HD DVD talks big game at CEDIA

It's about time HD-DVD made some noise over Blu-Ray.BIG it UP!
All I ever seem to hear from Blu-Ray is how they've won and HD-DVD will be dead within 18 months.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT....

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Acer part of the BDA also so where is the advantage ? there isn't this is old new from Acer they join BDA a week ago so welcome a board HD-DVD.

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- Actually Acer have 3 models with HD DVD drives included in them out right now, they have in fact been making HD DVD notepad/laptops for some time.
They have no equivalent Blu-ray products yet.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Pure speculation from HD-DVD let us know when you do have those numbers not give us estimates about what you hope from the future.By that time after the holidays PS3 could be at 12 million sold.Lets not forget that Blu-Ray comes in notebooks also.

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- 12 million?
Yeah right. As if.
......and anyways we know that relatively speaking PS3s just don't shift many Blu-ray movies, bring it on.
I'm looking forward to the (real) numbers (they should make amusing reading).

Anyway you could just use the graph Sony themselves revealed at CEDIA yesterday (tellingly using dates only to mid may 2007......we already know from Amazon that HD DVD sales have been rising - even in Japan - and closing on BD sales numbers).
Talk about unstable and unimpressive.

Sony inadvertently reveals declining Blu-ray sales
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/11012.cfm

hughjars.. why do you hate Sony so much? What did they do to make you so angry?

Why can't we all just get along. Blu-ray and hd dvd should merge and make everyone happy. Only in a utopian society.

I would be interested to see how many posts are contributed to this format war or AD would be nothing more than just "helping people with their computer problems"

I can't personally say much because Im not a first gen buyer. I'm like 80 percent of all those who are waiting for the real thing.

Originally posted by m3_chris:

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hughjars.. why do you hate Sony so much? What did they do to make you so angry?

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- LMAO.

(trying to take this OT?)

Yeah, of course.

Pointing out reality is (to the Sony/PS3/BD fanclub) "hate".

It can only be "hate" to counter the huge volumes of half-truth and outright lies (invariably slamming HD DVD) that the BD side have been spewing out in this so-called 'format war'?

It must only be "hate" to recognise the problems Blu-ray's additional (compared to HD DVD) DRM (particularly BD+) is going to cause so many people and the attack on the sharing community that Blu-ray embodies.

It seems you think it's "hate" to comment on the built-in obsolescense the current 'profile 1.0' Blu-ray players on sale atm all have.

It would appear that it's "hate" (to you) to comment on the anti-consumer intent behind the entire Blu-ray project
(specifically designed to give 'the industry' back the profit margins they used to enjoy when DVD first appeared).

Naaaaa, some of you guys can go along with your loopy ideas of 'love' or 'hate' for a CE corperation if you like, I'll weight each new format on it's merits and comment on it as I see fit.

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Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Pure speculation from HD-DVD let us know when you do have those numbers not give us estimates about what you hope from the future.By that time after the holidays PS3 could be at 12 million sold.Lets not forget that Blu-Ray comes in notebooks also.

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- 12 million?
Yeah right. As if.
......and anyways we know that relatively speaking PS3s just don't shift many Blu-ray movies, bring it on.
I'm looking forward to the (real) numbers (they should make amusing reading).

Anyway you could just use the graph Sony themselves revealed at CEDIA yesterday (tellingly using dates only to mid may 2007......we already know from Amazon that HD DVD sales have been rising - even in Japan - and closing on BD sales numbers).
Talk about unstable and unimpressive.

Sony inadvertently reveals declining Blu-ray sales
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/11012.cfm

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Use the new dynamic graphs and you'll see after the Amazon HD disk sale, HD-DVD has drop straight back to it's 30% again, Blu-Ray has kept it's 60% market share.

There was 6.6million sold as said by Sony about 2 months ago, I'd say that's gone up to 7 million now.

People buy Blu-Rays for their PS3's some places only sell the PS3 as a blu-ray player they don't stock games as they aren't interested in the games look around the high end video shops.

We have 10 Blu-Rays here with the PS3, I've seen some people with over 100Blu-rays and only own a PS3.

PS3 is a really good Blu-ray player, HD video + 7.1 surround sound 174khrz audio output.

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Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Pure speculation from HD-DVD let us know when you do have those numbers not give us estimates about what you hope from the future.By that time after the holidays PS3 could be at 12 million sold.Lets not forget that Blu-Ray comes in notebooks also.

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- 12 million?
Yeah right. As if.
......and anyways we know that relatively speaking PS3s just don't shift many Blu-ray movies, bring it on.
I'm looking forward to the (real) numbers (they should make amusing reading).

Anyway you could just use the graph Sony themselves revealed at CEDIA yesterday (tellingly using dates only to mid may 2007......we already know from Amazon that HD DVD sales have been rising - even in Japan - and closing on BD sales numbers).
Talk about unstable and unimpressive.

Sony inadvertently reveals declining Blu-ray sales
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/11012.cfm

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Use the new dynamic graphs and you'll see after the Amazon HD disk sale, HD-DVD has drop straight back to it's 30% again, Blu-Ray has kept it's 60% market share.

There was 6.6million sold as said by Sony about 2 months ago, I'd say that's gone up to 7 million now.

People buy Blu-Rays for their PS3's some places only sell the PS3 as a blu-ray player they don't stock games as they aren't interested in the games look around the high end video shops.

We have 10 Blu-Rays here with the PS3, I've seen some people with over 100Blu-rays and only own a PS3.

PS3 is a really good Blu-ray player, HD video + 7.1 surround sound 174khrz audio output.

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Great point the PS3 is a multimedia console & is a high end BD player but also has a DVD up scaler(firmware 1.90) thats better than some DVD standalone up scaler on the market right now.Let not forget that you can put your audio on there also & does a great job of up scaling your music tracks to AAC,MP3,or ATRAC which ever you choose.There are a lot of reason why someone would invest there money into a PS3 before buying a standalone...I own 56 BD titles & still growing & have no interest in buying a standalone from BD until there standalone prices are really cheap.

So how much for the drive parts itself if a whole unit is 200,the is it reasonable MS could toss a HDVD drive into a 360 elite and sale it for the same price in the coming 2 years?

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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So how much for the drive parts itself if a whole unit is 200,the is it reasonable MS could toss a HDVD drive into a 360 elite and sale it for the same price in the coming 2 years?

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Microsoft is way to short sighted for that. They want you to buy everything NOW and they want the money NOW. 2 years from now the Xbox 720 will be out, have 3 different versions and still overheat. They don't build anything for the long run. Nothing.

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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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So how much for the drive parts itself if a whole unit is 200,the is it reasonable MS could toss a HDVD drive into a 360 elite and sale it for the same price in the coming 2 years?

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Microsoft is way to short sighted for that. They want you to buy everything NOW and they want the money NOW. 2 years from now the Xbox 720 will be out, have 3 different versions and still overheat. They don't build anything for the long run. Nothing.

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Are you kidding they are taking the upgrades path to the 360, well upgrades path from a unit perspective, I would be surprised if they did so in a couple years.

Even so HDVD gaming is not in the cards, but building a 360 is always the joker.....

wha?

:P

Look what happens,it turns into a console fight.
BIG YAWN!
Last gen it was the PS2 that suffered reliability problems with lasers and the old Xbox was quite solid.So raving about Sony being
reliable is ignorant of the past.
I think Sony have truly screwed up this time round with both it's console and it's Blu-Ray format and that's why they are scraping the barrel this time round.All I hear is how the future will turn all rosy but thats corporate BS at it's best.
I don't want a dual player either,screw Blu-Ray,I don't wan't their shite proprietry format increasing the cost.
I hope HD-DVD squashes Sony's plans once and for all.
I don't hate Sony though,just their arrogance and blatant lies.

Originally posted by ChromeMud:

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Look what happens,it turns into a console fight.
BIG YAWN!
Last gen it was the PS2 that suffered reliability problems with lasers and the old Xbox was quite solid.So raving about Sony being
reliable is ignorant of the past.
I think Sony have truly screwed up this time round with both it's console and it's Blu-Ray format and that's why they are scraping the barrel this time round.All I hear is how the future will turn all rosy but thats corporate BS at it's best.
I don't want a dual player either,screw Blu-Ray,I don't wan't their shite proprietry format increasing the cost.
I hope HD-DVD squashes Sony's plans once and for all.
I don't hate Sony though,just their arrogance and blatant lies.

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SOLID? IT HAD HEATING ISSUES FOR CHRIST SAKE,caps LOL

Come on man the PS2 had issues sure but so did the Xbox and its worst issue was lack of games, now its somewhat the reverse the 360 has "some" games and more hardware issues, so please keep the fanboy vitriol to yourself.


BR would be nice if the price was lower and they drooped BD+ BS, HDVD is ok but in the long the long run probably not enough, I think HDVD is shifting to become the temporary Hdef for amt for the next 4ish years before something comes along to replace it.

Either HDvd "wins" or BR and HDVD share the market in a full developed dual player world.

BR still has a chance drop the stupid BD+ and get to the cost issues but I dont see them thinking that "price" is the problem, its a value as 4X the cost or so sony says...

Originally posted by ChromeMud:

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Look what happens,it turns into a console fight.
BIG YAWN!
Last gen it was the PS2 that suffered reliability problems with lasers and the old Xbox was quite solid.So raving about Sony being
reliable is ignorant of the past.
I think Sony have truly screwed up this time round with both it's console and it's Blu-Ray format and that's why they are scraping the barrel this time round.All I hear is how the future will turn all rosy but thats corporate BS at it's best.
I don't want a dual player either,screw Blu-Ray,I don't wan't their shite proprietry format increasing the cost.
I hope HD-DVD squashes Sony's plans once and for all.
I don't hate Sony though,just their arrogance and blatant lies.

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Who's fighting?
He asked a question about adding HD DVD to the 360. I stated an opinion about Microsoft to answer his inquiry. He retorted and said nothing about Sony at all. It's not our fault that the 360 just happens to be a game console.
You’re the one that turned this into a console fight. I didn't tell him Sony is great... I said Microsoft sucks. ALL of Microsoft.

And if you think HD DVD or Blue Ray is going to win this “war” your just as short sighted as Microsoft. New companies are just starting to make themselves known and sooner than later they will take control of everything and both formats will be $#!t out of luck.

@ ZIppyDSM (

I'll stop the fanboy vitriol when everybody else in this thread does the same,ie,don't even bother asking.
This thread is "HD DVD talks big game at CEDIA",just thought I'd clarify so don't lecture me.