Originally posted by xtr2:

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All my friends have 1080p TV's and I - two of them! ))
Because I am not stupid to buy 1080i TV (that will be obsolete very soon).

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- OK, so you lied about the prices of HD DVD (and just ignore that you got caught out lying).
Or were you just wrong (again)?

Now you want to pretend that just because you might have a 1080p TV everyone else does
(when in fact the majority of HD TVs are still 720p/1080i, by far).

.....and, of course, not a word to say about what actually happens with a 1080i image fed to a 1080p TV = you get a 1080p image.

The ad men must love you guys & your confused, ignorant & willfully blinkered nonsensical 'beliefs'.

Originally posted by xtr2:

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One more thing, Blu-ray came out after HD DVD and there are already almost the same quantity of movies! In something like one year!

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- I guess I'll have to take that as a round-about admission that I was right about the movie numbers afterall then, huh?

Maybe you were just plain 'wrong' again, eh?

LMAO.

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With speed like that, in the next year there will be more movies on Blu-ray than on HD DVD's!

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- You seem to be blind to the fact
(like so many of the Blu-ray fanclub)
that many of those newly announced Blu-ray releases also come out pretty shortly after on HD DVD, thanks to international distribution and publishing deals.

Wrong again.

Originally posted by xtr2:

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Oh yeah, more movie studios supporting Blu-ray.

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- Wrong yet again.

Major Hollywood support is around even right now
(but if you count independents and international studios HD DVD leads - the charges and contractual obligations are far less with HD DVD).

....and you're going to get even 'wronger' when Warner go for the more profitable format, HD DVD, in 2008.

.....and as we can see with the DVD Forum TL vote probably Disney at some point next year too.

xtago ..... i don't think your gonna win the argument with Hughjars.

I'm with Hughjars on this. He knows his stuff. I've read many many posts from this guy...and its although he can talk circles around me at times....look up and search it out like i do. You'll find it to be true...unless u wait too long...cause technology changes very quickly.

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Most HD TVs are 720p/1080i anyways.

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lie. #1
http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresults....ay=col&dclksa=1
If you buying cheap crap - it will be 1080i, people who think to keep their TV for 10 years - buying 1080p. So they don't have to spent more money in 2-3 years.

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1080p TVs ... to imput 1080i material cos the TV makes it look better than the 1080p signal.

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lie. #2

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The Toshiba HD A3 is currently $174 new on Amazon

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It is - 1080i.

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HD A30 is comfortably under that Blu-ray price too @ $269.98 new.

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I am very happy that you found one very-very cheap HD DVD player, very cheaply made, that will last for over few month, for you! )))
It's not lie from my side, because I didn't search for some cheapest stuff on amazon. )))

P.S. Blockbuster don't have HD DVD's, but have only Blu-ray's in most stores! :)

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- You seem to be blind to the fact
(like so many of the Blu-ray fanclub)
that many of those newly announced Blu-ray releases also come out pretty shortly after on HD DVD, thanks to international distribution and publishing deals.

Wrong again.

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Wrong again.
It is working in both directions. )))
And even then so many more Blu-ray's then HD DVD's in less time them needed for HD DVD's! ))))

You will see who is wrong in 2009-2010, when most computers, games and movies will move to Blu-rays. (especially computers with 100-200 GB Blu-ray's) )))

P.S. Educate yourself: (about laser wavelength, numerical aperture, storage capacity ))) & etc. )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_...al_disc_formats

LMAO

Wow, talk about weak and utterly lame.

Just had to retort "liar" back, didn't you?
(cos you were embarrassed to be caught cold on that one.)

Hilarious.

Clearly you know s*d all about this other than what your Blu-ray fanzine sites have to say
(seriously posting a wiki address for "laser wavelength, numerical aperture, storage capacity"?!
Priceless).

So where are the 70+ HD DVD exclusive titles also out on Blu-ray then?
I know of one for sure (links to the rest please).

Yeah right. LMAO.

Personally I prefer to debate this kind of stuff with grown ups not game console kiddies.

Come back when you know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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LMAO

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I don't have time to explain to you simple things, especially when you still didn't get whan came out Blu-ray players and HD DVD players. ))) Forum's are for kids, especially with waisting time for "link searching". )))))
Learn kid and use wikipedia, because you was wrong so many times that it make me laugh. )))

P.S. I have work to do. (teach some programmers, how to do their job) And English not my native language, I speak 6 languages and English is my worse. ))) So, you can enjoy wasting your time like all kids, that live with their parents & let you believe that you are winner in this "finger war". ))))))

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Which all looks great for Blu-ray until you remember that these numbers are for discs bought in bricks and mortar stores in the USA and that they do not take account of Paramount dumping Blu-ray.

There are currently over 70 supposedly Blu-ray exclusive movies which are nothing of the sort and which are available on HD DVD.

See here - http://areahd.dvdtiefpreise.com/?p=109
and here - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=855923
and here - http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthre...8331#post468331

So the true figures for exclusive movies becomes -

HD DVD exclusive movies - 201
Blu-ray exclusive movies - 184

Similarly when we remove the 30 Paramount movies from the Blu-ray total along with the 3 Dreamworks movies (no-one is making or has made large stocks of high def movies so far and to keep claiming these as available for BD is absurd and relying on a dead stock line) and add those additional 70 movies to the HD DVD total we get

HD DVD available movies - 428
BLU-ray available movies - 378

HD DVD does offer the largest available and exclusive movie content.

So remind me again what those "pluses" Blu-ray is claimed to have are, huh?

(ROFLMAO; an outrageously expensive disc drive and a myth about content? is that all you've now got?
Don't bother answering that, it was rhetorical , I already know that is all you've got in this)

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Okay Stop right there because you truly believe everything most of them HD-DVD tools over there at AVS forums says.

http://www.hddvdstats.com/index.php

Universal account for 71.35% percent of HD-DVD exclusive titles the next studio is Warner with 11.89%.Where is Paramount sitting at a horrible 3.94%.So where is all these so called exclusive titles because i see you can't read charts that good.

If you hit the exclusive button on the link you gave some how you seem to over look it HD-DVD has 201 exclusive titles with most for the titles coming from Universal are old movies that people already own on SD DVD.

Blu-Ray has 254 exclusive titles the 70 exclusive titles for some reason you trying to twist & turn like HD-DVD camp is wrong it was 32 titles Blu-Ray had when paramount was format neutral you can still buy paramount Blu-Ray titles from online movie vendors like Amazon.So how can you subtract something that is still on Blu-Ray? That mean they are still available.

Ex: Shooter
http://www.amazon.com/Shooter-Blu-ray-Mark-Wahlberg/dp/B000QUEQBS
Ex: Lara Croft - Tomb Raider
http://www.amazon.com/Lara-Croft-Tomb-Ra...y/dp/B000I0QLZU

Also proof of the 32 titles that was on Blu-Ray not the over hyped 70 you claimed.

Current Paramount Blu-ray titles will not be recalled

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Yeah, we know this is pretty obvious, but there's nothing like a proper confirmation. Paramount has told HighDefDigest.com that once the current stock of Blu-ray titles is depleted, there will be no more produced, but they will not recall the titles already in the channel. According to HighDefDigest's count there are 32 titles

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http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/08/22/cur...ot-be-recalled/

I hope this clear up all the Fud that has been on this board about HD-DVD having the most movie content & exclusive content which is totally misleading.

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HD DVD 343 vs Blu-ray 369*

Blu-ray

* I Know Who Killed Me (Sony)
* Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade (Bandai Visual)
* The Omega Man (Warner)
* Paprika (Sony)

HD DVD

* Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (DreamWorks)
* Hot Rod (Paramount)
* Mr. Bean's Holiday (Universal)
* Old School (Paramount)
* The Omega Man (Warner)


* Blu-ray total does not reflect 32 Paramount titles that were previously available.

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http://www.engadgethd.com/tag/HdReleases

Engadget keeps track of every HD title released so far Blu-Ray the most content HD DVD 343 vsBlu-ray 369 As of 11-27-07.Blu-Ray has the most exclusive content available Current exclusive Blu-ray movies - 254
Current exclusive HD DVD movies - 201.

well i just got my HDMI cable to hook up my 360 and enjoy 1080p..
well guess what guys it looked the SAME as 1080i..(which i knew it would)
this was on a 55" Sony KDS55A2020
i got the toshiba HD A3, which we all know is 1080i..and guess what, it looks GREAT!!
and now i was looking for differences between i and p like a hawk, i saw no difference!!
so neither will the who knows how many average Joes and Teds who get an HD DVD player this christmas!!!

Originally posted by sk8flawzz:

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well i just got my HDMI cable to hook up my 360 and enjoy 1080p..
well guess what guys it looked the SAME as 1080i..(which i knew it would)
this was on a 55" Sony KDS55A2020
i got the toshiba HD A3, which we all know is 1080i..and guess what, it looks GREAT!!
and now i was looking for differences between i and p like a hawk, i saw no difference!!
so neither will the who knows how many average Joes and Teds who get an HD DVD player this christmas!!!

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well your not going to see much of a difference on a projection television even if its a 1080p television..
i work at circuitcity in the TV department and there is a difference between i and p especially on newer lcd tv's like the XBR4's from sony
and the Samsung 71 Series...
but back onto the BluRay and HDDVD..
our store sells much more HDDVD than BluRay(not including PS3 Sales),
thats after i explain to them that they have the same quality for some reason most consumers dont know that HDDVD and BluRay are moreless the same exact thing and right now the only difference is if the movies they want will release on that format....
and with the HDDVD player being a bit cheaper the consumer is eating them up..

As i stated in most of my post to sit here and compare either bias reports or bias post is pointless because all in all its all up to the individual persons preference. So taking all the time to sit there and break down stats and figures on something that will either change by early next year or sooner is pointless. I know people who went out and brought one of those cheap HD-DVD players and arent very happy with it for a lot of reasons. Their main issues are not having the same selection as normal dvd's and that it doesnt playback some of their burnt dvds. I know have PS3 or blu-ray player. Some of those people feel the same on the movie side of not having the same selection as normal dvds. Then i know folks who prefer the dvd upscaling vs both blu-ray and hd-dvd players. Selection is pretty much going to decide for some price for others or just going with the flow on bias opinions its truly all up to the persons preference.

@theridges, what are the screen sizes on the ones you do notice? i can imagine the difference might be noticeable on 71" and such.
i wanted to ask a salesperson at circuit city which sold more, haha now i know, thanks

Originally posted by spydah:

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As i stated in most of my post to sit here and compare either bias reports or bias post is pointless because all in all its all up to the individual persons preference. So taking all the time to sit there and break down stats and figures on something that will either change by early next year or sooner is pointless. I know people who went out and brought one of those cheap HD-DVD players and arent very happy with it for a lot of reasons. Their main issues are not having the same selection as normal dvd's and that it doesnt playback some of their burnt dvds. I know have PS3 or blu-ray player. Some of those people feel the same on the movie side of not having the same selection as normal dvds. Then i know folks who prefer the dvd upscaling vs both blu-ray and hd-dvd players. Selection is pretty much going to decide for some price for others or just going with the flow on bias opinions its truly all up to the persons preference.

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i will tell you one thing the new sharp BluRay player will play almost anything you throw at it and the HD-A35(toshiba) will too....my A35 has no problem playing burned movies....
and somebody that says they prefer an upscaled dvd over the new HD formats are just kind of behind in times because an upscaled dvd doesn't compare to HDDVD or BLURAY.

@sk8flawzz
we have a 1080i HD-DVD player and a bluray hooked up right beside eachother in the store on a 46' Samsung LCD and the BluRay looks better...most people dont notice it but when your in the store all day you can tell the difference..the only movie i couldn't tell the difference on was Transformers even in 1080i thats the best movie in HD i have ever Seen...

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Originally posted by spydah:

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As i stated in most of my post to sit here and compare either bias reports or bias post is pointless because all in all its all up to the individual persons preference. So taking all the time to sit there and break down stats and figures on something that will either change by early next year or sooner is pointless. I know people who went out and brought one of those cheap HD-DVD players and arent very happy with it for a lot of reasons. Their main issues are not having the same selection as normal dvd's and that it doesnt playback some of their burnt dvds. I know have PS3 or blu-ray player. Some of those people feel the same on the movie side of not having the same selection as normal dvds. Then i know folks who prefer the dvd upscaling vs both blu-ray and hd-dvd players. Selection is pretty much going to decide for some price for others or just going with the flow on bias opinions its truly all up to the persons preference.

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i will tell you one thing the new sharp BluRay player will play almost anything you throw at it and the HD-A35(toshiba) will too....my A35 has no problem playing burned movies....
and somebody that says they prefer an upscaled dvd over the new HD formats are just kind of behind in times because an upscaled dvd doesn't compare to HDDVD or BLURAY.

@sk8flawzz
we have a 1080i HD-DVD player and a bluray hooked up right beside eachother in the store on a 46' Samsung LCD and the BluRay looks better...most people dont notice it but when your in the store all day you can tell the difference..the only movie i couldn't tell the difference on was Transformers even in 1080i thats the best movie in HD i have ever Seen...

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there is a diffrance in dosent compare and its not worth the added price, or at least in this case there is not :P

Originally posted by nextgen:

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Engadget keeps track of every HD title released so far Blu-Ray the most content HD DVD 343 vsBlu-ray 369 As of 11-27-07.Blu-Ray has the most exclusive content available Current exclusive Blu-ray movies - 254
Current exclusive HD DVD movies - 201.

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- That Engadget count is wrong then, pure and simple
(tho given the numbers you've reproduced it is probably right for numbers bought within the USA in bricks and mortar stores).

Try using the links I gave and looking internationally.
The 'over 70 titles are in there.

....and no, they are not all old titles.
Planet Terror and Deathproof are up-to-date on retail disc, as is The Prestige & 1408,

Better luck defending your beloved next time nextgen.

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Originally posted by spydah:

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As i stated in most of my post to sit here and compare either bias reports or bias post is pointless because all in all its all up to the individual persons preference. So taking all the time to sit there and break down stats and figures on something that will either change by early next year or sooner is pointless. I know people who went out and brought one of those cheap HD-DVD players and arent very happy with it for a lot of reasons. Their main issues are not having the same selection as normal dvd's and that it doesnt playback some of their burnt dvds. I know have PS3 or blu-ray player. Some of those people feel the same on the movie side of not having the same selection as normal dvds. Then i know folks who prefer the dvd upscaling vs both blu-ray and hd-dvd players. Selection is pretty much going to decide for some price for others or just going with the flow on bias opinions its truly all up to the persons preference.

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i will tell you one thing the new sharp BluRay player will play almost anything you throw at it and the HD-A35(toshiba) will too....my A35 has no problem playing burned movies....
and somebody that says they prefer an upscaled dvd over the new HD formats are just kind of behind in times because an upscaled dvd doesn't compare to HDDVD or BLURAY.

@sk8flawzz
we have a 1080i HD-DVD player and a bluray hooked up right beside eachother in the store on a 46' Samsung LCD and the BluRay looks better...most people dont notice it but when your in the store all day you can tell the difference..the only movie i couldn't tell the difference on was Transformers even in 1080i thats the best movie in HD i have ever Seen...

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there is a diffrance in dosent compare and its not worth the added price, or at least in this case there is not :P

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The people i know that brought the HD-DVD player got the upscaling one because it plays all of their burnt dvds. Plus the regular dvd selection is currently greater and thats where their comfort zone is instead of only receiving a few movies from this format vs the other.

Originally posted by spydah:

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The people i know that brought the HD-DVD player got the upscaling one because it plays all of their burnt dvds.

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- ?

All the HD DVD players upscale, as standard (and very well too btw).

@hughjars
Nice...

Did you include the import Bluray titles that are on Hd-dvd that work on any player, unlike bluray? lol

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@hughjars
Nice...

Did you include the import Bluray titles that are on Hd-dvd that work on any player, unlike bluray? lol

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- I did indeed.

S'funny how the Blu-ray fanclub sometimes love to pretend it works both ways (it doesn't thanks to Blu-ray's regional coding).

I know for sure of 1 HD DVD exclusive movie in a Blu-ray version sourced internationally (under a different label thanks to international publishing & distribution) but nothing like the 70+ titles that are claimed in the USA to be 'Blu-ray exclusive' but which are nothing of the sort elsewhere.

There's a couple of issues I have with HD DVD imports:

> Most new and future adoptees of the format don't know about the availability of imports. The regular guy walking into Walmart may not have heard of exploitedcinema.com, amazon.fr, amazon.de, or amazon.uk.

> Unless you're willing to spend anywhere from $35 to $45 per title then importing may not be an option for you.

The German version of Silver Surfer for example is EUR 28,95 or $43.05 pre-shipping costs:

http://www.amazon.de/Fantastic-Four-Rise...r/dp/B000VWP2GE

With the continued slide of the US dollar the exchange rates aren't likely to improve soon. Owning both formats may be a more attractive prospect to some especially those who want to collect titles.

I do like the DTS-HD MA on some EU titles though.

I'm not surprised error5, but what it boils down to is a pretty recent change, basically you're commenting on the US $ plummeting in value in the last 12mths.

For me (coming at it from the other way around) I'm only too happy to import HD DVDs from the USA, I get them earlier than otherwise would be the case & cheaper.

Transformers being a prime example.

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Blu-ray "isn't the cheaper format, but it is the better format"

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And that's why no one drives Ford or Chevy and everyone drives Porsche. That's also why VHS lost to Betamax. Technological superiority is obviously everything.

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I dont know if your being sarcastic or not but VHS won Betamax lost

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I'm not surprised error5, but what it boils down to is a pretty recent change, basically you're commenting on the US $ plummeting in value in the last 12mths.

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It's not really a recent phenomenon hughjars.

I've been importing from the EU since Studio Canal started releasing HD DVD's. I remember my first few EU titles were the French versions of Brotherhood of the Wolf, Elephant Man and Stalingrad (aka Enemy at the Gates). I've always paid upwards of $35 per title even then. It's a good thing they remove the VAT for overseas orders or else the costs would be higher.

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I'm only too happy to import HD DVDs from the USA, I get them earlier than otherwise would be the case & cheaper.

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It's totally different going west to east across the pond. Plus what we're talking about here is importing HD DVD titles from the EU to the US since these titles are available here only in BD format - not the other way around.

That being said, only the very avid enthusiast, plus those who collect no matter the cost, will consider importing from the EU as a viable option.

The "regular guy walking into Walmart" will see new release SD DVD's at $15 apiece and say "What the heck. I'll stick with regular DVD's."

@hughjars & eatsushi

Much respect!!!
From what I have seen and what I see now, I think both of you respect both formats, but also thinks Hd-dvd has the advantage!!. I also think "HD-DVD" for the win!! lol

Hughjars slings that fanboy crapola quite a bit but the fact is he is only looking at being cheap and could be labeled a HD-DVD fanboy if that really is a bad thing. Cheap is really his only argument that makes sense and he will ignore technology to substantiate his bias. He talks like 51GB’s is so much more then 50GB that BD has been producing product for and has been doing so for some time know, BD does it easily in two layers not three which HD-DVD had to push each layer from 15GB’s to 17GB’s to even accomplish that. BD has bigger aperture size, higher bitrates, thinner protective layer, and so on there over all capacity and performance is much greater then HD-DVD and therefore will be more marketable down the road. Eventually the MFG cost will come down to DVD’s today and then the cheapsters will be happy, well maybe? Right now Toshiba has an 8 layer 200GB system and Hitachi just demo’d a Terabyte drive in Australia, HD-DVD won’t be doing this probably ever! Keep double counting movies hughjars at least you’ll be happy.

Hang in there NexGen you’re the man, and buy the way we are just wasting our breathe with some of these characters. 

I still am glad we have BOTH formats and hope/think both will be around for a long time.

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That being said, only the very avid enthusiast, plus those who collect no matter the cost, will consider importing from the EU as a viable option.

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Exactly right.

Take xploitedcinema.com for example. There are a few HD DVD releases that are reasonably priced at $26 - like Lord of War and Reservoir Dogs from Holland. Other than that practically everything else is above $30. The single disc Japanese releases are ridiculous at $40 or more although the Band of Brothers set is something that I'd consider.

This is a nice sneaky stratgie getting big named producer directors taking sides in the format wars. I personally think and this could be what many others think as well it will all come down to price down at the end.