253.6.2011 16:50

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Is nice is good but is not for me I'm loyal XB360 and Halo ,GoW and etc... gamer and i will wait for the XBOX next generation no matter if is 1st,2nd or 3rd.

263.6.2011 17:05

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Originally posted by voyager:
Is nice is good but is not for me I'm loyal XB360 and Halo ,GoW and etc... gamer and i will wait for the XBOX next generation no matter if is 1st,2nd or 3rd.

I wonder what the next color of death will be...

273.6.2011 17:10

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i find it hard to believe that Sony will allow a console to use blue ray disc as that could hit ps3 sales...if they have bet they are making them pay alot for it lol....

283.6.2011 17:30

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Originally posted by sasrob:
i find it hard to believe that Sony will allow a console to use blue ray disc as that could hit ps3 sales...if they have bet they are making them pay alot for it lol....

It's not Sony's to say! Sony is only one of a dozen companies involved in the creation of Blu-Ray.

293.6.2011 17:55

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Originally posted by NHS2008:

Originally posted by voyager:
Is nice is good but is not for me I'm loyal XB360 and Halo ,GoW and etc... gamer and i will wait for the XBOX next generation no matter if is 1st,2nd or 3rd.
I wonder what the next color of death will be...

Will be Red like hell

303.6.2011 23:33

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Originally posted by sasrob:
i find it hard to believe that Sony will allow a console to use blue ray disc as that could hit ps3 sales...if they have bet they are making them pay alot for it lol....

Aside from Sony not being the sole creator of Blu-Ray and doesn't have all the decision power if Sony even tried to block Nintendo or any other company from licensing Blu-Ray that is the very definition of AntiCompetitive Business Practice and would result in a lawsuit.

313.6.2011 23:33

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Originally posted by sasrob:
i find it hard to believe that Sony will allow a console to use blue ray disc as that could hit ps3 sales...if they have bet they are making them pay alot for it lol....

323.6.2011 23:49

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Originally posted by NHS2008:

Originally posted by voyager:
Is nice is good but is not for me I'm loyal XB360 and Halo ,GoW and etc... gamer and i will wait for the XBOX next generation no matter if is 1st,2nd or 3rd.
I wonder what the next color of death will be...

Piss yellow, calling it now.

334.6.2011 04:07

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Originally posted by NHS2008:

Originally posted by voyager:
Is nice is good but is not for me I'm loyal XB360 and Halo ,GoW and etc... gamer and i will wait for the XBOX next generation no matter if is 1st,2nd or 3rd.
I wonder what the next color of death will be...

they should just put an lcd screen on it with a picture of a grim reaper pointing his finger when it dies.

344.6.2011 10:27

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Halo is pretty cool the preference is waranted if you are going to choose one or the other.

Maybe the Grim Reaper with Bill Gates face on him. :)

354.6.2011 14:08

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Originally posted by sasrob:
i find it hard to believe that Sony will allow a console to use blue ray disc as that could hit ps3 sales...if they have bet they are making them pay alot for it lol....

Sony probably very happy with this decision as it will (likely) lead to an increase in Blu-ray movie sales.

364.6.2011 14:17

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That's a very good point. Universal, Sony, MGM, and the WB will all benifit from this.

374.6.2011 14:25

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
That's a very good point. Universal, Sony, MGM, and the WB will all benifit from this.

That point of course, is based on the assumption that the new Wii will be a hit with consumers, which of course could prove to be false. But then again, can't remember last time Nintendo had a true "dud"... (maybe Gamecube?)

384.6.2011 14:38

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Even if it does have BD Gaming that doesn't mean it will actually support BD Movie Playback. Just look at the current Wii since it has DVD but doesn't support DVD Movie playback.

394.6.2011 16:39

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Originally posted by Oner:
Even if it does have BD Gaming that doesn't mean it will actually support BD Movie Playback. Just look at the current Wii since it has DVD but doesn't support DVD Movie playback.

Good point, when I first discovered that my Wii can't play dvds, I was a bit shocked, I thought it was a given... We can only reasonably assume that the new Nintendo console (not calling it Wii 2 since that might upset some members) might play BDs (and if it can do that, I don't see why not 3D BDs as well :).

404.6.2011 19:42

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Quote:
Media:
Custom Blu-ray Disc, up to 50 GB

somehow i get the feeling do to this statement in the specs. it will not support BD playback.

414.6.2011 21:17

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Originally posted by DXR88:

Quote:
Media:
Custom Blu-ray Disc, up to 50 GB
somehow i get the feeling do to this statement in the specs. it will not support BD playback.

That would imply it is capable of playing movies more than not!

425.6.2011 09:18

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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:

Originally posted by NHS2008:

Originally posted by voyager:
Is nice is good but is not for me I'm loyal XB360 and Halo ,GoW and etc... gamer and i will wait for the XBOX next generation no matter if is 1st,2nd or 3rd.
I wonder what the next color of death will be...
they should just put an lcd screen on it with a picture of a grim reaper pointing his finger when it dies.

This is a very good name for the next Xbox ,The Green Reaper;this console will take all the souls of gamers not to "die" just to live forever.Xbox is here to stay.

438.6.2011 21:11

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Originally posted by xyqo:
is it just me or are these specs unimpressive. I get a feeling I'll be able to build a pc with better specs for about the same price they'll be selling this.
Look at the main system RAM doesn't the six year old Xbox and five year old PS3 have as much? .

PS3 has a single 3.2 core that likes to pretend it's 8 separate ones, as opposed to four separate 3.5.
The video and core RAM for the PS3 is 256 a piece, compared to 1gb and 512 respectively for the Wii U.

Much MUCH faster.

448.6.2011 23:38

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What? Pretend?? Really???

I like to pretend I'm 8 people as opposed to truly one person? Works for me.... LOL

459.6.2011 01:00

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
What? Pretend?? Really???

I like to pretend I'm 8 people as opposed to truly one person? Works for me.... LOL

Well "pretend" might be the wrong word but he's right the PS3 only has 1 core processor and 7 SPEs, so its certainly not a "real" 8-core processor.

469.6.2011 01:38

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I get it he is talking about a RISC CPU which is a different beast but still multi-threads so your right pretend wouldn't be proper.

Thanks DVDBack23 that makes much more sense now.

4714.6.2011 18:05

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Quote:
Compatible with 7 cm Nintendo GameCube Game Disc and 12 cm Wii Optical Disc

Sigh... new info posted over at http://e3.nintendo.com/hw/#/about does not list any info about gamecube compat.

I have a feeling that gamecube compat has been dropped.

4814.6.2011 18:36

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Originally posted by jam_k:

Quote:
Compatible with 7 cm Nintendo GameCube Game Disc and 12 cm Wii Optical Disc
Sigh... new info posted over at http://e3.nintendo.com/hw/#/about does not list any info about gamecube compat.

I have a feeling that gamecube compat has been dropped.

It does list the controllers though and the Wii Classic controller is listed so it will be able to play Gamecube games, I would guess otherwise why carry that contoller.

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4915.6.2011 09:13

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There's no point stressing over Wii U will play GameCube games or not. Honestly, I don't think people even care the Wii can play GC games. If it does, great, if it doesn't who cares :)

The real gold mine is releasing remastered HD collection :) So maybe stop the BC BC does the trick?

5015.6.2011 12:01

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Some of the Gamecube games are better than the newer stuff they have out now so that is why there is concern for backwards compatability.

5115.6.2011 13:13

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

It does list the controllers though and the Wii Classic controller is listed so it will be able to play Gamecube games, I would guess otherwise why carry that contoller.

Hmm... when I read it (and just now reread it) it only lists the classic and classic pro, not the gamecube controllers.

the classic controllers cannot be used for gamecube games, however a gamecube controller can be used as a classic controller.

i'm now near certain that GC comapt will be dropped. When I first read this article I was excited that Nintendo kept the compat and gave em props for it...

However, I do see the WiiU supporting GC games in the form of VC DLs... they will re-release the better stuff on VC so we can all pay for it again... : ( I don't see the WiiU supporting GC discs and controllers...

jam out

5215.6.2011 13:31

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Ah that makes sense, thanks Jam_k. GC controllers work as Classic controllers, but not the other way around. I just read that the Wii U will not play dvd/bd, so much for 3D, lol.

5315.6.2011 13:36

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Originally posted by jam_k:

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

It does list the controllers though and the Wii Classic controller is listed so it will be able to play Gamecube games, I would guess otherwise why carry that contoller.
Hmm... when I read it (and just now reread it) it only lists the classic and classic pro, not the gamecube controllers.

the classic controllers cannot be used for gamecube games, however a gamecube controller can be used as a classic controller.

i'm now near certain that GC comapt will be dropped. When I first read this article I was excited that Nintendo kept the compat and gave em props for it...

However, I do see the WiiU supporting GC games in the form of VC DLs... they will re-release the better stuff on VC so we can all pay for it again... : ( I don't see the WiiU supporting GC discs and controllers...

jam out

Your right I got confused with the Classic controller. But it does seem odd that it wouldn't be carried over as that is the one good thing Nintendo does and is good at, backwards compatability, and as you know many Nintendo fans like their old games so let's just hope it is an over sight.

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