Well here's how to pull a fast one.....'profile 1.1' is supposed to be mandatory from Oct 2007.

Neither of these players are profile 1.1 compliant - talk about selling built-in obsolescense to people.
I wonder how happy people will be to know that if they buy these they'll miss many of those supposedly vital high def extras?

According to it's won manual the S300 can't even play blank BD -R or BD -RE's.

In the high tech fast moving world we live in, only an idiot or someone with cash to burn would buy first generation anything at those prices...wait 6 months and buy it at half the price or wait six months more and get a blu ray recorder model at the same price the player will originally sell at.

I suppose what i'm really trying to say is, anyone really interested in blu ray for its HD and massive storage capacity will surely wait for a blu ray recorder not a player ?

This is probably aimed more towards the sheeple and not the well informed consumer.

cheapest blu-ray player I've seen online is 320 pounds.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Well here's how to pull a fast one.....'profile 1.1' is supposed to be mandatory from Oct 2007.

Neither of these players are profile 1.1 compliant - talk about selling built-in obsolescense to people.
I wonder how happy people will be to know that if they buy these they'll miss many of those supposedly vital high def extras?

According to it's won manual the S300 can't even play blank BD -R or BD -RE's.

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Well that's just sony all over, selling incompatible products packed with DRM to make it even less compatible at extortionate prices!

no hdmi 1.3 for the cheaper model, and even though hdmi is capable of the multi sync sony have made it BRAVIA TheatreSync only, talk about monopolising.

there is dvd-r -rw +r +rw but no support for cdr's or cdrw and no support for bd-r

Q. will there be an rj45 connector on this model for those all important BD+ phone home abilities and "security" updates?

http://www.the-blu-ray-store.com/blurayplayeroverview.html

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Well here's how to pull a fast one.....'profile 1.1' is supposed to be mandatory from Oct 2007.

Neither of these players are profile 1.1 compliant - talk about selling built-in obsolescense to people.
I wonder how happy people will be to know that if they buy these they'll miss many of those supposedly vital high def extras?

According to it's won manual the S300 can't even play blank BD -R or BD -RE's.

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Quick question about all this profile 1/1.1/2 stuff, will newer movies that have features that require a newer profile version not play at all on older players? If so then I can see the whole updating profile thing as a huge problem, if it only stops the older player users from using the newer features then does it really matter? they never exactly had them in the first place did they? so how can you miss what you never had. Its the same with any product really, make a perfect first model and theres no incentive to buy another one ever again because your current on "does everything". Is a rather common thing, and in their eyes not doubt a "good" business decision.

Also anyone got a rough conversion of 599 Euros to something else, just so I can compare to other things...

£411 about, save your money and wait till all the fuss has calmed down

The Blu-ray 'profile 1.1' saga rolls on and just gets sillier & sillier.

Now they are delaying it's mandatory imposition until Nov......and rushing out as many non-profile 1.1 compliant machines as they can in the meantime.
Talk about cheating the customer.

I can't help wondering if all those supposedly advanced Blu-ray features (many of which rely completely on the player being 'profile 1.1' compliant) that they're using to advertise Blu-ray with are now just sheer out-right misrepresentation and false advertising.
It's pretty dishonest however you look at it.

So that's not one 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray player on the market now
or likely to be for months
(what's the bets they miss Nov too?).

I see the $2000 Denon has been delayed until at least Q2 2008 and now it turns out that the Samsung dual format player (which was claimed as 'profile 1.1' compliant) is now quoted in it's German specs as 'profile 1.0'.

See here - Samsungs Press release for IFA says the price is 999euros

(£689/$1378US)

http://presse.samsung.de/downloads/i...ektronik. zip

Sounds impressive and i have come up with this conclusion that i will buy a ps3 as my blu-ray player amd then i will be a HD DVD standalone player to cover my high definition needs.