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Biography details Steve Jobs' anger over Android

Written by Rich Fiscus (Google+) @ 21 Oct 2011 5:11 User comments (29)

Biography details Steve Jobs' anger over Android A biography of Steve Jobs, set to go on sale Monday, goes into detail about his near obsession with Android.
Walter Isaacson worked on the book for more than 2 years, interviewing Jobs multiple times, as well as numerous friends, family members, colleagues, and competitors of the visionary, and sometimes abrasive, Apple co-founder.

According to an AP article on the book, it paints a picture of Jobs as a man dedicated to destroying Android. He described Android as, "a stolen product."

Jobs recounted turning down an offer from Google's Eric Schmidt to settle an Android related lawsuit. He told Schmidt:

I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want.


Of course, Steve Jobs had no aversion to copying ideas from others. In a 1994 interview he famously laid out a completely different philosophy when he said:

Picasso had a saying. He said, "Good artists copy. Great artists steal," and we have, you know, always been shameless about stealing great ideas.


He was talking about the development of the Macintosh. The ideas Apple "stole" for the Mac came from Xerox.

The difference is that Apple copied Xerox technology after licensing it. Of course, another difference is Apple's refusal to license their phone technology to other handset vendors.

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29 user comments

121.10.2011 7:15

Does not play well with others.

221.10.2011 7:40

hahaahah, umm no, yo copy android's notification bar, voice action, which is android, now you call it Siri, background running apps was before ANY of your crapple phones, so YOU STOP copying ANDROID. I know your dead, and i thought i give you respect, but no, after this news, I'm actually don't want to give you respect at all.


Being nice always has its own consequences

321.10.2011 7:48

Steve Jobs was a hypocrite, this isn't really news.

421.10.2011 9:11

I just saw that Discovery is having a TV special "iGenius: How Steve Jobs Changed the World."
When the man did almost NOTHING compared to Dennis Ritchie who died 7 days later.
Steve Jobs was a dick I've always hated him and will always hate him. I respect him for being as bright as he and for his aptitude at making money. But this man was no where the Genius of Dennis Ritchie. DMR was man WORTH remembering and deserves a proper show of respect. Not completely forgotten under the shadow of the Death of the biggest Con-Artist and Hypocrite of the century.

RIP DMR


Carpe Noctem

521.10.2011 9:17

It is a stolen product.
I'd be angry too if someone so slavishly copied my product.

621.10.2011 9:28

What exactly did Android copy robertmro? I'm curious

721.10.2011 9:41

I'm sure it did piss off Steve Jobs that Android became the most popular phone OS and yet it was open source. Jobs (and Apple) are control freaks. They herd all their little sheep into the iCorral where they can control everything they do. I thank God every day for Android. The iPhone was a huge innovation. Android simply improved on that and ended up doing it better. This is nothing but sour grapes.

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821.10.2011 9:58

I wonder if the majority of iPoop people know who Steve Wozniak is?
Oh, he was only the engineer who designed the Apple prototypes. Guess Woz doesn't have the charisma of a Steve Jobs. Because you know, marketing skills and charisma is what it what it takes to be a great design engineer.

Jeff

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921.10.2011 10:12

I wonder how long it will be before there is a Steve Jobs holiday. The way people are carrying on, you'd think God died.

1021.10.2011 10:37

I think robertmo is talking about the beg of android. I mean obviously something was copied otherwise eric wouldnt have offered 5 billion to settle something. He was on apple's board in the beg of iphone stage, probably realized android was too similar to iphone even though it was in the works and then just made it open source and let the manufacturers take on the lawsuits. In the end, im glad android's around as an industry leader and giving more options to consumers.


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1121.10.2011 11:01

He did not offer him 5 billion, Jobs basically said there is no amount I will take I just want them to stop using our ideas in Android. He was a hypocrite that's for sure, steal every other companies good ideas but as soon as you have your own hands off or we sue.

1221.10.2011 11:34

iPhone was based on the Palm, MotoQ, and all other touchscreen phones. Android did the same thing. Apple is the only company that actually bit**es about people copying them when they're the ones to copy people.

1321.10.2011 15:04

Is funny how people are wowing the new IOS5 witch is a copy of android 1.6 that somehow was a copy of the IOS1... i guess is an endless loop for apple!



1422.10.2011 3:07

The Salesman Steve Handsjobs vowed to destroy Android. Ha,ha,ha......

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

......as a teenager perfected staring at people without blinking.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art...d6041476daf2a65

He just was a sick man with a RDF decease
(Reality distortion field, a term coined to describe Steve Jobs' charisma)
http://cnet.co/qMQCFb

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1522.10.2011 5:35

Quote:
A biography of Steve Jobs, set to go on sale Monday, goes into detail about his near obsession with Android.

Quote:
I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank
Near obsession???


1622.10.2011 9:39

You all are a bit harsh and way unappreciative. All the major components of all his major 'inventions' came from someone else. This is not uncommon. His true genius was to take different technologies and assemble them into something very useful. That is why Apple is the richest company in the world.

He was a genius. Mind you I am far from an Apple fanboy.

1722.10.2011 11:09

Genius is a bit of a stretch. Jobs was at the right place at the right time with the true geniuses employed by Apple. He invented nothing....
He was a marketing person.
Like when deodorant was invented. You create a need then fill it.
Tell people their sh** won't stick if you use brand X body odor hider.
People are such sheep. The new Hitler youth.
Jeff

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1822.10.2011 11:10

@Mez Didn't you just back up what most are saying? Apple did not invent, it stole or borrowed, whatever term you want to use.

1922.10.2011 17:37

Originally posted by Hyasuma:
What exactly did Android copy robertmro? I'm curious
I would think the look and feel of the iPhone. I might say the argument might be analogous with the law suit between App1e and M1cros0ft suing over look and feel back in the 90's over windows 95.. The argument Gates had was how can a thief who stole something from one person turn around and sue someone else for stealing the same thing... Xer0x was the first to come up with what we might all see as the current graphical user interface, App1e in copied it from Xerox, and MS copied it from App1e, and the case was eventually dropped or App1e lost, can't remember anymore...

2022.10.2011 22:16

In defense of Android's position on the dispute how can Android be stolen from Apple when it is so much more frustrating to use than Apple's interface designs? (At least 2.2.2.)

2123.10.2011 7:29

Apple invented personal computing they didn't invent computing
Apple took a second look at GUI they added the use of a mouse and more competent software
Apple took a second look at portable mp3 players they made them look better and added competent software. This is the only Apple product I own. I do not use itunes on my computer but I believe itunes on the player is superior to all competition.
Apple improved the Blackberry and created the first smart phone
Then there were the ipads...
Inventing personal computing is enough to gain my respect. The PC was created to crush Apple. IBM thought personal computing was only a fad. They built an open system so they could get other companies to spend most of the R&D money. Open architecture incredibly improved the value of personal computing.
If Steve Jobs didn't invent/improve the above someone else would but that would have been later and probably not as well.

2223.10.2011 8:02

as any commodore/amiga owner from the mid 80's will point out.. crapple were only ever second place when it came to personal computers. what became of them (remember the amiga/cbm desktop from about 1987 with it's nice graphics).. having 90% of the home computer "market" they got big headed and decided only "approved by them" software was allowed, that you bought through them.. 90% to gone in 2 years.. of course people in 89/90 weren't programmed brainwashed sheep like they are now...

anyway.. as for Jobbies.. he's dead, so his "opinion" doesn't matter. he was one of the people like billy "brain" gates who ruined computing with their "pay for it and give us world domination and vast fortunes" schemes. Profiteers don't invent, they steal ideas from others then use their financial muscle to squash any competition.. and that's bad for everybody!!




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2323.10.2011 9:47

Well said ps355528.
The Amiga also had a CLI making it a perfect hackers machine.

The only part of the Amiga I didn't like was the digital joysticks. It was either on or off with no progressive movements like an analog stick.

Funny how the Amiga and Atari digital joysticks were interchangeable. Playing games on my old Amiga with Joysticks from an Atari 2600. :)

Jeff

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2423.10.2011 17:38

I read in an article in Game Informer that when he worked at Atari they had to switch him to night shift because he was a total asshole and no one else wanted to work with him. Just because he's dead doesn't mean he wasn't a total dick... which he probably was.

2524.10.2011 12:57

Quote:
Apple invented personal computing they didn't invent computing
Apple took a second look at GUI they added the use of a mouse and more competent software
Apple took a second look at portable mp3 players they made them look better and added competent software. This is the only Apple product I own. I do not use itunes on my computer but I believe itunes on the player is superior to all competition.
Apple improved the Blackberry and created the first smart phone
Then there were the ipads...
Inventing personal computing is enough to gain my respect. The PC was created to crush Apple. IBM thought personal computing was only a fad. They built an open system so they could get other companies to spend most of the R&D money. Open architecture incredibly improved the value of personal computing.
If Steve Jobs didn't invent/improve the above someone else would but that would have been later and probably not as well.
And Apple didn't invent the tablet either, HP has been making tablets since the 90's. Again he took someone else's idea and improved it, and marketed it better, not create it.

It's like Chevy trying to say Ford copied the Camaro by making the Mustang. Even though the Mustang was first. But just because Chevy copied the concept of the Mustang and improved it, doesn't now make them exclusive to that type of vehicle.

That's all Apple has done. They took someone else's already imagined idea (i.e. Smart phone, MP3 player, Laptop, Tablet) and rearranged and/or improved it, backed it with strong marketing and then claim everyone is copying them.

My case for Android is Apple didn't invent the MP3 player or Tablet, but I can admit they made them more accessible and mainstream. And they sure as hell didn't invent smart phones or apps either. Black Berry has been doing it for years long before Apple even thought about it. All they did in all those different products is make them more accessible and mainstream and....successful. So why is it not ok for another company to do the exact same thing to Apple.

Steve Jobs just had sand in his vagina because for a change someone was able to take something Apple did and improve on it just as he's been doing to other companies for years. And was getting successful from it. Android didn't copy Apple any more than Apple copied Black Berry with the iPhone, or HP with the iPad, or Diamond Rio/Creative with MP3 players. It's called progress, eventually some will make something better. Steve Jobs was only pissed because Android stole a page from his playbook, not the actual device....Boo-F'ing-hoo.

I can say to a certain effect, I'm kinda glad he's gone. not happy he suffered and died. just glad it's the end of his era. Just the last few years listening to all his constant crybaby blathering about Flash, Android and all the personal vendetta lawsuits against companies that are just simply making better products than Apple, just got to be pathetic. He should have retired a long time ago. Lived out his last few years enjoying his success and died in peace instead of spending his last few years as an angry, hate filled, sour puss.
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2624.10.2011 18:44

Now, I never said he wasn't a baby and a prick. He was both of those BIG TIME! Yes and he didn't like it when someone improved his product as he had done to others.

I still believe the world ows him a debt of gratitude, not that he didn't get his pound of flesh.

2725.10.2011 21:44

Imagine a world where there're only Apple, iphone, ipad, no Google, no Android, no open source. Jobs and Apple of course want a monopoly. They make good products. But without competition, how fast do their products get better? Definitely not like now. I think copycats are great. Apple's competition don't just copy. At the end of the day, consumers get the benefit. Personally, lack of choice is my biggest issue against a monopolistic market. Apple fan boys think Apple's way is THE way. When I got fed up with Apple's way of syncing my music on my iphone, I switched to an Android phone. Apple's way sucks for some people.

I'm really sicked and tired of Apple suing everybody for copying them. What wrong with copying ideas? Apple doesn't copy? Did Apple invent smart phone? Did Apple invent tablet? How do you draw the line? I'd say form, function, UI should be all copyable. They are only so many ways to do certain things. A car has to have 4 wheels for example. How can we let anybody patent that form? If only Apple can have swipe to scroll, how else other products implement scroll? Put a freaking scroll wheel on the phone? That practically gives Apple the monopoly even if they created the idea of swipe to scroll (I don't know if they did. Just an example).

I'd say all these patent lawsuits are BS. Samsung, HTC, etc are not putting "Apple" logo on their products. Lexus looks like Mercedes or it doesn't? How can any court decide something looks too much like the other. As long as it doesn't bear the same logo, let the products compete on their own virtues. Users are not stupid if they bought the wrong company's product. This is not counterfeiting we are talking about. Let competition flourish. Ideas are a dime a dozen. Don't let who made it to the patent office decide the fate of products get made and sold.

2825.2.2012 20:29

Originally posted by flyingpen:
I just saw that Discovery is having a TV special "iGenius: How Steve Jobs Changed the World."
When the man did almost NOTHING compared to Dennis Ritchie who died 7 days later.
Steve Jobs was a dick I've always hated him and will always hate him. I respect him for being as bright as he and for his aptitude at making money. But this man was no where the Genius of Dennis Ritchie. DMR was man WORTH remembering and deserves a proper show of respect. Not completely forgotten under the shadow of the Death of the biggest Con-Artist and Hypocrite of the century.

RIP DMR
I have to agree with you. Unfortunately, Jobs gets honored because the changes he made were readily apparent to the average Joe or Jane. While Ritchie made a much more comprehensive contribution, it's not well understood by most people, so he is not given the recognition he deserves.

Another example is how many people would honor Vinton Cerf. As we all know, he is the co-designer/author/inventor of the TCP/IP protocol. Without this protocol, the Internet would not be possible. Very important, yet many people have no idea who he is.

2925.2.2012 20:41

Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
I wonder if the majority of iPoop people know who Steve Wozniak is?
Oh, he was only the engineer who designed the Apple prototypes. Guess Woz doesn't have the charisma of a Steve Jobs. Because you know, marketing skills and charisma is what it what it takes to be a great design engineer.

Jeff
It's interesting how Jobs was quick to complain when about Apple's products be
Originally posted by Mrguss:
The Salesman Steve Handsjobs vowed to destroy Android. Ha,ha,ha......

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

......as a teenager perfected staring at people without blinking.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art...d6041476daf2a65

He just was a sick man with a RDF decease
(Reality distortion field, a term coined to describe Steve Jobs' charisma)
http://cnet.co/qMQCFb
I guess when you consider everything else, the one thing Jobs mastered was being a bigger dick then everyone else.

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