Father charged over infamous Facebook picture in which child is gagged

wrap this sorry fuckers face in Cellophane, let him choke within a few inches of his pathetic little life. i bet he'll never do it again.

Stupid people shouldn't breed.

As heinous as this lousy parent's actions are, I just hope this doesn't create a wave of parents too afraid to PROPERLY discipline their children.

Originally posted by Clam_Up:

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As heinous as this lousy parent's actions are, I just hope this doesn't create a wave of parents too afraid to PROPERLY discipline their children.

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Proper discipline should not include battery, assault, torture, or any other kind of abuse. It's not needed.

Teach your child by example. You should be their hero, not their warden. I wonder where this child learned to hit someone...

What and idiot, and even bigger one for posting the photo on Facebook for the world to see. He should voluntarily remove himself from the gene pool, or maybe the state should do it for him.

in no way defending what this guy did, no excuse for what is shown in that picture, but i really hope this was just his idea of a joke and that the child wasn't really disciplined like this. I don't know the backstory, but my mind went to the idea that maybe the kid was playing around with the tape and the dad just took it too far for a joke. Maybe that is just wishful thinking though, there are some sick people out there.

Originally posted by Burnasty:

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Originally posted by Clam_Up:

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As heinous as this lousy parent's actions are, I just hope this doesn't create a wave of parents too afraid to PROPERLY discipline their children.

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I would bet you think properly disciplining include battery. I imagine you don't even have children. People like you are no different than the jack wagon who tied his kid above. You should be afraid of speaking like that in front of other people you mouth breather.

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In what way did I indicate what I consider proper discipline?

Who are you to bet on what I think proper discipline is or is not? I would _NEVER_ say to _ANYONE_, either in person or on the net, what you have accused me of thinking, doing, or believing.

Please apologize, and stop saying to people online what you likely would never say to them in person.

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Or you panty waists can stop frothing at the mouth about being a Warden or "battery" and give your kids a "Five across the eyes" when they misbehave like every parent did back in the day. The country is turning into a bunch of douche bags because everyone wants to "talk to their kids about their behavior" and give them time outs. Gimme a break. That shit doesn't work ever. Like you can reason with a child.

as a father of 4 myself i dont agree with what this father did to his kid one bit. i dont care what the kid did. he had no right to do that to her let alone post it up. from what i have been reading alot of people here do not agree with discipline their kids. these kids that get disciplined are most likely the ones that grow up do dumb shit. like what bernie mac said " parents today are some punk ass parents." the way the world is there are peole out there that are completely againt spanking their kids which in the long run is not helping the kid at all. im not going to lie when i kids do something wrong yes i do spank them. i dont go to the extreme with it. im not a big fan of the time out because that really doesnt do anything.

if i cursed at someone,gave them the bird or other general rudeness. i got ten swipes of genuine cow hide on genuine human hide that was that.

time outs work as well if done right, my time outs way back consisted of standing in a corner facing the wall with my hands behind my back the minimum was always 30 minutes. if i turned around 10 minutes added, if i complained 5 minutes added. after several times of standing for hours on in facing a wall. i got the hint. i was always given the choice to stand till my legs hurt, or stand for 8 hours strait cause my ass was too sore to sit down. i took my time outs very seriously.

Talking never worked for me, because while my parents where telling me why that's wrong, my mind was visualizing my next big wrong thing to do.

my mother had a piece of hame strap.to those of you who dont know,it came from a horse harness.if i did something bad enough i got a licking.didnt scar me emotionally.that having been said,this guy should be hung from his nuts,and should never be allowed to procreate again.

I hear all the pissing & whining. And All I can say from having lived both sides of the fence is that discipline for kids is a mixed bag of tricks. What works for one kid, doesn't work for another; plus, one form of punishment for a 'crime' doesn't need to befall the culprits head either.

I.e., when I set fire to my 'to be' step mother's house I got an ass beating that rivaled that of a meat tenderizer in a busy steak house on a Saturday night. No bullshit, 12 hour marathon ass blistering , tour de force. When I say I couldn't sit down for a week I mean I couldn't remember the week before because I was beaten unconscious for that one.

Equally so, I was tethered punishments that merited (while not as harsh) much more severity than deserved.

All this meaning, some kids you can bark out a few words of profanity & disapproval & get your point across. The behavior changes. Some you'll have to make a move for something more corporal, but even that kid can make a change from the same Lee Ermey barking when used properly.

It boils down to the adult & whether or not that butt reaming asshole deserves to be a "parent". Some/most would question me 3 sides to Sunday & with good reason. I think every parent should be questioned. If nothing more, if you're not questioning yourself, you're not worth a shit as a parent to begin with.

But to those who AREN'T parents, but kids discussing parental roles, back off. This is just one of those cases where walking a mile in another's shoes needs to take place. No, I don't defend this SOB by any stretch of the imagination, because this child is now going to grow up thinking this is a good idea.

I was lucky, I broke the cycle in my family. This kid, like so many others, may not be that lucky or may die in the process of trying to survive this idiot.

well put russ.

personally think this was the parents idea of a joke.the child probably wasnt hurt and probably untied after the photo was taken.

some children get beaten black and blue and turn out badly.other kids get yelled at a few times and behave.What really pisses me off is them parents that think there kid cant do anything wrong.my parents didnt beat me or my brothers and sisters as a kid we didnt turn out badly.

Yes, this was likely a poor joke.

As for corporal punishment...
There was little crime when the adage spare the rod and spoil the child was enforced. In the US, SAT scores permanently plummeted about a decade after corporal punishment was banned in schools. The only child of Dr. Benjamin Spock committed suicide. Spock was the major factor in stopping corporal punishment as the main stay of child punishment. He claimed corporal punishment scarred the child's mind. It seems many members feel the same way. A neighbor sent his Juvenal delinquent son to live with his mom in Nigeria after his house had rocks thrown through windows and fire bombs thrown at the house from a rival gang. In Nigeria, you can call the police to come beat your child if he is acting up. One summer of that turned the kid into a model student and he was able to graduate HS. He was able to get a decent job after school and never got into trouble again. I asked him what turned him around and he said he never wanted to go back to Africa. Apparently the beatings were quite severe. By the end of the summer, he was doing forced labor all day for his grandmother.

There is a difference between punishment and taking rage out on a child. That is child abuse. Even if the above was not a joke, this was not child abuse in my book. Still, I think this fool is getting what he deserves.

Stupid is as Stupid does...................

Originally posted by Mez:

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Yes, this was likely a poor joke.

As for corporal punishment...
There was little crime when the adage spare the rod and spoil the child was enforced. In the US, SAT scores permanently plummeted about a decade after corporal punishment was banned in schools. The only child of Dr. Benjamin Spock committed suicide. Spock was the major factor in stopping corporal punishment as the main stay of child punishment. He claimed corporal punishment scarred the child's mind. It seems many members feel the same way. A neighbor sent his Juvenal delinquent son to live with his mom in Nigeria after his house had rocks thrown through windows and fire bombs thrown at the house from a rival gang. In Nigeria, you can call the police to come beat your child if he is acting up. One summer of that turned the kid into a model student and he was able to graduate HS. He was able to get a decent job after school and never got into trouble again. I asked him what turned him around and he said he never wanted to go back to Africa. Apparently the beatings were quite severe. By the end of the summer, he was doing forced labor all day for his grandmother.

There is a difference between punishment and taking rage out on a child. That is child abuse. Even if the above was not a joke, this was not child abuse in my book. Still, I think this fool is getting what he deserves.

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"Actually, violent crime rates have been consistently falling since your fictitious ideal past. Beating a child only teaches them that violence is the way to deal with problems."

that is absolute horseshit.i was there in that "fictitious ideal past" and son there is nothing fictitious about it.the world has way too many amateur psychologists as it is without any more.

Welcome to the Dr. Phil version of discipline! I was spanked as a kid when I crossed the line and I'm not mentally scarred or ill, I have a well paying job and have High self esteem and ZERO criminal record! (anyone want my fingerprints for proof so you can run it through NCIC or AFIS?) Sorry Dr. Phil but your so called methods of discipline don't work! Timeouts may or may not work it all depends on the situation and the kids/parents.

as for the pic? this parent needs serious help if he thinks what he did is an acceptable form of discipline!

little does this idiot know, that he his messing with his head by bounding her up in tape like that. I hope he gets made an example off and gets the maximum penalty, then maybe others will think twice before they try something like this again.

Originally posted by keola37:

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Actually, violent crime rates have been consistently falling since your fictitious ideal past. Beating a child only teaches them that violence is the way to deal with problems.

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Originally posted by aldan:

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"Actually, violent crime rates have been consistently falling since your fictitious ideal past. Beating a child only teaches them that violence is the way to deal with problems."

that is absolute horseshit.i was there in that "fictitious ideal past" and son there is nothing fictitious about it.the world has way too many amateur psychologists as it is without any more.

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Originally posted by keola37:

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and it has FAR too many people who won't listen to facts, and who daydream about a time when violence, racism, and hate where the mainstream.

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Originally posted by Mez:

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Originally posted by keola37:

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and it has FAR too many people who won't listen to facts, and who daydream about a time when violence, racism, and hate where the mainstream.

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I haven't heard one utterance of yours that could be construed as any kind of fact.

As I said before, I think you confuse your beliefs with facts. It makes it much easier for you to justify cockamamie concepts.

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Originally posted by keola37:

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Originally posted by Mez:

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Originally posted by keola37:

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and it has FAR too many people who won't listen to facts, and who daydream about a time when violence, racism, and hate where the mainstream.

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I haven't heard one utterance of yours that could be construed as any kind of fact.

As I said before, I think you confuse your beliefs with facts. It makes it much easier for you to justify cockamamie concepts.

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Well, asshole, its a FACT that violent crime rates have been falling... i am sorry that illiteracy is just one of your many faults.

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Originally posted by Mez:

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Originally posted by keola37:

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Originally posted by Mez:

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Originally posted by keola37:

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and it has FAR too many people who won't listen to facts, and who daydream about a time when violence, racism, and hate where the mainstream.

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I haven't heard one utterance of yours that could be construed as any kind of fact.

As I said before, I think you confuse your beliefs with facts. It makes it much easier for you to justify cockamamie concepts.

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Well, asshole, its a FACT that violent crime rates have been falling... i am sorry that illiteracy is just one of your many faults.

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Talk about ass-holes!!!!
How is a 10 fold increase a decrease????
And you call me stupid and/or illiterate!!! You are a fool and a joke.
Maybe violent crime has decreased over the last 10 years but you are the only one that is holding on to that time frame. The anti corporal punishment has been strong for 60 yrs so you need to compare before that time or is that concept beyond you? You don't seem to be getting it at all.

The short term decrease is probably due to more cops on the street.

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hey 49.5% of all statistics are made up.lol.keola,you sound like you have had just enough education to screw you up.for someone who eschews violence like you say,you are getting awfully hot under the coller.a smack on the ass when i was bad as a child in no way made me a screwed up adult.i spanked my kids and they turned out even better.how did your kids turn out?please forget the night course in psychology and get real.we are not advocating beating the shit out of our kids here.and really,when it comes right down to it, that is not what this thread is all about now is it?

Originally posted by aldan:

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hey 49.5% of all statistics are made up.lol.keola,you sound like you have had just enough education to screw you up.for someone who eschews violence like you say,you are getting awfully hot under the coller.a smack on the ass when i was bad as a child in no way made me a screwed up adult.i spanked my kids and they turned out even better.how did your kids turn out?please forget the night course in psychology and get real.we are not advocating beating the shit out of our kids here.and really,when it comes right down to it, that is not what this thread is all about now is it?

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For all of you who are opposed... you obviously don't have a two year old. Ok that was a joke. I too think this was an attempt at a joke (at least I'm hoping... it is Christmas after all) and if I saw a pic like this that one of my friends took I would think it was funny but to post in on your facebook is totally stupid. People are only going to see the bad side of the image and not the joke or silliness . I've taken silly pictures with my kids that my friends and family thought was funny because they know me but if you saw these pictures you would think I was a terrorist working for Al Qaeda.

Originally posted by dab0ne:

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For all of you who are opposed... you obviously don't have a two year old. Ok that was a joke. I too think this was an attempt at a joke (at least I'm hoping... it is Christmas after all) and if I saw a pic like this that one of my friends took I would think it was funny but to post in on your facebook is totally stupid. People are only going to see the bad side of the image and not the joke or silliness . I've taken silly pictures with my kids that my friends and family thought was funny because they know me but if you saw these pictures you would think I was a terrorist working for Al Qaeda.

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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Originally posted by dab0ne:

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For all of you who are opposed... you obviously don't have a two year old. Ok that was a joke. I too think this was an attempt at a joke (at least I'm hoping... it is Christmas after all) and if I saw a pic like this that one of my friends took I would think it was funny but to post in on your facebook is totally stupid. People are only going to see the bad side of the image and not the joke or silliness . I've taken silly pictures with my kids that my friends and family thought was funny because they know me but if you saw these pictures you would think I was a terrorist working for Al Qaeda.

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there's nothing funny about Gaging and binding up your child.

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Originally posted by dab0ne:

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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Originally posted by dab0ne:

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For all of you who are opposed... you obviously don't have a two year old. Ok that was a joke. I too think this was an attempt at a joke (at least I'm hoping... it is Christmas after all) and if I saw a pic like this that one of my friends took I would think it was funny but to post in on your facebook is totally stupid. People are only going to see the bad side of the image and not the joke or silliness . I've taken silly pictures with my kids that my friends and family thought was funny because they know me but if you saw these pictures you would think I was a terrorist working for Al Qaeda.

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there's nothing funny about Gaging and binding up your child.

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how do you know? you've never met my child.

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Ok ok ok enough of the jokes. The facebook guy certainly took it a bit far even if he was joking and perhaps my shenanigans aren't as bad as I'm letting on. If it wasn't a joke I hope they throw the book at him but if they check the baby and don't see any other form or abuse then it's going to be hard to convict him of too much. Hopefully he learned his lesson.

DC crime rate 1960-2010

Here is the DC crime rate. This only goes back 50 yrs instead of the more that 60 but you can see crime goes up while population goes down. People left the city because it was not safe. It may have gone down some in recent years because the put more cops on the street but it isn't like it was in the 60s.

There are many persons that would say spanking a child is beating them. I am gland to hear you are not one of those. Reasonable persons would agree that corporal punishment ought to have bounds. I do not believe you should give out any kind of corporal punishment when you are angry.