Is it not possible to hot swap the drives in these things?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6qV3EiuaHI

why are these console makers, making a large HD, a huge buy time decision, when the actual price between a 60gig and 120gig or larger is only a few dollars, what a feckin rip off, or am i missing the point?

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xbox360 has supports HDD sizes up too 2TB, however xbox live will ban you if they see anything over 160GB.

Xbox360 hdd uses the same locking mechanism as the xbox hdd,

but to answer your question yes, you could use any hdd on any of xbox models. you could use pro hdd in the core system.

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however xbox live will ban you if they see anything over 160GB.

Xbox360 hdd uses the same locking mechanism as the xbox hdd,

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Thx God PS3 don't have this issue Sony let people upgrade to a bigger HD of there choice.

Originally posted by DXR88:

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xbox360 has supports HDD sizes up too 2TB, however xbox live will ban you if they see anything over 160GB.

Xbox360 hdd uses the same locking mechanism as the xbox hdd,

but to answer your question yes, you could use any hdd on any of xbox models. you could use pro hdd in the core system.

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Has MS ever given a reason why they don't allow you to go over 160 gigs?

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Thx God PS3 don't have this issue Sony let people upgrade to a bigger HD of there choice.

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but they do still charge extortionate prices for a larger hard drive when the cost a dollar or two between models the same as what m$ could do here but lets hope there is a price drop and larger hard drive.

Originally posted by DXR88:

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xbox360 has supports HDD sizes up too 2TB, however xbox live will ban you if they see anything over 160GB.

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are you joking?

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No. Nor will They, Xbox HDD is Formated In FATX its Fat32 with Extra Security Information, including the lockout code.

thats not the problem. people know how to get around the lock code,
the problem is the trigger in the dashboard itself.

by putting a HardDiskDrive bigger than 160GB, You break the license agreement. witch states something about reverse engineering software used on the system. They way it stands. FATX is Xbox Main Partition Format.

Why 160GB, is what i want to know, My guess is they will release a 160GB attachment.

nobrainer, seriously, can you post a comment in a console related article without somehow bashing sony? you know i dont agree with you on a lot of things but you take it too far man. i could sit here and justify why an 80 gig is better than 40 but i know you will have something smart to say. well, im going to do it anyways...

40 gig model:
2 usb ports

80 gig model:
4 usb ports
backwards compatible
CF port
SD/mini SD port
PRO port

That to ME if worth a hundred bucks. Sony gives you the option to upgrade, they are not trying to fool anybody. instead of saying they are ripping you off look at it ALL. forget production price, lets look at retail price. You ARE getting your money's worth.

I slowly see Microsoft losing the war to attract more gamers and warrant current owners to upgrade. Microsoft is starting to make Sony like mistakes, the price point they keep puting the 360 at and not giving us MORE for what we pay is disastrous. Compared to all the things you get with a 40GB PS3 such as Blu-ray, 40GB hard drive and wi-fi, Microsoft needs to do much more than release another SKU with a semi-larger hard drive. They need to up the hard drive space AND price cut it by at least $50 accross the board for all SKU's or be left in Sony's dust as they dominate this generation as they did last! I now see Sony constantly offering more and lowering the price, Microsoft needs to follow suit!

I still see sony offering more and more HW, but given the game library they have will not see me paying the price they're asking for, even more if you consider that almost all games that i may find interesting are as well available for xbox

Originally posted by DXR88:

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xbox360 has supports HDD sizes up too 2TB, however xbox live will ban you if they see anything over 160GB.

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hahaha lmao and you people call sony anti-cunsomer? hahaha

Originally posted by fgamer:

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Compared to all the things you get with a 40GB PS3 such as Blu-ray, 40GB hard drive and wi-fi,

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plus Rechargeable Controllers + free online gaming.

Originally posted by grkblood:

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80 gig model:
4 usb ports
backwards compatible
CF port
SD/mini SD port
PRO port

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and the looks of the 60gb version that has everything in chrome and the playstation 3 poping out from the upper side of the PS3 that is also in chrome.

The hell, why does every Console based thread turn into a fight.

I like Some Ms products, i like Some Sony products. and i like some Third world products.

you see if HD-DVD was the victor the PS3 would be in the same bind as xbox.

Look, ill be the first to admit that the Xbox is guna need alot of support. if they keep going the way there going yes they will lose a good share of Profit.

Why is profit red, because its the only thing multi billion dollar company care about. they don't care about you, or why You think there console is better. They want your money thats it.

i remember when gaming was an ideal, not a debate. game developers would share there ideas, now its against company policy to be talking to other game company's. its a new holly-wood.

MS is milking the 360 for all its gotten making propitiatory hardware to sale at double premiums, its a fcking SHAM.

nobrainer
The PS3 is a costly console to make so don't diss them to harshly they have at least dropped the price sure BWC has been abandon for now but all in all the PS3 is shaping up nicely they could do better but so can Nin and MS.

DXR88
MS has 2 choices status quo until new console comes out, make the 360 a real HD media center by putting a BR drive in it and unlocking the HDD via a 40$ kit,the new consoles will have this by default and they will not cost more than what they currently are.

I really wish MS would break the chains and make the 360 a great system but I guess its to late.

Originally posted by DXR88:

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Look, ill be the first to admit that the Xbox is guna need alot of support. if they keep going the way there going yes they will lose a good share of Profit.

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Be reminded that Microsoft did not make a penny of profit on their entertainment division until a couple of months ago...and the 360 was released in 2005. They will really have to put up a fight if they want to keep that minuscule profit they have just started making on the console.

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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Look, ill be the first to admit that the Xbox is guna need alot of support. if they keep going the way there going yes they will lose a good share of Profit.

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Be reminded that Microsoft did not make a penny of profit on their entertainment division until a couple of months ago...and the 360 was released in 2005. They will really have to put up a fight if they want to keep that minuscule profit they have just started making on the console.

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MS dose not live for profit in tis sub devisions but as a whole, I truly think they will have to add a BR drive to them ontop of that make a uni HDD kit without changing the price of new units, yes they will lose money for a while but its no worse than bringing out a new console to soon.

And devs wont be making BR games at first if they do it would be as a SE version of it after a couple years BR 360 games on the 360 could be the norm but MS is just sinking into the brimy currently they need to make the 360 the PS3s equal and that means BR and uni hdds,as well as better free live service at no more than the cost of a PS3, the up side to all this is perfecting the next console and ensuring it will not only be "media ready" (unlike the 360 was) but built as the backbone of the brand with BWC(even if tis an optional add on I'll buy it but looking at the sad and faded 360 its not worth 200+...).

What's up all? Anyone know if that's going to be the "jasper" model with the smaller gpu? Thanx in advance.

Originally posted by Zippy:

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The PS3 is a costly console to make so don't diss them to harshly they have at least dropped the price sure BWC has been abandon for now but all in all the PS3 is shaping up nicely they could do better but so can Nin and MS.

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Actually there is a strong source thats reporting that Sony going to release a FW for the 40GB that going to allow BWC in the very,very near future.Its going to be software emulation like the 80GB.

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Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Originally posted by Zippy:

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The PS3 is a costly console to make so don't diss them to harshly they have at least dropped the price sure BWC has been abandon for now but all in all the PS3 is shaping up nicely they could do better but so can Nin and MS.

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Actually there is a strong source thats reporting that Sony going to release a FW for the 40GB that going to allow BWC in the very,very near future.Its going to be software emulation like the 80GB.

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So they been working on it?
GOOD cheap arseholes, once it passes fan inspection and is confirmed to be better or as good as the BWC hardware I'll cut them some slack :P

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Here is the link.........

http://www.ps3news.com/PlayStation3/rumo...irmware-update/

Originally posted by pstamer:

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What's up all? Anyone know if that's going to be the "jasper" model with the smaller gpu? Thanx in advance.

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You know it just might be im not 100% sure. but it good to speculate as im sure the didn't release a new console for a new harddrive.

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Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Thx God PS3 don't have this issue Sony let people upgrade to a bigger HD of there choice.

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but they do still charge extortionate prices for a larger hard drive when the cost a dollar or two between models the same as what m$ could do here but lets hope there is a price drop and larger hard drive.

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Please tell me a company that dont do this. You just love playing Sony bashing game.
And grkblood said, the difference between the 40gig and 80gig is more than just the hard drive. But you would never mention that because you can never give Sony any credit for anything.

Oh no, ANOTHER Xbox SKU. Look, I own a 360, and outside of paying for Live and a DVD drive that doesn't want to open/close sometimes, I like it. Honestly though, how about cutting the PRO SKU altogether and dropping the price of the Elite? The Xbox Arcade bundle is a sham too, unless you don't save too much info.

I actually agree with Zippy about the whole drive pricing issue. It's stupid when the competitor lets you drop any drive you wish into its console. Who cares about FATX? Can't the 360 format on the fly, and then force you to reformat for PC use, much like adding a drive to a DirecTV system?

I know the short answer is NO, for fear of people creating software to read FATX, and then onto bigger and better things, like removing DRM from Marketplace purchases. So instead of giving the consumer a choice, they lock us with DRM. Great.

Also, would everyone just give it up with the Blu-Ray for 360 crap already? There's already enough confusion between SKUS and hard feelings of RRoD, HD-DVD, etc. for us to even fathom Blu-Ray movies on the 360, let alone Blu-Ray games, which would finally alienate the rest of the fanbase, much like Sega did hashing out Sega CD, and then dropping support for 32X, and then dropping support of that for Saturn, then... well, you get my point.

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Also, would everyone just give it up with the Blu-Ray for 360 crap already? There's already enough confusion between SKUS and hard feelings of RRoD, HD-DVD, etc. for us to even fathom Blu-Ray movies on the 360, let alone Blu-Ray games, which would finally alienate the rest of the fanbase, much like Sega did hashing out Sega CD, and then dropping support for 32X, and then dropping support of that for Saturn, then... well, you get my point.

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I totally agree with this. A blue-ray add-on would only complicated things more for Microsoft. Yeah it would be nice but think about things from the marketing stratedgy view. Seems like the same people are posting this idea but not realising that you dont turn your back on the multimillion fans that have bought your console already at this current point and force them to spend more money to continue to enjoy games on the console. If Microsoft did this what is more likely. That people would fork out the extra money for the BR add on (remember a lot of people still feel burnt with the RROD), or just go and buy a PS3 since it already has a BR drive and you dont have to worry about hardware issue again?

They should offer the 60 GB hard drive seperate for what they want for the 20 GB Drive. I WOULD use their movie download space, but I dont have the drive space to spare.

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I actually agree with Zippy about the whole drive pricing issue. It's stupid when the competitor lets you drop any drive you wish into its console. Who cares about FATX? Can't the 360 format on the fly, and then force you to reformat for PC use, much like adding a drive to a DirecTV system?

I know the short answer is NO, for fear of people creating software to read FATX, and then onto bigger and better things, like removing DRM from Marketplace purchases. So instead of giving the consumer a choice, they lock us with DRM. Great.

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they do its called eXplorer360 and it reads fatx just fine,

but to more speculation, i believe there will be a add your own hardrive attachment and there keeping it under wraps, for now.
i also think it will be for usb, why. i noticed that the rear usb port
has increased bandwidth and slightly higher speeds than the front two.

again im just speculating.