I too believe in a green earth, but to all the finger pointers, If all you do is complain and do not add answers and solutions (realistic) to the discussion of the problem (s), you are no better than the ones you accuse, and in essence HYPOCRITES!

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I too believe in a green earth, but to all the finger pointers, If all you do is complain and do not add answers and solutions (realistic) to the discussion of the problem (s), you are no better than the ones you accuse, and in essence HYPOCRITES!

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I agree completely. Greenpeace should put some of their critical energy into finding viable solutions for those problems instead of just judging companies and not offering any realistic solutions to those problems. I am all for nontoxic products, but it is unrealistic to expect companies to produce such products unless there is an economic incentive to do so, as well as an economical manufacturing process.

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yeah thats a nice ship how much coal fossil fuel does it take to power that.

greenpeace is as worse as Peta

Aaaahhhh, Energy Effieiency, Now if Greenpiece on it's own right can develop and produce clean hydrogen (commercially, clean, and cheaply)via fusion reactors ( sustainable, affordable,possible, realistic, mass producible,green,safe, and no nuclear byproducts),then I promise them the Nobel Prizes in Physics,Economics, and Peace. If they can't, then the problem has already been adequately stated, and they can kindly shut up!

Quick question... Aren't some toxic products required for components in various devices as in thats the only way you can produce that piece with a desired effect? As for it being safe to our planet. Shouldn't they be more concerend that I may possibly be trying to eat my laptop, cell phone, or tv right now as I speak, digesting all these toxic chemicals...

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personally those tree spiking eco terrorists can kiss my ass.they have never offered the slightest realistic alternative.

errrrr.. no.. there are lots of alternatives. It's the greed of global capitalism which is unsustainable.

While the oil companies own governments there can and will be no change in the status quo. 400 years ago we all lived in a pretty much sustainable system. We looked after the ground that grew our food, or we starved. When the population got too high there were nice plagues and excellent famines to control the overburden of humans.

Now we need energy.. Ultimately all our energy comes from the sun.. ahh I hear you say, what about coal.. dead plants which grew using sunlight..
what about wind.. convection currents driven by the sun.. waves.. driven by the wind, which is made by the sun.. tides?? combination of sun and moon gravity.

We can easily provide ALL our energy needs from wind, wave, tidal, hydro and solar power.. but we need the resolve first to kick out the current greed system where energy is a profit commodity to be sold to the highest bidder.

Luckily I'm in my 40's so I will probably be dead and gone well before the real crisis hits in around 40 years. We need to change our way of looking at energy, and the way we make and store it. It is probably already too late to stop the global changes that are coming, but we should at least try... otherwise we are guaranteeing a human free future.

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Varnull, that is so very true.

Admittedly, my home isn't so green friendly (and I doubt most the AV enthusiasts on here have homes that are environmentally friendly either) but I completely agree with everything you just said.

I would like to know what you mean by alternatives. You did say that there are lots of alternatives but then you said "While the oil companies own governments there can and will be no change in the status quo". I am not trying to look for a way to show you contradicted yourself, instead I am truly interested to hear your ideas on modern day alternatives to the power hungry problems we face.

What can we do? Let's look for ideas to make a change.

If there is anything at all I can do, I will certainly do my part.


PS: Anything except have to give up the use of my Home Theater! Please don't let some naked hippie on crack chain themself to my LCD TV... Nooooooooo! :-P

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instead of woring about what chimicals there made out of why not find ways to dispose of such things,

when they pick up my trash im sure they dont search thru it to find bad chimicals, that would be an improvement right there. have the dump trucks load the trash on to a conveyer belt and have a scaner to seach for harmfull Materials.

Humans have a tendancy to wait untill its too late, to do anything about it.

major powers dont give a crap about what happen to the world around them untill it involves them.

We put men on the Moon, yet we cant solve one little problem.

when it 140 degree's out side and most of the sea level land in the world is flooded then we might think about it.

It could very well take another Civil war to get the leaders off there A$$es and do somthing

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False. If true what are they that are practicle and green and enough of?

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It's the greed of global capitalism which is unsustainable.

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Absolutely True!

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400 years ago we all lived in a pretty much sustainable system.

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True, but that was then and the avg life expectancy was 40 years

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We looked after the ground that grew our food, or we starved.

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Is starvation in the western world a viable answer (Think carefully before you speak all liberals )

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When the population got too high there were nice plagues and excellent famines to control the overburden of humans.

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Do we really want and can accept this?

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Now we need energy..
what about wind.. convection currents driven by the sun.. waves.. driven by the wind,

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If you don't mind any cars and trucks in life and only walk and bike

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which is made by the sun.. tides?? combination of sun and moon gravity

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Just not practicle enough ( also not enough of

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We can easily provide ALL our energy needs from wind, wave, tidal, hydro and solar power

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Just plain dreaming



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but we need the resolve first to kick out the current greed system where energy is a profit commodity to be sold to the highest bidder.

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So true

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