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Pioneer releases $2200 USD Blu-ray player

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 25 Aug 2008 11:32 User comments (35)

Pioneer releases $2200 USD Blu-ray player Earlier this year Pioneer promised that they would be releasing the most powerful Blu-ray player ever built by the end of the year and true to their word, the Elite BDP-09FD is now available, at the hefty price of $2,200 USD.
Until today the Sony PlayStation 3 had been arguably the most powerful Blu-ray player on the market and one of the cheapest, retailing for $400 USD for its smallest capacity model.

The new Elite however should blow the PS3's specs out of the water, although at $1800 more. The Elite is full BD-Live capable and comes with built-in 4GB internal memory for some of your downloading needs.

The player is not however, the sleekest Blu-ray player you've ever seen. It weighs almost 50 pounds and is much taller than an average player. It is however, very well built. Completely made of steel and aluminum the player is mounted to avoid any vibration. There are also no wires inside the player, all the connections have been physically mounted from the circuit board to greatly reduce noise.

Pioneer adds that this all-in-one box should be able to replace even a high-end snob's CD player, DVD player and current Blu-ray player.

From an audio standpoint, Pioneer says this will decode all your music and movie soundtracks using gold-plated 7.1 RCA jacks that also create a "completely perfect noise-free signal." All known codecs are decoded using a separate digital-to-analog converter for each channel which is an interesting feature that should make playback excellent. The company also promises jitter-free disc playback.

For video playback, 1080p/24 is available for both Blu-ray and DVD and the image processor is the best on the market, the processor found in 10-megapixel projectors.

The most notable feature however is that color is upconverted to 16 bits, meaning that each picture can have up to 2,800 trillion colors, a number completely unheard of until now. Although Blu-ray outputs 8-bit colors and most TVs can only handle 10-bit, Pioneer correctly says that it is much better to send richer signals and have the TV tone it down than have the TV upscale the Blu-ray data. Also, when TVs move to 16-bit color, you will be there.

Another notable feature is two HDMI out ports which allows users to use one for audio and the other for video, saving bandwidth on each.

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35 user comments

125.8.2008 11:35

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Pioneer adds that this all-in-one box should be able to replace even a high-end snob's CD player, DVD player and current Blu-ray player.

It better for that price tag!

I'll stick with my PS3 for the $1700.00 difference.
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225.8.2008 12:29

Guess I need to upgrade my Walmart "entertainment center" soon.

325.8.2008 13:11
tavek
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50 pounds? WOW u get a work out taking it home, to obad the PS3 is lighter and cheaper. So spec wise it blows ps3 out the water?
Big wow.

425.8.2008 13:22
lynchGOP
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Quote:
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Pioneer adds that this all-in-one box should be able to replace even a high-end snob's CD player, DVD player and current Blu-ray player.

It better for that price tag!

I'll stick with my PS3 for the $1700.00 difference.
Yeah, no doubt!! Pioneer has a massive head on their shoulders that I'd like to chop off. SCAMS!!!! Good product line but until a couple years ago when I became friends with an employee of them and found out that the only difference between Elite and regular is the boards used internally. 3 boards in the TVs in particular. Not worth the 100% increase in price.

525.8.2008 13:28

lol spec wise it blows the ps3 out of the water. can it play games and work perfectly with a media server?

im pretty sure if you were to set up 2 hdtvs one with a ps3 and one with this pioneer you would see no difference in playback quality, and even if you did i highly doubt it would be a $1700 difference.

625.8.2008 14:59

When you spend $2200 on a Blu player alone you want something awesome, although their are way more expensive players, and this delivers.

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Completely made of steel and aluminum the player is mounted to avoid any vibration. There are also no wires inside the player, all the connections have been physically mounted from the circuit board to greatly reduce noise.
Indeed, when you can afford a player this expensive you better not be able to hear it vibrating, that would get annoying when you hear a slight vibration hum over the $60k+ audio system hooked up to this.

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Another notable feature is two HDMI out ports which allows users to use one for audio and the other for video, saving bandwidth on each.
I believe my parents new plasma has this, separate HDMI connections for audio and video, and until reading this article I never saw a use for it. I would guess separate audio and video channels could give you a "cleaner" output as the audio wouldn't need to be separated from the video before being output to the audio system.

Peace

725.8.2008 15:17

Sweet--I was waiting for a blu-ray player that was this expensive.

825.8.2008 15:46

FOUR GB Mem!? *snort*

925.8.2008 16:38

50 lb in weight ? that's almost 23 kg - in other words , it weighs more than a 42 " plasma / LCD TV ? how ridiculous - imagine lugging that back to the shop for repairs...equivalent to a full sized, bulging at the seams suitcase.

1025.8.2008 18:18

Elite BDP-09FD reviews

As some at Afterdawn may have heard, the specs are amazing but not worth the extra $1700, Why the extra cash you ask well its not just a blue-ray play. here i will list the specs of advanced hidden functions within this marvel of a player. the obvious is its mass weight with a built in toaster, microwave, laser Show, pyrotechnics,and a refrigerator. to top it off it has its own built in AI, its purpose is to protect your new purchase with a 1.5 kiloton Hydrogen warhead(Warning do not activate AI after Purchase as sudden movement may make the AI think it is being stolen). Also when it needs repairs the AI will switch from nice blue color to a blood red color. voice of ai will also change from a hot 17 year old British chick,to a 37 year old 800 pound female from America.

there are so many more features, this has been a review by me.

1125.8.2008 18:44

Originally posted by DXR88:
Elite BDP-09FD reviews

As some at Afterdawn may have heard, the specs are amazing but not worth the extra $1700, Why the extra cash you ask well its not just a blue-ray play. here i will list the specs of advanced hidden functions within this marvel of a player. the obvious is its mass weight with a built in toaster, microwave, laser Show, pyrotechnics,and a refrigerator. to top it off it has its own built in AI, its purpose is to protect your new purchase with a 1.5 kiloton Hydrogen warhead(Warning do not activate AI after Purchase as sudden movement may make the AI think it is being stolen). Also when it needs repairs the AI will switch from nice blue color to a blood red color. voice of ai will also change from a hot 17 year old British chick,to a 37 year old 800 pound female from America.

there are so many more features, this has been a review by me.
ROTFLMAO

1225.8.2008 19:46

I feel bad for the people that spent similar amounts on HD DVD players.

1325.8.2008 20:06

No thanks. I'll stick with my HD-DVD collection and DVDs for now.

1425.8.2008 20:35

I was always thinking of buying the ps3 but this blows it away. I will be ordering it next year when I have saved enough in my 401K.

1525.8.2008 20:40

Originally posted by sssharp:
I was always thinking of buying the ps3 but this blows it away. I will be ordering it next year when I have saved enough in my 401K.
Go for it.

Let me know how that works out for you.

1625.8.2008 22:52

Originally posted by core2kid:
I feel bad for the people that spent similar amounts on HD DVD players.
Well, (hmmmmm) ....... When "ordinary" (regular) DVDs first came on the market, I, the early-adopter that I was, bought Sony's TOP Flagship Player for a comparatively cheap $1500 Canadian. They didn't even have a new player in the store, just a demo unit running demo discs ALL DAY LONG, so I had to order mine in from the front desk. (Come to think of it, I had to mail-order-in most of my DVD movies too.)

That player was the most gorgeous thing I had ever seen. (Other than my ex-girlfriend, but I digress....) :P

But $2200 US$ ??? Nah, I'll pass. Man, life is too short for these kinds of prices. (No, I haven't been spoiled by Walmart's $30 dvd player prices). However, it's good to see something concrete in a *superior*, dedicated blu ray unit that isn't, in fact, also a gaming console. Maybe now, we can look forward to economies-of-scale in manufacturing (high number of units manufactured) and the resulting price drops which that entails.

I have to admit though, I have always been impressed with Pioneer Electronics over the years, at least the higher-end versions, and have owned my fair share of Pioneer units. (I currently have one of their PVR's). When they put their mind to it, I have found - and still do - that Pioneer can easily provide the inherent, built-in quality that other manufacturers either can't or won't offer. You can often see this in just their owner manuals alone.

Outside of the specs, this player looks outright *Fabulous!*

1725.8.2008 23:16

lol just the thought of buying this is ridiculous

1825.8.2008 23:35

ooh a niche within a niche ..... if they sell more than 6 it will be a miracle.

1925.8.2008 23:42
mikecUSA
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If It was a BRD-Recorder too, could begin to see the value. $2200 for a player? That's just bullsh*t. Does it have a HDTV Tuner built in ? no? That's bullsh*t too. How about a Terabyte HD built in to store time-shifted shows and homemovies? Didn't think so. There is no reason a high POS equipment wouldn't have all three. I'll wait for the chinese to crank out my effing dream machine. "Elite" my A$$.

2026.8.2008 5:28

@dxr88- you are warped and probably right!

AND for 2200 this thing better do the dishes, scrub the floors and toilets, and massage my smelly feet after a hard day at work!

2126.8.2008 5:48

Originally posted by Hunt720:
ooh a niche within a niche ..... if they sell more than 6 it will be a miracle.
Dunno 'bout that, Hunt.

My anticipation is that it will be a miracle if they can keep up with the demand this model will generate. It's already getting rave reviews, and I suspect that that has a lot more to do with quality and features than the "gosh-wow-gotta-have-this" attitude high-end units like this generate.

Pioneer has always paid attention to detail, and this thing is built like a precision TANK.

It'd be interesting to see if someone could find a posted copy (perhaps in .pdf format) of the owner's manual - which is something I always try to find before I make any important purchases. The manual(s) are generally the final authority and put to rest a lot of nagging questions.

2226.8.2008 6:02

Originally posted by JRude:
FOUR GB Mem!? *snort*
(Yeah), that IS a bit strange, JRude.

One can buy 8 or 16 GB (& larger) SD cards these days with no problem at all. I can't help but think it might be better to slide in (say) a 16 GB SD card and just leave it there for general downloading use. I expect the built-in 4GB memory is just for convenience.

Also, hopefully, - since this thing is BD-Live compatible - it will have the ability to download future firmware upgrades from (say) a central Pioneer website, as they become available. Not that this machine isn't already loaded with features and format decoders as it is.

Is anything in the blu-ray realm missing from this player that people want to see incorporated IN a blu-disc machine? (Bear in mind, this is not a disc recorder, (time shifting recorder ala VHS), tv tuner or projecter. Gotta keep a perspective here. It's a disc *player*, so in that sense, is there anything missing from this machine?
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2326.8.2008 11:05

Yeah, not worth it.


Pioneer does rock tho.

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2426.8.2008 14:16

yep... its missing 2200$ worth of incentive. I'd give it 800 based on those specs. Especially considering for that price any home theater do it yourselfer could provide themselves with soooo much more. It seems geared toward either the rich and lazy .... or the rich and ignorant.

I feel bad for any sales rep that has to push this brick.

2526.8.2008 17:40

ok lets see for that amount we can buy at least 8 or 9 PS3 and have one everywhere in the house including the toilet and still do pretty much the same.

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2626.8.2008 17:51
Dragula96
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Err, not nearly as bad as Goldmund's 17,000 thousand dollar player.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9879105-1.html?=cnetfd.mt

2726.8.2008 19:32

For $2200 it better be able to bring me a beer and make my popcorn for me when I want to watch a movie. If I wanted to spend $2200 on a Movie Player I could build a Media Center PC more powerful than that for cheaper and do a whole lot more.

2826.8.2008 23:16

Originally posted by Hunt720:
yep... its missing 2200$ worth of incentive.....
Well, maybe for you or myself (*I* certainly can't afford one; I could probably get a cheap-but-serviceable car for that amount), but I still think it's nice to have a *proper* standard-bearer to look up to (by "proper" I mean something that doesn't also double-up as a game machine complete with joysticks or game/control pad; something geared exclusively toward home theater), something at the top to which we can compare whatever else we've bought in it's stead.

I think that's incentive-enough to have this machine on the market even though I myself won't be buying it.

Now let's see how Sony, et al, respond to this unit.

2927.8.2008 0:41

SWEET!!! Ima hook it up to my walmart special 27" t.v. in my bedroom with a mono speaker! & a cable jack that is going bad! I can hardly wait!... Did someone tell these guys that the economy isn't doing so great? Even the people that may normally buy this prolly wont buy it! HAHA!

3027.8.2008 11:44

I did build a media center PC.For a lot less.
I am not about to give up My VCR.yet.

3129.8.2008 18:15

Not to be a nudge, but a 16bit panel would capable of generating 281,474,976,710,656
colors

16 bits: 2^16 = 65,536 variations in gradation

65,536 variations in gradation across three colors, Red Green and Blue:
65,536^3 = 281,474,976,710,656 colors total

So while it's an enormous number just the same (literally the square of current 8-bit screens), it's also not the 2,800 trillion mentioned in the article, but rather 280 trillion, a factor of 10x. It's only a zero, difference I guess, but it's akin to seeing an extra zero on your pay check... or God forbid a missing zero, which would quickly make that "nothing" worth something to you.

322.9.2008 0:16

Ahh the insanity of the high end equipment manufactures knows no limits. For that price I can get a PS3 and a nice home theater system. Hell, if I shop around and lower my expectations I can buy a PS3, HT system and a Small Hi-Def TV.

332.9.2008 12:08

Originally posted by DXR88:
Elite BDP-09FD reviews

As some at Afterdawn may have heard, the specs are amazing but not worth the extra $1700, Why the extra cash you ask well its not just a blue-ray play. here i will list the specs of advanced hidden functions within this marvel of a player. the obvious is its mass weight with a built in toaster, microwave, laser Show, pyrotechnics,and a refrigerator. to top it off it has its own built in AI, its purpose is to protect your new purchase with a 1.5 kiloton Hydrogen warhead(Warning do not activate AI after Purchase as sudden movement may make the AI think it is being stolen). Also when it needs repairs the AI will switch from nice blue color to a blood red color. voice of ai will also change from a hot 17 year old British chick,to a 37 year old 800 pound female from America.

there are so many more features, this has been a review by me.
Classic matey, LMAO :-)

348.9.2008 1:27

Tomorrow's junk today.

358.9.2008 2:25
mikecUSA
Inactive

Jeezuhs H keeeerrrrryst! lduych, I Couldntasaiditbettermussefff!

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