Originally posted by DXR88:

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Heh. DVD had a scrach resistant coating too so did cd's. Whats worse is blu-ray has smaller pits smaller pits mean littler scatches to screw up the disc. back-ups are more important now than they have ever been.

Copy Protection doesnt phase me this BD+ is nothing more than a hardwire protection. people are just afraid of it because software hacks on it wont work. all it means is that. it stops average joe.

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Your right DVD did have a scratch resistant coating but nowhere near the protection that BD has on it.Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5jEbZt6AIQ


Glad im not the only one that doesn't have a issue with BD+.

I hope so Nexgen76 There gona need like clear titanium on the back of that thing.


i was sceptical of BD+ at first know i now how it works, what it does
and how to break it. simply put if you go for the level 3 hardware protection turn it off, level 1 becomes crippled useless, then level 2 wich is AACS has been defeated shouldent be no problim.

I remember reading some interview with Bill Gates. Where he says hes not bothered at all by the fact that HD-DVD may lose the format war. He believes in time, both will be obsolete and everyone will get their movies from downloading at lightning speeds on the internet. Would search for the link, but gotta go to work soon.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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That headline should read 'High St. retailers make way.....'
On-line retailers have plentiful stocks of HD DVD movies
(which, I might add and in contrast to all the 'fire-sale' BS, they are not selling off particularly cheaply either).

Oh there's a format war alright......you only have to look at the comments of the Blu-ray fanclub desperately trying to talk up their preferred format & talk over anyone else that dares say different.
(what a give-away)

Traditional shops might not have a massive HD DVD presence
(but then again it's all relative, the Blu-ray section in every shop I've ever seen with one is an extremely tiny fraction of the total space compared to the SD DVD section).

But so what?

I, like just about everyone I know (even those with a Blu-ray player) buy on-line these days and save a small fortune and buy where there is always stock of what I want available.

Blu-ray may well be the bigger presence in the old & dying form of retailing but I doubt it matters too much.

HD DVD can be found cheaper and in far wider & bigger stock on-line.

Sorry to disappoint the Blu-ray fanclub but HD DVD will be here next week, it'll be here next month & it'll be here next year and the year after that.
It isn't going away.

Some of the younger members might care to consider this;
2 years into the 1st video tape format wars VHS was pronounced dead
(and by the same people - only then it was Sony's Betamax product).....

......and look what happened there.

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lol, it looks more like the hd-dvd fanclub (hughjars) is desperately trying to talk up their preferred format & talk over anyone else that dares say different.

oh well, at leaast i wasnt the one to buy into the failed format.

At this point the idea of backing up blu-ray is rather redundant. The blank media is too expensive and there are several other stumbling blocks that prevent anyone from copying or playing a copy of a blu-ray discs. The only option in the foreseeable future is to have an htpc capable of displaying 1080p, along with a whole hell of a lot of hard drive space. This in the end stops the average consumer from even attempting to backup blu-ray.

Yes actual physical backups of a movie are important; I never lend out or trust anyone with my sd originals. The same thing goes for cd's if someone wants to borrow one I’ll gladly lend out my backups. Sure enough when my backup is returned there's any combination of soda/yager/potato chip grease and of course the scratches and gouges on what was a spotless clean disc the last time I saw it. Yes you can clean it and it will still play, but you’re still glad that it's not your original.

My point being if and when blu-ray becomes main stream I don't want to have to be an a-hole to my friends that take less than stellar care of their media. Everyone knows someone who has all their dvd's, games, and cd's stacked in random piles throughout their house/apartment. I've fixed dozens of pc/console games, dvd's/cd's with my skip doctor automax, and just as many were beyond repair.

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Everyone knows someone who has all their dvd's, games, and cd's stacked in random piles throughout their house/apartment. I've fixed dozens of pc/console games, dvd's/cd's with my skip doctor automax, and just as many were beyond repair.

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well thats why blu-ray has a protective layer, so it wont get scrached that easily

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well thats why blu-ray has a protective layer, so it wont get scrached that easily

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Even if the new protective layer is more scratch resistant I'll still be hesitant to lend out originals. I'm not sure if it's the multiple layers or the protective coating but neither hd-dvd nor blu-ray can be resurfaced, it essentially kills the disc completely. Although I highly doubt blu-ray is any more scratch resistant than other media I'll give it the benefit of the doubt until it's been around for a while longer.

Nexgen76 i watched The YT Vid Not impressed you see. first things first he got 10-15 seconds into the movie then he did some more tests. another thing is he never Scratched The laser Starting point so you would have seen nothing the first 10-i5 seconds into it.

Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Its kinda fun to listen to all the sony/PS3 fanboys go on about Blueray now. These will be the same idiots complaining when they can't make "backups" of their movies, or when they find out their player isn't compatible with one of Sony's latest "protection schemes." HD DVD is dead, I'll agree with them there however. Congrats guys, you picked a format that will limit your rights as a consumer.

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You can't freely copy dvd's now without have some sort of decryption program like anydvd. So why would BD be any different? There will always be ways to get around drm. I'm not saying it won't be harder since the newer players are expected to have their firmware updated regularly. That's one of the reasons we have sites like this. Studios aren't ever going to sell you a movie on dvd or what ever and say "here do whatever you want to with it".

HD-dvd used the block by block incryption scheme + AACS

also modding you blu-ray player like a game console doesnt sound to far fecthed at the moment. it may be you will have to do just that. think about it.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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That headline should read 'High St. retailers make way.....'
On-line retailers have plentiful stocks of HD DVD movies
(which, I might add and in contrast to all the 'fire-sale' BS, they are not selling off particularly cheaply either).

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Bull. The headline is completely accurate. The story is about what's being stocked in brick and mortar establishments, which is moving further toward Blu-ray on the whole. Online retailers don't have "shelf space" in the retail sense.

I think i'll just stick with sd-dvd's for now and wait a couple of years

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Originally posted by hughjars:

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That headline should read 'High St. retailers make way.....'
On-line retailers have plentiful stocks of HD DVD movies
(which, I might add and in contrast to all the 'fire-sale' BS, they are not selling off particularly cheaply either).

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Bull. The headline is completely accurate. The story is about what's being stocked in brick and mortar establishments, which is moving further toward Blu-ray on the whole. Online retailers don't have "shelf space" in the retail sense.

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It really getting out of hand people telling staff members they need to change there headlines.They don't make the news they just report it how it was received.If people got a issue with the headlines they should click the links that are on every article & report it to the source they got it from.


Have anyone seen this rumor right here?

New evidence that Paramount is going Blu?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/21/new...t-is-going-blu/

Oh no blue-ray one. I guess I'll have to take all of my HD-DVD's and go jump off a cliff. Sounds funner than reading page after page of "I told
you so".

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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It really getting out of hand people telling staff members they need to change there headlines.

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- Jeeezus wept but you really have no shame.

Did you do a couple of 'I'm only alarmed & concerned, no really' PMs about it as well?

I didn't "tell" anyone what to do, actually.

I made a comment about how the story only applies to B&M retailers, which is 100% correct.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Have anyone seen this rumor right here?

New evidence that Paramount is going Blu?

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- Even the Blu-est fanboys on engadget don't think it amounts to much (which is saying something).

Clearly you do (which is also saying something).

Originally posted by hughjars:

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- Even the Blu-est fanboys on engadget don't think it amounts to much (which is saying something).

Clearly you do (which is also saying something).

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Your right a rumor is a rumor but this rumor has started to take shape because a N4G member made a call to Amazon & this is what they said & on top of that they added two more BD for release.But if its false i don't have any issue with that because i know in a matter of time there going to become BDA members again.

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UPDATE 1: 2 more titles have been added to amazon: Failure to Launch and Freedom Writers.

UPDATE 2: One of the members on this site was helpful enough to contact amazon about the listings and he got the following reply:

"We have checked our website and confirm that the DVDs you are
mentioned are scheduled to release in March.

Our editorial staff are constantly working on increasing the information we provide about each item as it becomes available to us. However, the information currently displayed on the product's information page is all that has so far been made available to us from the manufacturer."

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There might be something to this....

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-102283.aspx

well i jumped on the blu-boat, i cant wait to get more blu-rays, picked up sunshine yesterday, and i want to watch it but i gotta study for exams, god damn exams, the hell with them, i got blu-rays to watch.

Peace

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Just for the record, I have no problem with anyone criticizing my work here or anywhere else. When I get something wrong, and occasionally I do, I'll be the first to admit it and make corrections as appropriate. However, I'm equally prepared to defend what I've written.

I haven't taken either side in this silly format war because, quite frankly, neither camp has taken my side. As soon as someone has a product worth buying I'll be ready to buy. Until then I have no qualms about sitting on the sidelines taking potshots at both of them.

Here's another one:

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Major Chicagoland retailer drops HD DVD support

By Mark Raby
Tuesday, January 22, 2008 13:04

Joliet (IL) - Grant's Appliances, one of the top 30 electronics retailers in the US, has joined the growing list of stores that have gotten rid of HD DVD and decided to promote Blu-ray exclusively.

According to a source at Grant's, the entire chain has stopped ordering new HD DVD supply, and the existing inventory has already been depleted.

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http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35721/117/

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Have anyone seen this rumor right here?

New evidence that Paramount is going Blu?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/21/new...ng-blu/

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- No, it isn't.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/23/ama...ed-erroneously/

both overpriced, both suck at that price.

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both overpriced, both suck at that price.

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You rock Fred :)

Maybe Toshiba and Sony should join forces, have major studios switch sides every couple of months, and watch the sheep go back and forth buying which ever one they think is going to win.

...and another one, this time in the UK:

http://www.t3.com/news/woolworths-blu-ray?=35152

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Woolworths backs Blu-Ray


The move comes after Blu-Ray outsold its rival in Woolies by a massive 10 to 1 over Christmas. The retailer is now the biggest seller of the format in the UK, with sales rising a massive 40% every month.

All 820 Woolworths stores here in the UK will get a Blu-Ray chart, as well as a back catalogue section.

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And CC

At least now they know wat format to invest in to make profit for each other.