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Originally posted by hughjars:

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There is not a single profile 1.1 or profile 2.0 Blu-ray player on the market right now.

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Correction.

The Panasonic DMP-BD30 is profile 1.1 compliant and has been out for a couple of weeks now.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1107panabd30/

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Thxs..........

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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:

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if you wanna go blu i recommed the ps3..if you think youll ever play a game on it and have the extra 100
i havnt researched this player so i cant tell you if its worth it or not =P

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If I were going to buy a BR player I might as well spend the money and get a PS3. However there are drawbacks to the PS3 as a BR player, namely, no 7 channel PCM outputs. The PS3 does output the HD audio formats through HDMI, but if you have a receiver that's older than a year it probably doesn't decode these formats or has no HDMI inputs/outputs at all.

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so then thats just an issue with the receiver correct? the PS3's output through HDMI is good?
how does the blu-ray player in this article compare to the ps3?

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I can't give an honest opinion as I don't actually own the PS3, but it should be able to output the HD audio formats (HDMI version 1.3a). Not sure about the DTS HD MAster audio on the PS3. But you have to have a receiver that has HDMI inputs and decodes the formats. The PS3 does have the standard digital optical out for digital 5.1 formats.

Originally posted by juankerr:

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Correction.

The Panasonic DMP-BD30 is profile 1.1 compliant and has been out for a couple of weeks now.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1107panabd30/

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- That's the one I was referring to.

We'll have to see if it lives up to it's claims (nothing else has so far).

Sadly until there is any profile 1.1 movie discs out there it just remains a claim...... and without internet connectivity (which has nothing to do with profile 1.1) it's little more than a tarted up interactive CD.

From the link you gave -

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Note also that while Profile 1.1 is called the "Final Standard [BD-ROM] Profile" in Panasonic's promotional materials, that does not mean that it's the last current word BD hardware.

For now, that's Profile 2.0 (BD-Live), which requires 1GB of local storage plus network capability (likely in the form of an Ethernet or LAN port).

No player currently offers BD-ROM Profile 2.0, but again, the PS3 meets the hardware requirements and is likely to be upgradeable to meet this spec.

The "local storage" does not need to be internal. A removable vehicle such as a flash drive or memory card can provide it.

The Panasonic does have an SD card port, which may be used for the onboard memory required for some future disc features (see more on the SD card feature below).
But it lacks an Ethernet port for Internet interactivity (not to mention direct downloading of firmware upgrades), so will never be upgradeable to Profile 2.0.

But BD-ROM 1.1 is long overdue, and welcome with discs already announced with advanced interactivity for these new players to take advantage of.

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http://www.guidetohometheater.com/hddiscplayers/1107panabd30/

Originally posted by hughjars:

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- That's the one I was referring to.

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Not really hughjars. You weren't referring to anything.

You actually said:

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There is not a single profile 1.1 or profile 2.0 Blu-ray player on the market right now.

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...which is clearly a lie or misinformation on your part. As juankerr said the Panny BD30 is out and is Profile 1.1.

You weren't referring to anything and your last post was clearly an attempt to draw everyone's attention elsewhere.

Well you're not fooling anyone.

You're busted.

LMAO.

Originally posted by error5:

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Not really hughjars. You weren't referring to anything.

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- Er, yes really and yes I did.

Originally posted by error5:

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You actually said:

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There is not a single profile 1.1 or profile 2.0 Blu-ray player on the market right now.

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...which is clearly a lie or misinformation on your part.

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- Which would be correct if that was all I said.

However you're just selectively quoting.

You fail to point out or admit that I also said -

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Panasonic have hinted that one of their latest BD players might be ok and suitably equipped for profile 1.1 but that remains very much untested.

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Which is perfectly fair (although I did edit as I originally - and incorerectly- had thought it was a Pioneer mdoel).

Originally posted by error5:

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You weren't referring to anything and your last post was clearly an attempt to draw everyone's attention elsewhere.

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- BS

I was a fair comment and one that was a damned sight more complete than your (deliberately?) selective quotation.

Originally posted by error5:

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Well you're not fooling anyone.

You're busted.

LMAO.

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- Frankly I think your haste to jump on this just shows you up and your obvious selective quoting merely busts you.

LMAO indeed.

ROTFLMAO!

Geez, hughjars. It's so easy to ruffle your feathers it's not even funny.

juankerr is right: Lighten up!

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You fail to point out or admit that I also said -

Panasonic have hinted that one of their latest BD players might be ok and suitably equipped for profile 1.1 but that remains very much untested.

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Untested or not it's still Profile 1.1. As long as it complies with the specs you can label it as 1.1.

So your next statement is still misinformation on your part. There is a Profile 1.1 player out in the market.

It doesn't matter if you changed it from Pioneer to Panasonic.

You're still busted.

Originally posted by error5:

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ROTFLMAO!

Geez, hughjars. It's so easy to ruffle your feathers it's not even funny.

juankerr is right: Lighten up!

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- Dude I'm all for recognising & accepting the limitations of 2D text on a screen but where on earth do you get the idea that I'm "ruffled" or in the least bit 'up tight' about any of this?

You put a couple of points to me, I disagreed and I so answered them.

No biggee and no drama.

Maybe you're thinking of someone else? - you know, the type who claim to 'love' or 'hate' international CE corporations? ;)

Oh, I see you edited in a little more baiting, ok.....

Originally posted by error5:

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Untested or not it's still Profile 1.1. As long as it complies with the specs you can label it as 1.1.

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- Technically that's true but in view of the history of the whole 'profile 1.1' & 'profile 2.0' I am highly skeptical, as you may guess. :P

Originally posted by error5:

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So your next statement is still misinformation on your part. There is a Profile 1.1 player out in the market.

It doesn't matter if you changed it from Pioneer to Panasonic.

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- You can hardly claim I've said there aren't any profile 1.1 players on the market when clearly I have said there might be one.

You mightn't like that 'might' but it's clearly a personal opinion and stated as such, I haven't misled anyone.

Originally posted by error5:

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You're still busted.

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- Naaa, but I think your edit must mean you're very bored & hoping for a little amusement out of this.
Sorry.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Naaa, but I think your edit must mean you're very bored & hoping for a little amusement out of this.
Sorry.

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Exactly right. Watching your knee jerk reaction to everything is very entertaining indeed - better than a shot of espresso in the morning.

Hughjars skeptical about BD that’s hard to believe… LOL

This is great news and when I mentioned it was going to happen, BDP’s for $300 or less, a couple of months ago all the cheapsters disputed it. Marketing buzz and a little common sense goes a long way. It about time to consider getting that BDP. :)

Originally posted by error5:

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Exactly right.

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- Oh dear error5, then what a sad state of affairs.

Originally posted by error5:

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Watching your knee jerk reaction

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- I doubt it's too unusual, certainly not the dramatic response you seem to want it to be.

You misquoted me and I merely corrected you. That's your idea of entertainment?!

Originally posted by error5:

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to everything

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- I've told you 1 million times, do not exaggerate!

Originally posted by error5:

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is very entertaining indeed - better than a shot of espresso in the morning.

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- Wow, what a horrible admission. You want to get out more.

Yours must be a very boring & dreary world if that kind of thing really is your idea of "very entertaining".

Mr-Movies.
Let's just see how sustained it is, or not, before accepting the sub $300 Blu-ray price point has really been reached.
You'll not be surprised to hear I have my doubts.

The Samsung BDP 1000 model has now gone, their BDP 2400 model was canned and they're now flogging off the BDP 1400's cheap.

I don't expect any new stocks once these are sold out and I'd expect Samsung to sell only dual format BDP 5000's
(and there are rumoured Samsung HD DVD players - they already make HD DVD laptop/notepads).

LMAO!

Thank you for proving my point hughjars.

"Knee jerk reaction to everything" is accurate and not an over-exaggeration.

...and quite amusing to boot.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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- Wow, what a horrible admission. You want to get out more.

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I get out quite a lot thank you.

The question is - do you?

Judging from your recent acdtivity in these forums I highly doubt it.

My only beef with the Samsung 1400 is that it's a step down from the 1200 which had the Reon HQV chip. Besides that, it's a pretty good entry level model. I've seen it in action a friend's setup and it compares favorably PQ wise with the PS3.

The Panasonic DMP-BD30 on the other hand is pretty impressive with it's bitstream transmission of True HD and Master Audio. I have it paired with an Onkyo TX-SR705 receiver which does the decoding. The DTS HD MA soundtrack on Live Free or Die Hard is demo quality.

Originally posted by error5:

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Judging from your recent acdtivity in these forums I highly doubt it.

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- Coooo, I post on a public tech board about tech stuff a few times during the day, well yeah hotshot, awwww you got me, I must have no life.

FFS wise up & tune in.

Go take your tedium & boredom elsewhere & try trolling someone else.

Originally posted by eatsushi:

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The Panasonic DMP-BD30 on the other hand is pretty impressive

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- I don't doubt it's a decent player but it's a lot of cash for what you get.

It's certainly no sub $300 player
(and it's no profile 2.0 player either - how many times should consumers be expected to buy into a format before it gets finalised)?

eatsushi: My Panasonic BD30 arrived yesterday and the Live Free or Die Hard disc was the very first thing I threw at it.

It was great to see the DTS HD MA on my Denon's display panel.

The 24fps output was also a sight to behold on my new 72Hz Pioneer plasma.

Originally posted by juankerr:

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eatsushi: My Panasonic BD30 arrived yesterday and the Live Free or Die Hard disc was the very first thing I threw at it.

It was great to see the DTS HD MA on my Denon's display panel.

The 24fps output was also a sight to behold on my new 72Hz Pioneer plasma.

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I just got off the phone with my friend and he confirms that the Samsung 1400 also passes DTS HD MA and True HD bitstream. He also has a decoding Onkyo. He says the 1st thing with the Sammy is to make sure you upgrade the firmware before playing anything.

Congrats on the Pioneer plasma. Is it one of the Kuro panels?

error5: How's the weather out there in Maui? LOL! ;)

HD player price dropped hurry limited supplies available
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...45&sku=T24-BDL1

The HD A3's only $218.60 on Amazon USA right now.

The HD A30 is $239.98 and the HD A35 is $328.

All with 10 freebie HD DVD movies.

IMO they're excellent deals
(and I'd say that those players are a damned sight better than the $269.99 Samsung, which is only profile 1.0 & well known for being buggy & problematic).

But it would be nice to know if Samsung are ditching Blu-ray stand-alone production (or just this BDP 1400) cos it might mean support for the player will be short.

(and bearing in mind how essential firmware updates are - particularly to the Blu-ray format with it's BD+ problems and/or possible pending problems as 'profile 1.1' & 'profile 2.0' movie discs start to appear - that's got to be something prospective owners need to know.
Not that the fanboy element would ever even bother to mention such an essential matter)

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LMAO!

Thank you for proving my point hughjars.

"Knee jerk reaction to everything" is accurate and not an over-exaggeration.

...and quite amusing to boot.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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- Wow, what a horrible admission. You want to get out more.

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I get out quite a lot thank you.

The question is - do you?

Judging from your recent acdtivity in these forums I highly doubt it.

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LMAO....That was funny i had to laugh.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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The HD A3's only $218.60 on Amazon USA right now.

The HD A30 is $239.98 and the HD A35 is $328.

All with 10 freebie HD DVD movies.

IMO they're excellent deals
(and I'd say that those players are a damned sight better than the $269.99 Samsung, which is only profile 1.0 & well known for being buggy & problematic).

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Excellent deals indeed, however, when the Blu-Ray camp offers free movies, or ever BOGO deals, every HDDVD fanboy decides that it is foul play, and that they mess up the sales numbers.

Originally posted by eatsushi:

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Congrats on the Pioneer plasma. Is it one of the Kuro panels?

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Thanks. It's a 50" Kuro. One of my friends had one and when he demo'd the 24fps output from the Panny BD30 I said I had to have one. Now most of my senior colleagues here at work have the BD30 and a Pioneer or Panasonic plasma. To be fair my Toshiba A30's 24fps is also excellent but I may have to upgrade to the A35 or even the XA2 to take advantage of bitstream audio transmission to my Denon.

(Hey, is error5 really in Maui or is it just a private joke?)

Originally posted by juankerr:

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I may have to upgrade to the A35 or even the XA2 to take advantage of bitstream audio transmission to my Denon.

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Bitstream from the Toshiba is a bit tricky though. If you want to hear audio from a PiP stream or any advanced content then you have to set it to LPCM not digital direct. If you don't there will be no audio in the PiP. The trade-off is that you don't get the decoding from the receiver. If you're not using the PiP and you're just watching the movie then you can leave it at digital direct/bitstream. At least this is what I've observed from my XA2. I think it's the same with the A35. Bitstream from the BD players is more straightforward.

Originally posted by juankerr:

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(Hey, is error5 really in Maui or is it just a private joke?)

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LOL! Just a private joke. I do know he's usually in a tropical climate during the winter months.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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LMAO....That was funny i had to laugh.

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- Cor, what a surprise, nextgen had to jump in with a (trademark) lame little dig too.

Nevermind nextgen, we all know what they say about how only simple things amuse the simplest minds.

Bless.

Originally posted by sciascia:

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Excellent deals indeed, however, when the Blu-Ray camp offers free movies, or ever BOGO deals, every HDDVD fanboy decides that it is foul play, and that they mess up the sales numbers.

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- Not just "fanboys".

It is simply the plain truth that sales numbers (that's actual sales) are being wildly distorted by such deals.

It's also true that HD DVD has come along to a limited buy-one-get-one-free deal very late in the day.

Lastly it is simply a fact that mail-in movie offers don't go through tills and therefore most of the HD DVD deals to date have had less of a distorting effect.

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Bitstream from the Toshiba is a bit tricky though. If you want to hear audio from a PiP stream or any advanced content then you have to set it to LPCM not digital direct. If you don't there will be no audio in the PiP. The trade-off is that you don't get the decoding from the receiver. If you're not using the PiP and you're just watching the movie then you can leave it at digital direct/bitstream. At least this is what I've observed from my XA2. I think it's the same with the A35. Bitstream from the BD players is more straightforward.

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That's interesting eatsushi. So you have to turn off direct digital on the HDMI in order to hear the PiP or advanced content. I guess the secondary audio channel doesn't get included in the bitstream transmission then. Am I right?

I've been thinking of trying out a new Onkyo or Denon with HD audio decoding. I've given up on DTS HD MA decoding in the players and I have a few EU titles that have Master Audio.

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Originally posted by nextgen76:

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LMAO....That was funny i had to laugh.

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- Cor, what a surprise, nextgen had to jump in with a (trademark) lame little dig too.

Nevermind nextgen, we all know what they say about how only simple things amuse the simplest minds.

Bless.

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So you must be very amused... :) LOL

You are so one sided it's a joke, have a good day huggy.

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That's interesting eatsushi. So you have to turn off direct digital on the HDMI in order to hear the PiP or advanced content. I guess the secondary audio channel doesn't get included in the bitstream transmission then. Am I right?

I've been thinking of trying out a new Onkyo or Denon with HD audio decoding. I've given up on DTS HD MA decoding in the players and I have a few EU titles that have Master Audio.

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I'm not sure what happens exactly to the secondary audio stream but somehow it doesn't pass thru the Onkyo's decoder. I do get the signal when I use the analogs or SPDIF though. I'll try to look around for an explanation.

This is what i have been wanting and i noticed it did not take as long as i once thought. Well done give it another month and it will drop further :)