What an absolute joke. Just goes to show how low the gov is willing to stoop

What an absolute joke. Just goes to show how low the gov is willing to stoop

Originally posted by johnny121:

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Nice bit of rhetoric- that I'd dismiss it off-the-cuff....IF it weren't an attempt at promoting a personal agenda by using a buzz-word mentality. If politicians can create even a 'perceived' link between their pocket-lining lobbiests' special interests and the big, bad face of terrorism, they've won.

The sad fact is, if they can get enough mindless politicians to get onboard with it, they could cause some REAL change. And what politician doesn't want to jump on a bandwagon and proclaim they're "fighting terrorism"....especially when elections are near?

Keep your eye on the REAL ball here, people.

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bingo!!!

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Piracy, Paedophiles and Terrorism is how they are destroying our liberties with us all peacefully accepting it.

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Don't forget about drugs!

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BREAKING NEWS...

US Attorney General links piracy to Cancer, AIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and Flatulence...

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LMAO...

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The Attorney General also noted that his department was now giving more resources to prosecuting intellectual property crimes, which has led to a 40 percent increase in IP cases since 2005. "Criminal syndicates, and in some cases even terrorist groups, view IP crime as a lucrative business and see it as a low-risk way to fund other activities," Mukasey said. "A primary goal of our IP enforcement mission is to show these criminals that they're wrong."

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now I take that as not referring to dvd mass copying factories in China etc but a direct swipe at online sharers - after all - why would mass production of copied dvds etc need an IP ?

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By IP, he means INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY not INTERNET PROTOCOL. In other words, copyright laws.

I see people selling bootleg CD's and DVD's even in my small town, typically at the flea market or a corner store. It's ridiculous to make money off of this. At least I have enough tact to buy/pay/rent a CD/DVD and then make a backup copy of it, and not distribute it to anyone. I know I'm giving back to the industry making the IP and not terrorists! LOL

I'm not going to post all my points again as they contain more than enough material to support my thoughts but most of you are missing the point.

You are only looking out your window at your own backyard. We are talking on a gloabal scale here. If any of you have travelled to a developing or troubled (violent, terrorised etc.) Country then you will see a completely different culture where piracy is a huge business. It thrives so well that in many cases it is more lucrative than drugs! Many of the terrorist or criminal syndicates have their links to these operations in order to fund their activities. Now of course the article isn't stating that is the only way they make money... But... Getting a job certainly isn't on the agenda! :-P

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Who BUYS a bootleg anymore?

New Slogan the US Gov't can use.

Use BitTorrent! Or the Terrorists win!

The bomb has been diffused

hermes_vb, you have my sense of humor!

You've got to have a twisted sense of humor nowadays. With all the crap that's happening now, the alternative would be shipping some bombs via FedEx. LOL.

Piracy Does Not Fund Terrorism US Government Funds Terrorism they use humvees at the war in Iraq Humvees take city 13 Highway 16

they take up too much gas and where do they get it from the oil companies which fund terrorist groups plus who the hell buys pirated movies

@ Ryu77 ##

he is using terrorism as a way to clamp down on rights even further and introduce tighter control and higher penalties as there are already laws in place to deal with mass IP infringement on a large scale for criminal gangs/mafia.

you think this is a new phenomenon, America clamped down on IP years ago, why do you think the Large pharmaceuticals based in the US are allowed to pedal death to 3rd world countries by blocking cheap generic drugs (IP copywrite).

what would be interesting is to find out what lobbyists Michael Mukasey has been speaking to lately or recent bank transactions! As i'm sure the IFPI/MPAA would love all IP violations to be a criminal offence so the tax payers had to pay for their mass suits.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200...ding-bills.html

Originally posted by link:

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Published: April 15, 2008 - 10:50PM CT

For over a year, the RIAA has been going after file sharing on college campuses via the courts (it sent out another 569 "prelitigation settlement letters" just last week). Last year saw Big Content turn the pressure up on Congress to do something about P2P on college campuses: namely, trying to get legislation enacted that forces schools to act as copyright cops on the industry's behalf. A bill that includes this language passed the House of Representatives in February, while at least two states are considering bills with suspiciously similar language. The academic world seems to have become concerned about these bills, and is starting to do its own lobbying.

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college kids turn terrorists, who pays for bootlegs?

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nobrainer, the first statemt is fairly extreme

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you think this is a new phenomenon, America clamped down on IP years ago, why do you think the Large pharmaceuticals based in the US are allowed to pedal death to 3rd world countries by blocking cheap generic drugs (IP copywrite).

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pedal death? That sounds like a quote from one of the sueing lawyers. They can get pretty creative for a half billion dollars. I have no relationship to drug campanies nor do I have their stock but I happen to remember 2 of those 'pedal death' drugs.
One was the active ingrediant in Nyquill that made you drowsey and in hundreds of other over the counter drugs on the market for decaides. Women taking that drug during a heavy period had a 1 in a half million chance of stroking out. However, men and childern have a better chance getting hit by lightning than getting a stroke. I am pissing they took that one off the market. Another one killed persons who took the drug, drank alcohol and ate a certain normally, non posionuos mushroom. The mushroom doen't grow out side US and CA. What kind of harm could there be to export that? Every drug on that list had been used in the US for years before they were taken off the market. They are all esentially safe. There has been no evidence that (the US banned in the 60s) cyclomates cause any health hazzard what so ever. The data is big because the rest of the world never banned it. That law is a VERY GOOD law. It allows counties to ban a drug if they want to instead of having the US ban drugs for them. They have their own laws. Without that law we could not sell cyclomates to other countries even though we all know it is perfectly harmless. Just because he are totally f@cked up by lawyers doen't mean we have to inflict our insanity on the rest of the world unalaterally. ALL that law does is stop that. Pedded death I LOVE it! I would not take everything our law makers do or say as gosple like Michael Mukasey. Most of what happens is not about right and wrong but about how much money they were paid!

nobrainer, do you really thing the US is the only place that can make intelligent desisions and the rest of the world has only morons?

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what would be interesting is to find out what lobbyists Michael Mukasey has been speaking to lately or recent bank transactions! As i'm sure the IFPI/MPAA would love all IP violations to be a criminal offence so the tax payers had to pay for their mass suits.

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A bill in the justice committee like that was killed as soon as they announced their intentions last Sept. It was likely shelfed until after the elections.

Mez
was it venezuela that got so fed up with corporate dckyer they went into the generic drug making business and "overlooked" IP law in order to get the drugs to the people at the best cost?

Thats American class ingenuity right there, its sad to see American has gotten fat lazy and to eager to to cry holier than thou every chance hey get.

I love how terrorism is the scape goat for everything now. All you ever hear about is terrorism this, terrorism that. Whatever, look at the real underlying problems.

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Originally posted by goodswipe:

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I love how terrorism is the scape goat for everything now. All you ever hear about is terrorism this, terrorism that. Whatever, look at the real underlying problems.

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one of my fav zipyisims yet

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Zippyisim: The terrorists have given the US government everything they need to set democracy back 100 years.

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A zippyisim is a misconstrued/warped sentence/word group mixing meanings and themes for humor or to make a point or both or sometimes to just be incomprehensible.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by goodswipe:

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I love how terrorism is the scape goat for everything now. All you ever hear about is terrorism this, terrorism that. Whatever, look at the real underlying problems.

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one of my fav zipyisims yet

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Zippyisim: The terrorists have given the US government everything they need to set democracy back 100 years.

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A zippyisim is a misconstrued/warped sentence/word group mixing meanings and themes for humor or to make a point or both or sometimes to just be incomprehensible.

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LOL, zippyism..I like that. Yea, I can go on and on for hours about this topic. But this might would be like trying to argue religion. Some people will not listen.

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Originally posted by goodswipe:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by goodswipe:

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I love how terrorism is the scape goat for everything now. All you ever hear about is terrorism this, terrorism that. Whatever, look at the real underlying problems.

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one of my fav zipyisims yet

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Zippyisim: The terrorists have given the US government everything they need to set democracy back 100 years.

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A zippyisim is a misconstrued/warped sentence/word group mixing meanings and themes for humor or to make a point or both or sometimes to just be incomprehensible.

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LOL, zippyism..I like that. Yea, I can go on and on for hours about this topic. But this might would be like trying to argue religion. Some people will not listen.

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Religion is like sex, it should not be "done" in public, however this dose not mean one cannot be sexy or devout in public.:ZippyDSMlee

Zippyisim:
Jesus was the greatest hippie to walk the earth, wondering the land doing odd jobs getting in trouble with authority and imparting his odd sense of wisdom on those that lended them their ears, all hail the hippie king MMMAAnnnnnn!. :ZippyDSMlee

:P

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LOL! Man, what kinda meds are you taking? I need some...you're way too chippy or shall I say, Zippy!

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Originally posted by goodswipe:

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LOL! Man, what kinda meds are you taking? I need some...you're way too chippy or shall I say, Zippy!

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No meds sadly...my moods might stabilize 0-o
lest I can keep self sane with these


http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/647497

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/630679

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@ Mez

i do not mean pedal death by supplying dangerous drugs, i mean that America abuses the life of the earth's inhabitants by constantly trying to block cheap drugs by abusing the WTO, as pharmaceutical drugs fall under IP/Copywrite laws. What American policy continually shows is that its only ok for ppl to survive if they pay the US the right to do so!

U.S. blocks trade agreement on generic drug access in poor countries

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On December 20, international trade talks in Geneva, Switzerland failed to resolve the major remaining issue on access to generic versions of patented medicines in developing countries to meet public-health needs. All 143 other countries were ready to accept a compromise text negotiated on December 16. But the U.S. insisted on an additional restriction--to limit the agreement to AIDS, tuberculosis, malaria, and similar major epidemics. Cancer, heart disease, asthma, and hundreds of other illnesses would have been excluded. Developing countries would not accept this restriction, and European countries did not want to re-open the difficult negotiations.

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US firms try to block cheap Aids drugs

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The US, under pressure from its giant pharmaceutical companies, is trying to undermine the use in poor countries of cheap, copycat Aids drugs, made by "pirate", generic companies but validated by the World Health Organisation, campaigners claim.

US drug companies want the money promised for President George Bush's Aids plan to be spent on their products.

The American department of health and human sciences has now convened a conference in Botswana at the end of the month that will question the WHO's approval process for generic drugs, known as "pre-qualification".

If the cheap drugs, which sell for less than £165 per patient per year, are discredited and the more expensive brand-name drugs are bought instead, the limited money available for treatment will help fewer people

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there is more to copywrite than movies and music. courporate media usually does not mention the blocking of "pirate medicine" but this is one of the main forms of IP theft that America constantly tries to block, as they hold most of the patents of drugs, which is why i say "pedal death", you can live if you pay the USA otherwise just die!

Brazil to break Aids drug patent

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Brazil's president has authorised the country to bypass the patent on an Aids drug manufactured by Merck, a US pharmaceutical giant.

The country will import a cheaper, generic Indian-made version of the patented Efavirenz drug.

The decision came after talks between Brazil and the US company broke down.

Merck had offered Brazil a 30% discount on the cost of the drugs but the country wanted to pay the same price as Thailand, which gets a larger discount.

Small royalty

Merck offered Brazil almost a third off the cost - pricing the pills at $1.10 (£0.55) instead of $1.59.

But Brazil wanted its discount pegged at same level as Thailand, which pays just $0.65 per pill.

Now, though, it will source Indian-made versions of Efavirenz for just $0.45 each.

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imho, good for Brazil as LIFE is more important than money but the USA pahrma think that cash is more important than life.

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What American policy continually shows is that its only ok for ppl to survive if they pay the US the right to do so!

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Amen to that! There's no money in the cure man. It's all about the comeback. America is a bunch of space age drug dealers. How do drug dealers stay in business? Like I said, it's all about the comeback. Magic Johnson is a prime example of that. If he was your average Joe, he would be dead by now.

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@ Mez

i do not mean pedal death by supplying dangerous drugs, i mean that America abuses the life of the earth's inhabitants by constantly trying to block cheap drugs by abusing the WTO, as pharmaceutical drugs fall under IP/Copywrite laws. What American policy continually shows is that its only ok for ppl to survive if they pay the US the right to do so!

U.S. blocks trade agreement on generic drug access in poor countries

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On December 20, international trade talks in Geneva, Switzerland failed to resolve the major remaining issue on access to generic versions of patented medicines in developing countries to meet public-health needs. All 143 other countries were ready to accept a compromise text negotiated on December 16. But the U.S. insisted on an additional restriction--to limit the agreement to AIDS, tuberculosis, malaria, and similar major epidemics. Cancer, heart disease, asthma, and hundreds of other illnesses would have been excluded. Developing countries would not accept this restriction, and European countries did not want to re-open the difficult negotiations.

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US firms try to block cheap Aids drugs

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The US, under pressure from its giant pharmaceutical companies, is trying to undermine the use in poor countries of cheap, copycat Aids drugs, made by "pirate", generic companies but validated by the World Health Organisation, campaigners claim.

US drug companies want the money promised for President George Bush's Aids plan to be spent on their products.

The American department of health and human sciences has now convened a conference in Botswana at the end of the month that will question the WHO's approval process for generic drugs, known as "pre-qualification".

If the cheap drugs, which sell for less than £165 per patient per year, are discredited and the more expensive brand-name drugs are bought instead, the limited money available for treatment will help fewer people

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there is more to copywrite than movies and music. courporate media usually does not mention the blocking of "pirate medicine" but this is one of the main forms of IP theft that America constantly tries to block, as they hold most of the patents of drugs, which is why i say "pedal death", you can live if you pay the USA otherwise just die!

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One of the problems with the IP/CP racket, they are trying to get blood from stone.

Some freedom fighter...

"give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar"

(apparently {quote} some beardy bloke called Jesus, who wandered around Judea with a gang of big hard men frightening the law abiding populace while running an agenda of telling the masses what they wanted to hear)..

In the context "roman taxes are unfair".. is that money, respect, disdain or the finger??

As for asia where commercial piracy exists on a massive scale (and in the UK).. It's a supply and demand thing. If the movie business would be prepared to supply product at a fair and not vastly over inflated price then the pirates would find it hard to compete..

And yes.. I have profited from pirate movies from. Usually when they aren't available to buy... supply and demand.

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If the movie business would be prepared to supply product at a fair and not vastly over inflated price then the pirates would find it hard to compete..

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I don't think that would stop it. People are ruled by money. It will never stop as long as there are Benjamin's to be made.

Cash Rules Everything Around Me...

C.R.E.A.M get the money...

Dolla dolla bills ya'll...

Word to yer mother son!

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Originally posted by varnull:

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Some freedom fighter...

"give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar"

(apparently {quote} some beardy bloke called Jesus, who wandered around Judea with a gang of big hard men frightening the law abiding populace while running an agenda of telling the masses what they wanted to hear)..

In the context "roman taxes are unfair".. is that money, respect, disdain or the finger??

As for asia where commercial piracy exists on a massive scale (and in the UK).. It's a supply and demand thing. If the movie business would be prepared to supply product at a fair and not vastly over inflated price then the pirates would find it hard to compete..

And yes.. I have profited from pirate movies from. Usually when they aren't available to buy... supply and demand.

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the problem is industry regoinlizes things and tries to price fix the process, hey should to larger aeras covering 2-4 languages with version of it.

getting multilingual dvds out in a timely fashion work on the the 5 main languages then fill in with regional multilingual there after and do all this within 15 months of the film hitting the big screen.

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