Originally posted by hughjars:

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Originally posted by cappyx:

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yes that is correct i own both so i can make an "EDUCATED" and "EXPERIENCED" comment pertaining to each.

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- I never said otherwise.

But you just can't help acting as if your own experience is the only valid one out there.

Sadly for you there are plenty of professional reviewers and other users prepared to give a far more accurate and balanced account of each format.

Originally posted by cappyx:

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you just babble a bunch of irrelevant bullsh*t from an hd-dvd fan boys aspect.

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- No.
Telling the truth about the less flattering aspects of Blu-ray is not being a "fanboy".
Neither is telling the truth about what the state of play is with HD DVD.

Originally posted by cappyx:

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only those who own both formats and use them on a day to day basis can give an educated comment the rest, like you can only assume.

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- Don't be absurd.

Jeez I'd love to see how this approach/attitude works with buying a car then!

Don't be ridiculous we have hundreds of years of written shared experience so as we aren't left with such a ludicrous position with our purchases.
Wake up.

Originally posted by cappyx:

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now you're going to use a 2000 denon player to drive your point home now youre really reaching? hey did you notice none of the high dollar marketers like denon, yamaha, onkyo, etc are not making anything hd-dvd.

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- Er Onkyo are making an HD DVD player actually.

....and the point about the $2000 Denon is correct, it has been delayed until Q2 of next year.

It also remains to be seen if the German report of a Denon HD DVD player in development right now is true.

Originally posted by cappyx:

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who cares about bd1.1

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- Lots of people who think they are getting a fully spec'd machine with all the features Blu-ray claim to offer are going to be very disappointed.

Originally posted by cappyx:

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wow how's that pirates of the carribean on hd-dvd? oooops you can't play disney hd-dvd because there are none.

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- POTC 3 was garbage.
Just like a lot of the movies offered by Sony & Fox are, generally speaking, adolescent rubbish.

But if you're trying to bait over the exclusive content then tough luck, HD DVD now offers both the most content and the most exclusive content.
HD DVD also has the largest potential catalogue too.

Originally posted by cappyx:

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i've got better things to do with my time

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- Yeah of course, plainly you do. *rolls eyes* :P

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sadly enough you need to get a life.

best of luck with that i guess b) and sony will crumble now because you say so my players are quaking in thier racks.

your'e just so pig headed and stupid that i'm not going to bother replying to you any longer. really you're about as bright as a burnt out light bulb i have to wonder how many poeple regret listening to your pompus bullsh*t after it's too late.

by the way exactly what hd equipment player, tv, avr etc do you own?

i just read a little more of your post either it's an act or you're just really a weirdo. i'm leaning towards weirdo, maybe nerdy weirdo like herdy gerdy man weirdo???

We can do without the flamming thx.

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Every time you Flame Somebody you wast Forum space for a more civiliezed conversation.

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@crappyx
OMG a whole 30 seconds, By the time you insert the dvd, get your ass comfortable in your chair, guess what? 30 seconds has passed.
God the petty things some people whine about.
You can love you blu-ray for now, but like others have said, if you think paying $300-$500 more to save 15-20 seconds, well no comment.
That speaks for itself.

Originally posted by morguex:

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@crappyx
OMG a whole 30 seconds, By the time you insert the dvd, get your ass comfortable in your chair, guess what? 30 seconds has passed.
God the petty things some people whine about.
You can love you blu-ray for now, but like others have said, if you think paying $300-$500 more to save 15-20 seconds, well no comment.
That speaks for itself.

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morguex edited by ddp:
look edited by ddp the difference between 30 seconds and 9 seconds is supperior technology not your sofa. what a damn edited by ddp. do you get it now?
further more do you really think 21 seconds is why people pay 300-500 more for a b) player. either get off your cheap azz and buy one or shut the edited by ddp. incase you didn't notice the reason b) is not cheap is they have not issued a scaled down cheap budget player like toshiba has. toshibas real player for the big boys is 700 bucks. you can keep playing with your little toys.

and for your info, hd fan boy, i own both formats.

Thats quite the attitude you got there, I'm not gonna get personal with you. I'll let the moderators take care of that.
Who said I owned a HD-DvD player?
I'm the asshole?
Who just spewed a bunch of crap that was completely unnecessary.
And let me make one thing quite clear to you, I have been in audio/video equipment for over 20 years now, I have very good quality equipment. So save your "cheap" and "bigboys" comment for someone else.
How you got junior member status is beyond on me if this is how you conduct yourself, but with any luck there will be the word "banned" under your name.
"morgueer" Did you come up with that all by yourself?
Have a nice day and life :-)

Originally posted by morguex:

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Thats quite the attitude you got there, I'm not gonna get personal with you. I'll let the moderators take care of that.
Who said I owned a HD-DvD player?
I'm the asshole?
Who just spewed a bunch of crap that was completely unnecessary.
And let me make one thing quite clear to you, I have been in audio/video equipment for over 20 years now, I have very good quality equipment. So save your "cheap" and "bigboys" comment for someone else.
How you got junior member status is beyond on me if this is how you conduct yourself, but with any luck there will be the word "banned" under your name.

"morgueer" Did you come up with that all by yourself?
Have a nice day and life :-)

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yes you are as a matter of fact read your first post and if you can't take it don't dish it out.
i'll send it to the moderators as well.

did you come up with crappy all alone maybe we get banned under your name as well but the difference is you will care. big deal 20 years i have been in av for 35 years and really if you don't own any format cease criticising something you don't use on a daily basis such as you can't have a personal opinion of such equipment. i don't know where you get off slinging insults around and then trying to play some above it all well manered person afterwards but maybe you have issues. in any case who cares enjoy your life as well..
ps you did get personal couldn't resist could ya..

"crappy" was an honest mistake. I just misread your name,For that I do apologize, and if your took my comments as personal. They were not meant to be that way.
They were meant as a joke.
But I really don't think it was necessary to call me "morqueer" and "azzhole".
And sure I would care to a point, Because I do like afterdawn, I enjoy reading the articles and forums.
But anyway I think this has gone too far as it is.

Originally posted by morguex:

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"crappy" was an honest mistake. I just misread your name,For that I do apologize, and if your took my comments as personal. They were not meant to be that way.
They were meant as a joke.
But I really don't think it was necessary to call me "morqueer" and "azzhole".
And sure I would care to a point, Because I do like afterdawn, I enjoy reading the articles and forums.
But anyway I think this has gone too far as it is.

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opology accepted and i ,as well, will apologize to you.

although i enjoy both formats i have always wondered about hd-dvd software cost. while b) is a whole new process that uses all new factory equipment to manufacture hd-dvd is manufactured using the same equipment that is used for sd-dvd. my question then is

?why does hd-dvd software cost the same as b)? form what i read it should be cheaper.

Why worry about all the new DVD players. With Verizon on the move providing the ultimate of Phone, Internet and now HD Digital TV we will be able to watch first run movies at home. If you have to go to the restroom you don't have to disturb others what happened when you get back. Just use the Pause button. I am sure it will be a lot cheaper this way, saving gas, going out in the weather and the expensive stale popcorn. Instead we can eat steak or whatever is desired while watching. To get the full advantage of this we will need to spend about $5000 for a HD TV and Sound system and pay about $100 a month for the verizon connection. Let's hope they do not charge too much for the movie. Oh, some idiot digging with a back hoe could end it all.

Originally posted by ronnybuck:

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Why worry about all the new DVD players. With Verizon on the move providing the ultimate of Phone, Internet and now HD Digital TV we will be able to watch first run movies at home. If you have to go to the restroom you don't have to disturb others what happened when you get back. Just use the Pause button. I am sure it will be a lot cheaper this way, saving gas, going out in the weather and the expensive stale popcorn. Instead we can eat steak or whatever is desired while watching. To get the full advantage of this we will need to spend about $5000 for a HD TV and Sound system and pay about $100 a month for the verizon connection. Let's hope they do not charge too much for the movie. Oh, some idiot digging with a back hoe could end it all.

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i sort of already have this with dish network a ppv hd channel or two. the problem is the audio is no where near b) or hd-dvd. b) offers losseless 5.1 uncompressed audio on a good number of thier dvds running up to 48khz/24bit dish networks audio is no where near this i believe at best the 1.5mb dd5.1 audio is all.

@cappyx
Apology accepted and no hard feelings.
Now I have a question for you, I am thinking of buying a Hi-def player, (blu-ray or HD), just not sure which one to buy.
Wanna keep the price @ around $800-1000, I've look at a few brands.(wanna kinda stay away from box store stuff)
Since you have over 35 yr's experience with A/V equipment, what do you recommend.
I was looking at the intergra HD-DvD (DHS-8.8) player on the net, As I own all integra products now, so I am kinda leaning toward this one.
And it falls in my price range.

Originally posted by morguex:

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@cappyx
Apology accepted and no hard feelings.
Now I have a question for you, I am thinking of buying a Hi-def player, (blu-ray or HD), just not sure which one to buy.
Wanna keep the price @ around $800-1000, I've look at a few brands.(wanna kinda stay away from box store stuff)
Since you have over 35 yr's experience with A/V equipment, what do you recommend.
I was looking at the intergra HD-DvD (DHS-8.8) player on the net, As I own all integra products now, so I am kinda leaning toward this one.
And it falls in my price range.

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it has always been my experience that "like components play nice together, better". honestly right now the formats are at war. my personal beliefe is that we are going to have 2 formats this time until there is something completly new. however depending on what your connection options are (multi channel or hdmi). as far as b) right now in my opinion the most solid stand alone unit on the market is the panasonic b10a on sale this week for 540 at cc. however take note that the new bd1.1 rev initiates 10/31/07 but what this means is any new manufactured players released after this date must meet 1.1 however all older models are still 1.0. if you have any interest in bd1.1 i'd wait at this point as all of the current units will most likely not be fw upgradeable to 1.1 the only exception to this may be the ps3 (honestly if you can deal with the bit of fan noise my first recomendation for a b) player is a ps3 simply the out of box value is amazing it's just so much more than a simple b) player) as far as hd-dvd if i were to get a quality unit i think the integra to match everything is my first choice followed by the toshiba xa2. personally i simply bought the a2 as it is a decent quality unit at 238 on amazon. i went this choice because i have full hdmi connectivity (the a2 and 20 do not have mca connectivity) and since i do not really know who will win, lose or draw on this format war i'd rather eat 238 bucks compared to 700 for the toshiba:)
*b)
>stay far away from the sony s300 it's a real piece of junk, i tried one and it was terrible lock ups, freezes, skips and still a 30 second boot time.
>panny b10a: plays everything i throw at it that is compatible without a hitch. 9 second boot time 7.1 multi channel analogs for those who want them, hdmi connectivity runs very whisper quiet and has panny's known quality and reliability very sought after unit.
>ps3: b) player, upscaler, game console, sacd player, network connectivity, wifi out of box, accessable and standard sata hdd user replaceable, blu tooth controler and b) remote, however no multi channel analog, at times the fan can get a bit noisy for some people(it never bothers me). personally i believe i got one heck of a bargain at 599 for the 80g unit for everything it does however in my ht room i use the panny as i already owned it prior to the ps3. if i had full hdmi connectivity when i originally bought my b) player i would have went ps3 instead of changing out my panny i simply found a onkyo dv-sp502 sacd player on amazon clearenced at 99 dollars and just add it to the system.
>the problem most people have with the ps3 is they can't get by that "see it as a game console" thing and for what it is a "multi media center" i also do like no disk drawr just feed the player and it sucks in the dvd and starts up. i have the ps3 in my office and use it every day for something.

food for thought:
since you can get the hd-dvd at a great price on amazon and if you have hdmi connectivity perhaps consider the a2/1080i or a20/1080p and a b) player. the advantage here is you get both formats for about 800 dollars vs being stuck with one or the other. thing is the audio is a million times better with the new formats and once you see the picture and hear the difference in audio you really start wanting that other format.

hope this helps

ps if you need cables at a great price try this : monoprice.com

Thanks for the advice cappyx, I did see the Toshiba hd-a2 on sale for 399.00 at futureshop and they also had the ps3 for 499.00.
I was gonna ask about the ps3 for a blu-ray player, bought thought I might get laughed at. Thinking about it again, I guess 1000.00 or so for a HD-DvD player is high considering that we have no idea who's gonna win this so called format war. It would suck to spend a grand on it and then have blu-ray win. AT least with your idea I would have both and also a pretty nice game console also.
I do have a lcd tv with hdmi inputs, so there's no problem there.
As for a reciever with hdmi(for the audio), I'll wait awhile for that.
Peace

Originally posted by morguex:

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Thanks for the advice cappyx, I did see the Toshiba hd-a2 on sale for 399.00 at futureshop and they also had the ps3 for 499.00.
I was gonna ask about the ps3 for a blu-ray player, bought thought I might get laughed at. Thinking about it again, I guess 1000.00 or so for a HD-DvD player is high considering that we have no idea who's gonna win this so called format war. It would suck to spend a grand on it and then have blu-ray win. AT least with your idea I would have both and also a pretty nice game console also.
I do have a lcd tv with hdmi inputs, so there's no problem there.
As for a reciever with hdmi(for the audio), I'll wait awhile for that.


Peace

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Morguex,
The toshiba a20 is 308 at amazon. the problem with not having hdmi on your audio equipment is you will not be able to enjoy the upper end audio formats of either as the a20 and ps3 are hdmi only. the only way is with the xa2 toshiba (557 at amazon) or panny b10a (539 at cc) assuming you have the multi channel analog inputs. with the a20 or ps3 and no hdmi for your audio you would miss out on dolby true-hd, dts-hd-master, 5.1 uncompressed pcm which is phenominal. you could still use the optical cable but you will be limited to dd5.1 and dts at 1.5m no where near the other audio formats. what you could do, if you are running independant amps is check out the onkyo 805 and use it as a pre-amp. it switches 3 hdmi devices (more if you buy another switch) and can pass 7.1 preamp to your system and act as the centerpiece for your system. it will breath new life and allow you to keep using your amps. integra will be comming out with thier own pre-amp fairly soon however the onkyo 805 has raving reviews and for the money this avr can't be beat. cc will ocasionaly run a saturday sale on these for 899. any way feel free to keep in contact to share information. check the onkyo 805 out at cc see what you think.

bam! it just hit me while sitting here. you have a lcd tv you should definetly go ps3. you have no worries of burn in and you can get the best of all worlds and one heck of a gamming system.

best wishes, cappy

Morguex,

that onkyo 805 i was telling you about in the last post is 809 dollars this week at amazon and free shipping. it is a really good price for this avr and as i had stated you could use this as a preamp and get your hdmi connectivity with it.

i just got the onlyo sacd player i ordered from amazon, hooked it up and played Pink Floyd Dark Side Of The Moon in 5.1 pcm sacd and i have never heard this cd sound anything like this. the 5.1 audio is really impressive. i patched it in using the mca input and the whole room is filled with music. my wife came home and asked why one of the pictures was crooked:)

@cappyx
I checked out the onkyo 805 on the net, Thats a very nice machine, Even looks pretty.
What about the Integra DTR-5.8A, seems very similar to the onkyo unit, only thing is it dosen't do upconversion and only 2 HDMI inputs, but it seems like a nice machine also.
One more question, Can you use a hdmi 1.2 ouput with a hdmi 1.3a input?
lol@ crooked picture, trust me my neighbours don;t like me either sometimes, but hey when I load up Eagles DvD live In Melbourne in DTS(god I hope they release this in dts-hd), I Like to hear it loud.
Peace

Originally posted by morguex:

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@cappyx
I checked out the onkyo 805 on the net, Thats a very nice machine, Even looks pretty.
What about the Integra DTR-5.8A, seems very similar to the onkyo unit, only thing is it dosen't do upconversion and only 2 HDMI inputs, but it seems like a nice machine also.
One more question, Can you use a hdmi 1.2 ouput with a hdmi 1.3a input?
lol@ crooked picture, trust me my neighbours don;t like me either sometimes, but hey when I load up Eagles DvD live In Melbourne in DTS(god I hope they release this in dts-hd), I Like to hear it loud.
Peace

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lol my neighbor has shown up at my door in his pajamas to ask me to please lower the bass:)
i personally own the 805 it is one heck of a avr and at the money it really can't be beat. the thing weighs 50 lbs and it is actually incredible with no outboard amps. hdmi 1.3a is backwards compatible to all including 1.0 as well. you want 1.3a as all the next gen stuff will need 1.3a to have full use of it.
believe me when i tell you at 809, free shipping and no taxums this 805 is a steal. i know you like integra however the integra will not be 809 dollars and this avr really gives you 150%. if i were in your spot now i'd put the hd-dvd and b) on hold and get the 805 as it will add the hdmi connectivity you need for the next gen of equipment comnming. and the 805 is 1.3a!!! the remote that comes with the 805 is the best remote i have ever had it can be code programed as well as learn and it is 100% backlit. I really can't say enough about what a great machine this 805 is what i can say is the new yammy that is releasing this fall that is comprable is 1700 compared to 809. i simply don't know how onkyo can make this avr at this cost however every forum about this avr is raving about what a great reciever, pre-amp, and 3 hdmi 1.3a inputs. it also has 3 macro buttons that are very nice. you will not need a harmony with this unit!

best regards, cappy

@cappyx
I checked out a few more reviews on the onkyo 805, This thing is amazing. After reading these reviews, I gotta hear Dolby hd and dts-hd, I checked some pricing, The cheapest I can find it for in canada is 1299.00,I tried a few American online retailers, but I can't find one who ships to canada.
If I could find one who will ship to canada, it will still be cheaper even with exchage rate and shipping.

Originally posted by morguex:

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@cappyx
I checked out a few more reviews on the onkyo 805, This thing is amazing. After reading these reviews, I gotta hear Dolby hd and dts-hd, I checked some pricing, The cheapest I can find it for in canada is 1299.00,I tried a few American online retailers, but I can't find one who ships to canada.
If I could find one who will ship to canada, it will still be cheaper even with exchage rate and shipping.

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honestly i can not say enough good things about this avr. i don't know how onkyo is selling it at this price but it is truely an amazing reciever. i love the thing i have made it the centerpiece of my av system. functionality, clarity and audio realism is all in this unit. i just can't believe for the money that it is a new generation machine and it just keeps performing. i have a panny plasma and this thing loves pannys it has a lyp-sync function which seems to be performing with my plasma to keep hd programing in correct sync with the audio. I have to say i have really never been this impressed with a avr at this price level. if you have an obtainable way to get this avr i do really recomend it. i used it last night to play the floyd sacd and it was incredible i just was blown away at the audio i was getting from this avr and a infinity ps212 sub at the cost factor. by the way the infinity ps212 sub can be had for 288 from amazon market place not bad for a sub that sells for 479 elsewhere. at 809 i was thinking of buying one of these 805's for my ps3 in my office. right now i have all of my office av tied into my creative extigy into a klipsch pro5.1 however it does not accept hdmi and i would like to have the sacd functionality of my ps3 unlocked in my office as well.

i know that it is more costley to get items in canada however i still recomend you first get the 805 to ad the hdmi functionality to your integras and then later worry about hd-dvd and b).

trust me when i say the audio formats available in hd-dvd and b) just bury the old sd-dvd audio formats. once you hear them you will not ever want to go back.

best wishes, cappy

@cappy
I found a tx-sr705 for 600.00 us on e-bay.
It seem very similar to the 805.
Whats you opinion on the 705?
Thanks

Originally posted by morguex:

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@cappy
I found a tx-sr705 for 600.00 us on e-bay.
It seem very similar to the 805.
Whats you opinion on the 705?
Thanks

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i hear good things about the 705 a lot of people just get this one for pre-amp only. i personaly prefer the 805 it's got a lot more bang for not much more money. i know it's a bit tough after you told me the canada price is 1299 i almost fainted. actualy the retail price in the states in the main stores is 1199 unless on sale. some of the differences to note:

>705= has lesser dacs the/ 805 uses burr-brown
>705 thd=.08 /the 805 thd is .05
>705= thx select cert/ 805= thx ultra 2 cert
>705= sn=100db/ 805=110db

personaly even if you are only going to use the pre-amp section i would wait and shoot for the 805. how about yahoo or googiling the 805 and trying to find an e-tailer that will ship to canada? i looked at abt however they only ship to the 48 states.

let me know what you decide,
best wishes, cappy

Hey Cappyx, How are you?
Well I think I just struck gold, I found a brand new tx-sr805 on ebay for $733.00. I'm going to bid on this unit for sure.
Total with tax and shipping is approx. $910.00.
Much better than any price I can find in canada.
Wish me luck.

Talk to you later

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P.s.
I,ve decided to get a hd-dvd for now and then pick up a ps3 for blu-ray.
Can't wait to watch and hear Batman Begins in HD-DVD :-)
I have no doubt it will be a treat for the eyes and ears.

Thanks for all your help

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Originally posted by morguex:

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P.s.
I,ve decided to get a hd-dvd for now and then pick up a ps3 for blu-ray.
Can't wait to watch and hear Batman Begins in HD-DVD :-)
I have no doubt it will be a treat for the eyes and ears.

Thanks for all your help

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no problem and best of luck on that auction let me know how it works out for you.

the ps3 will include this feature however for my main ht room i had to buy an external sacd player and i love the thing! the 805 really can do wonders with the mca input and sacd. i have been plucking titles new and used like genesis duke, abacab, trick of the tail, pink floyd dsotm is still my favorite though. my favorites are the hybrid discs as they normaly have playable tracks for all devices. looks like the 60gb ps3 is dissapearing from the stores the 80gb has replaced it at the old 599 shelf price. still it's a great deal. when you buy your ps3 also pick up the optional blu-tooth remote for it.
any way best of luck on your bid

Hi Cappy
I got a quick question and I need a simple straight foward answer.(all this reading has got me kinda confused)
I've been doing alot of reading about Dobly digital HD and Dolby digital Plus, Now I assume Dolby Digital hd is better than Dolby digital plus. The reason I ask is because most HD-DvD's seem to have Dolby Digital plus as there main audio encoding. Is there a big diffrence between regular Dolby digital and Dolby Digital plus?
Thanks
P.S. I did'nt bother with the TX-sr805 on ebay, shipping was gonna be almost 400.00(brokage fees, taxes and so on, damm ups) I'll hold off til the holiday season, I'm sure it'll be on sale by then.