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Warner pushes Netflix into a 56 day delay for new releases

Written by Rich Fiscus (Google+) @ 11 Jan 2012 10:56 User comments (23)

Warner pushes Netflix into a 56 day delay for new releases Warner Bros is pushing DVD and Blu-ray rental outlets to wait nearly two months to offer their new releases to customers.
Yesterday Netflix became the first, and perhaps only, rental outlet to agree to Warner's proposed 56 day delay from the time a movie is released for sale on disc to when it's available to rent. Previously Netflix and Redbox had both agreed to a 28 day window.

Redbox, however, has not agreed to the new terms. That's not surprising considering they were already considering ditching the arrangement when their agreement ends at the end of this month.

If they opt to skip a new deal with Warner entirely, Redbox would actually be able to get new releases sooner by purchasing them from alternate sources. In fact, last October a company spokesman indicated they were prepared to do just that.

Dish Network owned Blockbuster also appears to be balking at Warner's new plan. Of course they were already fighting Warner over the 28 day window, which was extended to brick and mortar rental outlets last year.

Of the three companies, Netflix arguably has the least to lose from extended release windows, while Redbox probably has the most at stake. Netflix relies more on variety for their revenue, while the limited selection offered in a kiosk means Redbox must focus on the most popular titles as much as possible.

Speaking to Bloomberg, entertainment industry analyst Eric Wold pointed out that any additional disc costs for Redbox from opting out of the deal would likely be offset by dropping other conditions of the current agreement. Currently they are not allowed to sell used Warner discs and are required to buy a certain number of straight to video releases.

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23 user comments

111.1.2012 11:56

Greed... It's like taking tasty pastries and making a Hansel & Gretel story out of them. Yeah, I know Russ is off his meds again, give me a second...

You walk up to a supposedly expensive cake store window. Behind the glass you see all kinds of wonderments of confectionery. Like most most people with a sweet tooth you'll walk in wanting to try something, but the prices are just astronomical.

So you settle on a $30 cupcake at least thinking you'll get a 30 minute tastebud-gasm worth mentioning to your friends & ideas for your next significant other when you need help in trouser removal.

Come to find out the damned cupcake is bland with a topping of whipped cream (bland) with a fancy food coloring paint job. No flavoring whatsoever. A popcorn fart in a hurricane. I.e., Hansel & Gretel, but they get eaten; no escape.

Why movie companies force the consumer to OWN a POS movie when it is obvious the rental companies are going to have to buy the things is already a no brainer. Granted, the rental bays will have to pay residuals & not a flat fee for a copy, that's a gift that keeps on giving. But what doesn't the studios know about rentals that their going to make up for it in 60 days of pre-sales to the consumer?

I swear the studios are the worlds worst schizophrenics. They want us to buy, they don't want us to buy.


211.1.2012 12:11

If warner doesn't want me to rent their movies, that is just fine...99% of what they release is crap, so I never buy anything unless I like the rental...so I guess I won't be buying any warner movies before they hit the $9.99 rack.

Now...if they actually wanted to sell me movies at launch price, they would put them on netflix streaming the day they are released on bluray...but why would they want to make a profit?

311.1.2012 12:35

I guess that means I'll just have to buy that copy of Joyful Noise when it hits Blu-ray... Because I'm not willing to wait 56 days to regret wasting my time watching complete garbage.

411.1.2012 12:56

It just astounds me the lengths they go to make me feel less guilty for pirating their movie before it's even released...


Just my $0.02,

dEwMe

511.1.2012 13:02

Money hungry,cant get enough money!Load of trash....

611.1.2012 13:14

This is the same garbage as company that accepted a bribe from Sony to support Blu-Ray exclusively, which in itself is a garbage-ass format. Did anyone expect anything less.

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"Cable thief is a victimless crime."

711.1.2012 13:17

Originally posted by plutonash:
This is the same garbage as company that accepted a bribe from Sony to support Blu-Ray exclusive which in itself is a garbage-ass format. Did anyone expect anything less.
I kinda did... just when I thought I was getting just cynical enough to move on & get another callous on my ass something comes along & reminds me that fell for the, "they removed 'gullible' from the dictionary" stunt again...

811.1.2012 15:01
miracleman
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How much more these companies want from consumers..........i am guessing money is not enough they want blood also. I wouldn't want to imagine them having the right to the air we breath lol.

911.1.2012 16:08

Originally posted by dEwMe:
It just astounds me the lengths they go to make me feel less guilty for pirating their movie before it's even released...

Its not pirating unless you make copies to sell for profit. The legal definition of copyright piracy has never changed from that.

1011.1.2012 17:36

This is the kind of move which promotes the pirating of this stuff.
Netflix was a great way to see movies and pre-screen them before buying.
That is now pretty much out of the window.

Are they trying to put Netflix out of business?
What is their obsession with forcing me to have their disk in my library? What is their love of the disk?

I can't stand disks of any type. BR or DVD. I don't own a disk player (other than the DVD5 burner in my machine)

At one point I had countless disks. I couldn't catalog them and they skipped and just plain sucked.

Streaming sucks... but even that is better than owning the damn disks.

Will the damn disk die already? Please?


Oh, Im sorry... Did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours?

1111.1.2012 23:09

Maybe I'm the patient one. Unless something strikes my fancy in the theater (and at that, a matinee ticket price) I will wait till it hits the budget theater ($2 or less per ticket). Next avenue is to wait for Netflix.

I'm not going to buy ANY movie without watching it, seeing as these Hollywood suits can screw up even a sure thing these days (see Transformers.) I have a backlog long enough that these X amount of day windows don't even phase me anymore.

Better yet, let it air on something like HBO or go to streaming, so I don't need to fuss with mailing a disc back and forth. Fine by me!

1212.1.2012 11:06

And VIOLA! We get an arss opportunity to paste both an ad, spam & resume. Not to mention screaming of tyrannical ILLEGAL! Or at least that what I got from the implication.

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1312.1.2012 13:30

Originally posted by LordRuss:
Originally posted by plutonash:
This is the same garbage as company that accepted a bribe from Sony to support Blu-Ray exclusive which in itself is a garbage-ass format. Did anyone expect anything less.
I kinda did... just when I thought I was getting just cynical enough to move on & get another callous on my ass something comes along & reminds me that fell for the, "they removed 'gullible' from the dictionary" stunt again...

1412.1.2012 13:51

Is something wrong with my browser again!?! I lost you yet again biver... You got us quoted, but your comments didn't make it through.


1513.1.2012 8:41

Again, due to the fact that i am broke (my disposable income per month is equal to about 1 new release DVD) and i have no discount movie theaters within a half an hour drive, they have solidified that if there is a new movie i want to watch i will have to pirate it. It Amazes me on how they think they will make MORE money by making their material LESS available. They push for this and then they will scream about DVD sales plummeting because the ruse of forcing each person to buy it instead of renting will fail. They will scream harder because they will find a way to make the lost sales to rental companies look like piracy expense on their books also.

If i didnt like LOTRO so much i would say the entire WB franchise could go to hell.


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1613.1.2012 10:56

I can agree that these studios will make a penny bleed, but I also find it amazing how people justify their income, or lack thereof, as a reason to pirate/steal. I guess I was raised differently in terms of priorities, sacrifice and if I wanted something bad enough, I'd find a way. I'm just not sure that stealing is that "way".

1713.1.2012 11:11

Originally posted by SProdigy:
I can agree that these studios will make a penny bleed, but I also find it amazing how people justify their income, or lack thereof, as a reason to pirate/steal. I guess I was raised differently in terms of priorities, sacrifice and if I wanted something bad enough, I'd find a way. I'm just not sure that stealing is that "way".
Some of my soldiers told me they were opposed to killing too. It becomes a cruel twist of fate when that situation is faced in combat. I'm sure similar stories have been told by folks that have been raised in good homes that have also found themselves in dire straits (i.e., homeless or on the verge) & stealing bread is the only way to feed the family.

I only play devil's advocate in showing that in real world situations do people find the hypocrisy to what they say. I used to be staunchly against the military & yet I served proudly. 'Time' can change the outcome of one's stance on a position, not everyone is Mitt Romney.

It's just damned easy for these individuals of luxury, who literally suffered for absolutely nothing, (and I do mean NOTHING) to look down their noses in the most condescending fashion & think they are doing everything in the grossest benefit for everyone & think they are doing right. Facts are, they haven't a clue.

1813.1.2012 11:12

Originally posted by SProdigy:
I can agree that these studios will make a penny bleed, but I also find it amazing how people justify their income, or lack thereof, as a reason to pirate/steal. I guess I was raised differently in terms of priorities, sacrifice and if I wanted something bad enough, I'd find a way. I'm just not sure that stealing is that "way".
I had found a way, netflix. I was willing to wait patiently while every one else saw it at theaters, and even the 28 days for them to rake in the disk sales, but forcing me to wait even longer is ridiculous. People like me are NEVER going to buy the disk. They are too expensive, take up too much room, and really i rarely watch a movie more then once so a waste of money.

I do own a VERY select few. they are all ones that i watch repeatedly, therefore i feel like i am more then doing my part.

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1913.1.2012 11:29

Originally posted by Scaldari:
I had found a way, netflix. I was willing to wait patiently while every one else saw it at theaters, and even the 28 days for them to rake in the disk sales, but forcing me to wait even longer is ridiculous. People like me are NEVER going to buy the disk. They are too expensive, take up too much room, and really i rarely watch a movie more then once so a waste of money.

I do own a VERY select few. they are all ones that i watch repeatedly, therefore i feel like i am more then doing my part.
I do the exact same thing. I wait... and own very few except my favorites or gifts I've received (because I'd NEVER admittedly own Transformers 2 any other way!)

2013.1.2012 11:35

Originally posted by SProdigy:
Originally posted by Scaldari:
I had found a way, netflix. I was willing to wait patiently while every one else saw it at theaters, and even the 28 days for them to rake in the disk sales, but forcing me to wait even longer is ridiculous. People like me are NEVER going to buy the disk. They are too expensive, take up too much room, and really i rarely watch a movie more then once so a waste of money.

I do own a VERY select few. they are all ones that i watch repeatedly, therefore i feel like i am more then doing my part.
I do the exact same thing. I wait... and own very few except my favorites or gifts I've received (because I'd NEVER admittedly own Transformers 2 any other way!)
I see it as no different then borrowing the disk from a friend. I never keep it, I dont archive it. I can call them all friends because i only use private trackers. Im not selling it, and the trackers dont charge for their services. I dont see the illegal nature of my actions for a legal or moral stand point.

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2113.1.2012 12:26

Originally posted by KillerBug:
If warner doesn't want me to rent their movies, that is just fine...99% of what they release is crap, so I never buy anything unless I like the rental...so I guess I won't be buying any warner movies before they hit the $9.99 rack.

Now...if they actually wanted to sell me movies at launch price, they would put them on netflix streaming the day they are released on bluray...but why would they want to make a profit?
I agree with your conclusion. I do NOT pay theater prices to see a movie, and I do NOT buy DVDs nor Blurays unless I have seen the movie. I do NOT think that the content providers (studios, etc.) have thought of this as a reason for lower than expected disc sales. Of course there are "first adopters" that will buy anything new the second it is available. These people help to create the secondary disc market where one can buy the disc at prices sometimes under $1! AND, the content providers get none of that revenue. The Internet has fundamentally changed consumerism, and a good many business models have not been adjusted for that change.

2213.1.2012 14:10

Pretty dumb Warner. You're really just pushing people to pirate more. I only buy movies that are worth it. Pushing back the rental date will have little to no effect. This will only irritate netflix customers further. Myself, I'm patient. If a movie is epic, believe it or not I will pay to see it in a theater. Bootlegs(Cams) just make a movie less desirable due to p!ss poor video quality. Lord of the rings was/is an incredible trilogy. Harry potter is excellent. The new batman movie will get my patronage. Because I'm a die hard batman fan. And the ones before it were very good(except the George clooney Debacle!!!). I'm sorry, but I'm not buying/cluttering up my movie collection with B and C grade movies. I reserve my shelf for A grade movies only.

Your tactics should be better movies... :p You don't wanna be on my $h#t list do you?

@Moderators, not sure why my signature is 4 lines of text. EVERY other thread it is appropriate. It appears to be just the news threads. E.g. smaller text fields...

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To delete, or not to delete. THAT is the question!

2313.1.2012 14:13

Originally posted by omegaman7:
Bootlegs(Cams) just make a movie less desirable due to p!ss poor video quality...I'm sorry, but I'm not buying/cluttering up my movie collection with B and C grade movies. I reserve my shelf for A grade movies only.
Amen!

It's a shame that they can gamble on releasing so much garbage, because it only takes maybe 1 out of 5 "hits" for the studio to turn a big profit. That's why you have everyone from Vince McMahon to Mark Cuban investing in (producing) movies nowadays.

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