Originally posted by david94:

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i say we get rid of the f**king government, this country will do betta without it.
and the government will never be able to tackle with piracy and stuff because they have tried it be4 and never worked

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Er..yeah! Lets get rid of the government! Who needs roads, sewage treatment, water, electricity, and lets not forget the military. Navy SEALs and Green Berets aren't corporations you know..and no one is better at fighting terrorists than them.

well y then do they suddenly think tht a little free music is more important than immigrants and terrorists coming into this country.

Originally posted by david94:

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i see were ur coming from but it will be 2 much hassel, the data will not be readable once downloaded and put together agen,(possibly)
and the isp's will still find u downloading illegally unless u can make somekind of p2p for torrents only just like a torrent website but as a p2p network.isp's dont see things like limewire or p2p software because u r not going online onto websites.

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...as for the "2 much hassel" - what is'nt now days LOL! People have
been know to put-up with all kinds of cr*p to get what they need.
...I'm sure isp's will always see something...but if they can only
see "garbage" then the only way would be is that amount of bandwidth
that you are using...which could raise a "level of question" in
their minds. Although you might be using something like limewire to
hide your p2p, the amount of traffic you a using/generating is up for
question...and might raise the "red flag" when they start looking.
...just an idea for these issues.
Cheers!

since isp's cant see wot ur downloading wen u use limewire, i think it would be a good idea if u could have something like limewire but for torrents only, so u can carry on downloading ur torrents into woteva bittorrent software u use.but isp's cant see wot it is, only bandwith.

LOL limewire..

rlessmue idea

does any 1 kno how hard this would b 2 make?

because if we tell the right people like the people who make utorrent, azureus...etc we could get this of the ground?

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Has the “Mods” been in half of the comments on this thread have been deleted freedom of speech Afterdawn or have we lost that as well?

Originally posted by killalot:

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Has the “Mods” been in half of the comments on this thread have been deleted freedom of speech Afterdawn or have we lost that as well?

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umm i think your grammar needs a bit of work

limewire fine if you only want music but to dl films and games you should use tpb and seeing as gamesw like medal of honour airbourne and prince caspian game r a 6-7 gb download then u have to use tpb with utorrent or azures limewire except for music is full of virusses
so get invisible browsing and use tpb happy dl enjoy

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Originally posted by killalot:

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Has the “Mods” been in half of the comments on this thread have been deleted freedom of speech Afterdawn or have we lost that as well?

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umm i think your grammar needs a bit of work

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Umm what’s that? What a prick. which part don’t you understand.

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Originally posted by killalot:

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Has the “Mods” been in half of the comments on this thread have been deleted freedom of speech Afterdawn or have we lost that as well?

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umm i think your grammar needs a bit of work

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Umm what’s that? What a prick. which part don’t you understand.

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hmm sorry didnt mean to hurt your feelings or anything.. but you missed out on some words or i dont know maybe itll be better read with punctuation..but i dont get anything of what you tried to convey, not a clue..

wot dont you get you THICKO

sorry u dont get r u a newbie or something ohh u r arnt u

if ur gonna start sumin lik dis up then do it somewere else

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Originally posted by killalot:

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Has the “Mods” been in half of the comments on this thread have been deleted freedom of speech Afterdawn or have we lost that as well?

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umm i think your grammar needs a bit of work

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Umm what’s that? What a prick. which part don’t you understand.

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hmm sorry didnt mean to hurt your feelings or anything.. but you missed out on some words or i dont know maybe itll be better read with punctuation..but i dont get anything of what you tried to convey, not a clue..

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Mods = Moderators Admin = Administrators If you had been on this topic since it was active you would have realised some of the comments have been deleted go back to your dark room and masturbate over ?????? “Fool”

Happy get a grip as well

But I've only just arrived to find 3 kiddies need to put toys back in pram.

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sorry didnt mean to get suspended but some people really hack me off can only take so much

hi culpeck back i get suspended fine but the kiilalot mentions kiddie porn should be banned for life sick any one who even mentions or suggests i go and watch it does he realise the trauma these kids are put through so y isnt he banned for life killalot you need help

iv got to agree "kiddie porn", thts just over the top and sick.

Ok kids... check it out..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/25/...es_dead_hurrah/

Looks like our constant bickering at and harassment of OUR representatives has had an effect.

victory is ours

Now when we get these threatening letters lets DEMAND to see actual proof that we downloaded and uploaded infringing content... then invoke the "court order needed to run electronic surveillance unless in interests of national security" law... hahahahaha.. that's going to be fun.. They have to admit breaking the "right to privacy of electronic communications" laws (a criminal offence) to accuse us of a little bit of copyright infringement (a civil misdemeanour)

Give it up already.. you have lost before you start. I can see the smaller isp's getting big quickly....

BTW.. this year Branson replaces Noel Edmonds in the "which smug beardy idiot do you want to kick in the nuts?" challenge which is held on one of my sites every xmas. XD

awwww... cmon.. a colleague posts great info like that and you guys sit back and don't mention it.. we wins.. we says arse!.. and big ups to Fergal for being still punk as f---

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For those saying lets switch to a limewire type system - it would be pointless.

The system so far works like this:

- BPI monitor bittorrent users as a downloader/uploader themselves, they log the IP addresses of those who connect to them downloading or uploading, it doesn't really matter now.

- BPI pass the IP address, time/date, and file to the ISP who owns that IP pool

- ISP digs out the logs of who was using that IP address at the time/date the BPI claim, and send you 2 letters - one from them, and one from the BPI, and you also get a counter increment for copyright infringement.

So - if you use limewire - they will do the same thing, just stick files for download on that system, and wait for you to connect to the BPI's computer to download and log your info.

It doesn't matter if your connection between you and the BPI is encrypted on bitorrent or limewire, they know your IP address and the file you are downloading because you are connecting to them!!

So in this system the ISP's arn't monitoring anything, the ISP's arn't giving out your details to the BPI (yet), and all the BPI know is that one of their trusted ISP's had an illegal downloader and that downloader should now be sufficiently scared not to do it again. If they do, then the ISP will deal with the messy work of disconnecting them, without any messy court fee's or having to prove anything.

Eventually all the other ISP's need to sign up to the same system, otherwise the government have threatened legislation to force them to sign up to a system of the governments choice, which so far involves some mystical filtering technology that hasn't been proven to work or even exist (our politicians believe anything dodgy IT or media companies tell them).

The BPI have already won... we are sort of screwed - as far as p2p is concerned anyway.

Now we need to switch to darknets and usenet type systems, where you only download from a pool of trusted people or a trusted server using encrypted connections - or you come up with a new p2p client that somehow anonomises ip addresses by using proxys.

There is another option though - for somebody unfairly sent a letter and disconnected, then for that person to have enough money to hire solicitors to sue the crap out of the BPI for wrongful termination of their internet connection (when they start that round), and for the government to put the burden of truth on the BPI - then it becomes too expensive for the BPI to follow this route.

Until then, it's trail without jury, the BPI claims an IP address (easily spoofed) was downloading something at a certain time, and whether you were or not if you had that IP address at the time you are deemed guilty and the letters or disconnection follows, no recourse, no messy proof!!

rlessmue, not everyone lives in England. Also many torrent users do not pay attention to much so they would be completely confused by your scheme. As proof of torrent user ignorance, try turning on the encryption on your torrent client. If you do that the ISPs can still tell you are using torrents but they will not know what you are downloading.

As for going to simple P2P like Limewire. They are the ones getting sued. There have not been any torrent users sued to my knollage. Why go after totrrent users when you can pick off persons asking to be caught.

How about Virgin media and bskyb tv channels try and give us american tv programs when they get shown in america instead of having to wait 6 months. That would reduce tv program downloads which would be better for them but NO. They have to help the government charge little sally downloading music for her ipod while the big pirating operations go unchecked. I also read somewhere that JOSS STONE doesn't care if you download her music illegally as long as you hear it and visit her shows. Why aren't all artists like her? To answer my own question, it wouldn't matter what they thought cos the producers and all that would complain and say we don't get enough money. Simon cowell has so much he gave smething like $80,000 to some people to pay there mortgage off cos there child was sick.

And even if you end up going to court for downloading, its gonna be a hefty fine and then you can go home. This is the government gaining back some of that 1Billion. Also stop giving imagrants so much money, money for a car, which they sell for a profit and buy some more and do they same again, money to live on every two weeks, I heard a rumour they get extra to "socialise" - go down the pub.

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well y then do they suddenly think tht a little free music is more important than immigrants and terrorists coming into this country.

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Its to hard they send immigrants home but they just end up staying illegally. And who needs them, we should use the australian immigration policy.


I think i'm done :)

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