Originally posted by DXR88:

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I mean come on like DX88 said if they put 5$ or 8$ more into it with a fan the damn thing would never fail in anything but 90+ degree weather!!

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to MS Yes.

if the consumer wanted to do it himself your looking 39.99 could be more could be less.

components you would need

A +/- powered fan 20cfm or higher
A low power soldering Iron + lead solder(silver bead will work as well)
/you could stop here
Some copper heat pipes about 3 feet in length
a low profile heat sink like those used on NorthBridge Chipsets.
a drill or a hole puncher


and one unit of crappy diagram.

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And the trouble with that is voiding the warranty if I get a 360 another 60$ is going into a nice long extended warranty for it because I fear no matter what one dose it will still bake itself it its own oven.

question has anyone made a premodded fan case for the 360?

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dammit.. just looked at the clock.. 19.39 .. better slick down my hair and stick my Charlie Chaplin tash on.. Time to invade Poland XD

If you guys check out llammas forums about 2 1/2 years ago you will see a very successful liquid cooling mod.. hunt out tim-x-irish on this site.. I believe he made site admin there a while ago. Hasn't been on im for an age.. but I do have an email.. we are still friends.. as is TheWulff.. can always get those guys there through me XD

19.42.. winter in Russia.. now why exactly did we decide to go East???

yeah.. being strange.. it's my 19tyh wedding anniversary in 2 days.. on the 21st anniversary of the launch of Apollo 11 .. 40 years this year.

good luck Mr Gorsky XD

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Originally posted by Oner:

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So let me get this straight. Person A gives links, proof, and valid documentation and is "wrong" but Person B who gives ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to support their "facts" is "right" and is supposed to somehow be taken seriously?...That sure isn't the way I see it, and to top it all off what I don't get is how you have the time to post 6 replies and track this thread over the course of 3 days but yet you

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do not have enough time to scour the internet to find links to prove my point to narrow minded "fanboys"

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So explain to me how is anyone supposed to take you seriously with such contradiction? Because it sure as hell doesn't make any sense...


Edit: Oh forgot to add that Zippy, Jemborg, DXR88 & Varnull (plus a couple others) have been here for quite some time and DO know what they are talking about (quite well if you ask just about ANYONE here on aD) and should be taken pretty seriously because they actually give supporting PROOF with their comments to uphold their views & points.

Give me proof over conjecture any day, any time.

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When did I ever say Zippy was wrong when he wasn't??? I only said he was wrong about the 60% failure rate (which is wrong). Btw Oner, I do not care if you don't take me seriously, I really don't, get over yourself.

I have time to do things I enjoy doing, but proving points to ps3 "fanboys" is not one of them.

Edit: Oh I forgot to add I've been here for quite some time and DO know what I'm talking about (quite well if you ask ANYONE on xbox 360 general discussion). I've modified/fixed over 20 xbox 360's, I know what I'm talking about.

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Once again, you have the time to talk BS in reply but not the time to actually PROVE your "facts"...The more you talk, the more you solidify my point.

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classic comedy here :)

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I just call it how I see it ;)

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the best comedy is based on the truth xD

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oner you shouldve just replied with this pic




lol. jk

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Originally posted by H08:

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oner you shouldve just replied with this pic




lol. jk

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It also makes more sense than zippy half the time >>

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What's really funny is I actually agree...damned Zippy speak is worse than 1337 sPeAk at times! ;)

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do not ask creaky how i speak, hed go on about it for days! i even got perma banned for it lol

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Once again, you have the time to talk BS in reply but not the time to actually PROVE your "facts"...The more you talk, the more you solidify my point.

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Lol, really, did you even read what you wrote before you posted? You do not have the right to say what I have to do with my time. You are the one talking "BS". I proved your "point" wrong, you need to have a point before you can "solidify" it. I do not have to prove myself to you.

@ Zippy, you can get talismoon whisper max fans for $30 that require no soldering and do not void your warranty. They're really easy to install aswell.

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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You can give it but you can't take it. Zippy was calling the xbox 360 an "easy brake oven" a long time before i posted that pic, i did not start anything.

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Originally posted by kushner:

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You can give it but you can't take it. Zippy was calling the xbox 360 an "easy brake oven" a long time before i posted that pic, i did not start anything.

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Well its hard to deny that it has had a ridiculous amount of issues surrounding heat dispensation, and is the best nickname for it other than fail60 witch rolls off the toung rather nicely too.

These terms it earned with its sloppy build.

The PS3 grill is cute but more of a rant than a earned title.

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its jsut to widely reported.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Heres another article that talks about Dean Takahashi’s and the 360 some.

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/09/06/in-de...re-rate-was-68/


In the end modders and geeks have torn it down and done dozens of their own studies, its true the 360 poorly design for heat dispensation, just as a few revisions of the PS2 had bad lens units.

Can we now move onto less factual argument to fuss over, like the 360's issues with game variety?
:P

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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It's a bit hard to memorise an entire url. Btw, I said the xbox 360 had a 30% failure rate at release, you are just contradicting you 60% failure rate remark.

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Sigh.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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It's a bit hard to memorise an entire url. Btw, I said the xbox 360 had a 30% failure rate at release, you are just contradicting you 60% failure rate remark.

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*yawns* thats wut R bookmarks iz for.

The 60% remark is based on the PRODUCTION LINE issues combined with off the self issues.

Unless they had a full 60% fail rate(gaaa been up all night I'll see if I can run down where in my arse that number came from,most likely its a combination of stuff) on the line where then they patched them got them working and then sold them....which could explain alot of things really..............

*yawns* I think you don't disagree with the 30%(all time high) fail rate number as much as the slightly ridiculous 60% right?
I do not claim that number to be off the self I do claim it as either whole or part of production and or off the shelf issues.

Production generally weeds out bad units the 360 had a high rate of them now I'll have to see if I can find what lead me to the 60% number I am sure it was a mix of things but fuzzy bwains seems to haz forgotten >> and I need sleep, I wrote all this together at once(and these lines last) so forgive the incoherence...I take nap now K bubye =X.X=
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Ok I did it for you
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/12...-percent-report

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Gaming site 1UP.com got its hands on a survey from SquareTrade, a firm that sells warranties for various consumer electronics. The company recent took a thousand claims it received and compiled statistics about relative gaming console failure rates. The results? The PlayStation 3 and the Wii both clocked in with failure rates of three percent, pretty standard when it comes to the average gadget. The Xbox 360, however, racked up a failure rate of 16.4 percent, according to SquareTrade, with 60 percent of those failures due to the dreaded Red Ring of Death.

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Which basically means, of what square trade covers they report a fail rate of 16% of which 60% accounts for the RROD.

Oh wait....... what its a is a statical study of 1000 people who bothered to fill out the form they were sent....

This basically means by then end of 07 the 360 may have had a fail rate around 16%, it also means out of the 30 million or so 360 users they hit a sweet spot in the 70%/30% working/nonworking statistic.

If you side with caution or reason there is really is nothing holding you back by saying that the fail rate can easily be above 15% even double it for older units possibly those made in and before 06-07 and the newer the units mid/late 07 to now will have a fail rate as high as 16%.

It really dose nothing to paint the 360/MS in a better light......... its still 5 or 6 times the normal fail rate for such devices....

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

Quote:

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Sigh.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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It's a bit hard to memorise an entire url. Btw, I said the xbox 360 had a 30% failure rate at release, you are just contradicting you 60% failure rate remark.

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*yawns* thats wut R bookmarks iz for.

The 60% remark is based on the PRODUCTION LINE issues combined with off the self issues.

Unless they had a full 60% fail rate(gaaa been up all night I'll see if I can run down where in my arse that number came from,most likely its a combination of stuff) on the line where then they patched them got them working and then sold them....which could explain alot of things really..............

*yawns* I think you don't disagree with the 30%(all time high) fail rate number as much as the slightly ridiculous 60% right?
I do not claim that number to be off the self I do claim it as either whole or part of production and or off the shelf issues.

Production generally weeds out bad units the 360 had a high rate of them now I'll have to see if I can find what lead me to the 60% number I am sure it was a mix of things but fuzzy bwains seems to haz forgotten >> and I need sleep, I wrote all this together at once(and these lines last) so forgive the incoherence...I take nap now K bubye =X.X=
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Ok I did it for you
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/12...-percent-report

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Gaming site 1UP.com got its hands on a survey from SquareTrade, a firm that sells warranties for various consumer electronics. The company recent took a thousand claims it received and compiled statistics about relative gaming console failure rates. The results? The PlayStation 3 and the Wii both clocked in with failure rates of three percent, pretty standard when it comes to the average gadget. The Xbox 360, however, racked up a failure rate of 16.4 percent, according to SquareTrade, with 60 percent of those failures due to the dreaded Red Ring of Death.

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Which basically means, of what square trade covers they report a fail rate of 16% of which 60% accounts for the RROD.

Oh wait....... what its a is a statical study of 1000 people who bothered to fill out the form they were sent....

This basically means by then end of 07 the 360 may have had a fail rate around 16%, it also means out of the 30 million or so 360 users they hit a sweet spot in the 70%/30% working/nonworking statistic.

If you side with caution or reason there is really is nothing holding you back by saying that the fail rate can easily be above 15% even double it for older units possibly those made in and before 06-07 and the newer the units mid/late 07 to now will have a fail rate as high as 16%.

It really dose nothing to paint the 360/MS in a better light......... its still 5 or 6 times the normal fail rate for such devices....

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Lol, so you were addding the failure rate from the production line with the failure rate off the shelf? What if some consoles failed on both the production line and off the shelf. Let's just say the xbox 360 use to have a high failure rate, which has been fixed now (to some extent).

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

Quote:

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Sigh.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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It's a bit hard to memorise an entire url. Btw, I said the xbox 360 had a 30% failure rate at release, you are just contradicting you 60% failure rate remark.

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*yawns* thats wut R bookmarks iz for.

The 60% remark is based on the PRODUCTION LINE issues combined with off the self issues.

Unless they had a full 60% fail rate(gaaa been up all night I'll see if I can run down where in my arse that number came from,most likely its a combination of stuff) on the line where then they patched them got them working and then sold them....which could explain alot of things really..............

*yawns* I think you don't disagree with the 30%(all time high) fail rate number as much as the slightly ridiculous 60% right?
I do not claim that number to be off the self I do claim it as either whole or part of production and or off the shelf issues.

Production generally weeds out bad units the 360 had a high rate of them now I'll have to see if I can find what lead me to the 60% number I am sure it was a mix of things but fuzzy bwains seems to haz forgotten >> and I need sleep, I wrote all this together at once(and these lines last) so forgive the incoherence...I take nap now K bubye =X.X=
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Ok I did it for you
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/12...-percent-report

Quote:

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Gaming site 1UP.com got its hands on a survey from SquareTrade, a firm that sells warranties for various consumer electronics. The company recent took a thousand claims it received and compiled statistics about relative gaming console failure rates. The results? The PlayStation 3 and the Wii both clocked in with failure rates of three percent, pretty standard when it comes to the average gadget. The Xbox 360, however, racked up a failure rate of 16.4 percent, according to SquareTrade, with 60 percent of those failures due to the dreaded Red Ring of Death.

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Which basically means, of what square trade covers they report a fail rate of 16% of which 60% accounts for the RROD.

Oh wait....... what its a is a statical study of 1000 people who bothered to fill out the form they were sent....

This basically means by then end of 07 the 360 may have had a fail rate around 16%, it also means out of the 30 million or so 360 users they hit a sweet spot in the 70%/30% working/nonworking statistic.

If you side with caution or reason there is really is nothing holding you back by saying that the fail rate can easily be above 15% even double it for older units possibly those made in and before 06-07 and the newer the units mid/late 07 to now will have a fail rate as high as 16%.

It really dose nothing to paint the 360/MS in a better light......... its still 5 or 6 times the normal fail rate for such devices....

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Lol, so you were addding the failure rate from the production line with the failure rate off the shelf? What if some consoles failed on both the production line and off the shelf. Let's just say the xbox 360 use to have a high failure rate, which has been fixed now (to some extent).

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I believe so, mind you I do not think the high production line fail rate, either it being 30% or 60% lasted long(and yes I haz 10 links and 20 odd pages to read through so I haz not found the solid basis for my pew..er..60% opinion :P), maxium 2 years more likely a year and some months and got the manufacturing troubles dealt with only to still have issues remaining from the design itself.


I think the 360 was plagued with issues, a poor design, poor manufacturing/build in its first 2ish or less years.

They fixed the build issues rather quickly but the design issues remain present to this day, altho because of the new chips its halved .

I really think they blamed the bad build for everything and put off or ignored issues with design until it was to late to really do anything. MS should bone up and do the 360 like a hard drive warranty.... 3 years parts and labor, fixed units have either 3 years from date of repair or from time of purchase of the original unit. Hell offer a exstend warranty for 50$ that ups the current 3y frist/90D on repaired setup to 3/3 with a 25$ deductible to re up the warranty to a full 3 years.

It would be nice if they did a bit more... then again putting a better heatsink/fan in it could fix everything....

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

Quote:

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Sigh.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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It's a bit hard to memorise an entire url. Btw, I said the xbox 360 had a 30% failure rate at release, you are just contradicting you 60% failure rate remark.

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*yawns* thats wut R bookmarks iz for.

The 60% remark is based on the PRODUCTION LINE issues combined with off the self issues.

Unless they had a full 60% fail rate(gaaa been up all night I'll see if I can run down where in my arse that number came from,most likely its a combination of stuff) on the line where then they patched them got them working and then sold them....which could explain alot of things really..............

*yawns* I think you don't disagree with the 30%(all time high) fail rate number as much as the slightly ridiculous 60% right?
I do not claim that number to be off the self I do claim it as either whole or part of production and or off the shelf issues.

Production generally weeds out bad units the 360 had a high rate of them now I'll have to see if I can find what lead me to the 60% number I am sure it was a mix of things but fuzzy bwains seems to haz forgotten >> and I need sleep, I wrote all this together at once(and these lines last) so forgive the incoherence...I take nap now K bubye =X.X=
==================
Ok I did it for you
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/12...-percent-report

Quote:

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Gaming site 1UP.com got its hands on a survey from SquareTrade, a firm that sells warranties for various consumer electronics. The company recent took a thousand claims it received and compiled statistics about relative gaming console failure rates. The results? The PlayStation 3 and the Wii both clocked in with failure rates of three percent, pretty standard when it comes to the average gadget. The Xbox 360, however, racked up a failure rate of 16.4 percent, according to SquareTrade, with 60 percent of those failures due to the dreaded Red Ring of Death.

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Which basically means, of what square trade covers they report a fail rate of 16% of which 60% accounts for the RROD.

Oh wait....... what its a is a statical study of 1000 people who bothered to fill out the form they were sent....

This basically means by then end of 07 the 360 may have had a fail rate around 16%, it also means out of the 30 million or so 360 users they hit a sweet spot in the 70%/30% working/nonworking statistic.

If you side with caution or reason there is really is nothing holding you back by saying that the fail rate can easily be above 15% even double it for older units possibly those made in and before 06-07 and the newer the units mid/late 07 to now will have a fail rate as high as 16%.

It really dose nothing to paint the 360/MS in a better light......... its still 5 or 6 times the normal fail rate for such devices....

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Lol, so you were addding the failure rate from the production line with the failure rate off the shelf? What if some consoles failed on both the production line and off the shelf. Let's just say the xbox 360 use to have a high failure rate, which has been fixed now (to some extent).

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FFS people, shorten your quotes!!!! ;)

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Originally posted by rvinkebob:

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FFS people, shorten your quotes!!!! ;)

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the system should only quote the last quote to keep things organized...it also should edit the last post and add to it for double posting.


:P

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