And henceforth known as the demise of YouTube. Honestly, people dont give one damn about streaming movies (at least not the masses). We already KNOW how to stream. We "stream" from Usenet, P2P and BitTorrent, among many others.

Colossal waste of f'ing time!!

Originally posted by windsong:

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And henceforth known as the demise of YouTube. Honestly, people dont give one damn about streaming movies (at least not the masses). We already KNOW how to stream. We "stream" from Usenet, P2P and BitTorrent, among many others.

Colossal waste of f'ing time!!

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Some people will support companies. I personally don't mind using Hulu over BitTorrent. My issues were never with hating a corporation or not wanting to see content creators make money. If there is a convenient, free and legal way i'll choose that over convenient, free and illegal. I think alot of people are like that.

Originally posted by atomicxl:

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Originally posted by windsong:

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And henceforth known as the demise of YouTube. Honestly, people dont give one damn about streaming movies (at least not the masses). We already KNOW how to stream. We "stream" from Usenet, P2P and BitTorrent, among many others.

Colossal waste of f'ing time!!

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Some people will support companies. I personally don't mind using Hulu over BitTorrent. My issues were never with hating a corporation or not wanting to see content creators make money. If there is a convenient, free and legal way i'll choose that over convenient, free and illegal. I think alot of people are like that.

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I agree. But.. the quality needs to be there. I don't want to try watching the typical youtube cramped bandwidth stops every few minutes to cache flashplayer nightmare. Why not stream properly using sopcast technology at decent resolution and high bandwidth.

Oh.. hold on.. the ISP's are capping all our bandwidth limits making any high quality streamed content they don't provide at a price we have to pay impossible. Watch out.. The ISP's have plans to turn into subscription streamed cable tv companies.. goodbye internet... :(

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You'd have to watch hella movies to max out 250 GB in a month. Don't use bandwidth caps as an excuse. Especially if you haven't actually measured how much bandwidth you currently use in a month.

3gb a day.. at a max 252Kbp/s.. don't lecture me unless you know what EXACT cappings people are on. I'm pretty bloody sure our Australian members and a lot of capped Europeans would find your comment arrogant and offensive., We don't all live in totalitarian arrogant USA y'know.

FYI.. I run a webserver from home.. I KNOW TO THE BIT how much data goes in and out of my WAN connection in a month... bet you don't

stupid newbie likes to play with fire. hehehe

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Originally posted by varnull:

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3gb a day.. at a max 252Kbp/s.. don't lecture me unless you know what EXACT cappings people are on. I'm pretty bloody sure our Australian members and a lot of capped Europeans would find your comment arrogant and offensive., We don't all live in totalitarian arrogant USA y'know.

FYI.. I run a webserver from home.. I KNOW TO THE BIT how much data goes in and out of my WAN connection in a month... bet you don't

stupid newbie likes to play with fire. hehehe

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At that speed I wouldn't bother to run a webserver from home. If you care so much pay more for a decent connection or host your server from a data center like anyone with half a brain does.

Bandwidth caps suck but they are there to protect the network from abuse. If everyone uploaded gigs and gigs of "Linux Isos" constantly you would choke the connection. If you are going to use alot of bandwidth pay the extra, there is actually a reason for it.

I pay something like sixty euros a month for my internet and phone connection. I used 29.4 gb last month, i have a limit of 30 gb. After that i have to pay 1 cent per mb penalty. Which would work out pretty expensive.

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wow this could severely decrease the amount of DMCA letters i get from my isp about bit torrent

I have been looking for an ISP in Canada that doesn't have stupid bandwidth caps. If I would go with Bell, who controls all dsl here, the basic package has a cap of 2GB, and the highest package has a cap of 60GB. The highest I have seen is 100GB and that is on the most expensive cable connection. Not to mention throttling which will definitely slow down your high quality BitTorrent video. Of course there are some ISPs that still offer unlimited dsl but if you read the fine print there is usually something about fair use in there, and you still have to deal with the throttling.

The most expensive cable is 100 euros a month with NO DOWNLOAD LIMIT , which is a nice deal.

Unfortunately the top speed package from my isp is outside my financial possibilities. I don't have an option who I can use here. An associate has the top 10Mb package.. and he is lucky if he gets much more than my 2Mb on a day to day basis.. The system is overloaded locally.

And there is no problem at all running a small webserver on 30k up.. It's not like I'm trying to do stupid things like stream videos or anything. My site seems just as fast as afterdawn or any other hosted site I look at and the connection can handle 30 or 40 online active users before it starts to bog down... It just needs treating like sites were a few years ago.. not too many server hosted images..hotlinking works just fine...The server runs out of cpu cycles before the connection gets into trouble... You must remember.. Most cable providers have a "no websites" clause in their TOS.. so trying to compete with n00btube type pointless crap is a no-no.

Remember that still 70% of the worlds population only have access to 56k dialup (if they have any access at all) we shouldn't ever ever sit here complacently criticising people who don't happen to live in a big city with a fast ADSL connection.. When you have been around the internet since it's inception.. and on the bbs system before that you will know how good modern internet was a couple of years ago... before the ISP's turned into cable tv companies and started prioritising their traffic over everything else.. That's what capping is really about.. making space for the ISP's subscription media services.

Could be a very interesting development. While Hulu has caught on a bit, the YouTube brand could do a lot to popularize online movie streaming. I'd imagine Blockbuster and Hollywood Video will have something to say about this...

...with AT&T and others creating Bandwidth caps...WHY?

As others have said, Internet streaming video is pointless with bandwidth caps. And also, in places like Australia with low caps - 12-25GB a month - it's a joke.

James Delahunty!! Are you reading this!!

Wow, my "stupid" and "warrantless" suspicions and predictions about "YouTube: TIVO Yourself" which I made two years ago are now coming true. YouTube's goal from day one, or at least from day one of google buying them, was to phase out user generated content. Use it to get people here to watch sponsored content. Don't share revenue with the people who BUILT YouTube, share revenue with the people who are just arriving from the mainstream brick & mortar block and who haven't done a damn thing. Share the money with them and tell the independent video creator to go f himself.

I hope everyone's figured out by now that BetterStream.com is the only place for you individuals. It is the only place where the independent video creator and musician is promoted. And everyone shares in equal revenue. EVERYONE.