Okay, so my Xbox gets hotter than Pop-Tart fresh out of the toaster, but IT STILL WORKS and I have 5 friends who own one and have never had issues, many of them launch consoles (including mine.) So needless to say, it irks me when someone runs their mouth about problems. The same people say that "I love the 360 owners just because their consoles end up breaking they have to come on here and try to justify not owning a PS3" when in reality, most of you that are bashing 360 don't own one and have no concept as to what the "rings" or any other "failure" looks like.

Zippy said it best about the PS3's quality of games not owning up to the price of the system. All you can do with the PS3 is watch an expensive Blu-Ray movie (more Sony shrill) or sit on your butt and wait for the "killer app" Metal Gear 4 to land on PS3. 360 owners will just wait a few extra months until Metal Gear comes to Xbox, something they can afford to do because there will actually be games for them to play in the interim.

Yeah, I know MGS4 is "exclusive", I've read all the articles that go either way on the story, but for all the R&D money being sunk into developing MGS4, do you really believe it won't pop up on another console? That's like believing Santa eats the cookies you leave out for him on Christmas Eve.

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Okay, so my Xbox gets hotter than Pop-Tart fresh out of the toaster, but IT STILL WORKS and I have 5 friends who own one and have never had issues, many of them launch consoles (including mine.) So needless to say, it irks me when someone runs their mouth about problems. The same people say that "I love the 360 owners just because their consoles end up breaking they have to come on here and try to justify not owning a PS3" when in reality, most of you that are bashing 360 don't own one and have no concept as to what the "rings" or any other "failure" looks like.

Zippy said it best about the PS3's quality of games not owning up to the price of the system. All you can do with the PS3 is watch an expensive Blu-Ray movie (more Sony shrill) or sit on your butt and wait for the "killer app" Metal Gear 4 to land on PS3. 360 owners will just wait a few extra months until Metal Gear comes to Xbox, something they can afford to do because there will actually be games for them to play in the interim.

Yeah, I know MGS4 is "exclusive", I've read all the articles that go either way on the story, but for all the R&D money being sunk into developing MGS4, do you really believe it won't pop up on another console? That's like believing Santa eats the cookies you leave out for him on Christmas Eve.

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Once again this thread is not about the games its about the hardware durability, im not questioning the xbox does have better games atm, hell its been out longer, if i wanted a 360 i could easily walk to a shop right now and buy one, but with a 30% fail rate I think i will sit tight with my ps3 and see next year if its worth me picking up the xbox. I dont try and diss xbox its a great system and once they iron out the bugs i will prob buy one.

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Okay, so my Xbox gets hotter than Pop-Tart fresh out of the toaster, but IT STILL WORKS and I have 5 friends who own one and have never had issues, many of them launch consoles (including mine.) So needless to say, it irks me when someone runs their mouth about problems. The same people say that "I love the 360 owners just because their consoles end up breaking they have to come on here and try to justify not owning a PS3" when in reality, most of you that are bashing 360 don't own one and have no concept as to what the "rings" or any other "failure" looks like.

Zippy said it best about the PS3's quality of games not owning up to the price of the system. All you can do with the PS3 is watch an expensive Blu-Ray movie (more Sony shrill) or sit on your butt and wait for the "killer app" Metal Gear 4 to land on PS3. 360 owners will just wait a few extra months until Metal Gear comes to Xbox, something they can afford to do because there will actually be games for them to play in the interim.

Yeah, I know MGS4 is "exclusive", I've read all the articles that go either way on the story, but for all the R&D money being sunk into developing MGS4, do you really believe it won't pop up on another console? That's like believing Santa eats the cookies you leave out for him on Christmas Eve.

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Once again this thread is not about the games its about the hardware durability, im not questioning the xbox does have better games atm, hell its been out longer, if i wanted a 360 i could easily walk to a shop right now and buy one, but with a 30% fail rate I think i will sit tight with my ps3 and see next year if its worth me picking up the xbox. I dont try and diss xbox its a great system and once they iron out the bugs i will prob buy one.

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The issue with the PS2 lens was due to it being dirty. I have opened plenty and fixed the issue and it was due to all kinds of dirty and hair and whatever can get caught in the fan and lens. You cant blame any company for your own personal environment. Thats like sitting your 360 in front of a heater then calling M$ saying they sold you a piece of poopie doo.

I think we all can agree that the 360 would excel given the freezer test :-P

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I think we all can agree that the 360 would excel given the freezer test :-P

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But it would melt all the ice in the freezer....

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I think we all can agree that the 360 would excel given the freezer test :-P

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But it would melt all the ice in the freezer....

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Then what would we have to keep the beer cold?

Sorry wrong quote earlier i meant to quote Zippy

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the thing is they have no specifics of the test.

Really sony I know you read this and if you do I have one thing too say put cameras in a house after 6m months 1 dog 1 cat and 2 kids 2 and 4 and then you will have th environment too work with then give it too the people and see what happens with pet hair high temp fan no air and dog and cat hair if any ony can prove this test wrong do it after they mad they piece of crap mini PS2 I lost there respect and really want too wait too the forth generation, I loved nes and snes and psx hated nin64 thats when sony got me psx was me.

you do all realize all the 3rd gen systems were created 3 years before they came out so that means take off 2 years from the release thats when they realeased the realease date of the system.

please excuse me I am ventening and sorry.

I am a Nin child well maybe atari 2600 but don't know what age for what system for to be a child of that system does anyone I would like too know was 11 when I first got 2600 in 1982 so yes I am 26 and a video game person.

I have had a few to drink but really I would like too know what you think.

wolf1 on yahoo answers and you can't give me emails and messages but you can respond too my post.

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No offence, but it's not sonys fault if your kids break it, or your dogs hair get in it. Accept some responsibility yourself. Eg clean it if it's getting clogged with hairs.

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yes we do clean the hair and stuff off it but if you know about cat hair and dog hair once the hair is in the house it will not go away even if you vacumm everyday.

I was just trying too say it should have had more details.

Must say my PS3 never shuts off. No problems yet, have had it since Feb.

My PS2 been working since 2001 never died, just sold it and 7 old games for 100 bucks.

Should have kept it and brought the PS2 to work.

Just wait, the games will come for the PS3, xBox games sucked for most of the first year to.

sorta reminds me of the G4tv console drop test. lol @ the ps2

I'm sure a lot of people remember me. I've posted on Afterdawn.com a lot within the past couple of months

I own both consoles (PS3 & Xbox360). My Xbox360 has broken down (again!) I requested they replace it with one of the new 360's that're being shipped to retail stores (the Premium one's come with HDMI and upgraded heatsink.) I just shipped it back via UPS so we'll see what happends.

Even though I have a PS3, gaming just isn't the same without my 360. I'm such a huge lover of online gameplay that my PS3 just doesn't stack up. Hopefully Sony will change that in 2008-2009. Sad thing is, I paid for the console in 2006 and so far the only game worthy of playing is Ninja Gaiden: Sigma which came out on Xbox years ago. And yes, it's the same game (with all the Hurricane Packs slapped in) with a little visual upgrade. But hey, it's a great game either way.

I haven't had any problems with my PS3 other than having no games to play on it. All the games that are JUST NOW coming out for the PS3 have been out for Xbox last year and they look and play the same so why buy 'em? I did, however, buy the movie 300 on Blu-Ray 'cause I couldn't find the HD-DVD version anywhere (BestBuy/Target/WalMart/etc...). I plan on purchasing the HD-DVD player for my 360 at some point. I like that it has both formats (Hi-Def and regular DVD version) on the same disc. That way I can watch it anywhere in my home.

And honestly, it's still kinda weird that the PS3's controller has no rumble and that once the battery decides to stop charging, I'll have to buy another controller 'cause the batteries aren't replaceable like they are on the 360.

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The batteries are replaceable. Read you manual. Step by step guide on how to replace the battery if it won’t charge anymore.

Perhaps MS should take a few lessons from Sony when it comes to engineering.

as for the 'poor' lineup of PS3 titles, it has more interesting games than the 360 in less than half the same time, at least for my taste in gaming. So far:
Xbox360:
- Trusty Bell - Chopin no Yume
- Blue Dragon
- Bioshock

PS3:
- Resistance - fall of man
- Minna no Golf 5
- Ninja Gaiden Sigma
- Tekken 5
- Folk's Soul

See? All this talk about game lineups is very relative and depends on the tastes of each gamer.

But at least I know the PS3 won't die on my like the 360 does on 1/3 of it's owners.

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Perhaps MS should take a few lessons from Sony when it comes to engineering.

as for the 'poor' lineup of PS3 titles, it has more interesting games than the 360 in less than half the same time, at least for my taste in gaming. So far:
Xbox360:
- Trusty Bell - Chopin no Yume
- Blue Dragon
- Bioshock

PS3:
- Resistance - fall of man
- Minna no Golf 5
- Ninja Gaiden Sigma
- Tekken 5
- Folk's Soul

See? All this talk about game lineups is very relative and depends on the tastes of each gamer.

But at least I know the PS3 won't die on my like the 360 does on 1/3 of it's owners.

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Haha! I'm not sure which country you're from. I've never heard of "Folk's Soul or Trusty Bell?" From what I've read (from various publications) Tekken 5 looks and plays better on the 360 and it has online multiplayer capabilities, something the PS3 version doesn't have. Also, Blue Dragon is garbage. It's something Microsoft added to please Japan, why? I don't know. It's not like Japan is capable of buying 10 million consoles. USA and Europe are the largest buyers of foreign goods. I have Resistance: Fall of Man and it's nothing compared to GEARS OF WAR. Graphically or playability wise, it just doesn't stand up. Bio Shock looks interesting. The demo is available for download via xbox live. Xbox live is sooooo much better than Sony's online service. They only have Sony Pictures trailers for download and very minimal about of game demo's for download.

It's obvious you only have a PS3 and probably own a PS2. Don't get me wrong, they're both great consoles but seeing how I've had the opportunity to own both consoles, even though my 360 is in the shop being repaired (haha!) it wins hands with regards to the cohesiveness & playability of the xbox360.

Sony built a badd-ass sports car with no fuel to drive it. Sure it looks great, all shiny and black with cute bells and whistles but all it can do is sit in the garage and wait 'til 2008-2009 when fuel (i.e. better games) arrive.

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It's not like Japan is capable of buying 10 million consoles.

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Actually your wrong Japan & U.S. is the two biggest gaming market til PS2 was born.But Eur sales of the PS2 didn't get strong until the back end of PS2 life cycle.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4640

Sony sold 10 million PS2 in Japan in 2 years.

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I have Resistance: Fall of Man and it's nothing compared to GEARS OF WAR. Graphically or playability wise, it just doesn't stand up

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Graphically i would say better but game play no way R.F.O.M got better reviews in Gaming mags because of its playability.I have played both & i can say that R.F.O.M is smoother than G.O.W. is it a better game? i would say its not but G.O.W isn't that much better than R.F.O.M.I wonder how many 360 fans feel cheated knowing that the full version of G.O.W is coming to PC this Nov.

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Xbox live is sooooo much better than Sony's online service. They only have Sony Pictures trailers for download and very minimal about of game demo's for download.

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A bit premature don't you think because 360 fans was bitching & moaning this time last year when LIVE sucked for 7 or 8 months.Plus why would anyone have a issue with PSN when they're not paying for anything.Plus HOME is coming this fall which i think was one of the best idea from Sony.

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It's obvious you only have a PS3 and probably own a PS2. Don't get me wrong, they're both great consoles but seeing how I've had the opportunity to own both consoles, even though my 360 is in the shop being repaired (haha!) it wins hands with regards to the cohesiveness & playability of the xbox360.

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I have owned both consoles i can say that the 360 is a good console for now but the future doesn't looked promising to the 360.There are issues that the 360 will require owner to have a HD in future gaming.

Microsoft announced on Monday that it would soon allow MMO developers to require hard drive space when playing games on Xbox 360 despite the console maker's previous denial of such claims.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=129068

There is also the issues with 360 having a dvd-rom drive.

Epic president Mark Rein said on Tuesday that Unreal Tournament 3 for Xbox 360 will likely have less game content than its PS3 counterpart due to Microsoft's limiting disc size.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=129288

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27675

I would say that the 360 future is looking real dim right now.I think we have seen the Best from M$.

The 360 is the HD console to own right now with the games that are available and the online experience is second to none.
The PS3 will be the HD console to own late next year or even 09 when it wil be cheaper to buy,more quality games that might use the CELL and the Blu-Ray disk to the full....one hopes!

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It's not like Japan is capable of buying 10 million consoles.

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Actually your wrong Japan & U.S. is the two biggest gaming market til PS2 was born.But Eur sales of the PS2 didn't get strong until the back end of PS2 life cycle.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4640

Sony sold 10 million PS2 in Japan in 2 years.

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I have Resistance: Fall of Man and it's nothing compared to GEARS OF WAR. Graphically or playability wise, it just doesn't stand up

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Graphically i would say better but game play no way R.F.O.M got better reviews in Gaming mags because of its playability.I have played both & i can say that R.F.O.M is smoother than G.O.W. is it a better game? i would say its not but G.O.W isn't that much better than R.F.O.M.I wonder how many 360 fans feel cheated knowing that the full version of G.O.W is coming to PC this Nov.

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Xbox live is sooooo much better than Sony's online service. They only have Sony Pictures trailers for download and very minimal about of game demo's for download.

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A bit premature don't you think because 360 fans was bitching & moaning this time last year when LIVE sucked for 7 or 8 months.Plus why would anyone have a issue with PSN when they're not paying for anything.Plus HOME is coming this fall which i think was one of the best idea from Sony.

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It's obvious you only have a PS3 and probably own a PS2. Don't get me wrong, they're both great consoles but seeing how I've had the opportunity to own both consoles, even though my 360 is in the shop being repaired (haha!) it wins hands with regards to the cohesiveness & playability of the xbox360.

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I have owned both consoles i can say that the 360 is a good console for now but the future doesn't looked promising to the 360.There are issues that the 360 will require owner to have a HD in future gaming.

Microsoft announced on Monday that it would soon allow MMO developers to require hard drive space when playing games on Xbox 360 despite the console maker's previous denial of such claims.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=129068

There is also the issues with 360 having a dvd-rom drive.

Epic president Mark Rein said on Tuesday that Unreal Tournament 3 for Xbox 360 will likely have less game content than its PS3 counterpart due to Microsoft's limiting disc size.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=129288

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27675

I would say that the 360 future is looking real dim right now.I think we have seen the Best from M$.

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Hey NexGen76,

I like how you broke down my debate with several slick remarks and biased websites (haha!)

Seriously though, if Resistance was even remarkably close, why didn't it even win at leaste 2 awards? GEARS won so many awards from so many different affiliations it's ridiculous.

Secondly, the diffence in game content is going to be marginal. Meaning, sure, the Blu-Ray disc offers more storage space, but not for game content but CG animations and that's about it.

As far as the new content for GEARS coming to PC. It was created for the PC with the new 10 series graphics card. Also, the new content is for Microsoft 'cause they want to increase PC sales (which are in a slump 'cause of the new PS3 & Xbox360, not to mention the Wii too).

Oh, you mention Sony's new "Home?" I'm sorry bro, but that $#!^'s gonna be silly. What? I get to make my own condo and ask my friends to check it out? So what?

Do you have an Xbox360? If not, go buy one. They're cheaper now. Pimp it out and actually GIVE IT A CHANCE. Then compare it to your PS3. I promise, you'll understand then. Until then, you're just a Sony Fan Boy blowing your bugle horn!!

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You gotta love this guy nexgen76 you are a m$ hater.i have seen some of your anti m$ post all over this place and it is really your choice to love sony but some of us like M$ is that ok with you.and just for the record gears of war won 6 awards.at G phoria and it sold more being that its more than 10 million 360s out there and only 4.5 million ps3s.no doubt the games for the ps3 will get better.this should be on hell of a console war sit back and enjoy the ride and stop bashing the 360 its a good console.

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Secondly, the diffence in game content is going to be marginal. Meaning, sure, the Blu-Ray disc offers more storage space, but not for game content but CG animations and that's about it.

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Oh really i guess you didn't read the link did you? Let me refresh you.

Epic president Mark Rein said on Tuesday that Unreal Tournament 3 for Xbox 360 will likely have less game content than its PS3 counterpart due to Microsoft's limiting disc size.

Thats the guy behind G.O.W. telling you that the whole game not going to fix your 360.Read the link because thats not a rumor it coming st8 from his mouth not someone else.Also the size of Game isn't content only Heavenly Sword audio which is said to be the best in any game ever made take up 10gigs alone.Because Blu-Ray offer more space don't mean more content.But it does mean that game dev's can make better games & have more room for better ideas for gaming without restriction.

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You gotta love this guy nexgen76 you are a m$ hater.i have seen some of your anti m$ post all over this place and it is really your choice to love sony but some of us like M$ is that ok with you.and just for the record gears of war won 6 awards.at G phoria and it sold more being that its more than 10 million 360s out there and only 4.5 million ps3s.no doubt the games for the ps3 will get better.this should be on hell of a console war sit back and enjoy the ride and stop bashing the 360 its a good console.

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You can't read can you i never bash the 360 on any tread i have wrote on this site.I have alot of doubts about the system but i have never Bash it.

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I have owned both consoles i can say that the 360 is a good console for now but the future doesn't looked promising to the 360

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That looks like i really bashed the 360 don't it.Remember reading is fundamental.

This is NON-news.


Every product ever sold counts as an "independent stress test for durability."

its nice to see vitriol coming from fan boys...(in this case kishan73 and saltynuts)

NexGen76 only questions the games that will be on the system (if you can't tell the 360 has mostly PC style games you need...a lot of help...) and he questions the fialrate he dose not like such a high fail rate no one should and no open should defend it,altho I would surmise the "low" price of the 360 is the reason for its fail rate....

I for one see the PS3 as bloated and poorly priced,made even(if there was a real 300$ core unit I would not be as annoyed)

still the potential of the PS3 is in doubt to how well it can do,I think it can do well but only in the long run and for now its littered with poorly optimized games.

still when the 64nm chips come in for the 360 I will get that next year and wait till 09 to worry abotu a PS3 thats when price and games will be at tis best, for now I wont 2 wiis ^_~.

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No Zippy you are wrong iam not a fanboy and no ps3 basher.i just enjoy playing cool games and if the 360 has the games thats where iam but on the flip side if the ps3 had the games then thats for me. so you see console fanboy no.fan of great games yes.i really dont need a machine that can fight in iraq and fly jets just play games.

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No Zippy you are wrong iam not a fanboy and no ps3 basher.i just enjoy playing cool games and if the 360 has the games thats where iam but on the flip side if the ps3 had the games then thats for me. so you see console fanboy no.fan of great games yes.i really dont need a machine that can fight in iraq and fly jets just play games.

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Then instead of sounding like a fanboy when you diss one side write a couple more sentanaces stating why they all suck or not :P

the PS3 is to bloated and to costly games that work well on it are far every other game on it,newer games will sue the system ebtter but tis still 15 months off from being in a palce where I would put 400 to it.

I will get a 360 sometime next year when the 64nm chips are in them.

the wii I want this year >> but i dun think I can afford it >>

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So could i put this in antartica and then still paly it. lol :) It's good to see for the price it is set at it is a durable machine.

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So could i put this in antartica and then still paly it. lol :) It's good to see for the price it is set at it is a durable machine.

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the 360 is a easy bake oven, antartica would be great for it Argentina less so :P

I own an XBOX 360, and the three rings of death are pretty self-explanatory: when you have the three rings, your system won't work. You don't have to own a 360 to comprehend that fact. I'm glad that this issue has been brought out in the open. Microsoft should be exposed to the world for the shoddy system they've constructed, and if that means going into to detail about the PS3's superior durability, so be it. I can still remember a time when PS2's weren't particularly reliable either.