Lady walks into Apple glass door, sues for $1 million

LMAO What a loser! really? It's amazing that our leagal system allows people like this lady to get away with this crap.

LoL...how dare they have glass doors!?!? Don't they know the kind of people who buy iPhones spend all their time looking down, not paying attention to anything? They should put warnings on the sidewalk..."Warning...building ahead".

BTW...how did she ever live to be 83 with grandchildren? Darwin is spinning in his grave.

This will soon be infront of all storefronts.

" WARNING! This building is a glass door."

hm... i guess grandma never been to the mail either

Is nobody responsible for their own actions anymore? I think this poor lady is just simply old and senile, because she obviously has no recollection of common sense!!!!

Any responsible organisation will have some kind of design so that a glass door/wall could be noticed. This is an accessibility issue above all. Anyone with any sort of vision disability might be unable to realise that a barrier stands in their way.

In comparison to Apple's lawsuits against the world, I call this one pretty fair. Or equally anyways.

Silly part is that she will get paid,maybe not the million but they will pay her off..

I hope all she gets is her hospital bill paid for and maybe a bit for pain and suffering. 1 million is way to much, just makes her look like she did it on purpose to get a million dollar check. Well it looks that way to me anyway. I am all for someone suing, but only when it's appropriate and for the appropriate amount. Walking into some glass doors and breaking your nose does not fit into you getting 1 million in damages. It happens all the time with glass doors, I am sure anyone that has owned those glass patio doors knows what I am talking about.

Originally posted by louispq:

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Any responsible organisation will have some kind of design so that a glass door/wall could be noticed. This is an accessibility issue above all. Anyone with any sort of vision disability might be unable to realise that a barrier stands in their way.

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Of course. And blind people can't see it at all. Yet they learn to get by.

Is there a building left on the planet that doesn't have doors? I guess she thought the etched "apple" logo was just a cataract floating around in her eye. I'd like to make the analogy that she'd sue the inventor of the toilet bowl because she doesn't look for the seat to be down and falls in but South Park beat me to it...maybe she'll sue McDonalds for serving "hot" coffee?...nope, too late with that one too. Hmmmmm, sue the inventor of the fork for making it such a dangerous eating utensil? Is it too late to sue her parents for not having an abortion or the Trojan company for not having invented condoms soon enough?
Can Apple counter-sue her for being a dumb ass? Is her leaving blood on the door an act of vandalism like grafitti or an act of bio-chemical terrorism. Her stupidity can be considered a blood born pathogen and can/has obviously infected a large part of the population.

I guess she didn't get her glasses from FourEyes, LOL.

It was also an old lady who sued McDonald's for serving coffee that was hot.

i feel sorry for the old lady if she honestly didnt see it and broke her nose walking into it, but im also thinking its a scam to get money.i havnt see a glass apple building so im not sure how visible they are.apple could give her the 1million and it wouldnt be a massive loss to them but it would also encourage stupid lawsuits.

Americans, so doopey....should have played Bingo instead.....

I hope she wins...and I can see the virtue to her argument. If she was younger than 83 I'd call bullshit, but elderly women don't usually break their own bones for monetary gain.

Apple may as well just give her the money...they won't even feel it disappear.

Originally posted by Mr_Bill06:

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I hope all she gets is her hospital bill paid for and maybe a bit for pain and suffering. 1 million is way to much, just makes her look like she did it on purpose to get a million dollar check. Well it looks that way to me anyway. I am all for someone suing, but only when it's appropriate and for the appropriate amount. Walking into some glass doors and breaking your nose does not fit into you getting 1 million in damages. It happens all the time with glass doors, I am sure anyone that has owned those glass patio doors knows what I am talking about.

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Have you read the warnings on a toothpick wrapper lately? They are there because of a lawsuit. If people can't be counted on not to stick a toothpick into their eyes, they can't be counted on for anything.

I hate apple, but I still hope they win this one...and I hope the judge commits this old bag to a home. At the very least, I hope they take away her driver's license. Oh wait...South Park beat me to that one.

LOL, i went to NYC and saw that building, it is pretty, but still visible, smart old ppl, always knows how to get away with things.

Originally posted by Matt898:

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LMAO What a loser! really? It's amazing that our leagal system allows people like this lady to get away with this crap.

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Nah..really she's smart...getting a piece of the apple...and to be fair an 83 year old woman..probably can't see that fucking good anyway...

Entitlement, stupidity, the legal lottery... all of it can kiss my ass!!! The old bat managed to find her way in the damned place, make a purchase & then wants a lawsuit on the way out!?! Pound sand I say.

If it weren't for the fact she was female & didn't have to think (or basically move) she probably had 2 kids before she knew what was causing them. How the hell has she survived in New York in the first place for 85 years (if that's how long she lived there)?

I'd like to know how many other folks have donked their faces into the doors making their way out after having not payed attention as well & NOT managed to sue Apple over their incident as well.

This is BS. Pay for her nose, pay for a tank of gas in the car & drive her ass to the 'home'. Even if she does win a cool mill, it'll just be another excuse for Apple to raise their prices another $50.

Everyone knows I'm not a fan of Apple, but the legal lottery crap far exceeds the need to wipe out stupid across the planet.

Rat in a maze its like I want you to pay me because I', dumb and I don't look before I leap or walk , maybe the defense team can argue that her mom and dad had to bubble wrap the coffee table when she was a little pain in the butt.... just saying maybe she the McDonolds coffee lady you know I pored it on myself and now I'll sue because it was hot ( oh yeah it was hot coffee that I ordered)who's the blame her see was being tapped bye her grand son with his Ipad and blame into the glass like a fly on a windshield....

She'll win, it is New York State after all. Companies with money are evil in NY.

Maybe she mistook apples glass door for contact lens, after all, you know older folks can be senile and forgetful!

Originally posted by badmanvan:

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Americans, so doopey....should have played Bingo instead.....

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"doopey"?
foreigners, lol

1 million is too much but the claim is valid. A boy ran into a glass door where i work. He needed plastic surgery. The claim was that we did not put any warning signs on the door. We paid for the surgery.

I dont know what it looks like outside the apple store, but they should put barricades around the building with the exception of the entrance. Is there a sign anywhere saying where the entrance is?

We have tiles that look good but when it rains they become really slippery. Someone slipped. Is it our fault that it rained? No. but design should always have safety in mind.
Its an issue of aesthetics vs safety. I looked at the picture about and only realized where the entrance was after about 10 seconds.

You can say its an idiotic thing to do but it can happen to you.

Originally posted by greenacre:

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1 million is too much but the claim is valid. A boy ran into a glass door where i work. He needed plastic surgery. The claim was that we did not put any warning signs on the door. We paid for the surgery.

I dont know what it looks like outside the apple store, but they should put barricades around the building with the exception of the entrance. Is there a sign anywhere saying where the entrance is?

We have tiles that look good but when it rains they become really slippery. Someone slipped. Is it our fault that it rained? No. but design should always have safety in mind.
Its an issue of aesthetics vs safety. I looked at the picture about and only realized where the entrance was after about 10 seconds.

You can say its an idiotic thing to do but it can happen to you.

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Sure, slippery tiles are just asking for a lawsuit because people expect the ground to have grip (that is why they use those yellow warning things when they mop the floor)...but people have been using glass doors for well over a hundred years. Yes...people walk into them sometimes. Sometimes people walk into brick walls too. This woman didn't walk into the side of the building...SHE WALKED INTO THE DOOR! It isn't even a clear door...it has the apple logo etched into it and handles mounted on it. There are probably 10,000 other glass doors in NYC that are less visible. If they have to put up a bunch of warning signs that the glass door is not permeable, where does it end? I guess they would also have to put up signs that the warning signs are not permeable...and then more signs that those signs are not permeable...and better make the signs in every language while you are at it. Then, put up signs that there are moving vehicles in the parking lot, that lighting sometimes strikes during thunder storms, that forgetting to breathe might cause brain damage...and a whole bunch more signs telling everyone that all these signs are also impermeable. Next thing you know, someone is suing because all of the signs are an eyesore, taking away from the beauty of the city...and someone else is suing because they were attempting to read the signs as they drove by, and ran into the back of a truck.

You have to take some responsibility for yourself...and if you can't, then you should not be allowed out on the street because you are now a hazard to everyone.

As for the kid that ran into your glass door? His parents should pay for the surgery...and they should face charges. It is their job to raise the kid so he looks where he is going. It was just lucky that he didn't run out into traffic...some innocent motorist would have had to defend himself for running down little Johny when he darted out two feet in front of their car, leaving them no theoretical way of avoiding the crash. Just watch, someone will use that glass door case as a precedent when some other kid runs head-first into a red brick wall.

Thanks for the comment but i checked the article above and it said she ran into the wall, not the door.

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On her way to return an iPhone, Paswall broke her nose after walking right into the wall of glass Apple has made famous for storefronts: "The defendant was negligent...in allowing a clear, see-through glass wall and/or door to exist without proper warning," reads the suit.

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I still remember the classic case of the woman who got burned from the coffee at Mc Donalds, which resulted in them placing a warning sign that Coffee may be HOT (or something like that)

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Have you read the warnings on a toothpick wrapper lately? They are there because of a lawsuit. If people can't be counted on not to stick a toothpick into their eyes, they can't be counted on for anything.

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Yes I can understand that. I think there should be a law you can't sue for something you did with a product that was not meant to be done with it, i.e. sticking a toothpick in ones eye. Even Like greenacre said about the coffee. I could understand if the lid was not on right and when it was handed to you it fell and burned you it would be there fault etc. Spilling coffee on yourself is well, your fault.

It's probably the children of this woman pushing her to sue for their benefit. I'm sure there is video footage of the incident that would show she was more than likely talking on the phone at the time.

Am I the only one wondering what she was doing there? It's not like she was going to buy an Ipad.

maybe they have a video of her using an ipad or an iphone without a warning on the device that it can distract people.thats another million dollar lawsuit right there.

Originally posted by Mr_Bill06:

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I hope all she gets is her hospital bill paid for and maybe a bit for pain and suffering. 1 million is way to much, just makes her look like she did it on purpose to get a million dollar check. Well it looks that way to me anyway. I am all for someone suing, but only when it's appropriate and for the appropriate amount. Walking into some glass doors and breaking your nose does not fit into you getting 1 million in damages. It happens all the time with glass doors, I am sure anyone that has owned those glass patio doors knows what I am talking about.

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Originally posted by guy8689:

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Am I the only one wondering what she was doing there? It's not like she was going to buy an Ipad.

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she was going to buy new glass when she hit the glass now she could buy better glass after hit the glass

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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As for the kid that ran into your glass door? His parents should pay for the surgery...and they should face charges. It is their job to raise the kid so he looks where he is going. It was just lucky that he didn't run out into traffic...some innocent motorist would have had to defend himself for running down little Johny when he darted out two feet in front of their car, leaving them no theoretical way of avoiding the crash. Just watch, someone will use that glass door case as a precedent when some other kid runs head-first into a red brick wall.

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I'm right there with you KB! Case in point. My dumbass kid, we were visiting relatives for the holidays. They have 2 dogs. One a real love that wouldn't hurt a fly despite what you do to him, the other a real shit from 200 hundred paces. It HATED my kid. Despite the fact it gave my kid EVERY indication to leave it be, MY repeated ass beatings & lecturing to leave the animal alone, the relatives telling him to leave it alone, sequestering the dog, dumbass kid made up his mind that buppy needs love & that will make the world right - f*k dada & the rest of the family, we don't know shit.

Not 2 minutes after our backs are turned he scales a 3 story fence & is face to face to kiss the dog into blissful humane love. To which the animal greats him with half his face in his lap.

I didn't sue the family. I didn't have the dog put down. Nor did I beat my kid's ass again. Too late for that. 'Stupid' paid it's high price for admission.

This kind of crap needs to stop. I've walked into full-on, painted, shut doors before & was never compelled to sue anyone. Stupid hurts. GTFOI and GTFOY! So you're embarrassed. Wahh. Think next time. It's a mistake if you do it once. It's stupid if you keep doing it & expect a change in the results.

Originally posted by guy8689:

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Am I the only one wondering what she was doing there? It's not like she was going to buy an Ipad.

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She was returning her new iPhone.

Wow so much ignorance in one thread...

First McDonalds. It's fascinating that so many people have an opinion on this case, yet equally as many know nothing about the details. Do any of you know why McDonalds was liable? The coffee was being kept at 205 degrees, 10 below the boiling point. Thats almost 100 degrees hotter than needed to serve at a temperature acceptable to the average person. Regardless, a medical doctor testified that even if the coffee was being kept just 20 degrees cooler That woman's third degree burns would have been reduced to second. So yeah McDonalds screwed up big time. What most people also don't know is that the Judge granted a summary judgement afterwards reducing the amount by 20% due to her having to share some of the blame. After the lawyers took half, medical bills reimbursed, taxes on the rest, she didnt get nearly the 1 million dollars that everyone claims.

Next is the theory of punitive damages. The reason why punitive damages seem to be excessive is because they are meant to be just that; a punishment. If I punch you in the face and then a judge says, "hey just pay him $5" would that prevent me from punching people again? Hell no. Punitive awards are proportional to the wealth of the defendant. In fact when you look at it from those terms the $1 million dollars this lady is asking for is cheap. If this goes to court (and it wont) she could get much more. But we don't see things like this. All we see is other people getting easy money and we resent them because it's not us.

Finally the doctrine of strict liability. It's ironic that we criticize these lawsuits and their outcomes when the basis for their judgments is our most important protection as an individual against unethical business practices. Without it companies can do whatever they please since they can just feign ignorance or use countless other defenses that are anti consumer. The burden of proof becomes much more challenging and expensive.

Originally posted by Azuran:

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Wow so much ignorance in one thread...

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While your yang counterweight to the yin argument is indeed proportionate it still doesn't address the liability of the proposed 'victim' I.e., to what end does the 'victim' have to take responsibility for their actions?

Suing the electric saw manufacturer & blade manufacturer because the blade turns too fast & the blade too sharp. The pistol shoot to fast or too many bullets or too large a caliber. The pencil sharpener makes the pencil too sharp & the teacher let me sharpen it too much. My parents let me get out of bed that day...

Too what end does it stop? The hippie school I volunteer at at least teaches these little brats to take responsibility for their actions. I.e., what was "YOUR" part in the confrontation.

The lady bought "HOT" coffee. She obviously ordered it 7 they didn't offer iced coffee at the time, so there wasn't any confusion (& for the record, the pissing match was over the medical bills & that's what got blown out of proportion).

Our lady of the hour here somehow manged to walk INTO a glass house. Her dumb ass surely had to figure she was going to have to come out of said 'glass house' at one point or another, so I'm not buying it. Your argument for penalizing someone for building a glass building doesn't hold water. NY would have never allowed the permits for it's construction in the first place; despite the payoffs.

It's a grandstand lawsuit, nothing more. A simple ambulance chaser is trying to make a name.

personally i think they do serve coffee too hot at most places it should be hot not burn your mouth out when you drink it.

maybe she should be charged with vandalism for attacking a glass door.the second you walk outside your house you are responsible for your actions.if you walk into a solid object (thats not moving) its your own fault open your eyes.

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to what end does the 'victim' have to take responsibility for their actions?

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I believe I already addressed this. It's called comparative fault. The woman who sued McDonalds was found 20% liable and her damages were reduced.

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Your argument for penalizing someone for building a glass building doesn't hold water.

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The law disagrees with you. See Leesa Bunch v. Hoffinger Industries, Inc. and McMasker Enterprises, Inc.

Originally posted by Azuran:

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Wow so much ignorance in one thread...

*snip*

Next is the theory of punitive damages. The reason why punitive damages seem to be excessive is because they are meant to be just that; a punishment. If I punch you in the face and then a judge says, "hey just pay him $5" would that prevent me from punching people again? Hell no. Punitive awards are proportional to the wealth of the defendant. In fact when you look at it from those terms the $1 million dollars this lady is asking for is cheap. If this goes to court (and it wont) she could get much more. But we don't see things like this. All we see is other people getting easy money and we resent them because it's not us.

Finally the doctrine of strict liability. It's ironic that we criticize these lawsuits and their outcomes when the basis for their judgments is our most important protection as an individual against unethical business practices. Without it companies can do whatever they please since they can just feign ignorance or use countless other defenses that are anti consumer. The burden of proof becomes much more challenging and expensive.

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You're assuming Apple is wrong, and should be punished by your mention of punitive damages.
Now, despite the many questionable things Apple has done, I struggle to see how they can be at fault here to the tune of $1m.
People have a responsibility to actually look where they are walking!!
Now, if it turns out there were no warning stickers, no visible strips, no nothing, then Apple may be held liable (as clean glass only cant be seen) - but even if this is the case, I dont see how $1m is justified.

Should have gone to SpecSavers.

I Can't believe this!

An 83 y/o woman using an iPhone?

Originally posted by 8686:

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I Can't believe this!

An 83 y/o woman using an iPhone?

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Apple 'is' known for their warm fuzzy tech compliance for those who refuse to learn anything. Their sales pitch is 'user friendly/defined' or 'intuitive'. So much so they don't even bother putting any instructions (of any account) in the box with most of these things.

Basically, sign here, slide finger here, eat here, speak when spoken too... So strong is this new "Speak & Spell" audience they have, they have to tell them to look out for the f*king door & which foot to start walking with as well.

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You're assuming Apple is wrong, and should be punished by your mention of punitive damages.
Now, despite the many questionable things Apple has done, I struggle to see how they can be at fault here to the tune of $1m.
People have a responsibility to actually look where they are walking!!
Now, if it turns out there were no warning stickers, no visible strips, no nothing, then Apple may be held liable (as clean glass only cant be seen) - but even if this is the case, I dont see how $1m is justified.

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I'm assuming apple is wrong to illustrate a point. I'm not trying to say Apple actually did something because I don't know all the details. Besides, you are treading on the wrong justification of how damages are awarded. The severity of the incident is only small part of it.

LOL that is a funny story. Maybe they will need to tint all glass from now on. :)

Idiotic. The Judge for hearing the case should be stripped of his status and imprisoned, as should the lawyer for accepting the case. Until we start holding accountable (which will NEVER happen) those who support and enable this behavior, things will only get worse.

All Apple has to do is present statistics showing how many thousands of people have passed through these glass doors without breaking their nose which will prove that THIS lady is a STUPID, BLIND, IDIOT who is trying to make a quick buck at the expense of Apple, one of the great done so very much to enhance life in so many different ways. More importantly the court should rule that this greedy, under-handed female dog should be put in a senior's home and ONLY allowed out with a carer AND a wheelchair, thereby preventing her from attempting anymore crooked schemes!

Originally posted by williabr78:

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This will soon be infront of all storefronts.

" WARNING! This building is a glass door."

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Knowing Apple though it will be printed on a glass sign.

You know, it's some artist who designed these glass buildings that will probably get the blame in this. You know he/she will...

It's always the artists that do. What is it now, violent video games that cause violent behavior in youth today? What was this lady's excuse? Bathtub Gin of her folks or too many outings when the GI's were on leave from overseas during WW2?

Elvis & Jerry Lee Lewis got their turn in the barrel, while Judas Priest go trotted through the courts too. I'm surprised some dude didn't sue Salvidor Dali for getting droopy dick for having viewed one of his melting clock paintings.

Props to Tarsellis & his comments. They all need to be publicly humiliated for continually bringing this kind of idiocy up.

Originally posted by LordRuss:

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Entitlement, stupidity, the legal lottery... all of it can kiss my ass!!! The old bat managed to find her way in the damned place, make a purchase & then wants a lawsuit on the way out!?! Pound sand I say.

If it weren't for the fact she was female & didn't have to think (or basically move) she probably had 2 kids before she knew what was causing them. How the hell has she survived in New York in the first place for 85 years (if that's how long she lived there)?

I'd like to know how many other folks have donked their faces into the doors making their way out after having not payed attention as well & NOT managed to sue Apple over their incident as well.

This is BS. Pay for her nose, pay for a tank of gas in the car & drive her ass to the 'home'. Even if she does win a cool mill, it'll just be another excuse for Apple to raise their prices another $50.

Everyone knows I'm not a fan of Apple, but the legal lottery crap far exceeds the need to wipe out stupid across the planet.

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Hey! HEY! I've been reading your posts for years and I've never seen you use the phrase "pound sand", nor anyone else for that matter. So the only logical deduction is that you saw one of my posts and decided to plagiarize me. That's Okay. I understand. I'm cool and you want to be like me. But listen here buddy. You gotta come up with your own material. Besides, that shit is trademarked, you know, TM... capital R with a circle around it.

Have you ever driven a car when the sun was in your field of view? Look at the picture and it becomes quite possible that the glass door facing the sun would not be seen.

Glass doors are generally under an opaque cover or inside a building.

In the picture it looks like one door is open. So she might have walked in without opening any door, and not seeing the glass on the way out would assume that she could leave the same as she arrived.

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Hey! HEY! I've been reading your posts for years and I've never seen you use the phrase "pound sand", nor anyone else for that matter. So the only logical deduction is that you saw one of my posts and decided to plagiarize me. That's Okay. I understand. I'm cool and you want to be like me. But listen here buddy. You gotta come up with your own material. Besides, that shit is trademarked, you know, TM... capital R with a circle around it.

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Huh... Not that I would ever give credit where credit is due, but are you really that sure? I mean I've even told folks "I'm borrowing that" & other such nonsense, but really?

I got the phrase from a couple of old Army & Marine corp veterans that i hung out with when I was a kid back in the late 70s, early 80s & trying to make independent movies.

With all the creative inspiration I've been throwing around in here (and been reading as well) if you want to lay claim to it, be my guest. Just don't let those two surly, 'bus guy', beasts argue with you about where or who they it from first.

I don't think they'll agree that they read it here & they'll most assuredly argue that they calliope launched it into my ass some 30 years ago as well. ;)

Originally posted by Mr_Bill06:

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I hope all she gets is her hospital bill paid for and maybe a bit for pain and suffering. 1 million is way to much, just makes her look like she did it on purpose to get a million dollar check. Well it looks that way to me anyway. I am all for someone suing, but only when it's appropriate and for the appropriate amount. Walking into some glass doors and breaking your nose does not fit into you getting 1 million in damages. It happens all the time with glass doors, I am sure anyone that has owned those glass patio doors knows what I am talking about.

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This is so hilarious! LOL. I just watched similar situation on this one(There were kids playing & running at the nearby glass wall, then bang into the invisible wall!! Hahaha!. Tat kid walked away with broken knee instead of his nose) on last weekend at my local place.

..."Pound sand" is an old phrase; far older than any of us, certainly. It dates from the early part of the 20th century, roughly 1912 or so. GIYF.

I think he was being sarcastic.

LMFAO!!! Its called being facetious, people. Russ. I just knew that I'd get a good laugh from your response....but damn...a calliope! A fuqing T34!! How old are you, man?!! As for "pound sand" I had just used it on another thread that you commented on and thought it was hella funny that it was used again. I know I didn't come up with it. And I know you know that I know. I was already laughing...but seriously...a fuqing calliope? Man that's awesome. I almost pissed myself...no joke.

Originally posted by SoulGLOW:

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I was already laughing...but seriously...a fuqing calliope? Man that's awesome. I almost pissed myself...no joke.

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And that gentlemen is the whole reason why I'm in here...

Sure, I like to be the voice of reason, but sometimes the voice of reason is that mean little kid holding the cat's tail...

And for the record, I'm 47... & as my wife says, I'm an over educated dumb ass. Thus my knowledge of the T34, mounted on the Sherman tanks back during WW2. Plus, I was stationed at Fort Knox. Much longer stories to be had there as well.

Now if I could just get the 'writers block' out of my animation, you could see the real twisted inner workings...

F UCK APPLE!!! Pay the old lady. period.