Tech junkies like myself are always looking for more storage space. Especially now, since Hi-def movies take up...more space.

10 years ago i thought cd-r had plenty of space. "How many mb?? OMG!!"

5 years ago i thought i would never fill a single layer dvd. That didnt last long.

And of course, in 10 years from now (or less) i'll look back and wonder how i ever got by with "only" 50gb of space on a disc.

Time will tell i suppose. :)

Originally posted by limelight:

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Tech junkies like myself are always looking for more storage space. Especially now, since Hi-def movies take up...more space.

10 years ago i thought cd-r had plenty of space. "How many mb?? OMG!!"

5 years ago i thought i would never fill a single layer dvd. That didnt last long.

And of course, in 10 years from now (or less) i'll look back and wonder how i ever got by with "only" 50gb of space on a disc.

Time will tell i suppose. :)

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This so-called format war is just like everything else American; there will always be something that is "bigger" or "better", so everyone with a hole in their pocket will run to get it just so they can say, "Look at what I got!" I mean it makes me think of a classic George Carlin routine call "Stuff". Pretty soon you have so much storage spa... oops, I mean stuff that you have to pay more to store your stuff, off-site so to speak. Has anyone ever heard of information overload? I just want to know one more thing, people: When is enough, enough?

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Look that comment on this board has really run tired HD formats are not here to over take DVD only a enhancement.DVD & HD are not against each other they share a totally different market you cant compare one or the other.Let just keep this on topic HD-DVD vs Blu-ray which is a HighDef market not standard.Two totally different markets.

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but to understand who is winning, you have to look at the market and the hd format market is pathetic in comparison to dvd, which is not off topic imo its about "film sales", yes the blur-ray helped sales because of the redemption vouchers with blu-rays and ps3 in US and Japan for 1/4 cost blu-ray's which was a PR stunt to dupe consumers to believe that there is a huge take up of this format but the total sales suggest that the marketing on both sides are talking dog turd.

blu-ray offers me little in the way of an upgrade from my dvd player other than loads of cripple ware and HDCP incompatibilities so why waste your cash on an anti consumer product?

HDCP: beta testing DRM on the public? http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070121-8665.html

Originally posted by arstechnica:

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Joe Consumer, the beta tester

Fast forward to today. On occasion we hear reports of HDCP snafus, primarily from readers who are upset with HDCP/HDMI implementation on their cable boxes. As it turns out, this stuff doesn't work reliably for even the basic stuff like showing video flawlessly, let alone securing outputs. I even have a HDCP/HDMI issue with my TiVo, which decides that my TV is no longer secure about once a month, requiring a reboot.

Stranger reports have arisen from PlayStation 3 owners who are experiencing blinking displays when connected to some HDTV sets. When playing games, occasionally the sound cuts out and the entire display would blink on and off. As it turns out, the HDCP technology in the PS3 would freak out and sputter if a connected TV could not consistently and quickly indicate it was copy-protection ready. No one knew that this was the case until the guys at Popular Mechanics pinned the tail on the donkey.

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who won the dvd- or dvd+ war?

It's hilarious how any info challenging the regular and outrageous bias, half-truth and out-right lying BS the BD side have made their 'trademark' now gets labelled as "hate".

Perhaps if the BD side had kept to just putting the facts of their case and not slamming HD DVD at every opportunity then regular people wouldn't take an interest in trying to make sure the the full facts were put up for discussion about this every time.
They have only themselves to blame.
Talk about counter-productive.

It's very very funny to hear the whine about 'poor little BD' when they have done so much to try and mislead and manipulate the public over this stuff
(and as a deliberate company 'strategy').

I suppose anyone complaining about or even mentioning the infamous 'Sony root kit fiasco' was just trying to spread "hate"!?

Originally posted by hughjars:

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It's hilarious how any info challenging the regular and outrageous bias, half-truth and out-right lying BS the BD side have made their 'trademark' now gets labelled as "hate".

Perhaps if the BD side had kept to just putting the facts of their case and not slamming HD DVD at every opportunity then regular people wouldn't take an interest in trying to make sure the the full facts were put up for discussion about this every time.
They have only themselves to blame.
Talk about counter-productive.

It's very very funny to hear the whine about 'poor little BD' when they have done so much to try and mislead and manipulate the public over this stuff
(and as a deliberate company 'strategy').

I suppose anyone complaining about or even mentioning the infamous 'Sony root kit fiasco' was just trying to spread "hate"!?

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Post like this is what REAMtalking about no matter how the facts are put in front of HD fan-boys.They still ignore all the facts that BD has over taken HD-DVD open your eyes & stop thinking everyone out to get you.Facts are fact but you are trying to turn nothing into something stop trying to reach info that you think is the truth which isn't.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Post like this is what REAMtalking about

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- Try decaff NexGen76, you might calm down a little.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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no matter how the facts are put in front of HD fan-boys.

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- I'm not a 'fanboy' of anything (except maybe my Mrs) not at my age NexGen76, better luck next time.

But as they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery I'll take that as a compliment :P

Just because on balance I much prefer HD DVD to BD I'm no blind fanboy of it.

But maybe you'd like to point out, specifically, just which "facts" were wrong then, hmmmm?

Was it wrong that Sony screwed their paying customers with that root kit business?
Was it wrong that Sony made a selling point of the additional layers of DRM inherent in BD?
Was it wrong that Sony's PR campaign has tried to trash HD DVD at every turn?

I think not.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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They still ignore all the facts that BD has over taken HD-DVD

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- Er, when I have put the figures up myself (that BD has sold approx 1.2 million movies to HD DVd's 998,000) perhaps you'll explain how this "ignores" that "BD has over taken HD DVD" in sales?

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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open your eyes & stop thinking everyone out to get you.

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- LMAO.

Pointing out the lies and the misinformation is not example of paranoia, actually.

Wake up.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Facts are fact but you are trying to turn nothing into something stop trying to reach info that you think is the truth which isn't.

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- Then go ahead, let's have it.
Challenge my facts.

Tell me how BD's now almost total reliance on PS3 is 'a good thing'?

Tell me how that situation is a positive strategy for taking the a/v market?

Tell me I'm wrong to point out the meaningless of barely 2 million total high def sales when SD DVD sells over 750million?

Tell me that there has not been licencing and manufacturing agreements with China for 3 brands of very inexpensive HD DVD to come to the US in Q3 of this year or that this is not significant to the tiny immature high def market?

Tell me how great it is that the 3 million PS3s have shifted approx 1.2 million BD movies?

Tell me where the mountainous 'we've already won' BS is in any way credible when both formats sell so little?

Awwwwww what's up NexGen76, does this all spoil the impact of the 'viral message'?

......or would you try and con people that 'viral marketing' on websites like this one is just a rumour & a figment of a paranoid mind, huh?

:P

@ hughjars:

just to extend your post a little! it seems that sony are reliant on ps3 for the Blu-ray sales but as npd sales information shows, not many ppl in the US or Japan actually want one so where does this leave the format war?

apparently, the internet is to blame for poor ps3 sales, not that sony have lost public trust after the rootkit (xcp), exploding batteries because of cheaper than cheap components, leading the push of DRM around the world or any of the other pr lies they have told or completely ripped everyone off especially in euro where price fixing seems the norm for sony

The Toughest Job in Video Games: Sony PR

Originally posted by Sony moron PR dpt chief tosser Dave Karraker:

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That's kind of a tough question to answer. I am pretty sure if you asked just about any real gamer out there if they would like to have a PS3, their answer would be a resounding "Yes!" I think a lot of this goes back to the proliferation of the Internet, where a very vocal minority can make a lot of noise and potentially alter perceptions of the masses, whether they are accurate or not. A lot of this, naturally, is driven by the media who seem focused on taking swipes at us lately, without taking in the full picture.

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Was it wrong that Sony screwed their paying customers with that root kit business?
Was it wrong that Sony made a selling point of the additional layers of DRM inherent in BD?
Was it wrong that Sony's PR campaign has tried to trash HD DVD at every turn?

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Mr.Jars BD isn't just Sony & age don't define if you are a fan-boy or not.


Who developed Blu-ray?


The Blu-ray Disc format was developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of leading consumer electronics, personal computer and media manufacturers, with more than 180 member companies from all over the world. The Board of Directors currently consists of:

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Bros. Entertainment

http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

If your going to flame with all this totally nonsense a lease know who Blu-ray is then we can continue with this misinformation you continue to spill on these board trying to defect the truth.

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1.2 million movies to HD DVd's 998,000

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Last time i checked which it don't take a math major to see is 1.2 is bigger.But that nimber not counting total sales because no one has that yet but Sony & Tosh.Lets not forget that Blu-ray had a huge gap they closed on HD-DVD within a months time & now is growing not as fast but its growing.

Originally posted by NexGen76 :

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Mr.Jars BD isn't just Sony & age don't define if you are a fan-boy or not.

Who developed Blu-ray?

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what is really interesting is WHO holds the patents!

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Mr.Jars BD isn't just Sony & age don't define if you are a fan-boy or not.

Who developed Blu-ray?

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- A consortium - but that still does not mean Sony were not the primary developer.

I think pigfister has already asked you to go look that up re patents.

As for fanboy?
A preference based on the facts is not blind belief......but your own continual & selective ignoring of the factual points raised is speaking plenty about your own fanboy staus.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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If your going to flame with all this totally nonsense a lease know who Blu-ray is then we can continue with this misinformation you continue to spill on these board trying to defect the truth.

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- OK then, go for it, forget you're besides and (deliberately?) missing the point 'cut n pastes'; lets see you deny Sony hold the most BD patents and are the primarty developer of BD as well as the rest of the points I raised.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Last time i checked which it don't take a math major to see is 1.2 is bigger.

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- Yeah and I provided that set of numbers and yet you accussed me of ignoring facts I myself had posted up myself?!

How does that one work in your world?

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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But that nimber not counting total sales because no one has that yet but Sony & Tosh.

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- Er, that'll be why I mentioned the 'approx'.

But the facts are that people besides Sony & Toshiba do know approx numbers as far as movie disc retail numbers go, they're not exactly something that Sony & Toshiba themselves solely control.

.....and let's cut the cr@p here, why are you pretending about this anyways?

That 1.2 million sales is to march 2007 and from the BD Assoc themselves.

*busted* :P

Wake up and get to know the subject a little better, eh?

www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/downloadablefile/Blu-ray-Disc-News-27-04-07-13623.pdf

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Lets not forget that Blu-ray had a huge gap they closed on HD-DVD within a months time & now is growing not as fast but its growing.

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- Neilson showed that gap grew to just over 70:30 (at the start of the year just after the PS3 launches - with their 7 X $10 money off movie vouchers - and when HD DVD releases had come to a virtual standstill).

Neilson now shows the gap reduced to 60:40, actually, that's a shrinking gap not a growing one.

sony probably holds more patents on BD because they probably figured it would be good to invest in it, it's what the market has "always" done, they think they find something worthwhile, they invest in it, it's no surprise, so we shouldn't just atack one investor, anyways, if you like space, like storage space, you probably won't care about a few more dollars to pay for it, i had a single dvd burner, and bought a double layer dvd burner just because of the extra space to save stuff, i didn't care that double layer dvd's are expensive, i just care about the space, if they sell me a BD burner for my computer, i will probably buy it, not because of the HD, because of the storage, because i can save anything: data, music, videos, movies, anything, with that kind of space, taking the same physical space in my room, so like i tried to say, if you like storage space go for it, if what you care about is your money, don't, but pleaseee, stop the fussing, i think it's still the same as the pc and mac fight, both are still out, buy the best pc probably for about 2k, where the best mac can go around 20k, it's about wheter you are willing to pay for the performance, wheter you go for the "good enough" or the "oh yeah" and i too am willing to bet that someone will come with a fuzz about what i said, oh well, i guess someone will owe me 20 bucks too, lol. x_x

Originally posted by mglez86:

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sony probably holds more patents on BD because they probably figured it would be good to invest in it

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- You can't just 'buy' patents as an investment like that.

Sony hold the majority of the BD patents because Sony were and are the primary developer behind it.

That's a matter of record not interpretation.

@NexGen76



Dude--just give up in this thread--you're getting pwn3d left and right by hughjars. So just give it up and spread your pathetic propaganda elsewhere.


And for the record; Dvd no matter what kicks the SH*T out of both of these formats because it's simply trusted more by the consumer atm. And YES, whether you want to believe it or not; Sony is relying on the PS3 to carry their sales. Seriously, read every damn sony report and count how many times they mention the ps3 in an article about the high def market. You'd be surprised.


p.s. since I [once again =p] see it coming already; I'm just gonna bet another 20 bucks that NexGen76 is going to post another pathetic reply to my post and tell me about how much better Blu-ray is.



My point is; You're a retard to be backing Sony--they're the most anti-consumer company in the market. So; laugh all you want at dvd/Hd-dvd, or any other disc format for that matter; but @ least I'm not the one getting F***ed in the rear end by some major corporation that only cares about sales of the ps3 in conjunction with BD movies and ripping off their consumers with endless amounts of DRM=P

blu-ray's demise = very poor sales of the ps3, high costs, impossible for most 3rd party support (Japan ps3 houses already dropping the machine in favor of the wii) dam hard to code for, they can only press a very limited amount of discs a day and the factory's need to be from ground up, sony arrogance, very very bad press due to constant sony anti consumer campaign's, sony's pr dave karakker & phil harrison constantly making complete fools out of the brand with ridiculous failed stunts and moronic opaque comments(lies).

and the ps2 was such a masterpiece wtf did they do :-/


imho sony ps3 = so long and thanks for all the fish!

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My point is; You're a retard to be backing Sony--they're the most anti-consumer company in the market. So; laugh all you want at dvd/Hd-dvd, or any other disc format for that matter; but @ least I'm not the one getting F***ed in the rear end by some major corporation that only cares about sales of the ps3 in conjunction with BD movies and ripping off their consumers with endless amounts of DRM=P

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You think my comments are dumb look i never said anything bad about HD-DVD so you can take they trash some where else i cant help the fact that a few of you cant look pass your own nose.You guys argue with news thread on this site every day not going to change the out come Blu-ray is the leading HD format right now find me a link or so call proof that its not? HD-DVD is a good format but the problem i have with them is right now look at all there movie releases.More than half of them are old titles i already have & most people do to.Far as DRM i have yet to have a problem with.Some of you guys are backwards you think any company going to support you making copies of a disc regard less if to bought it they have the right to protect there content.Show me one company that support not copyright there product.Please show me just one.

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Show me one company that support not copyright there product.Please show me just one.

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Sun Microsystems gives away StarOffice to anyone who says they're a student or NPO without a CD Key or anything. Apple has NO CD Key or serial whatsoever for OS X or its upgrades.

Thousands of...
- Software Apps
- Music Songs
- Movies
are licensed under the GPL which is essentially a non-copyright, and some of the above are put out by major corporations.

Sorry, that was more than one. My bad.

you only said "thousands" and "major corporations", but you don´t say which ones, oops, my bad, i caught you. any way, apple has a OS which is made for their computers, which "they" make, so that doesn´t count, most of the GPL licenses come from regular people not the corporatios, the corporation starts the apps, then people like you and me make it better, most of the stuff on them is made by regular people who support the corporation just for saying: "hey look at me, i support GPL", what ever!!!!!, i don't think anyone cares about that any ways, all this BS is just for sony, no one cares about a format, all these people who talk BS just hate sony, not the format, so pretty much i'm not gonna listen to anyone until i see what happens, tough i do like this kind of Bs, it's what keeps prices falling, keep up the BS!!!!

Originally posted by hughjars:

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It's hilarious how any info challenging the regular and outrageous bias, half-truth and out-right lying BS the BD side have made their 'trademark' now gets labelled as "hate".

Perhaps if the BD side had kept to just putting the facts of their case and not slamming HD DVD at every opportunity then regular people wouldn't take an interest in trying to make sure the the full facts were put up for discussion about this every time.
They have only themselves to blame.
Talk about counter-productive.

It's very very funny to hear the whine about 'poor little BD' when they have done so much to try and mislead and manipulate the public over this stuff
(and as a deliberate company 'strategy').

I suppose anyone complaining about or even mentioning the infamous 'Sony root kit fiasco' was just trying to spread "hate"!?

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Sounds a lot like what I said the day before. Your right, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thank you for standing up, sincerely

still, even when they try to concenctrate on talking about the good things they have, there are people spreading hate, cause that's all they want, i read the article at the ps web, they talked about the features they had and people started talking about crap again, they talked about their processor and people once again brought up the stupid stuff about format wars, what the ....??? x_x haters just do that, hate, they don't care about wheter it's good or not, they are mislead by the companies who take advantage of so many naive people, once again i will just sit back and watch all of this until we have good prices. x_x

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Show me one company that support not copyright there product.Please show me just one.

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- Have you checked the latest news?
DRM-free EMI catalogue arrives on iTunes
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9896.cfm

that's not my idea of free, but it could work, i mean, i don't really understand everything they said, it sounds to me like they still want to charge for the songs, so... x_x

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Originally posted by mglez86:

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that's not my idea of free

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- Yeah ok but the comment was originally about copyright/DRM free.

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[quote]Show me one company that support not copyright there product.Please show me just one.

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- Have you checked the latest news?
DRM-free EMI catalogue arrives on iTunes
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9896.cfm[/quote]


However, if you are planning to download the new DRM-free music and share over P2P networks, forget about it. All files you download are embedded with your name and email address, which will definetely come back to haunt you if you were to get caught illegally uploading the new songs.

I guess you didn't read the whole tread...lol thats not support

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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I guess you didn't read the whole tread...lol thats not support

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- Well actually I did.

But you'll find that this method equates to a form of 'managed copy' (which incidentally happens to be a mandatory part of the HD DVD standard, unlike BD where it is merely optional).

It's not perfect but it's nothing like the kind of DRM or 'copyright protection' the BD side want to impose on everybody or that you claimed 'everybody' went in for.

Still, no doubt you'll try to keep on wriggling over this so work away.

Originally posted by mglez86:

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you only said "thousands" and "major corporations", but you don´t say which ones, oops, my bad, i caught you. any way, apple has a OS which is made for their computers, which "they" make, so that doesn´t count, most of the GPL licenses come from regular people not the corporatios, the corporation starts the apps, then people like you and me make it better, most of the stuff on them is made by regular people who support the corporation just for saying: "hey look at me, i support GPL", what ever!!!!!, i don't think anyone cares about that any ways, all this BS is just for sony, no one cares about a format, all these people who talk BS just hate sony, not the format, so pretty much i'm not gonna listen to anyone until i see what happens, tough i do like this kind of Bs, it's what keeps prices falling, keep up the BS!!!!

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I am not trying to defend Blu-ray (actually, the opposite!), but trying to debunk that not everyone is worried about copyrights. I said thousands not because I didn't have examples, but because it would be tedious and unnecessary to list them all.

And as for Apple, have you looked into the x86 project? There are AFAIK no attempts to shut that down by Apple, and by design it is meant to run on what is not 'their' hardware.

And you trying to argue this without knowing either many examples of corporate-supported GPL or saying that nobody cares about GPL apps just shows your ignorance to the subject.

Long live DVD!