go on kazaa and look for dvd(9) firmware hacks!

Sorry if you thought i got snippy. I did not mean to rag you. i stand corrected. So long, i can see the heads (as in egotistical) are too big for me here. pcshateme, you need to chill man. There's a big web out there and this "newbie" says so long.

dont be like that :(

I heard they are making 17gig discs but that is only what I heard the limit is up to now they won't release the burners until they want to meaning testing if it will be dependable.If they want to they will make a firmware for it but I highly doubt it since everyone that makes burners are out to make money so in the long run they are just gonna screw everyone over and make them buy a new drive.I agree with everyone else though if it can be done by hacking it I am 100% supporting it if it can't oh well I guess I am gonna have to sell out and pay for the burner.

Its looking promising after Pioneer did the balls-up and did a demo of dual layer with a firmware modified Pioneer DVR106d. Looks like the industry can rip us off and sell new drives. Ha Ha - good old Pioneer.

Also, Ritek expect the ETA of the dual layer +R discs to be available in the summer. I'll update when i hear anything.
Chris

no the 17 gig disks were for the blu-ray burner not the DVD-9 burner

Nah I didn't mean it like that I meant the highest they have out is 17gig that I know of.If anything yeah dvd9 burners are coming out no matter what.I went and read up about Hp and alot of others encluding Pioneer making dvd9 burners.If the 17gig burner is possible then why not buy a burner that will let you keep upgrading to a higher size limit.That would be tight right but that will probably never happen unless you are rich and can buy a press machine right.

Im just wondering how much the media is going to cost!
I would guess $3 or more a disk. Wanna start a pool?

well only name brands will sell em at first so i guess like $5 each.

also the 17GB is for a DUAL SIDED DUAL LAYER DVD+R (that can have 2 dual layer sides per disc)

bluray holds 27GB

so when is the blu-ray coming out?

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not for joe shmo for like 5 years cause its only experimental for rich companies now- its not actualy in mass production yet

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With my desire to convert a number of VHS home movies I am getting closer to understanding what hardware I need but I do not understand how or if I can get two full hours on a DVD with out flipping and by using standard consumer DVD burner with out sacrificing quality? Are DVD movies written on multilayered or maybe a compression other than MPEG2.

production dvds are on dual layer dvds
dvd-rs are only single layered (layers meaning chemical not actualy 2 physical layers)

also dvds use mpeg 2 (and blue ray will not be used a dvd replacement anytime soon- they are working on making mpeg4 dvds that can hold more video than standard dvd in normal quality or the same amount of time in high def- they think they can do it wiht only a smple firmware update dvd for your player!)

and if you are looking for a high quality way to convert VHS to DVD you can by a standard DVD+RW dvd burner (like a vcr only on dvds) for only $333 at walmart.com- dont bother using your computer cause it takes forever and looks worse than the origional no matter how good your pc is

I hope that I am wrong, but I read an article that was copied and pasted on cd freaks about 2 months ago about the dual layered DVD. A person from phillips said that a firmware update could work. He went on to say that the lasers in the burners right now may not be powerful enough to burn the dual layered DVD. He also said the cost of them would probably be double the cost of the single layered. Just the messenger dont shoot me.

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so when is the blu-ray coming out?

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Blu Ray has been out in Asia for over a year. You can purchase one, but they cost around $2000 for a system and media will be hard to come by.

Dual layered discs should be able to be burnt using the original drives. Philips announced on their website that their later models will work with firmware up-dates to burn the media at 2.4x. Pioneer have actually already demostrated it works with existing drives...

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i hope my old drive is upgradeable- (ikebana justlink 2.4 +RW drive- realy cheap no name brand but the company is owned by the big company richo) but if not i guess i'll just have to shell out $200 for another cheap one. :) anyway is there any reason why only +RW can be upgraded? i heard that so far there is no concievable way to make dual layer -rs (but then again oriphus proved me wrong about blu ray.) is this because +r is chemicaly different than -r (or something?)

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Actually, it has less to do with the dyes and more to do with the way in which the data is held on the disc. I have no idea if DVD-R is to become a dual layer format, my presumption is that it will ne since it is still fully supported by the DVD Forum.

The technology behind +R/RW is slightly more advanced than that of DVD-R. With the +RW discs, a future aspect of them will be Mount Rainier (MRW+) which will allow user to literally drag and drop data on to the discs.

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sweet!

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nice so my memorex or should i say pioneer drive will be firmwire updateable to dvd9!!

The truth is, we dont know for sure. No one does until one of the big companies states it. Philips have already said their drives that are +/- will be updateable to burn at 2.4x, Pioneer have showcased a 106 doing it, so outside that i havent got an idea which will and wont.

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Why does VHS suck? Because a/it's barely 420 lines of resolution, b/it's analog. DVD sucks by the way, too. Nothing compares to nice, raw, HDTV.

And why is a Jap kilo different from American kilo? -It's not! 1 byte is 8 Bits, a 1024 bytes is a kilobyte, 1024 kb is a megabyte (1048576 bytes), 1024 megabytes is a gigabyte (1073741824 bytes, 1048576 kilobytes), etc. Did someone fail Digital Systems 101?

Not sure where those questions came from?

I prefer HDTV and im eagerly looking forward to HD DVD to supplement this. However, at the minute, using a Marantz Progressive scanning system im utilising HDTV 720p and 1080i, though i prefer 720p. It gives a very ood definition picture.

VHS is pretty useless in terms of quality, but for the average joe bloggs recording stuff from their TV, it works and works well. It is hard to teach old dogs new tricks, so our newer generation will inevitably be more comfortable with format changing.

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the problem is it that when dvd recorders are as common as vhs- HD DVD or bluray will have taken over

Exactly, the format wars will continue and technology will always be updated...

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i just hope that bluray players will be dual laser and play the old DVD- cause it would piss me (and everyone else) off if our HUGE DVD collections were no longer playable.

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I think the likelyhood is that they will add in support for Red Laser, it cant be that expensive and would be stupid if they didnt.

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