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Droid 2 explodes, injuring Texas man

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 03 Dec 2010 0:01 User comments (79)

Droid 2 explodes, injuring Texas man Aron Embry of Texas has claimed today that his brand new Droid 2 smartphone exploded while he was making a call this morning, injuring his ear, neck and face.
Says Embry: "I heard a pop. I didn't feel any pain initially. I pulled the phone down. I felt something dripping. I realized that it probably was blood. I went into the house and as I got into the bathroom and once I got to the mirror and saw it, it was only then I kinda looked at my phone and noticed the screen had appeared to burst outward."

He then drove to his wife's job and they called 911, while also taking pictures of the damage.

His wife, Kara, had thought Aron had been in a car crash due to the massive amount of blood coming from his neck and face.

After four hours in the ER, Embry says the doctors told him he had no hearing loss or permanent damage to his eardrum.

One mobile expert, Daniel Harrison, tells Fox that he isn't convinced the phone just randomly exploded.

"The Droids are fantastic devices. It’s all just a matter of how you care for the device.But it looks to me like it wasn’t something that was just a manufacture defect. It looks like it was actually user caused," says Harrison.

Motorola is looking into it.

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79 user comments

13.12.2010 0:03

Holly crap...gorilla glass exploded? Did they accidentally put C4 in the battery?



23.12.2010 1:14

Hmmm would like to hear the outcome of this one. Sounds more like a manufacturing defect to me but I guess thats something that is very hard to determine since we really don't know how he actually took care of the device.

33.12.2010 2:18

He then drove to his wife's job and they called 911, while also taking pictures of the damage.

Sounds fishy to me. He drives to his spouses place of employment, calls 911 while taking pictures of the damage. Someone must be in debt up to their ears and needs a quick buck.

43.12.2010 2:21

last phone i knew that blew up was a nokia 3210 in India but that was really old and this one is quite new, i mite 2nd that fishy statement as he is doing the it the american way "Sue Em".

53.12.2010 2:21

last phone i knew that blew up was a nokia 3210 in India but that was really old and this one is quite new, i mite 2nd that fishy statement as he is doing the it the American way "Sue Em".

63.12.2010 4:06

I remember that the iPhone 3GS had a lot of "explosion" complaints as well...I think the french government even did an investigation and traced it back to cut-rate batteries. It would not surprise me if motorola was using similar batteries.

What surprises me is that the glass broke...I have only seen one report of broken glass on a droid or a droid 2 (same glass)...and that was from a phone that was crushed by a slammed metal door.


I found something very fishy in what his wife said,
"His wife, Kara, had thought Aron had been in a car crash due to the massive amount of blood coming from his neck and face." [note: not from his face and neck]

Did you see the video? His neck is untouched; no bandages, no burns, no cuts. Then there is the phone...the screen is cracked, but it is not cracked in a way that would allow it to "burst out" and cut you. There is a bit of blood on it, but it appears to have been smeared onto the device with a finger. Very fishy...at least the "exploded" iPhones had pieces of glass missing from the screens.



73.12.2010 5:57

Yes I do not beleive this guy just from the way he was acting. Also from the previous information about the phone and his neck being pointed out that the blood looked smeared but it might have rubbed since he had it next to his head.

83.12.2010 6:49

looking at the video i'd say its a fake.If the phone did explode it would be in pieces not have a little crack on the screen and still work.if you have a cut to the ear blood can appear to be running down your neck.


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93.12.2010 8:34

It blew up, yet the phone still works? The face plate looks pretty intact to me. Someone needs to look closely at the cracks on the faceplate and see if they are caused from internal or external pressure

103.12.2010 10:46

Sounds like the car door hit him on the phone/ear as he was getting into his car & hes to stupid to realise.

No phone would explode & still work!!

113.12.2010 10:47

Here is another thought about this. IF the phone exploded like he says and his ear and neck were hurt....wouldn't his hand also received damage too?? The whole thing sounds fishy to me. Also upon viewing the video...did you notice the side of his neck did not have any marks but the BACK of his neck had some scratches?? Like one person said he was hit by the car door???

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Cheyan

123.12.2010 10:53

Drill a couple holes in a lithium battery then toss it in a bucket of water. Watch what happens. Still, it looks like the guy had his priorities (typically American) aimed at a lawsuit.

133.12.2010 10:56

That's crap, if that battery vented, it wouldn't still power the phone. Looks like a scam to me!

143.12.2010 11:40

To my knowledge, there's nothing that can explode in that area of the phone. It looks like it was dropped. Also the fact that he drove to his wifes work to call 911 makes me think that the injuries are from something else. Also if the phone "exploded" it wouldn't work anymore.

153.12.2010 11:50

WOW...I join the others calling bullsh*t on this one...Obviously a scheme to get some quick cash. I hope they prosecute them when it really does blow up in their face!



Just my $0.02,

dEwMe

163.12.2010 12:36

All you people who claim he's lying should be damn ashamed of yourselves!

Are you really that dumb or stupid to not think that shock can cause people to react in different ways depending on the severity of the incident!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

What's the odds if he is telling the truth, you're all going to look pretty stupid!

At the end of the day, this has just made my decision never to buy a piece of crap phone like a Motorola one even easier!

173.12.2010 13:38

First off the guy looks like an idiot so that is one factor, but he was probably charging the phone while picking up a call or dialing out which is dangerous with Lithium batters. Lithium batteries are dangerous especially Li-Poly’s and can blow up and/or burst into flames even while charging. This isn’t unique only to Lithium it also happens with other batteries like lead/acid car or low cycle batteries like those used in golf carts, but this is rare unless in an over charging situation. Most all cell phones use Lithium batteries and this can and will happen to any cell phone under the right conditions, it’s not an issue to just anyone smart phone(s).

You notice that there isn’t much info about how this happened and probably the gentlemen doesn’t even know what he was doing exactly, just look at his picture, so I certainly wouldn’t say this is the phones fault however I can see us getting big yellow caution labels on new phones now because of dolts like this.

183.12.2010 14:39

I call BS! Why? you ask...

The phone just has cracks in it. I do not see any pieces missing. If the phone exploded and damaged his skin to the point that so much blood was rushing out he had to dial 911 (and not just clean it up and put a band-aid on it), it would mean that parts of the phone acted like flying projectiles.

.... so, where are the missing pieces to the phone? It all looks "intact" to me.


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193.12.2010 14:42

Can any one spell SCAM

203.12.2010 14:47

Why does he have to be lying?


It doesn't look to me like the phone exploded because the screen still seems intact, but it doesn't seem like he's launching a lawsuit?

All the reporter said was "he hasn't got health insurance" and "he's seeking help from motorola.. he's currently looking for a lawyer".. implies all hes after is someone to pay the medical expenses, which a lawyer would help to do (+ lawyer's costs)

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SmokeThis2006

213.12.2010 15:15

Well...I'll cut the guy some slack as far as sounding kinda clueless...I'm sure he's on a fair amount of painkillers.

It's a brand new phone...so there shouldn't be a cheap knockoff battery in it. Possibly, he had a knockoff charger plugged in to his lighter and was talking while it charged?

I've seen someone almost burn the crap out of themselves trying to mess with a blackberry battery. He managed to short it, and part of it got so hot that a small part of it melted. The problem with that scenario, though, is that the battery was rendered useless at that point. The phone would not keep working.

It *COULD* have been a short in the camera, speaker, or the LED used for the camera flash.

It sounds suspicious, but I'll wait for the investigation to conclude before making a decision...

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223.12.2010 15:41

Originally posted by RuneJayce:
All you people who claim he's lying should be damn ashamed of yourselves!

Are you really that dumb or stupid to not think that shock can cause people to react in different ways depending on the severity of the incident!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

What's the odds if he is telling the truth, you're all going to look pretty stupid!

At the end of the day, this has just made my decision never to buy a piece of crap phone like a Motorola one even easier!

Did I miss a </sarcasm> or something?

I hope we hear when they bust these morons!!!


Just my $0.02,

dEwMe

233.12.2010 15:43

It is certainly possible folks. I use the batteries from cell phones to power my radio controlled model airplanes (Li-Poly) and we have had several of them explode, some quite violently but it is usually the operators fault. If you charge them at a higher rate than specified they will puff up and explode. If you accidently poke one of them with a sharp object and penetrate the protective cover they will explode so I know they will explode and/or erupt into flame and smoke. I would wait until the engineers examine the battery to see what caused it and it may well be a manufacturing fault.

Bob


Corderbo-N-Texas

243.12.2010 16:35

Originally posted by dEwMe:
Originally posted by RuneJayce:
All you people who claim he's lying should be damn ashamed of yourselves!

Are you really that dumb or stupid to not think that shock can cause people to react in different ways depending on the severity of the incident!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

What's the odds if he is telling the truth, you're all going to look pretty stupid!

At the end of the day, this has just made my decision never to buy a piece of crap phone like a Motorola one even easier!

Did I miss a </sarcasm> or something?

I hope we hear when they bust these morons!!!

Oh I'm SOOOOOOO sorry for forgetting to add the sarcasm tag!</sarcasm>

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Oh I forgot, this is America, they don't do that sort of thing there!</sarcasm>

253.12.2010 16:41

I repeat....no damage done to his hand!! If he had been holding it to his ear..why didn't his hand have some damage?? Wouldn't he have received some burns or cuts to his hand that was holding the phone?????


Cheyan

263.12.2010 17:09

Originally posted by RuneJayce:
Originally posted by dEwMe:
Originally posted by RuneJayce:
All you people who claim he's lying should be damn ashamed of yourselves!

Are you really that dumb or stupid to not think that shock can cause people to react in different ways depending on the severity of the incident!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

What's the odds if he is telling the truth, you're all going to look pretty stupid!

At the end of the day, this has just made my decision never to buy a piece of crap phone like a Motorola one even easier!

Did I miss a </sarcasm> or something?

I hope we hear when they bust these morons!!!

Oh I'm SOOOOOOO sorry for forgetting to add the sarcasm tag!</sarcasm>

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Oh I forgot, this is America, they don't do that sort of thing there!</sarcasm>
You say don't condemn the guy but you condemn Motorola so how does that work, what a hypocrite you are, your comments are worthless.

273.12.2010 17:46

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by RuneJayce:
Originally posted by dEwMe:
Originally posted by RuneJayce:
All you people who claim he's lying should be damn ashamed of yourselves!

Are you really that dumb or stupid to not think that shock can cause people to react in different ways depending on the severity of the incident!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

What's the odds if he is telling the truth, you're all going to look pretty stupid!

At the end of the day, this has just made my decision never to buy a piece of crap phone like a Motorola one even easier!

Did I miss a </sarcasm> or something?

I hope we hear when they bust these morons!!!

Oh I'm SOOOOOOO sorry for forgetting to add the sarcasm tag!</sarcasm>

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Oh I forgot, this is America, they don't do that sort of thing there!</sarcasm>
You say don't condemn the guy but you condemn Motorola so how does that work, what a hypocrite you are, your comments are worthless.
So why are my comments worthless if I say that I think Motorola phones are crap?

If I want to condemn Motorola, I'll damn well condemn them if I want to!

As I said before, I believe he's innocent and those who are willing to condemn him because they think 2+" = 5 are going to look like stupid idiots when it's proven that he's innocent!

283.12.2010 18:05

Wow RuneJayce you truly are inept aren’t you, WOW!

293.12.2010 18:36

Now I can't say whether it's true or not but it sounds fishy only because if the phone was held up to his ear, wouldn't the doctor have found glass inside his ear and quite possibly a lacerated or ruptured eardrum? (Depending on the force involved mind you) Not to mention some hand injuries ie minor burns or lacerations?

I dunno doesn't motorola do testing to see worst-case scenarios on their phones prior to being released to the public market? (Ie lets overcharge the battery to see what happens or what happend if we run it pver with a car, etc.)

303.12.2010 18:54

Originally posted by XENON:
Now I can't say whether it's true or not but it sounds fishy only because if the phone was held up to his ear, wouldn't the doctor have found glass inside his ear and quite possibly a lacerated or ruptured eardrum? (Depending on the force involved mind you) Not to mention some hand injuries ie minor burns or lacerations?

I dunno doesn't motorola do testing to see worst-case scenarios on their phones prior to being released to the public market? (Ie lets overcharge the battery to see what happens or what happend if we run it pver with a car, etc.)
I agree it is very fishy as his hand would get the brunt of this. As to Motorola testing goes they would only put the prototype phones through aggressive testing, as to the manufacturing line they would only check to see if it powers up and acquires signal.

313.12.2010 20:04
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
I remember that the iPhone 3GS had a lot of "explosion" complaints as well...I think the french government even did an investigation and traced it back to cut-rate batteries. It would not surprise me if motorola was using similar batteries.

What surprises me is that the glass broke...I have only seen one report of broken glass on a droid or a droid 2 (same glass)...and that was from a phone that was crushed by a slammed metal door.


I found something very fishy in what his wife said,
"His wife, Kara, had thought Aron had been in a car crash due to the massive amount of blood coming from his neck and face." [note: not from his face and neck]

Did you see the video? His neck is untouched; no bandages, no burns, no cuts. Then there is the phone...the screen is cracked, but it is not cracked in a way that would allow it to "burst out" and cut you. There is a bit of blood on it, but it appears to have been smeared onto the device with a finger. Very fishy...at least the "exploded" iPhones had pieces of glass missing from the screens.
my droids glass broke by just dropping it two feet it shattered everywhere! i was glad it wasn't my daughter carrying it! thank god no one was hurt!

323.12.2010 21:06

Originally posted by RuneJayce:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by RuneJayce:
Originally posted by dEwMe:
Originally posted by RuneJayce:
All you people who claim he's lying should be damn ashamed of yourselves!

Are you really that dumb or stupid to not think that shock can cause people to react in different ways depending on the severity of the incident!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

What's the odds if he is telling the truth, you're all going to look pretty stupid!

At the end of the day, this has just made my decision never to buy a piece of crap phone like a Motorola one even easier!

Did I miss a </sarcasm> or something?

I hope we hear when they bust these morons!!!

Oh I'm SOOOOOOO sorry for forgetting to add the sarcasm tag!</sarcasm>

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Oh I forgot, this is America, they don't do that sort of thing there!</sarcasm>
You say don't condemn the guy but you condemn Motorola so how does that work, what a hypocrite you are, your comments are worthless.
So why are my comments worthless if I say that I think Motorola phones are crap?

If I want to condemn Motorola, I'll damn well condemn them if I want to!

As I said before, I believe he's innocent and those who are willing to condemn him because they think 2+" = 5 are going to look like stupid idiots when it's proven that he's innocent!
Mate you going by this the total wrong way. You can't condemn Motorola to "being crap" if you're judging by this and believe in innocent until proven guilty cuz it applies to both the apparent "victim (the man)" here and the apparent "suspect (motorola" too.

But Mr-Movies is a bit wrong by saying "your comments are worthless" as well, because they hold some truths. It's just that your contradicting yourself that makes your entire comment seem worthless since, that's what a contradiction is. An end result that cancels out the beginning, thus no point proven = worthlessness.

SmokeThis2006

333.12.2010 21:47

Originally posted by Zealousi:
last phone i knew that blew up was a nokia 3210 in India but that was really old and this one is quite new, i mite 2nd that fishy statement as he is doing the it the american way "Sue Em".
Believe me there are all kinds of dicey batteries floating around in the Indian market. The one that exploded probably used one of those el cheapo US$ 5/- replacement batteries. Come to think of it I haven't seen a single genuine CR2032 batteries - kind used on motherboards and old time digital diaries - in a very long while like almost 10 years. All you get are Chinese duplicates repackaged in India and marked as the real thing.

343.12.2010 22:04

i call bs. the phone doesnt look exploded. no burn marks. blook does look smeared. lcd screen is a thin layer film. there is glass or plastic in the display with LEDs that do not explode. capacitors can pop but those kind are not in a phone. resistors and diodes can pop as well but they are so small in a phone.

if the battery blew up the phone would not continue to ring.

i will point out one thing though, when a battery blows it can pop out at a casing seam or something releasing gas build up and jet out anywhere. so a battery popping and shooting out near the speaker is plausible in a given situation. all depends on phone design and location of battery. but not this one. can't see it breaking the glass/plastic face.

353.12.2010 22:27

Originally posted by biglo30:
Hmmm would like to hear the outcome of this one. Sounds more like a manufacturing defect to me but I guess thats something that is very hard to determine since we really don't know how he actually took care of the device.
Yeah right. When I get injured I always drive to where my wife works and the call 911, and all this while taking pics of the "damage". I hope he atleast had enough since to pull over and take the pics!

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363.12.2010 23:45

everybody!!!! watch your comments as both parties are innocent til found otherwise. this is same situation with quantas airlines & rolls-royce about the airbus 380 engine that blew. each blame the other but now appears to be rolls-royce is at fault for faulty assembly.

373.12.2010 23:50

Originally posted by ddp:
everybody!!!! watch your comments as both parties are innocent til found otherwise. this is same situation with quantas airlines & rolls-royce about the airbus 380 engine that blew. each blame the other but now appears to be rolls-royce is at fault for faulty assembly.
uh oh sounds like ddp might be bringing out the "banhammer"!! ;o)

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384.12.2010 4:06

Originally posted by corderbo:
It is certainly possible folks. I use the batteries from cell phones to power my radio controlled model airplanes (Li-Poly) and we have had several of them explode, some quite violently but it is usually the operators fault. If you charge them at a higher rate than specified they will puff up and explode. If you accidently poke one of them with a sharp object and penetrate the protective cover they will explode so I know they will explode and/or erupt into flame and smoke. I would wait until the engineers examine the battery to see what caused it and it may well be a manufacturing fault.

Bob
As others have said, Li-On batteries don't work after they explode! The battery in this phone still works, so clearly the battery did not explode. If it wasn't the battery, then what else could it be? I highly doubt the antenna exploded...I don't think the SIM card or microSD card did either. Perhaps the plastic casing itself transfigured into an explosive? Can you honestly think of anything on any phone that could explode other than the battery?

That said, the battery might still be to blame...it is possible that the guy was getting out of his car, and he grabbed his phone and slammed the door at the same time. The charger was still connected, so he only got the phone to the doorsill by the time the door slammed, causing minor hand injuries and the destruction of the phone.

BTW...his wife clearly knows that he is full of crap because she is full of crap. He can use the painkillers as an excuse for sounding like he is telling a lie...what is the wife's excuse for sounding like a 5-year-old making up a story for how the soda got spilled on the carpet?


394.12.2010 6:07

Originally posted by ddp:
everybody!!!! watch your comments as both parties are innocent til found otherwise. this is same situation with quantas airlines & rolls-royce about the airbus 380 engine that blew. each blame the other but now appears to be rolls-royce is at fault for faulty assembly.
Thank God there's a Mod out there with common sense!

He's right! At the end of the day, both parties are innocent until proven guilty PLUS Gorilla Glass isn't immune from being broken either!

404.12.2010 11:56

Ok folks. Tell me something. When you have something like that happen who do you call first? Do you call paramedics? Do you call your spouse? Only call spouse when you need someone to backup your story. Get emergency help first! Common sense, huh? Oh, but then I forget there are some who have NO common sense.

414.12.2010 14:01

LoL...he didn't call his spouse...that would have been too quick, and he might have scraped his ear on the rough glass. Instead he drove all the way to her office, and then waited for someone else to come and take him to the hospital. Yup...that sounds like a man that is in a hurry.

BTW...I know Gorilla Glass isn't break-proof (even diamonds can be destroyed), but it is virtually shatter proof. Even after being hit hard enough to cause a break, there are multiple layers of rubberish plastic throughout...you may get shards, but they won't be able to come flying out (as the video shows).



424.12.2010 15:43

Originally posted by KillerBug:
BTW...I know Gorilla Glass isn't break-proof (even diamonds can be destroyed), but it is virtually shatter proof. Even after being hit hard enough to cause a break, there are multiple layers of rubberish plastic throughout...you may get shards, but they won't be able to come flying out (as the video shows).
Exactly there's no such thing as shatter PROOF only more shatter RESISTANT.

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434.12.2010 19:15
kefjds1
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Why didn't he call 911 first.. oh wait his phone blew up

444.12.2010 19:19

Hummmmm, Land Phone?


Cheyan

454.12.2010 21:34

No one close to where he was would have a cell phone either I'm sure since they are very rare these days. Plus if he is going to drive to his girlfriend’s work and call 911 why not just drive to the ER?? That's what I would do it's not like he is crippled and can't drive obviously since he drove to his girlfriend’s work.

After looking at the phone again, I must say it does look like the battery did blow though the face plate and that could happen. His actions may seem fishy, but considering he isn't the brightest bulb in the pack, not even close, may explain his poor actions. I don't buy the techs statement, he only said what company policy wanted/expects him to say.

Again an expensive or cheap battery can do this, just because you spend $80 for a battery doesn’t mean it can’t blow up.

465.12.2010 2:40

everybody!!!! watch your comments as both parties are innocent til found otherwise. this is same situation with quantas airlines & rolls-royce about the airbus 380 engine that blew. each blame the other but now appears to be rolls-royce is at fault for faulty assembly.

That's the beauty of free speech.

475.12.2010 9:46

think the guy is genuine, if you get a nick on the face or ear
you can loose loads of blood, anyhow you would not want this to happen to your self, and have all the hassle of courts and law suits now would you, so give the guy a break . never new there was so many, crime investigators on the web mumping there gums

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485.12.2010 14:18

Makes no difference whether this guy gets a settlement or not because he's already been paid by Apple to make his claim. Who wants an exploding phone when you can get an Iphone that you can't call anyone on but at least you don't burn your face.

495.12.2010 14:53

Originally posted by dmcelroy:
think the guy is genuine, if you get a nick on the face or ear
you can loose loads of blood
You can lose a lot of blood depending on the location, the length and depth of the laceration and the cuts proximity to major arteries/veins. you might also invest in a spell/grammar checker. as a few of your words are incorrect. (new should be Knew) just an FYI. and as to your comment about criminal investigators...1 it's called common sense and 2 It's a thing called first aid/EMT training.

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505.12.2010 15:25

Originally posted by 20TONS:
He then drove to his wife's job and they called 911, while also taking pictures of the damage.

Sounds fishy to me. He drives to his spouses place of employment, calls 911 while taking pictures of the damage. Someone must be in debt up to their ears and needs a quick buck.

My sentiments too. I wonder how many minutes elapsed between calling 911 and his lawyer? He plans to sue (of course). Ka-ching...

515.12.2010 15:30

Goin fishing anyone?


Cheyan

525.12.2010 15:32

First off no one here can enforce any punishment on either party so let’s get off the trial nonsense, this is not a court of law last I checked. This article is here for people to discuss and state their opinions right or wrong otherwise why even have the discussion, right!

20TONS says watch what you say but then says “That's the beauty of free speech” talk about contradictions, please.

You can state your case one way or the other, people may find fault in that and let you know, which is how we learn or choose to not learn, but when you contradict yourself well that makes no sense then.

Now to rockjockey's comment as to Apple paying this guy off? Is that true? I didn’t see that anywhere in this article so again is it fact or fiction? If it is your belief then you should say Apple PROBABLY paid this guy to file suite or make a statement.

536.12.2010 9:24

My two cents (apologies, long post)

At 1.33 there is a very good shot of the phone. From that angle, there is NO external bulging of the screen or the case. None whatsoever. If the phone exploded, then there would be a 'bulge' somewhere. There is none.

It appears (only appears, as this may be an optical illusion) that there is indentation in the speaker area, consistent with force being applied externally to the area.

The damage is mainly located at the top of the phone, the cracks appear to radiate downwards from the speaker area. The large drack running from the lower righthand side up to the centre, and another from mid-edge to centre, are caused from a force different to that which caused the damage at the top of the screen, and as the cracks show they started from the edge and moved inwards. I'd suggest that this was damage sustained perhaps as a result of the phone being dropped. And as a result of a greater force than that which caused the damage to the top, as the cracks are deeper and longer.

The markings on the mans cheeks and neck? Well, we can't see the damage to his ear, so we cannot speculate if they are related. They look several days old, scabbed over for example. If we assume the phone did explode, given the locality of the damage (top of screen), and the juxtaposition of that area to the cheek and nech - its to hard to see how the cheeks and neck would have been damaged - there is no line-of-sight between the ear and the injuries, and fragments do not turn corners (although it is possible to follow contours).

Furthermore the marks would show a trajectory path, and if they remained in the skin would have a gouge that its shallow at one end and deeper at another, following the straight-line trajectory of the fragment.

Which neatly leads to the question, 'what fragments'? Fragments have to come from somewhere; frgaments of glass, frgaments of platsic casing. And the phone shows no sign of fragmentation at all. There are no missing pieces of phone nor screen, anywhere, in the front of the phone, nor the side that would be facing the nech. We cant see the r/h side, but there are no apparent protruding casing, consistent with an internal exploding force (think chestburster in Alien).

Finally, explosions do no work one-way. There is an equal force pushing in the other direction, in this case against his hand, which would have pushed it away from his head.

The blood marks are, imho, inconclusive. They are smeared, but then the phone has been handled several times.

My call - and I stress its only my opinion but I'm prepared to explain how I arrived at it - the phone suffered external damage.

546.12.2010 12:15

alewis, actually some explosions do only go 1 way & is caused by a shaped charge\directional blast.

556.12.2010 12:33

Thats not quite the same. Explosives follow the line of least resistance, but only to a degree. There is still a force in the opposite direction. A shaped charge, such as a cutting charge or a beehive boring charge operate by having a weaker charge face. This in turn (often a soft metal such as copper) forms a molten slug. The shape of the charge concentrates the force of the forward explosion, the slug assists with (or performs all of, it varies) the cutting.

There is still a not inconsiderable 'back blast'; which why Claymores, for example (which are directional) have a minimum safe range, as do the various cutting and boring charges. If you want to test it, feel free to stand behind a shaped charge... though I wouldn't recommend it :-)


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566.12.2010 12:43

Quote:
Explosives follow the line of least resistance
then explain shaped charges used against battle tanks.

576.12.2010 12:55

What is to explain? The line of least resistance is the gap between the base of the charge, and the tank hull. A shaped charge

front (or face)

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Not meaning to teach you to suck eggs, if you consider the * as the propellant, the \/ as the charge liner, then the area between \/ is the area of least resistance. Off-route mines are a common example of this. A-T mines, such as the bar mine, all act inthe same way. The path of *least* resistance is upwards. RDK another - put simply, palletised demolition charges dropped on a bridge and initiated. MOST of the blast is wasted upwards and outwards, but sufficient charge will penetrate the bridge structure beneath. Hence why it is called "rapid demolition kit" and not "efficient demolition it"; it can be dropped off the back of a lorry, and initiators added, in a matter of minutes. Unlike precise cutting charges which need prior dem calcs, affixing to structure, precise det cord calcs, etc.


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586.12.2010 16:13

Originally posted by alewis:
What is to explain? The line of least resistance is the gap between the base of the charge, and the tank hull. A shaped charge

front (or face)

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Not meaning to teach you to suck eggs, if you consider the * as the propellant, the \/ as the charge liner, then the area between \/ is the area of least resistance. Off-route mines are a common example of this. A-T mines, such as the bar mine, all act inthe same way. The path of *least* resistance is upwards. RDK another - put simply, palletised demolition charges dropped on a bridge and initiated. MOST of the blast is wasted upwards and outwards, but sufficient charge will penetrate the bridge structure beneath. Hence why it is called "rapid demolition kit" and not "efficient demolition it"; it can be dropped off the back of a lorry, and initiators added, in a matter of minutes. Unlike precise cutting charges which need prior dem calcs, affixing to structure, precise det cord calcs, etc.
Very simple but excellent analogy on physics! So if you have a bubble towards one side of the battery face, which can happen, you have your gap (least amount or restriction) and therefore the burst will follow that direction.

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Kudos again A.Lewis

596.12.2010 18:21

Yes, that could well be the case (no pun intended). Explosives are funny things; you can burn them, throw them, shoot them, and nothing happens (stable explosives, I hasten to add - I wouldn't do any of that with PETN). 8oz (200grams) of PE4/C4 is enough to wreck a power station, yet in other situations a tiny mistake in placing a charge and several pounds/kilos wont do the job.

One of the few times Hollywood 'got it right' - Jason Isaacs' character in Armageddon, explaining how it is relatively safe to ignite a firecracker in an open palm, but close one's fingers around it... no more fingers.

I'd be interested in the outcome. But will there be any interest in it...

FYI. There is no human problem that cannot be solved by the correct application of the appropriate amount of high explosive, the appropriate amount being derived by the formula 'P', where 'P' = PLENTY :-)


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606.12.2010 19:27

Ok, here's what I saw. There are DEFINITELY small shards of glass missing, around the speaker and from the cracks. Glass doesn't have to fully break thru/out to get small shards flying off of the surface, so the fact that there's no big holes in it is irrelevant. Look closely from about 25 seconds on and you can easily see a sizeable shard missing from the top crack near the end, and from around the speaker hole, as well as other little areas. Looking from 1:39 on you can easily see where shards of glass are missing as well. From that it looks like the speaker area sustained the most damage as it's quite pitted.
To the tune of 4 stitches tho...hmmm. I'm a 23 year Paramedic/Firefighter (Captain) and I have seen literally 1000's of glass cuts & very weird injuries, but for small shards like that to cause an injury worthy of stitches, they either were travelling at a very high velocity, or he rubbed at them in the wound (or the other scenario...faked).
To another poster, glass usually breaks from the weakest areas first, and the weakest areas are always around the edges and any holes cut into it, unless there's a faulty area in the glass itself. So the radiating cracks really don't tell you much here except there was pressure applied. What kind of pressure and where it originated is indeterminable from this video.

Excessive bleeding from the ear, scalp area is very common, there are extensive small capillaries in these areas and they can bleed like mad from small injuries.
As for the cause of this damage, it's impossible to determine from this short video, even for a trained eye (and I am highly trained in explosives), so I make no comment on the cause of this as that's pure speculation at this point. I'm sure it will be tested vigorously.
I'm sure we don't need C4, PETN or Claymore's to cause a small pressure wave either..;) (I think "explosion" is a poor choice of word here)

Even a small arc of a shorting wire in that area "could" cause enough pressure behind the glass to cause that damage, if the speaker area is well sealed (maybe??), I've definitely seen weirder things in my job. It also could be completely fake too, but it's not for us to determine in the AD courts, otherwise some in here would hang the poor bugger from the nearest IPod!

617.12.2010 5:39

@ChappyTTV

:-)

I was going to add at one point a comment along the line of "but I could well be wrong, and am prepared in advance to be first to eat my hat", but couldn't think of a concise way to phrase it. I think we are in agreement that pyro can behave perfectly unexpectedly, and pressure fronts can be affected in the most bizarre manner by the smallest anomaly (perfect example of chaos theory, not that I'd try it).

of course, all of this speculation; I'll ROFLMAO if android phones had a HESH effect defect though. There again, maybe the glass had been weakened by sunshine/cleaning fluid/etc, as you rightly say this is all speculation and opinion, and it isnt down to us.

Hang him from the nearest iPod - love it :-) But I can think of a better way

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627.12.2010 11:45

@alewis

LOL!
Yep, we can speculate all we want, be we just don't have the info or resources to judge with confidence.
Life is strange and full of strange...stuff (wanted to use another term there), and I've seen stuff that nobody could imagine happening, even me. As we both know, it's impossible to know anything for sure at this point.
Isn't it funny to hear how some can jump to inconclusive conclusions? ;)
BTW, I Love your formula for solving problems!
We blew up a school bus in the Police bomb pit here last summer, man was that ever COOL, but VERY sobering at the same time.Forensic investigation is damn hard work.

Later dude
Dave

637.12.2010 13:26

Dave :-)

Drop me a PM with an email address, we'll pull up a sandbag and swap stories - I dont think this is the place to mention how I caused a minor panic in BAOR >20 years ago by detonating off a "large nuclear simulator", or the effects of improvised AP weaponry on Fig 11 targets and any unfortunate livestock in the not-so-near vicinity!

Al


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647.12.2010 13:32

alewis, 500+ tons of tnt or equivalent?

657.12.2010 13:54

Nah, 40gal oil drum on 6ft pickets, diesel/oil mix, couple boxes washing powder, and a few pounds of PE4. Not a huge bang, but the mushroom cloud reaches >1000ft and makes for very happy squaddies.


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667.12.2010 15:40

@Al

Will do dude.
I'm right in the middle of a new home move, take possession Dec 24...(dang expensive X-mas gift!!), and am swamped with all the little details involved ATM.
What's your squad?
I was in the Canadian Militia (reserves 71-74) with the Royal Regina Rifles (formerly the Regina Rifle Regiment), and then a St.SGT with Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI 3rd Batt. Airborne) as a Paratroop Instructor in CFB Edmonton AB. When they found out I was an experienced skydiver since 72, they called me in 76 and asked if I wanted to do a special 1 yr enlistment to help instruct, with rank adjustment. We were a Mechanized Brigade and did tons of explosives training too, twas literally a Blast on many days.
Gotta run, lots of stuff to do.

Dave

677.12.2010 17:31

Wow Chappy talk about having your hands full..not to mention being in the "Pat's" Bet you've got a LOT of stories to tell! :-D


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687.12.2010 18:58

I did as little as possible for 13 years ;-)

Royal Engineers. Visited the worlds septic spots, blew up perfectly good bridges, then built replacement ones next to them. Usually in the rain, often very cold, and always very tired. But you have PM

Good luck with the house move. I think I moved 18times in 13 years when "in", and 7 times since "out". Hate it, swear blind each time will be last!


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697.12.2010 19:21

Originally posted by XENON:
Wow Chappy talk about having your hands full..not to mention being in the "Pat's" Bet you've got a LOT of stories to tell! :-D
You know the Princess Pats eh! Must be Canuck...and/or somewhere near the Queen City, hockey wise ;) (Go Pats)

A few, many moons have passed since those days, but yah, a story or 2. Prolly the most memorable, and gory, was doing live fire exercise with 50cal M2 machine gun on tripod. One gunny had too many long cyclic bursts and got his barrel red hot. As he stopped to change barrels during a rotation, the gun cooked-off (ignition of rounds due to temp) and tore some poor fool downrange near in half.
But most of my time in the Pats was teaching the new canopy hawks how NOT to become a greasy stain on the tarmac haha!

Word to the wise here....NEVER, EVER, EVER, move near X-mas-New Years, and never walk in front of a hot, loaded M2!

BTW, how did we ever get so off-topic here?
Sorry Mods ;)
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707.12.2010 22:16

lol Chappy no not near the Queen City. Actually in Toronto.

But yeah I can imagine the poor schumck down range. garbage bags and toe tags!


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717.12.2010 22:23

me, just south of barrie which is east of base borden.

727.12.2010 22:41

Nice!!


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737.12.2010 22:41

Didya get a lot of snow ddp?

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747.12.2010 22:47

close to a foot & still coming down.

757.12.2010 22:50

We got maybe a bout half an inch just enough to get things white but that's it lol could be near london they got over 3 feet of the stuff!


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767.12.2010 23:03

the reason TO only has about 1/2" is because of all the politicians who are full of hot air.

777.12.2010 23:08

lol like that in Ottawa too!


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788.12.2010 13:56

Hey guys

Bags-o-Canucks here!
I saw in the news last night how ON is getting hammered with snow...can't remember the name of the smaller town, but they got 5' in 2 days, ouch.
We're not so bad, more snow than usual for Nov. early Dec, but the wind is pickin up & that's never good, but always expected in SK, -30 for Sat.
How about Le Coupe Grey this year eh...dang, so close again, but a 2nd year QB and 2 Grey Cups, both close games...the future is bright. Argo's had a better year too and I wonder if Lemon is going to mature into the position. At least Barker rallied the team after the Andrus fiasco and they had a respectable record.
Well, I have to start packing stuff, gawd I'm gonna Hate the next few weeks.
Later dudes!
Dave

798.12.2010 14:13

london area got that amount of snow.

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