so she got arrested for lying to an office about texting. not texting persay.

Originally posted by atomicxl:

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The police report also notes that the girl continually denied that she even had a phone on her person when asked to stop texting in class.

The school then called the police authorities and the officer who responded questioned the girl and interviewed her friends. When the officer tried to contact the girl's parents, "She gave me several numbers all being false by one or two digits wrong. [Redacted] stated I was dialing the wrong numbers so On [sic] speaker phone I dialed the number she gave me and spoke with a subject who stated I had the wrong number."

The girl was the one being a (I don't know if we can curse) bad witch. Why are you guys on her side. I've read stuff where you guys say how out of wack the american educational system is, then an article like this comes out and all the sudden everyone supports unruly students and feels they should be allowed to disrupt everyone else who's trying to learn.

Pick a side and choose one.

#1 The girl could have not texted. I'm sure there are school rules against it.
#2 She could have put her phone on silent so that even if she was texting, the teacher would never know. Thats a no brainer.
#3 She could have given her phone to the teacher
#4 She could have told the truth about the phone.

She had all the chances, but she didn't use any of them. I say its her fault.

American schools are over crowded. Here you have a student who clearly doesn't want to learn, is disturbing others and causing a commotion and has better things to do with her time... why is she allowed to clog up the system? If they expelled all the students like this, the teacher:student ratio would become more reasonable and I think the quality of education received would increase.

Or if they brought back corporal punishment. Nobody likes a spanking, especially in front of your peers. I bet if there was the possibility of getting spanked, she would have kept her cell phone at home or on silent like a responsible student.

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She asked trouble and get it. Can only blame herself.

Hope someone learn something from this thing.

EDIT: My first thought after reading the news was: Is that teen a idiot?

The girl was just texting. Last time I checked, text messaging is a mostly silent activity and bothers no one but the person receiving the texts.

Disorderly conduct is an incredibly inappropriate charge.

Lying is not a criminal offence wtf is this all about!?

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Originally posted by tru23nyte:

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Lying is not a criminal offence wtf is this all about!?

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try lying to a judge in court - see how far you get in later arguing that it wasn't a criminal offence ;) I believe it's called perjury.
lying to a police officer is only one step down from that - it's called perverting the course of justice :)

both are criminal offences no matter what the crime - most famous recent case :-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/a...lice/article.do

frankly, if they didn't have this listed as a criminal offence - crime detection rates would decrease quite substantially methinks - and i'm not talking about online piracy ;)

there shouldn't have been a reason to call the police in the first place, this could have been resolved at the school with a call to the parent and some detention. let her clean the school campus a couple of times for detention and what not.

Originally posted by DXR88:

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there shouldn't have been a reason to call the police in the first place, this could have been resolved at the school with a call to the parent and some detention. let her clean the school campus a couple of times for detention and what not.

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I like how everyone is sticking up for this dumb shit! Any time you do anything in the middle of class that has no relavence to what is being taught, the teacher & school have the right to do what is neccessary, and they did. Simply put, you don't care about the class and don't wanna learn....drop out of school, end up on some street corner sellin yourself for $10 per hand job, and wonder if texting was really that much more important than learning.

I mean really, is texting during school really needed, would someone have died had she not been texting? Of course not, but she is probably the same type of dumb shit who is texting at other times she shouldn't that would actually kill someone...IE Driving a car! I know i'm not the only one who has seen that!!!!

Originally posted by Hyasuma:

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Er, this is totally stupid, what is wrong with text-ing in class? does it have anything to do with the teacher? give me a break, the girl don't want to know learn whatever you are teaching, then she don't want to learn, is her future not yours . this is totally retarded

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it is disruptive to the whole class and detracts from everyones learning experience. so,in fact,it is everyone in that classes future.if we had had cell phones when i was in school,the teacher would have likely warned her a few times,then crushed the f@@@@n thing under his or her heal.your use of the english language not only proves that you are on her side in this,but that you probably also text in school.learn something already.

Originally posted by Hyasuma:

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Er, this is totally stupid, what is wrong with text-ing in class? does it have anything to do with the teacher? give me a break, the girl don't want to know learn whatever you are teaching, then she don't want to learn, is her future not yours . this is totally retarded

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B.S! The bloody beeping bothers everyone near her. If she doesn't want to pay attention, quit. She's wasting everyone else's time anyways

Lying to a police officer, or anyone at all, for that matter, is in fact NOT a crime (I challenge anyone to find ONE statute otherwise in any municipality in the US or in Federal law), unless it is used to avoid punishment for another crime, or to allow said crime to be commited. Texting is not a crime, nor does it fall under "disorderly conduct" in any law, whether criminal or tort. Ergo, lying to a police officer about said texting is, in fact, perfectly legal.

I've asked 5 lawyers about this today, and all of them didn't believe me and had to look up the Yahoos - and I mean that in a very "Swiftian" way >.< - in Wisconsin themselves... The responses ranged from hilarity to stunned silence.

I agree, misbehavior of nearly any sort is disruptive in a classroom. I cannot count, however, the number of more disruptive, more damaging, and even outright illegal behaviors that I saw/see in schoolrooms every day. Theyleave texting far back, eating dust, in terms of obnoxiousness.


Edit--> How in the world would you know if the phone was beeping or not -.-' ? Just about all cell phones have a "Silent" mode, and/or you can generally specify just about any given sound (or lack of it) for most events in many phones' settings.

Starting off, this article states erroneously that she was arrested. The news article just stated she received a $289 citation and was suspended from school.

I am sure texting by itself would have been nothing. Sounds like the girl was being obnoxious to the teacher when asked to stop. In a California school with teens, the teacher would have just called campus security and they probably would have confiscated the phone/suspended the student. Could be this school had no on site security so the police were called instead. Someone with an ounce of brains would know that you need to be polite and respectful to a police officer at this point. You can be fined for just about anything at any time (I was once fined for wearing DJ type headphones around my neck while driving). You have the option to take it to a judge who can drop the fine, but that is up to their discretion. All told, the girl was probably trying to remain "hard" in front of her peers and I hope she has to pay the fine. Teachers have a hard enough time dealing with overcrowded class sizes and constant bureaucracy.

First, I live in Wisconsin so lets get one thing straight, we only cow tip in the summer when there is no snow. ;-) The snow not only makes it easier to track you but will slow your escape! No I do not know the student either.

I am from the era of students where cell phones only existed in KITT and still should not be allowed in the classroom! If you need to text do it between classes and during lunch! If something is that important excuse yourself from class and take care of it that or the school will find you and give you the info you need. That is how it worked back in the day with us.

I am not siding with the student but the police should have been kept out of it with the exception of the liaison officer that may have been at the school. We had one back in the 80's. these days some schools need their own swat team though.

Reading some of the messages posted on this board it became obvious that students should pay attention in class rather than texting. The spelling mistakes are shameful but not surprising. How did we ever survive without cell phones? Hey kids, wake up. The job market you'll be entering is incredibly tough. You'll need much more than texting savvy to get by.

Originally posted by sledge27:

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Reading some of the messages posted on this board it became obvious that students should pay attention in class rather than texting. The spelling mistakes are shameful but not surprising. How did we ever survive without cell phones? Hey kids, wake up. The job market you'll be entering is incredibly tough. You'll need much more than texting savvy to get by.

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I can spell just fine. My grammar could use some work. In a non formal blather bath who really cares.

Waht od yuo caer,Hwo ym splleing si?

DXR88:

Waht od yuo caer,Hwo ym splleing si?

Very clever, but I don't care. People who are more interested in texting than learning in the classroom will find out (too late) that they should have been more serious about school. While that's their problem, I would hate to see society having to support them while they keep looking for meaningful employment. Ya know?? As for having the little texter arrested... I can't imagine that being any more than a (cell phone-less) inconvenience. That said, I guess I would have to agree... what a waste of good police manpower.

Originally posted by DTN107:

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"Spare the rod, spoil the child"

It seems many of you guys are not aware how American's public school are going down the drain each new generation. I can bet if anyone here knew the girl personally would agree she needs a good smacking up the head.

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I agree 100% when I was in Catholic School many moons ago we had our mouths wahed out with soap for backtalking or lying to a teacher.One boy was forced to take a bite out of a cactus for multiple offences. It taught him a lesson though and he changed his ways. We were forced to kneel on Rice and strip searched if any kid was thought to be concealing contraband.I remember one boy in particular who made the mistake of hitting a teacher. When the priests were finished with him he was so black and blue he coulden't sit down for a week! It taught him the lesson he needed and believe it or not he turned out to be a fine young man albiet a strict disiplinarian. I say bring back corporal punishment and most if not all problems with school children will ceae nd desist.

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Originally posted by DTN107:

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"Spare the rod, spoil the child"

It seems many of you guys are not aware how American's public school are going down the drain each new generation. I can bet if anyone here knew the girl personally would agree she needs a good smacking up the head.

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I agree 100% when I was in Catholic School many moons ago we had our mouths wahed out with soap for backtalking or lying to a teacher.One boy was forced to take a bite out of a cactus for multiple offences. It taught him a lesson though and he changed his ways. We were forced to kneel on Rice and strip searched if any kid was thought to be concealing contraband.I remember one boy in particular who made the mistake of hitting a teacher. When the priests were finished with him he was so black and blue he coulden't sit down for a week! It taught him the lesson he needed and believe it or not he turned out to be a fine young man albiet a strict disiplinarian. I say bring back corporal punishment and most if not all problems with school children will ceae nd desist.

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or they bring a gun to school and start killing people.

To those who think calling the police was an over-reaction:
I'm sure this girl had a long history of problematic behavior, and the teachers didn't know what else to do, BUT call the police. Obviously, if the girl continuously lies about even having a cell phone when everyone in class knew she had it, she has a serious attitude problem. I doubt she would calmly walk to the principle's office if asked to leave the classroom. This is clearly a student with mental and behavioral instability.
It is very likely that the problems started at home. If the parent is paying the cell phone bill, as in most cases, then if their daughter is having difficulty managing the responsibility of owning the phone, a prudent parent would suspend that privilege.
DXR88 proves my point perfectly when he/she said the next step such neglected children take is to begin acting out violently, even to the extreme of bringing a gun to school and committing murder.
This was absolutely nothing to do with texting, it was everything to do with obedience. Children are to be obedient and respectful to their elders, or dire consequences occur. This is a lesson schools have difficulty teaching, because it is mostly out of their jurisdiction. It is a lesson which must begin at home. The consequences of which I speak are not limited to some kind of artificial reprimand upon the child. No no, they are much longer-term than that, as some comments have already alluded to.
To make myself clear, I don't think corporal punishment is the answer, at least it is certainly not a silver-bullet. This is a problem with the American family. And the problem with the American family derives from societal and moral decay, which is beyond the scope of this discussion.

..."Clearly a student with mental instability"? Because she texts in class? Excuse me? Because she - like just about every high-school student that has ever existed - has an "attitude problem"?

"I'm sure this girl had a long history of problematic behavior" my pasty pale heinie! No, you are not sure - you have no evidence at all - you're just assuming the worst of the girl to justify improper behavior on the part of the school.

Please tell us, if you would, where you get this sordid history of misbehavior, that isn't mentioned ANYwhere but your. -.-' . Similar assumptions color just about every similar post supporting the school's actions, if anyone else has noticed.

So,you on the other hand,have the moral and evidential high road?give your head a shake.This is in no way about texting in school,but rather about the rights of the other students to an education.She was disruptive and was dealt with.End of freaking story.

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Lying to a police officer, or anyone at all, for that matter, is in fact NOT a crime (I challenge anyone to find ONE statute otherwise in any municipality in the US or in Federal law), unless it is used to avoid punishment for another crime, or to allow said crime to be commited. Texting is not a crime, nor does it fall under "disorderly conduct" in any law, whether criminal or tort. Ergo, lying to a police officer about said texting is, in fact, perfectly legal.

I've asked 5 lawyers about this today, and all of them didn't believe me and had to look up the Yahoos - and I mean that in a very "Swiftian" way >.< - in Wisconsin themselves... The responses ranged from hilarity to stunned silence.

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I live in Wisconsin, and have a degree for criminal justice from here, lying to an officer IS a crime. Maybe not everywhere, but it is here...She was not punished for texting, but for the problems it caused when she was told to stop and the lying to the officer.

Yeesh.
I'm in school too. I would never, ever, text during class. It is EXTREMELY disrespectful to the teachers...and I'll be damned if it doesn't get annoying hearing "CLICKCLICKCLICKCLIIICK" and "SLAM" when they close their phone....over...and over...and over. It's hugely distracting to everyone around - or at least, it is to me. The professors hear it to, and it's hard for them to lecture when they keep hearing all that noise.
It's just so freaking disrespectful. Yeah, I like to text - it's handy - and I have unlimited texting. But when I hit class, my phone gets turned on silent and is not removed from my pocket till I'm out of the room. You can live without texting for 50 minutes...have some respect for others! Damn!

@bozobub

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like just about every high-school student that has ever existed - has an "attitude problem"

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I'm glad you agree with me. I too, am making this assumption. I assume she has an attitude problem, and that the teachers are at least somewhat qualified and competent. I assume their first reaction wasn't to call 911 at the first sight of a cell phone or sound of a child texting. Of course, you and I could be wrong, and there exists an insane place somewhere in Wisconsin where children are angels and both teachers and police officers have no idea how to perform their duties.

But, to answer your question, enough "history" is laid forth in the article to extrapolate such a pattern. Such words and phrases used in the article are: "repeatedly" "continually denied" "several numbers all being false" "stuffed down the back of pants"
Or maybe she was just having a really bad day? Normally, she would do nothing of the sort.

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Originally posted by tru23nyte:

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Lying is not a criminal offence wtf is this all about!?

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try lying to a judge in court - see how far you get in later arguing that it wasn't a criminal offence ;) I believe it's called perjury.
lying to a police officer is only one step down from that - it's called perverting the course of justice :)

both are criminal offences no matter what the crime - most famous recent case :-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/a...lice/article.do
frankly, if they didn't have this listed as a criminal offence - crime detection rates would decrease quite substantially methinks - and i'm not talking about online piracy ;)

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Hey buddie i got no problem with you Brits but shut the f--- up! You guys dont fight for your rights but over here in the land of "Don't Tread On Me!" we have a sense of duty to fight for our rights. Apparently you werent paying attention in school cuz your little argument in support of this lunacy quotes a British law & this happened in Wisconson USA!!!! it doesnt matter whether or not she deserved what she got cuz her rights were violated. Besides any "punishment or intervention" starts with school and ends with family. Corporal punishment might set her straight, sure but its besides the point. The point is that "law enforcement" had/ has no law to enforce. get over it.

I'm glad you agree with me. I too, am making this assumption. I assume she has an attitude problem, and that the teachers are at least somewhat qualified and competent. I assume their first reaction wasn't to call 911 at the first sight of a cell phone or sound of a child texting. Of course, you and I could be wrong, and there exists an insane place somewhere in Wisconsin where children are angels and both teachers and police officers have no idea how to perform their duties.

But, to answer your question, enough "history" is laid forth in the article to extrapolate such a pattern. Such words and phrases used in the article are: "repeatedly" "continually denied" "several numbers all being false" "stuffed down the back of pants"
Or maybe she was just having a really bad day? Normally, she would do nothing of the sort.

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That's no "history", that's simply what happened during that incident. I say again: there's nowhere near enough information to make the statement that she had any "history" of misbehavior.

This is all moot. It is NOT against the law to text in school; in fact, school regulations of any sort are, in fact, NOT LAW, unless explicitly writtent into the law at some point. You won't be able to find any provision about texting in class in any state in the US. If you violate school regulations, the school *does* have the right to have you removed, but that's it.

I also strongly disagree with stripsearching students looking for ibuprofen... When are parents going to stop expecting/allowing the schools to do the parents' job?!

It has been established in case law for a long time (at the federal level, so it supersedes state laws as well - this has been to the Supreme Court as well) that lying to an officer of the law is only a crime IF it is done to avoid punishment for a crime that has been - or is about to be - committed, whether for oneself or another. In other words, it's only illegal if you are "lying during an investigation". Thing is, for a legal investigation to be in force, A CRIME MUST BE COMMITTED (or must be just about to happen). Can anyone point out the original "crime" here?

The cop had a right to be there, but only to remove the student. Until state and federal laws define cellular phones as illegal contraband, there's absolutely no excuse for this crap. This is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment, which, by the way, applies to the states via the Fourteenth Amendment.

The article says the crime was disorderly conduct. That seems to be accurate to me. Let's face it, in a teacher's classroom, the teacher runs the show. It's their way or the highway. In this case, the girl chose the highway.

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When are parents going to stop expecting/allowing the schools to do the parents' job?!

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At least we agree on that.